Why I'm Not Ready to Switch to the DJI Digital FPV System

[@MrElectrick55]

Even after seeing the good and the bad I’m still happy I ordered one because I guess I fall into the target audience. I don’t fly with anyone else, and it’s just cruising freestyle. Thanks for the real talk!

[@mrMacMilli2000]

dude.... you WILL be happy. I guess ARE happy now. Lol. This guy is a rare example of a Reverse Shill. He knows what hes doing. The whole intro. About camera cant do blah. But he's assuming its supposed to fully replace your GoPro??? AND be able to be transmitted to broadcasting TV stations??? What. No one would assume that. And he KNOWS that. And basically just saying stuff in order to fill space and maintain a Negative edge. Get out of town

[@PacificNorthwest360]

I’m buying one when my wife’s asleep on her credit card, wish me luck!!! Cheers Olympia WA

[@saeedag4468]

did it you do it? did it work? .. based on your success story i might try the same tonight :P

[@my335i4]

@@saeedag4468 Let me know how it goes for you guys. I'm going to pull the trigger on the goggles tonight and the air unit on Monday. It'll go right under the radar that way.

[@saeedag4468]

@@my335i4 mine was a sucess ... but we lost @Pacific Northwest360BEAR in action. may he rest in peace.. do it with caution, WIFE= World Fnternational Federation Entrapment

[@my335i4]

@@saeedag4468 Lol...RIP

[@Directory1]

Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission but happy wife happy life. Up to you.

[@420alphadog]

It's fun watching your old vids and see how much your perspective has changed... growth is good!!!

[@Icaro_-tx6hf]

Hi, just a few questions, 1) Was power limit on? 2) Was FC connected so air unit knows the quad is arm and is not limiting power to 25mW? 3) Was low latency mode on? 4) Was focus mode on? 5) Are you going to test it with other antennas? 6) Was the latency similar to analog when flying at a close range? 7) Could you make same test without recording onboard? (Some says that this could interfere with bitrate) Did I say only a few questions? ;) Very nice video, thanks and keep it going!

[@BOTGRINDER]

I know i can always trust stingy to keep it real!! it may be a good system for some but for me i dont need it.

[@stingersswarm]

It definitely is the best digital FPV system on the market that I have tried. That doesn't mean it's something I'll be using full time.

[@TheNickelCHROMIUM]

You can't afford it anyway!!

[@robertcawley1151]

Thanks for being real

[@TAGE_FPV]

@@TheNickelCHROMIUM dropping truth bombs

[@GUILLERMO.NESPOlO]

thanks good he keep this real cause aint happining that with u and your micro dosis video !!!

[@xjet]

Thanks for the update Kevin.

[@stingersswarm]

I totally stole a couple of your phrases when I was recording in the studio today.

[@runic641]

Yes, but the latency issues appear in a distance you could never reach with analog!!! That is an important "detail" that you are missing!

[@pauljosselyn5463]

What do you mean places itll never reach? Hes doing the same line with both systems with one having latency and the other having static, OMO flying though static is possible where as flying though latency depends on your line and if your going to crash. This the ONLY issue digital systems have and I feel it's just a matter of time before its perfected. I'll wait for now

[@sensemusicofficial]

i'd be interested in seeing how the system responds with FPV only .. and not also carrying RC link on the same 5.8ghz bandwidth.. so for example using your crossfire system to RC /RF link and just using the DJI system for FPV only.. would be very curious to see if the bandwidth available for FPV feed is alot more stable.. in these conditions..

[@codcopter4167]

I absolutely love that 'crowd' is buying, testing, and communicating results, and opinions. THANK YOU VERY MUCH man! Totally appreciate you (and JB and NURK and SKITZO and all others that 'feed us with first hand experience' comms!!!)

[@kellyullrich]

Thanks for the great analysis Kevin. I bought a pair and tested them today on an old quad. At first they didn't have reasonable range. Then I realized that my old VTX transmitting at 800mW could be interfering. I turned it down to 25mW and my range increased. Wow, the crystal clear image is so cool. Now I'm rebuilding the quad without the analog camera and VTX to see what my max range can be. So far, it is pretty nice to see digital clarity. Scraggle and branches can't hide anymore. :) The latency when flying behind metal buildings does suck. I need to work on the antenna placement.

[@StacemanFPV]

Great to hear a non hyped take for a change. Thanks for your honesty!

