oil burner keeps tripping out on safety at night

[@kenstepnowski9004]

Watching you work is better than watching TV have learned so much from you and saved tons on service calls keep up the Great Work You ROCK just replaced everything on my 1956 Weil Mclain boiler and she runs better than ever and uses alot less oil now,Come on Mama , You The MAN !!!

[@loraljohnson]

If you see what he did at 2:57, I noticed him doing this in a couple other videos. I just fixed my problem because I figured out why he did this. I had a carbon (soot) buildup where the nozzle shoots fuel into the firebox on my hot air furnace. I had just had a service on my furnace because it would run about 20 seconds and kick off. The service company blamed everything but what they were doing. The replaced the nozzle, the CAD, etc. but they were blaming my chimney when they couldn't fix it. That's when I realized, he's knocking out any buildup where the igniters and nozzle go. In my case, the CAD could not "see" flame, and was kicking off. I just knocked a screwdriver in the cavity and the buildup was gone, and my furnace works great. Just so you know why he's doing that in his videos.

[@donlane2610]

I appreciate this bit of info and will try it out myself later!

[@loraljohnson]

@@donlane2610 just so you know, my furnace is still working great. When I pulled my burner unit out. There was a build up all around the round area. Since it was dark and the soot buildup was black, you didn't notice. I thought to myself, "the only thing I haven't tried is rattling a screwdriver around the opening like that guy does". Now I know why. The buildup was right in front of the CAD unit and couldn't see flame, and dud what it was supposed to, shut down. Good luck

[@pdqresearch]

You saved my family a lot of money. I do the basic maintenance on my Weil- McLain boiler. This week I changed the nozzle, pump screen and oil filter, plus replaced the pressure regulator and air eliminator (both rusty). After this the burner would not start...couldn't find the problem. Watched a lot of your videos and some others...tried a few things, but no power. I called a local company to fix it. For an $80 service call fee, he diagnosed the problem as the Cad cell relay ignition box, and wanted $941 to make the repair. I said no...went to the local supply house and bought one for $50, put it in, and still no power. I went back to the videos and I kept noticing in some of yours the T-T loop (my old box didn't have T-T connectors)...I tried it and the burner works great. Thanks for your videos.

[@stevevinas]

How did he test that to find out? I just bought a new one last year and now i think its broken again because its doing the same thing

[@bradford216]

Good job Steve. Sometimes you have an ass kicker of job, especially when it's electrical. I had a bad protector relay on one of my furnaces a few years back, kept tripping out at night and then happened more often, during the day a few times too. Sucked going out to a cold shop. Changed it out and problem went away.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+Gary B it could be anything . sometimes its a shot in the dark to find problem

[@Ricky-zj6sy]

I am a tech here in the UK and watch your videos quite often, I find the control of those Beckett burners strange. Our burners have very specific steps in the ignition sequence, when first powered they run only the fan for around 10 seconds to purge the boiler and remove potential fumes (negating an explosion from occurring), then they open the oil solenoid and at the same time the HT igniter is operated for around 10 seconds and the photocell is bypassed, when the igniter is turned off the photocell is brought into the scene and must see light to keep the burner firing, should the photocell see dark or fail then the control box will shut everything off and turn on the lock-out light which requires human intervention to resume operation.

[@picklerix6162]

The motor finally failed. Good catch. I hate those intermittent failures. It took me a couple days to find an intermittent furnace door safety switch. It would only fail after a couple hours running while I was at work.

[@Fireship1]

Nice work Steve. Intermittent problems are the WORST on any kind of equipment. Everything always seems to work great right when your staring at it! I'd rather walk in to a completely dead system..., easy as pie! Lol.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+Fireship1 yes i get one bad one like this a year ,could be anything .could drive you nuts

[@randykocian4738]

There's no easy answer here. Great video. We all run into a stumper once in a while. You worked the problem and it paid off. Baby the fashionable orange coat Florida dog.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+Randy Kocian the dog is getting use to the snow

[@phillipjoy8191]

I know what you mean they can be a pain in the butt.I am glad we don't see many here in South Carolina. Thanks for the video

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+Phillip Joy oil burners can be a pain every now and then

[@mathewbetcher9663]

+1, reset problem we call this. Always on a call if the problem doesn't show it self to me right away I turn the burner on/off with the aquastat, over and over, sometimes 20 times or so. Until I'm satisfied the motors starting switch is good and the relay is good as well. Also this would never be the case had that been a riello!

