Stock Gen 3 Vs Gen2 w SDI E Click

This week we take a look at baselining the Gen3 raptor Offroad and compare it with a Gen2 Click to figure out which one is better.
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[@juicestain33]

This guy is a good sport. has a lot of humility listening to you all shoot holes in his new truck! I like the gen 3s and I’m really curious to see how the 37s from the factory will do on this test course you set up. Keep ‘em coming!

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Yeah, he was great. Gen3 is definitely an improvement over the Gen2. But like when the Live Valves first came out, Ford left a lot on the table again and we wanted to show 1, that Eclick is so much better. 2. Imagine how capable the Gen3 will be with Eclick on it.

[@foru2nvsti]

@@ronsouza9309 would be a blood bath. TRX is not as good as a stock Raptor.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣 totally agree.

[@barrthom603]

Awesome video, would be great to see this same video done again with a 24 37 package or R with the dual live valve. I had a 21 Raptor 37 and a 24 R and couldn't believe how much better the susepsnion is on and off road on the 24.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Dual live valve trucks are performing so good, SDI has not really seen a need to create a tune for them. That’s how good they are. I would love to do a comparison between a single valve SDI truck and a dual live valve. But it won’t be at the SDI test track unfortunately. The heavy storms that hit Cali this past year destroyed the track. So once I find 2 guys willing to test, I need a new location.

[@basedchad6284]

You deserve much more attention and subscribers.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Thanks man.

[@bakhtiyarpakhirdinov2461]

1. That little man is having a great childhood. 2. I expected that at some moment that 1-gen would be driven too.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Yeah he is. You talking about the mid travel Gen1 OR a Eclick gen1?

[@bakhtiyarpakhirdinov2461]

@KeepItDirtyOffRoad whatever the 1 gen i noticed in the video

[@Blue_Flame_Raptor]

I'd love to see a gen 3 35" vs 37" comparison.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Me too. But good luck getting both of those on the trails right now. very few Gen3s out there and even less off-roading

[@T4nkcommander]

Gen 3 handles very well out of the box, pretty comparable tbh. SDI kit on that would do wonders

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Totally agree. Ford left a lot on the table and there is a ton of capability there. Unfortunately the electronics is a completely different architecture on the Gen3. Gen1 and Gen2 shared a lot. gen3 saw some major changes and it will take SDI much longer to develop their system for it. but once they do, those SDI GEN3's are going to be very capable.

[@MrToby-ic6kz]

In your videos you are really digging into the details. Keep up with the great work. 💪🏼🤙🏼 I learned a lot about my Raptor so far and pros and cons of certain upgrades only by following you. I also looked into e-click, but will go for the more conservative approach for my Gen2 with new shocks. However, taking current lead times into consideration, SDI is a real option, but only if you do the full program incl.re-valving.

[@neilcastelli7505]

The avalanche unicorn is going in for shock rebuild in the next few weeks. I would love to see side by side of my truck with the tuned Kings vs the SDI Gen 2. That would be a rad comparison.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Let’s make it happen. Would be good to see if tuned is better than Live Valve

[@Athletesperformance1]

2015 Factory Five XTF F-150 Long Travel enters the conversation.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣 have you seen one offroad yet? I haven’t.

[@watersjaws]

Dude idk, the gen3 looked almost just as flat as the sdi truck. Stock. I wonder if you can tune the shock algorithms on the cpu like you can tune engine algorithms to get more hp. I think you get more either way by upgrading to the gen3 and because raptors hold there value so well, you can usually get huge trade in values for them. I think I'll still wait for the Raptor R but damn I love the look of the gen3 and that suspension looks sick!

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Take a look at the footage again man. Gen2 with Eclick had less bucking, and had no body roll, very flat and predictable. Gen3 on the other hand had a little bit of bucking and it kept overcompensating and overloading the passenger side. Gen3 will be more capable and has way more potential sure, but we are just showing that the stock shock controllers leave a lot on the table. I have heard that you cannot really tweak the onboard suspension programming. You need add an external device like Eclick to take over the management of the shocks.