[@stingersswarm]

Just trying to keep it real. It's kinda on me for not getting it in the air sooner than the day before launch lolol.

[@StacemanFPV]

@@stingersswarm it's all good. I just enjoy the honest review. Keep making great content like this! And have you got a link to those LUTs? Would like to check those out.

[@stingersswarm]

sellfy.com/christianmategrab I’ll add them to the description too.

[@Kaspurr84]

it all comes down to, I can fly through static, but I can't fly through latency, nailed the statement.

[@stingersswarm]

That sums it up pretty well. I am a bit nervous after watching others videos. Some people seem to be having no issues but I've spoken with others who have it who are seeing similar results to myself.

[@poolec404]

That statement really hit it home for me as well -- there's no point living the past in HD when the quad is half-way to a future accident.

[@djshawnjuan]

this is the best review I have seen of this system. he's right. totally nailed it

[@fllwurhrt]

I didnt think this was very convincing at all, in fact i think its a strange comment since he's flying through latency, just like he flew through static, in the example he was giving of latency that cant be flown through .

[@KrissKwaddFPV]

Looking forward to you doing a comparison with Fat Shark Byte Frost. If byte frost is at least on par, being able to use existing gear is a huge deciding factor that would likely render DJI a lemon amongst the FPV community

[@stingersswarm]

I hope they send me one to test out.

[@kyran4238]

sadly it's 200mw and will not be on par :-(

[@Skankhunt-42-]

It won't be anywhere the engineering level of DJI. Id expect half the range, nowhere near as refined and gauranteed it won't progress/update as quickly as djis version. They will be fighting a battle they can't possibly hope to win against a monstrous company with almost infinite resources to throw at the system if they decide to. Just look at fatsharks history. After more than a year of people whinging about the crappy DVR software they provide on their goggles it wasn't until immersionrc organised new firmware to fix the flaws that anything was done. I hope it's good, but I have my doubts. DJI V2 will kill it so I'm going to be patient and wait for that.

[@tahustvedt]

In the end the worst image is better than the best analog image. Off course there's a limit to the range, but the way it held up at a distance through four rows of lush trees and a dirt mounds is extremely good. It's outstanding.

[@g-rod5199]

Awesome, real and too the point....not to knock anyone else, but you did not hype it up and presented it honestly, where some of the others just showed the clear image and everyone was like ooh! Great, detailed analysis!

[@RobertTheFriscoSchmid]

Can't wait for your video editing process, really looking forward to that. THANKS!

[@CorruptName1]

What about now, on 1200mW? or even 1000? How many mW were you running on your analog system? Did you try patches? How much have you spent on your antennas for analog?

[@frankbarajas]

No hype just info, love it.

[@checkeredflagfilms]

Any update on a DJI providing a method to see the image on an external client monitor? I know there whole proprietary thing and perhaps waiting for enough demand and/or a firmware update with the usb-c port capable of outputting A/V....I dunno. Have you any recent thoughts? Thanks

[@fsarfino]

Mad props Kevin for the legit info and the limitations of this system

[@stingersswarm]

Thanks bro!

[@dividingbyzerofpv6748]

Oh.... but i did notice one thing. The replacement LHCP antennas on the air unit that work with the mmcx to sma pig tail appear to be 2 for like 15 bucks.... maybe they are a cheap axii alternative? Strange that the goggles dont appear to use CP antennas and I hear are rp-sma

[@stingersswarm]

Wow that would be an interesting twist if DJI antennas end up being a bargain.

[@Guilefpv]

Can you try using a directional/patch antenna on you Goggles and see if you get better range/video/latency?

[@dividingbyzerofpv6748]

@@Guilefpv the goggles are tp-sma. Would need several adapters.

[@NoName-hx4hm]

Great honest assessment of the situation. I fly a 3 inch 5s with crossfire and rapid fire. I don't ever record HD and fly just for the experience it would be nice to fly in HD but the dji's short comings when it comes to penetration seals the deal for me. I fly behind many trees and buildings and the analog rapid fire handles this best.

[@rcrdps8144]

I wrote DJI about the HDMI out. There is a "box", but it doesn't appear to be for little people. I encouraged them to make it available even if it was expensive. They at least responded. Quite impressed with their response times and relevant answers. Here's the first response: Thanks for contacting DJI. We are grateful to assist you with your concern. So sorry that we did not receive the notification about the HDMI function. As we know, we only provide the "Live box" to live games, but you need to please provide the information below. Our colleagues will evaluate your application if can offer a Live box to a sponsor in the competition. Event party The name of the game: Region: Place: Time: Sorry for the inconvenience caused and your understanding is highly appreciated. Any further question, please feel free to contact us. We're always here to help. Thanks for choosing DJI. Have a nice day!