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+M Bet for the most part i have good luck with beckett but there is that one time maybe one a year that can be a problem .trips out once a week when your not there .

[@CCROSS5882]

I like watching somebody that knows what they are doing!

[@justinlombard8676]

Who do you watch?

[@dklucas1]

Great job as always Steve wow alot of stuff went bad on that boiler you are good at what you do and i enjoy watching your videos

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+dklucas1 this one has been a problem

[@vinnyblueflame9191]

Hey steve. Nice video. I'm on Long Island and have been at it for 24 yrs. not shore if you blew back fuel line,if it's rest cited the oil will cavitate. Foam up inside pump. I cause that air in pump. And will go off on safety.but when you started it and it just buzzed That was a dead spot in the motor. When that happens I ck orange from 8184g to look for 120 if you have 120 then it's bad motor. So think you got it. Also while burner is running you can ck ohms on the F F. terminal on 8184g relay. I like to see under 800 ohms. Let's me know the cad cell is seeing flame properly. Nice job keepem coming.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+vinny Blue Flame thanks for the comment

[@mikemalone6103]

I was thinking the same thing, see the 120 before condemning the motor. That flexible coupler looked nasty too,. Shotgun method is ok unless you have to return again, then they loose confidence. It didn't fail till the relay was banged around a bit. I think that helped reveal the real problem. And hey, spring for a new gauge! 😄 We all get Hesse, it depends on the understanding of the customer. Mike A tech instructor I met that uses a Testo and computer to adjust his settings told me the O2 was more critical than the co2. Shoot for 5.5

[@DanielRivera-sn7is]

Great Job Steve Ive had this issue myself motor had a dead spot its like Russian Roulette, I have a lot of experience with oil burners not an easy fix, Do the Little Doggie Dance!

[@couldnotcareless1929]

Baby dog is stylin! Hi Steve! Steve is working again mama, great job. Have a good night.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+Shooting Stars thanks friend

[@couldnotcareless1929]

you are welcome :)

[@couldnotcareless1929]

you are welcome :)

[@davntelisha19]

Mines keeps doing the same thing Steve i change the primary control i chang the electrodes new tip a good cleaning and from time to time it trips but it only trips when its trying to restart again once its starts it will run fine only when it trys to start it will trip seems like the igniter is intermittent i dont no i did the spart test seems like a decent spark im clueless I just order the suntec filter and gasket and I also bought a psi gauge tester to see if its at a 100 psi or something

[@njdevfan20]

I like the reindeer coat. She looks so happy.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+asdfjkdjsalkfj she has a good life with me

[@marcelinohernandez6492]

Good job Steve. I watch your videos and learn a lot so thanks so much body.

[@seanrebelo7765]

Gotta love those "part time" problem jobs nothing like hunting for problems and finding more

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+Sean Rebelo sometimes its not easy

[@nicholasgeremino8442]

How are you Steven, Merry Christmas to you & Family I wanted to ask do you travel to Dutchess County NY to service Boilers I live in Hopewell Jct NY

[@Berzerk29]

Baby the Dog. Proud Master HVAC technician. Nice video Steve.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+Berzerk29 she is in training

[@Berzerk29]

+steven lavimoniere Baby the Dog. Proud apprentice HVAC technician

[@mcw089]

You really should clear a spot out, that squat gotta be a real eye opener. Keep on rockin!!

[@1988MowerMan]

That was a tough one to fix. I hope you got the problem solved now.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+1988MowerMan yea it was a tough one

[@kevinmyers5938]

I get a chuckle out of the mornings& little doggy.

[@roadkingrich1]

Great videos, Steve! Merry Christmas to you and your dog! Thank you for helping me out.

[@danr.graham9331]

The hard part while working on the Becky is stooping for an extended time without using a small bench. The next day the back reminds me of the stress I put on it the previous day. Our Becky is 22 years old - I change the nozzle and filter and clean the electrodes and say a little prayer. Sure enjoy your informative videos. PS: Wish the fire box was insulated with thin bricks instead of that fluffy compound that falls into the path of the flame causing starting issues when it starts burning.

[@chenchen2895]

You are the best steven. We love you.👍👍👍😜

[@stf2400]

You can keep that snow, I don't want it, lol. Sadly we are expecting 2-7 inches on Sunday.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+Rick Karns snow is part of life up in the northeast

[@markreid6216]

Great video. What happens if the pump doesn't hold pressure once the burning is turned off??

