Stihl ms461 vs. 462c-m Bench Talk

[@timberray9572]

MS460. True story, my shop got broken into and I had my saws stolen on Monday, an MS460 and a 272XP. On Wednesday I saw them for sale on Kijiji so I quickly made a police report and after having to jump through some hoops to prove they were mine I got them back on Thursday. I have run that MS460 for eight years now with no issues and sure am glad to have it back.

[@thetreeleggedman9444]

Ray Duerksen I hope the dogs got what they deserved bro!

[@hotsaws101]

Ray hi. That sure sucks. Any good news for you on getting you saws back and the perpetrators getting an extended stay at the cross bar hotel?

[@robertcupp3047]

Jack you and Buckin are my favorite channels on KZbin. I find the bench talk just as enjoyable as field work. Your knowlage and ur ability to explain is amaizing.

[@johnbernstein203]

Robert Cupp....I concur, brother! Between Jack, Buckin', and August it's like KZbin University. Y'all have a great 4th.

[@chriswalmsley4947]

Agreed

[@CFairNH]

Always enjoy these videos, very informative with the comparison side-by-side like that. Keep up the good work!

[@speedandmarine9066]

Bench videos are always great, it's nice to see 2 versions side by side at the same time. I think the big takeaway here is I better go buy another couple 461's before they disappear around here!

[@tjlovesrachel]

Speed and Marine just picked mine up this week👍👍👍👍can’t wait to run it... I got the “r” version.

[@dennisthemenace57]

Three years later the correct answer is still yep, grab as many 461s as you can. And 880s, and 390s and 395s and 3120s and 372s and 660s. The new EPA mandated stuff is light and snappy but not as hardy or torquey as the giants of the past

[@fp3359]

Thanks for the elaborate effort. Greetz from Holland.

[@huckmiller1971]

Thank you Jack , very informative !

[@fabzacres-blackcat]

After watching the video and viewing the various components on each saw ( air filter ; intake ; cylinder ; exhaust ) my vote goes to the 461 ... I’m sure the 462c can be hopped-up to perform well however the flow characteristic(s) seem superior on the 461 at least imho

[@jeffcoulter7181]

462 has better power to wight ratio, yes the design is a lot different to the 461, but that’s just progress in my opinion.

[@husqvarna3726]

Can't wait to see these saws showdown!

[@JoshHagerty_]

Thanks

[@joseamezola4345]

Do you plan on making a bench video of the 572xp and the 372xp? I would appreciate it. Have a blessed day.

[@MsMohaman]

Ms462 c-m is action with big redwood falling ??? ;) 👍

[@hotsaws101]

MsMohaman hi. I had some nice ones of both the 572 and the 462 working on nice reds and fir but, of course, my computer glitched and wrecked 2 sd cards. Have few midy reds with the 462 to post, eventually. Thanks for watching.

[@toolspayless]

Great video, good information, thanks for your insight on these two saws.

[@bob_frazier]

Whether it's power saws or truck engines, the increasing complexity (and cost) is all being driven by emission standards. I'd be more ok with it if the whole world played by the same rules.

[@johnclare765]

Hi grate vedio I really enjoy running my 462 but was just wondering what dogs your run

[@kiwilad4216]

Great stuff! I’m fully with you there the 461 will smash the 462! But I guess we will see, I look forward to the upcoming vids on this!

[@1d1hamby]

Thank you so much for your time and exploded view of the 2 saws together. Love these videos. What are some of your thoughts on trying to incorporate the best of the two saws together? Will you try and use the larger bearing on the 461? Will you try and use a modified 461 piston on the 462?

[@hotsaws101]

d hamby hi. You are welcome. Thanks. Nothing really fits between the two it is a complete redesign on the 462. The larger wrist pin bearing is in the 462. It won't work/fit into the end of the rod on the 461. The skirt of the 461 is completely different than the 462 and I don't think it will won't work well with the "factory controlled air leak" design in the strato version 462 cylinder. Thanks for watching.

[@1d1hamby]

hotsaws101 thanks for the response. I really admire the knowledge you have with chainsaws and all their facets. Keep up the great work. I can't wait until the video.

[@danielyordanov2680]

Hello! I'm looking at your channel with interest. Is it comparable to speed and power ms462 with ms461? which is faster ?

[@fifty150sixteen]

Stihl behind in times can't quite get it right and over complicated with parts that have the sole purpose of making other parts fit because it wasn't quite designed right. Then you have the EPA making things even more complicated....Better you work on them than me. Love the videos though.