[@cazafpv8312]

can you open the air unit case ?

[@rc.remedy]

"It's a step in the right direction..", think Skitzo nailed it right there.

[@robmalan7137]

You should try a couple patch antennas on it and see if penetration is improved

[@rcrdps8144]

Was about to comment the same thing. I assume the analog system was running the best that you've been able to test. DJI knows their stuff, but a patch or two will probably help. Then drop below the trees and see who wins.

[@TAGE_FPV]

patch antennas don't offer better reception for digital signals unless all 4 antennas are combined together. this is because for analog we want zero MIMO signal transversal and for digital we want ONLY MIMO signal transversal. this is why wifi uses dipoles and not patch antennas for the most part. you COULD probably add HUGE 5.8ghz dipoles on all 4 antenna ends and get better range though

[@rcrdps8144]

@@TAGE_FPV I find the VAS patch antennas provide fairly decent omni coverage for closer in, and great directional coverage too. I sometimes fly with only patches. So could try 4 of those assuming most of your flying will be in front of you. I find that for my yard( 1 acre), I fly around behind me( while standing in the air conditioned house) just fine, but at around 75-100yds, I need to have a patch pointed in that general direction. Unfortunately, the goggles are rp-sma, and all antennas are LHCP I think. So will be further down the road before I get around to buying another 4 patches since mine are all RHCP and SMA. Kinda stinks that you'll have the loss of another adapter(rp-sma to sma) for each one.

[@robmalan7137]

Thanks for the explanation

[@TAGE_FPV]

@@rcrdps8144 did you not understand my last comment? patch antennas dont work separately for digital signals

[@dividingbyzerofpv6748]

Soooo... LHCP antennas on the DJI vtx on the drone. Yet linear on the goggles? Is each antenna doing magic to build a CP type of signal out of 4 linear antennas?

[@xjet]

Yes, they can be set up as a phased array to respond to CP signals -- although head orientation would make a big difference so I wouldn't have thought it to be "ideal". But hey, never forget that looking cool is an important part of pitching a hip new product :-)

[@dividingbyzerofpv6748]

@@xjet and that is is why I thought of it after hearing the way Kevin was talking about how it behaves off to extremes to one side or the other.

[@shainterry]

Great video! Very informative. Purchase a system recently because of all the excitement but starting to have doubts. I would love to see a video on your camera setting and post production system. What kind of gear you are running behind the scenes to edit.

[@hateeternalmaver]

Thanks Kevin, from what I saw you had the best coverage of the whole system so far. Thanks for doing all the testing. ,)

[@Sonderskov1981]

Is this System good for someone like me who wants so solo freestyle around my house ( 2000 scare meters in the contry) all by my self? .. iam looking to get into fpv 🤔

[@Sonderskov1981]

@@escobarfpv1275 will order soon 😅👌🏻

[@jannesbosma9801]

What ranges are we talking about here? Wat power is the analog system running on?

[@Branson.Bowler]

You said that you don’t have the failsafe video because you forgot to press record but doesn’t the dji system automatically start recording when you arm .. ?

[@stingersswarm]

Branson Bowler no

[@Branson.Bowler]

Must be a setting then. Mine does.

[@benjaminwinston4185]

Great video but.. do my props really suck?

[@EduVas-TotalFilmmaker]

@stingersSwarm The best way to demostrate the latency in your googles is showing the same frame for the missings frames in your time line I mean Use the tool Freeze Frame to fill the missing parts and show us. GL

[@HomeGrownCanadianFPV]

Thank-you... best DJI food for thought video yet... was gonna get it, but decided to wait a bit.... the future is gonna rock though

[@stingersswarm]

It is a really impressive system for sure. Keep in mind this is at the very edge of the envelope for this system. Flying in a smaller area it is very impressive.

[@MindOfBoomBoom]

i just recently picked up a Connex Prosight and did a comparison against the DJY FPV System but i only had Focus mode on footage from KabaobFPV (he made it publicly available) but it seems like with focus mode off, both connex and DJI do the same thing - Freeze frame. i had to come back and watch this because i remembered the footage you captured. if you ever need Prosight footage for comparison, you know who to ask!! :)

[@250SuperMoto]

First channel to tell the truth. Similar issues to other previous digital video systems. Subscribed.