[@loneranger482002]

Steve? i check the ohms on the Motor anything over 3.2 = Flat Spot works for me every time, an old timer showed me this trick like 10 yrs ago its worked great for me just thought i share it with ya? Happy New Year! been a fan for like 7 yrs from Lowell Area

[@lh98]

@loneranger482002 anything over 3.2 ohms is a flat spot? That’s odd because I have a motor the finally stopped and I whacked it and it started again and it was reading 3.5 but I decided to ohm test the new motor and it was like 5.4-6 so how can it be anything over 3.2?

[@billfausel2321]

thanks for your videos steve I'm a oil tech also. learn alot from you

[@marklengal9990]

Steve. I’m have the same issue with Becker AFll 100. Start up clean. Runs for a few minutes them the fire sound erratic and shut off. I’ve had time where it runs for a month, week then some times just a few minutes. Can’t figure it out

[@dburto13]

Nice work Steve, I see she is acclimating to snow...LOL.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+Don Burton she is getting use to snow

[@Bridgetothetruth]

Nice Video. I really appreciate your efforts. I think, it was not the motor. Motor does not have any feedback system (in this case). It is connected through a relay switch, which means worse case scenario it would stay off so will the transformer and the valve since they are all connected though a single relay with no feedback(one and the only feed back this system has is a cad switch). Best guess that was just low operating voltage (input) at the relay switch.

[@dennis-sj6im]

should make it through the night now ... nice repair Steve

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+dennis postek lol lets hope

[@Pyridox]

Those intermittent problems are the worst. I have had those many times, and tough to diagnose.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+Pete Ciallella i get one or 2 like this a year . could drive you nuts

[@arniegrote319]

I think you got it Steve, I had a bad cad cell, That would work for a day or two, and then trip out. Took me three trips to find it.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+Arnie Grote on a problem like this it could be anything runs great for a week or so then trips out at night when your not there then when you reset it it come on like nothing is wrong

[@christopherhartin7981]

Out of curiosity why don't you habitually check cad cell readings when doing trouble calls? I've encountered many weak or bad cad cells causing what I refer to as nuisance lockouts. Not a slam just a curiosity. Enjoy the videos!

[@danthesupercontractorhvac9690]

That buzzer gave me a good jump

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+Daniel Grenon lol sorry drier i believe

[@tptm100]

what does a combustion test cost about in the North East, I have no smoke, also a good flame right now but I want to fine tune the ole Gundy!

[@markpayne6803]

You show in the video good oil flow but you didnt check the pressure wondering if that could be an added problem some burners require different pressures did I miss something

[@michaelpadovani9566]

You pretty much rebuilt this whole boiler - tough one mama

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+Michael Padovani yea pretty much

[@Brad1237202]

I bet you solved it this time Steven!!! Every now and then everyone gets "a job from hell."

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+Brad1237202 so far so good

[@harrydickson4575]

Another next level job Steve

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+Harry Dickson thanks harry

[@copkhan007]

My first thought was the CAD cell ( flame sensor) not recognizing the flame or CAD relay. I guess it was motor and relay.

[@americanboys3788]

Your the man Steve are you from Boston I am I can tell by the accent you have saved me big money

[@BaFunGool]

I say the house is haunted and a poltergeist is loose in the basement. Wouldn't be surprised if it's a ghost of an electrician or steamfitter. I say get the Ouija Board out of the truck, better yet, bring the dog in the house to sniff out that saboteur ghost.. FYI Ghosts are afraid of reindeer via their supernatural powers of flight and are also hooked-up with Santa. The dog is the key for this service call.

[@phillipgilbert9667]

What woild happen if you introduced hydrogen into the air intake kn the becket burner?RSVP

[@paulallen985]

steve? do u ck thee ohms on the motor to rule that in or out? i learned that from a guy a few yrs back. it saved me from many call backs. any thing over 3 point 2 and i replace. just a thought.

[@efman2k3]

Hope you slayed that dragon once and for all. Great video.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+efman2k3 no call back so far

[@jbabikjb]

steven lavimoniere Steve to foo all that work your doing does the boiler have to be disconnected from breaker? May be a silly question. sorry

[@howardiko7156]

I had bad relay solder joints on the controller in two places within a month.

[@billr6442]

What if you smell oil coming out of your vents? More like burnt oil!