[@bob_frazier]

I like my stock 461, but it disgusts me to see how they've ham strung it. Thanks for the show, Jack.

[@Tuffjobs]

What’s made best? Husky or Stihl?

[@stanyoung9546]

You man do a great job great video mate keep it up

[@johnreed7719]

Between the 460 461 and 462 m tronic what do think would last the longest stock and do the newer 461 have piston ware problems

[@hotsaws101]

John hi. Probably the 460 or 461. They do have a little bit of a problem area. Thanks for watching.

[@thetreeleggedman9444]

Hey bro, why do they separate the air and fuel on the new rigging? Tia cheers

[@hotsaws101]

Rhett Aquilina hi. It's part of the stratification process for the new design/s. Thanks for watching.

[@762gunr]

What is the physical difference between an MS460 and a MS461?

[@pajapajic8809]

Bravo

[@thomashall6916]

I have a 460 that spanks my 661. 460 is artic set up, I have done carb and muffler work on it but stock otherwise. Never touched the 661 yet, but felt it should have run over the 460. 32 Inch bar on 661 7 pin full comp chain cut mainly all hard wood. 460 has 28 inch bar ever think else is same

[@Tuffjobs]

You saying the old model is better than the new one? That would be interesting! 😊

[@hotsaws101]

LanceB hi. In many applications yes, yes the 461 once zipped is the saw of choice between these two. Thanks for watching.

[@jamesmooney5348]

Very good, very indepth video. Now with a few yrs passing, what of these 2 stood the test of time? - used versions. Or would you prefer a 460 over these 2? Thanks As long as the Holy Spirit is still on this earth, there's hope. Keep up the good fight. -Jesus Christ is King.

[@hotsaws101]

James hi. I have a friend. Brother James. Uses the Ultra mix oil. Every 6 months its new piston time on his 462. The 461s will go for a few years all things being equal. I can make the 461s have more ability than the 460s. And it where it counts - pulling a long bar. I had a few 046s. The 461s weigh a bit more but I would take that model 1st. We are lucky in that regard. And so be it (Amen). Thanks for watching.

[@davidgaylord2035]

i would have liked this video if there was audio to go along with it

[@northmanlogging2769]

I vote nah on the 462... more ccs always wins, also more parts=more failure, guess I need to save my pennies and pick up a couple more 461s and soon, now Im not totally apposed to innovation, but discontinuing a champ like the 461 for a dubious successor is a bad idear, perhaps labeling it a 442cm see what happens from there

[@Fabzacres]

Yeppers ... the 461 is a PROVEN platform ... seems like the 661cm had ALOT of bugs to work out - can’t speak for the 462cm but I’ll stick with the tried and true ... let someone else be the “guinea pig” lol

[@ЭрикАйрапетов-г8ч]

hay oils ? 32.1 ?

[@hotsaws101]

Эрик Айрапетов hi. I'm unfamiliar with the "hay" oils. Please define a little further. I mix my blend at ~ 48/50:1. Thanks for watching

[@ЭрикАйрапетов-г8ч]

@@hotsaws101 22 mil 1 litre benzin?

[@justinmcginty9975]

So the wrist pin bearing was larger on the 462, but how was the crank bearings? I guess what I'm really trying to ask is where did they save on all that weight?

[@hotsaws101]

Justin hi. Everywhere else. Thanks for watching.

[@dan-dan-da-treeman]

Lol design it into submission...that had me rolling!

[@tompaterson220]

Great saw, weak rear handles. Seen 3 break including a 241 (same new handle design)

[@wesleycallison2079]

Are you a professor? I feel like I am in chainsaw college.

[@timtorkelson7201]

Fora half sec slower but almost 2 lbs lighter I'll take 462cm all day long!! Love mine but both great saws.

[@hotsaws101]

Tim hi. Everyone has their own criteria. If yours are met by a particular saw, by all means buy it!, lol. I've weighed 462s several times. Kind of amazing how little mass that saw has. Compared them to my 044 as well. Seemed like those two were the same. Sthil Inc. really pulled out all rhe stops on the weight reduction train with the 462. So much so that they are overly nose heavy with a Stihl LW 32. 60cc class weight with 70/80cc power. And arboists's dream right there. Thanks for watching.

[@1d1hamby]

I don't like "Screaming Sicilian" pizza.

[@1d1hamby]

I thought this was funny. Nobody liked my sense of humor?

[@Mr_Clean]

I loveeee them!