[@iSpike]

Good on yu mate, I am in the "research" stage of buying my first FPV kit and appreciate you sharing your experienced knowledge with us all. I am still confused with what is the Best system to spend my money on. I have been a Mavic Pro drone hobbyist and keen content creator loving everything about droning and the droning community worldwide. Cheers from a newest sub/supporter #44,259. From Outback Country in Wild Western Australia

[@kwikam]

What I understood is that you got frozen frames on DJI system in the place where you could barely fly with analog.

[@chinofpv9441]

Exactly this. The signal degradation is actually handled really nicely for a digital system. Of course at some point you're going to lose information, DJI aren't wizzards. What's important for me is that you are aware of the weakening signal and you don't get sudden blackouts as with the Connex ProSight.

[@snfn7847]

I wonder if this with be like my Mavic 2 zoom which has a software update to do every other day and when you power it on it channel hops all over the place and blows every bodies analog signals out the sky

[@stingersswarm]

Nope. It doesn't connect to your phone and has no internet connection so it only knows about firmware updates if you plug it into a computer.

[@snfn7847]

@@stingersswarm appreciate the review, thanks

[@Fluterra]

Finally an honest review, thank you.

[@xtkfpv5306]

Hey Kevin, Did you guys try to see how well the DJI performs when flying simultaneously with other pilots who are runnning the traditional analog gear? Does the analog RF interfere with DJI digital RF or vice versa? I wonder if the video locking up is caused by the onboard DVR trying to buffer or having troubles writing to SD card fast enough. Does it lock up like that if you are just recording goggle DVR?

[@Migueldeservantes]

Yup.. I totally agree one may think "Well I have the money" but if I crash every single quad I have...well I just honestly can't afford it... I'm really happy with what I have & If I happen to be on a place without any floor noise... I Have near HD video...

[@davidrock7389]

I may be wrong but I don’t think I’ve heard anyone mention the fov?

[@ZEN43D]

I hope you can do a retest now that we have had plenty of firmware updates.

[@pizzyfpv]

What about 120fps mode?

[@WhiskyMystery]

Very good info and feed back. I wonder if an artificial horizon could be displayed in the googles (super low latency) when video latency drops. All the data is there.

[@nicholastoo858]

I’m still getting the DJI, not pushing range limits. Could also try have a backup analogue video ready when digital breaks.

[@BisMaxx]

very insightful. I hope other companies notice the level of hype digital is getting and start innovating beyond what DJI has done here. This is a great first step, but clearly it's not ready yet.

[@absoloodle37]

Does the freezing occur in areas beyond where a RapidFire could reach or are we just criticizing performance at ranges that are already well beyond legacy/analog video? Also, I can still fly through 300ms of latency enough to level out & recover to an area with better signal, or better yet, just stay within the range of what my RapidFire could reach and avoid latency altogether. Thoughts?

[@miguelquiroz1550]

Kevin . You rock Brother! Thanks for the video.

[@jdd1777]

I think something like a built in analog diversity for when you begin to reach the hd limit it blends into the analog instead of freezing.

[@yannickg6904]

That should almost be a safety feature, when you think about it.

[@strattonford2557]

would require an entire addition of an anaolog VTX to the system. I highly doubt this will happen since the whole point of it, is the digital system.

[@sanpol4399]

I have so many analog equipment , antennas, accessories, so I got myself thinking...thinking....thinking and then bought the DJI fpv system ! 😀😉

[@thirstycactusfpv1802]

Great way to put it In Perspective love this video! Probably the best real dji review yet!!! Thank bro

[@CreativeVUZE]

How can I link up with other Atlanta guys?

[@SPAT]

Great video man. Love the no BS straight to the point info.

[@pooljunki1]

You didn’t add the live broadcast update

[@attackemartin]

Good review! Sums up my feelings from the first impression of all the reveal videos

[@BMSWEB]

Variation in latency even at the finest amount is going to cause issues with racing and ironically the only places we don't have video quality issues is at club level events. Will be interesting to see this system used in an extremely high RF environment such as a big race and see if constant variation in latency occurs. If so it's going to make for some very random race results. Still early days yet, hopefully DJI can get on top of all the issues. Awesome work buddy.