[@donlane2610]

This is a long shot, I've got a similar model Beckett, It keeps having intermittent issues, it will start up run for a bit, shut off and then just short cycle, (turns on for 15 seconds or so blows out air then shuts off) and just keeps repeating, due to where I live no one around here works on these things(Floor furnace). I've pulled the filter, the nozzle, made sure they were all clean and even pulled something next to the solenoid and made sure it was clean, I cannot figure out this issue and it's driving me nuts, any thoughts on what it even could be? the motor doesn't seem to get hot and spins freely, I made sure the gap was right on the electrodes with a gauge( and cleaned them). Any tips or insight at all would be sincerely appreciated I'm just trying to keep the heat running for my family at this point.

[@bigpardner]

I hope you got your problem solved. After just reading yoir comment I wondered if it could have been a loose wire; zone valve, thermostat, control?

[@jamesgillies3710]

I wondered if it had something to do with the flame Sensing eye?

[@tptm100]

Turn the blower impeller and see if the motor starts

[@chrissmith513]

Replace the Relay and the motor 🎄 they don't last forever !!! 🤗🤗🤗

[@RelaxationMusicSleepSounds]

How can I run the the furnace after had been trying several times without getting the flame on. I am afraid there can be some extra oil on the combustion chamber. What should I do to be safe???

[@jayohanian1212]

Hi Have a Weil McLean Boiler P468, the ignition needs to be replaced, which brands/model can you recommend?

[@knertified2000]

Great video! It's been a year now. Did you ever get a call back?

[@chenchen2895]

And your doggy, of course too.👍😄

[@croyal4240]

tell me burner tech job not easy, i've been doing it for almost 31 years and sometimes jobs stump me

[@jamesmichaud6284]

40 years here, and I've found the using proper test equipment, your seances and common seance will lead you to and accurate conclusion.

[@webbac8491]

Without removing the burner and bench-testing it, I am afraid such a situation as Steve encountered is a matter of replacing parts or installing a new unit. Been there, done that!

[@RelaxationMusicSleepSounds]

Where can I get the pressure test gauge??

[@jayohanian1212]

Think it calls for a 51771U, failed in less than two years after replacement.

[@ericmckee6526]

love the ending- i lost my min pin a couple months ago i even miss our potty time lol

[@micjam1986]

the dog kills me :) steve, is there any routine maintenance for the motor bearings? or just let it roll till there's a problem?? been enjoying your videos.. thx!!

[@mjg263]

If I could go back in time I'd say "Clean the nozzle back plate, it's so dirty the CAD cell can't always see the reflection of the fire and thinks it's gone out". Oh well, that was 3 years ago!

[@Tedybear315]

Come for the burner repair.... Stay for the doggie dump..... LOL

[@BenevolentXMachine]

at 20:40, what is that thing called? My boiler keeps tripping that thing you are messing with

[@kroozman10]

Nice job once again Steve! Probably next to impossible to find the bad unit on the first try huh? Especially when it trips out at only at certain time.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+kroozman10 most of the time i get it the first time ,but not always

[@dreilly5791]

Great videos. Thank you

[@howardiko7156]

Dogs make life so much more fun.

[@flagstaff866]

Could it had just been a dirty cad cell ?

[@kurryperkins1087]

Dont think so because if it was cad cell issues. It would fire up until lockout time was achieved then would shut its self off. Maximum of 45 seconds

[@izmirfication]

Molly, the boss!!

[@AIRMANBEAR]

I HAVE A SIMLAR PROBLEM EVERY 7 DAYS IT CUTS OFF THE WHEN I PRESS RESTART BUTTON IT WORKS FINE FOR ANOTHER WEEK THE A REPEAT ALL OVER AGAIN..

[@hllywd964]

Nice work Steve...Whats a good stack temp while your checking the combustion?

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+hllywd964 oil can be high 550 or 600

[@hllywd964]

wow...ok, thanks!

[@caru3257]

130 on a blue flame

[@jackharrington8273]

my beckett burner locks out then i re-start only to have lock out again later that day what does the CAD do and could it be my thermostat

[@caru3257]

Not if it locks the burner.

[@jamesmichaud6284]

sold him a new burner one part at a time!!

[@flagstaff866]

Sorry didn't see someone already suggested the cad cell.

[@donnierobertson3088]

Great job and video like always

[@whommee]

haven't you replaced every part on that one now? maybe its all done now. thanks for posting..