[@stingersswarm]

I am excited about the system and look forward to seeing what they can do with the platform. I agree that even the minor variations in latency when flying my local spots is a big issue without taking it to the extremes I did here. Going behind the first line of trees can sometimes make it drop from 28ms to 60ms before you know it.

[@BMSWEB]

@@stingersswarm Well for what it's worth, it's extremely good data

[@demofpv9510]

Try running it with your crossfire instead of there remote i could be wrong but it seems like it would be alot of work on the air unit having to process and recieve 2 different signals one video and one rx plus could recording on the unit itself cause more latency maybe even worse at longer range

[@zfpv4112]

I don't have this but I have to think you will get better feed with some different antennas. Maybe a directional one (or two). Something to try anyway?

[@SkyrisUK]

A test on 25mw and also flying alongside traditional Analogue set ups to see if any bleed over would be real useful. Good honest review cheers .

[@MadProps1]

Thank you stingy! The best review so far!!!

[@MikeKinney8675]

Excellent video, very informative, thanks for takeing the time and effort, to let us all know about the system. Mike in N.C

[@incompletefpv5984]

This is the review we needed! Thanks stingy!

[@jasondonavich2758]

I know this video is old now and updates and revisions have been made but is digital always going to have more latency say when flying long range? I was thinking of using my V2 goggles for long range 7" with a caddx vista but if the latency is that bad I don't want input delays and crashing. I once had loads of static flying analog pretty far away from myself but I could see the position of the sun through also now video feed and remember the sun was behind me when I took off so flew in the direction of the sun and the video came back... Flew my DJI fpv drone near some tree once and the video vent blocky, and the latency was showing really delayed movements then I hit a tree.. HD flying looks amazing but when the video goes it's bad news and I've had it alot and crashed due to the video freezing

[@stingersswarm]

@@jasondonavich2758 latency is not as bad now. I still wouldn’t choose DJI for long range. You have a hard limit of aroind 12km. For what most people call long range that is plenty but it is worth being aware of.

[@CoffeeandDrones]

This is the review we needed! Maybe one day they'll get there but it's not quite there yet!

[@DavidOwensuk]

Great video - you always explains things well. Thanks for sharing your views Kevin...

[@VinceIrie]

Great informative video Kevin!! Thanks for that 🙏🏽😄

[@jdm724]

Kerel... wij zitten met 25mw... hebben we echt helemaal niks aan

[@RafaelH3C]

What about if you upgrade the athennas? Do you think that will make any difference in latency?

[@brendoncromwell8138]

there are always pros and cons to any system and generally where one feature is enhanced another diminishes.... I still think this system has a place. for the most part I wouldn't go beyond 800m away from myself. It may not be for the top notch pilots but for people like me who only fly for enjoyment I still think its a great product.

[@FlyingFun.]

I was a TV engineer for over 30 years and worked through the analogue to digital switch over , the digital signal is great when it works but it's either there or it's not and this is the problem , the latency and freezing pictures are definitely NOT something I want for fpv. The answer is not simple, maybe use lower frequencies in video connection, maybe even adjust the frequency and or data levels depending on the signal quality so automatically lower frequencies which penetrate better when signals get weak... We have a long way to go still before good reliable hd fpv is here.

[@kkrampus]

Got an ad for the DJI FPV on this video, theyre definitely trying to fight back

[@siang076]

maybe suggest to DJI to switch to analog mode when the signal gets low, if it is technically possible.

[@peterzingler6221]

It's not since the system sends data packages combined for control link and video

[@baselerd]

First of all - thanks for the amazingly informative and objective review (subbed). I did have a question - when you were describing the latency of the system (around the 10:00 mark) you comment that the air unit is 14 seconds ahead of the goggles in the video editor. Surely the actual latency is much less (I know you stated a max of 300 ms)? 14 seconds over the course of a less than ten minute flight is certainly a lot, but it's more important to know the maximum latency during flight.

[@stingersswarm]

Nope. It’s 14 seconds of lost footage. Meaning 14 seconds of frozen frames the dvr isn’t accounting for.

[@Omega70]

Do you guys reckon fatshark will drop some sort of digital crossfire?

[@lajulasse4332]

And that is on full power version, with the CE 25mw version, it can only be worse. I don’t know if this setting is changeable and even if it is, a future firmware update might lock you on the mode that’s legal where you fly. So yeah, not going for that system. Thanks for that video 🤟

[@stingersswarm]

This is on 700mw. I should do a test on 25mw just to show the performance.

[@retohasler88]

@@stingersswarm I'm really interested in the 25mW results.

[@jdm724]

I think the system already does

[@noamamir0942]

Do you actually fly 25mw over there?

[@jdm724]

@@noamamir0942 if dji locks 25mw because of region bs... than you dont have a choice and you be flying with zero range

[@vampcaff]

Where can i get that shirt!?

[@momentum3825]

Waiting on fatshark . If they underdeliver its time to move forward if not well then we stick to what we have . But i sense a bit of tension when testing this product and that gives me a feeling that if DJI take the feedback into consideration they will crush the competition in no time.

[@qflight9851]

I love this honest review - thanks Stingy. That said - what's the point of showing someone an HD system if you have a greasy lens? Want a better, clearer picture? Clean your lens! Boom - just saved you $1000.

[@mrph678]

Finally, someone who actually has the unit and is telling it how it is!! bored shitless of the "WOW, it's SOOOO AMAZING!! just follow the affiliate link!

[@strattonford2557]

I think the variable latency is the huge part. Also how does this function with failsafes? How long will the system wait for the next frame before it desides to shut down? Our quads travel pretty fast, an extra 1 even ONE second of having no control is the difference between a broken quad, injury, damage etc. Also what if it freezes at a moment im punching? Does it just full throttle for 3 seconds since that's it's last "input" frame? Too many unanswered questions for me. Also just not enough general research in the penetration/reliability of the system. I can imagine flying this in a city with lots of RF would basically be impossible.

[@GeorgeCooper_LoneWolf]

As I told Tommy, it's not ready for fpv but a step forward ( may be V2 ) Thanks for being truthful not all reviewers of theses goggles are. Not for me DJI

[@ofiasdfnosdf]

Thanks Kevin, great review and evaluation.

[@Bionic24]

Was this while flying low latency mode? Also (and I know it is not a proper replacement for static) Focus mode will give you a nice indication for reaching RF challenging zones while flying.

[@pkvillager]

Im kinda forced into switching over... I ordered the DJI goggle/2cam system last week and just lost my first quad ever in over 4 years of flying. Coming back from flying across a lake, playing with boats and skiers, not enough detail in my analog feed to see where I started (made the trip several times too) lost video but got far enough away that I couldn't hear and didn't know which way to turn my goggles. I assume an HD feed in my goggles would have helped with that! Oh well it will be very interesting going from a nice analog setup to this DJI system. New build on the way just minus the vtx, antenna and cam for now until my Orqa's ship. Normally I only fly around my house so I wont be pushing limits unless I can get back to the lake house before next year.

[@stingersswarm]

My guess is you will love it for flying around the house.

[@pkvillager]

@@stingersswarm Got a bunch of packs in today. It's really nice to have an HD feed. The variable latency and focus mode takes getting used to. They both kick in hard behind my house and this thing is blasting out 700mw... :/ Old SD card caused the goggles to reboot mid flight on two packs. Ran 5 or so with no card and it went away.

[@stingersswarm]

Ooh reboot no bueno. Apparently the new firmware helps with the variable latency but requires a new radio battery for all testers. Don’t ask me why. As soon as that comes in I’m going to do more testing.

[@antongigihpriadi2042]

great review man, waiting for the next review after maybe the dji update to solved the latency problem

[@stingersswarm]

I really hope to see some improvements via firmware updates.

[@antongigihpriadi2042]

@@stingersswarm yeah I'll be waiting u reviewing its. Im sure you hav the capablity to fairly test it weather its good or still need improvement , its a new era of fpv if its done well. I love to wait for it. Thanks man

[@MUNKYFPV]

I had a feeling right from the start that variable latency would be an issue, I could deal with higher latency if it’s consistent but if it’s changing all the time it would really throw me off. I would love a good HD FPV system but I’m happy to see someone actually showing how this one differs from the current analogue set ups 👍👊

[@stingersswarm]

Yeah it really is the variable latency that is the issue.

[@stingersswarm]

I can't wait until more people get there hands on the system. It's kinda hard to explain.

[@scooterfpv8864]

8:38 This is what would happen with my Dronium IIIap and 3X with the freeze frames using the phone and VR goggles. But the lag was always 0.2 to 0.5 seconds. Doable but no warning when you've set up a trick per say. And I'm still trying to shake off that muscle memory to this day. Getting better it is.

[@FPVLIFE]

Great rundown!

[@stingersswarm]

Thanks bro!!