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+nate this was a problem job real world jobs

[@francisstorry6753]

You can see the love is MUTED!

[@jamesg9936]

Was this visit a freebie or a discount. I know it was difficult but when I used to fix computers after a couple of times I gave a discount because I felt bad since I had been out a few times. You always do an awesome job at all the calls you get. The dog is cute as hell and she is awesome!

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+James Guzy i have been back many times on this one i will give her a break on the labor charge ,but will charge her for the parts

[@dennisnoone7427]

call backs sucks, do you think an old cad can be acting up like that?

[@matthewotremba9230]

I am beginning to despise winter

[@Guyhakverdi]

Call backs are nightmares of techs! So the main problem was the pump right? Because, you changed the blower motor then you went back, and change the pump as well? That pump was pumping 140 psi right? so maybe thermal overload was tripping after awhile? Tough repair Steve.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+Guy Hakverdi all original parts . mutipul issues on this one .i did not change anything that i did not think needed changing . calls like this one can be tough it runs great for a week or so then the call by the time you get there the reset has been reset and running fine

[@waynejohnson7134]

I WOULD CHANGE OUT THE OIL PRIMARY Before the motor

[@justinlombard8676]

Problem resolved in this video but no diagnosed. I’m not arguing with the parts replaced. I prefer to pin point and give the customer a few options.

[@georgesiatos9848]

you solve the problem???

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+George Siatos i have not gotten a call back yet

[@georgesiatos9848]

great work!!!

[@jeffburton8350]

too bad that testo doesn't do smoke tests. be cool to see if your adjustments messed with the smoke at all.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+jeff burton i have a seperate smoke tester

[@is1available]

Get yourself a liquid filled gauge and a burner set up tool, gap's don't look right

[@Galfonz]

It's 61 degrees right now where I live today.

[@kellyr95]

+Galfonz PNW?

[@Galfonz]

+kellyr95 Desert Southwest. The forecast for tomorrow's high is 70.

[@kellyr95]

Galfonz Oh OK we had our first 60 degree day of the year a few days ago but are back to the low 50's...

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+Galfonz today it down in the single didits

[@annierenard5954]

But I do not understand that a stacktemp of 572 °F is allowed

[@caru3257]

The older the equipment. It runs hotter. Newer equipment run at lower temperatures.

[@rascalnd]

Hate to see the bill you sent her because you replaced pretty much everything. Watching this was like watching a dealership mechanic work. They can't figure out what the issue is and they just start replacing everything at the owners expense in hopes of getting it repaired. I just call them replacement mechanics. I never even one time seen you pull a multi meter out at check current to the igniter or motor or pump or what amps they are pulling. You just said "well this is old so it might be the problem".

[@DMD81773]

I dont know what kind of dealerships you go to but intermittent problems are a bitch. You can only go by what you find at that point and time and go from there. We dont have magic wands like you apparently.

[@canopener505ify]

Anybody know what I might be experiencing? My oil furnace has been tripping recently after running too frequently. Had a guy come out and look at it, first time he replaced nozzle and primary control, and still had a problem. Next day he replaced filter and screen. Still had a problem. I was looking up and down and decided I'd have a go at replacing the transformer myself, which I did. Still have a problem. Before it trips, there will be a hum for about a minute, either it will call for heat or trip. After I let it sit for an hour or so, it will run normally. Then after a few cycles, happens again.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

might be the motor .

[@canopener505ify]

Thanks, for the reply. Narrowing it down I feel that might be the next place to look.

[@REWYRED]

Centrifugal start switch in the motor aborted mission I would bet. I hear spark every time the power switch is closed, that tips me off that the protector relay is "ok", (but good it was changed, the contacts probably took a shit kicking breaking locked rotor current of the motor.)

[@stevenlavimoniere]

+REWYRED all original parts on this burner 25 years old anyway .so anyone of them might be a issue . i try not to change things unless i have to .

[@lancerudy9934]

Change motor and control box

[@eugenechambers3403]

shotgun approach change whole burner unit

[@digger105337]

I hate loud electrical noise when I m near HV transformer ⚡🙉😬⚡💩

[@iliketranes1412]

Now you see why he where's gloves lol

[@superdutyscaler6823]

These comments on here LOL throwing parts at a customer's heater instead of properly testing them the first time is not a good job or how a trained professional does his job

[@jamesmichaud6284]

your videos are a good example for my class of how to NOT do it.