[@Guilefpv]

It has been confirmed by some test pilots that you can use a USB-C to HDMI adapter to output the feed from the goggles. It's just not mentioned anywhere in their documentation.

[@snowleopardfpv]

That's interesting. Who were the pilots that mentioned this and do you have a source (link) verifying that information?

[@stingersswarm]

I’ve heard this too. I’m going to give it a try as soon as I can find my adapter.

[@srossi88]

@stingy, this seems to be a completely different experience to kabab's testing, who showed the system being more flyable in extreme scenarios than analog. What do you think is causing these different results? Is there a difference in firmware? Because this is the first time I've seen a freeze frame issue

[@stingersswarm]

Kabab actually showed the same freeze frame issue at the far end of the range. Paul bitmatta is editing the video and adding the frozen frames so everyone can see them close in.

[@skins6007]

How about a flight with crossfire using dji goggles and camera. Is this possible?

[@MrDevilFlash]

You don't HAVE TO use their RC controller. You don't even need to connect your air unit to your FC (but you can so you make your air unit talk to betaflight and adjust PID through your goggle). You can just wire the air unit on the battery and have video feed. And use different protocol for RC control (R9, Crossfire,...).

[@nashnazer]

it would be great if you could show us a bird eye view of the location so we could understand and imagine your flying conditions and obstacles between you and the quad. I am normally at the same park or area where my quad is, when flying. and I never get the sort of staticKY situation like you had here. r u pushing it un realistically too hard or some thing.

[@stingersswarm]

Pushing it to the limits. They have a firmware update but require sending me some new hardware. I want to do a follow up video highlighting my experience in a more typical environment. But yeah pushing the gear to the limits is what I do, so I'm interested in how it performs at those limits.

[@RCRitterFPV]

Did you really get 900ms at this point? Not sure I've seen more than 60ms ever. DJI for about 4 months now.

[@Skankhunt-42-]

So how far did it actually get? Like in metres or feet if that's what you use? You said behind some trees/obstacles but how far is that?

[@stingersswarm]

Distance is irrelevant when you put obstacles between you and the drone. 4km is straight line of sight no trees. This was 100-150 yards.

[@ronnyrengkung7894]

@@stingersswarm JUST make Clear........How far is the Dji System Still flyable for freestyle if you have obstacles between you and the drone??... only 100-150 yards??...in meter is only 137mtrs????.......Thank you Bro...!!!

[@stingersswarm]

Ronny Rengkung that distance isn’t the important part. The amount of trees and ground between the quad and me is. You could probably do half a mile with a tree between you but be hard pressed to do 50 meters in a forest.

[@ronnyrengkung7894]

@@stingersswarm i see... thanks a lot....Bro...is Clear...!!!

[@ronnyrengkung7894]

@@stingersswarm One more Bro... are this Goggle have plug for Earbud... to hear the Audio from the quad..???,.... Thanks !!!

[@iSpike]

WOW??? Thank you for opening my eyes man

[@mikeoleksa]

I'm new to FPV, but I've been building PCs for 20 years. If there is anything that I've learned about tech, it's to not get overly excited about gen 1 of ANYTHING. It's always great to see something new come out, but it's immature and will always need to have some bugs worked out. Sometimes it will happen through firmware updates and the product will improve. Usually it's not until the 2nd versions come out though. I love what DJI has done here. They literally kicked the door open on something that some people were even saying wasn't going to be possible for FPV use. They will work on theirs and make it better. They have already forced Fatshark's hand and they are announcing their own HD FPV system. Others will start to follow. It will take time, but it has already even sparked a little competition on these new HD products. DJI has even made this system competitively priced with the high end analog systems that people are already flying. The thing that really surprised me was when it wasn't actually completely proprietary. It already has limited functionality with Betaflight OSD and they say that will get better. It can also be used with your existing receiver and transmitter if you want to go that route as well. This is all good stuff for the future of improving the FPV experience and getting more people into this hobby/sport!

[@stingersswarm]

I totally agree. I'm excited for where this platform is headed. My initial titled ended with yet. I think I may add it back because I fully believe they will continue to improve this platform.

[@Protonus]

this isn't gen 1 though, this is gen 4 lol. Lightbridge 1 & 2, Occusync Air, and now FPV Air.

[@JoeStanFPV]

Exactly what i was thinking... you can fly through static but a frozen screen is death.

[@christoffer100]

Question is how many mw are you flying on?? Is 25 or 700mw?