[@T4nkcommander]

Agreed, Gen 3 looking great out of the box!

[@svt5446]

Eagerly awaiting info on the E-click conversion for the Gen1's

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

They working on it man. It’s already confirmed that it will interface with the truck. They just need to finalize the program and mounting location for the controller

[@svt5446]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I check the webstore weekly to see if they have a SKU up for it. If you happen to chat with them, tell them that Autometer has a single gauge pillar pod that would work nicely depending on the controller size. Thanks for the great content and Happy Holidays! 🍻

[@irregularf150]

Oh heck yeah.

[@cpgeorge2518]

Hello Muro, I have a 2023 Raptor 37 package that I am starting to build up but more weight conscious. One thing I could not find in the owners manual was how when you put just the suspension in Baja mode, not the drive mode, how the truck will respond on the street and off road? I get that Normal feels soft compared to Sport, but what exactly is Baja mode doing to the suspension. Thank you for any information you can provide, Chris

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Baja mode is doing a ton for you. Traction control is tuned down, airbags sensitivity is reduced so they don’t go off when you go sideways, the suspension is stiffened up on the top end, at full compression, ABS is turned down so you can lock of the brakes easier, and and then your throttle response and shift mapping is changed to support aggressive driving. Baja don’t come alive till your going 65 mph on the trail. It’s whole goal is to keep you going fast.

[@cpgeorge2518]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad Thank you for the fast reply!!

[@GrizzlyDude]

Why do people keep saying the Raptor Gen 3 is a 4 link? It NOT a link, it IS a 5 link. The panhard bar is a link.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

True. But have you seen the pan hard bar. If I had this truck I would want to replace that thing right away with a billet or welded arm.

[@abnerpoitan6331]

You mentioned something about the sunroof in the beginning of the video what are the cons of having one?? Please lmk

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

So many issues man. Sunroof and off-roading equals a lot of problems. From cracking, rattling, and they stop working really easy

[@osvalditochirino3428]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoadnot for my princess jaja

[@JR-yt5dq]

Matt is a great dude!

[@bdr6620]

Is there a way to jump without nose dive ? Even with 2 spares and 3ton jack in the back my gen2 still nose diving not all of the times but still pisses me off. im buying this and switch to live valve that thing is revolutionary . Great vlog God Bless.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Yes there is. But there are a few factors. The jump your using, your suspension setup, and weight distribution. Most people pick the wrong jump. Usually it’s a steep sudden short ramp onto flat ground. Very Damaging and usually the shortness forces they back to buck and the truck overloads the front in landing. A good jump should have a downward slope after the jump to allow the truck to come back to level and land on all 4 tires. Next, setup, if your springs are too stiff with an empty bed, or not enough weight, the back end will buck. I recommend at least 200 lbs. 2 tires, jack and some gear. Where the weight matters. Farther back is better. That why my new rack will have the tires in the very back, not at the cab. Eclick can help reduce bucking and all that to keep the truck more planted. But again, your current springs and shock settings matter. What’s your current setup?

[@bdr6620]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoadThnx alot for the info man realy apreciate it . Mine is 2018 with 3.0 kings , uca,+3deavers rpg pump stops 2.5 kings and Not planning for mid travel head ach . I have frame cut bumper has few scars not concerned about the truck just hate the feeling of those dives they all fun but want them out of my life jaja.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

You have the right setup, and if your carrying 3 spares and a jack it’s could be 2 things. 1 the jump your using or 2, the valving and setting on the rear shocks is too stiff. Try softening the rear shocks. You should have a setting and you will need to experiment a bit. Also, send me a clip of the jumps where it bucks. Sometimes the terrain will cause it and only way to avoid is with a fast live valve system like Eclick

[@bdr6620]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoadi'll do thnx man and also gonna try to put the 2 spares stacked near to the tail gate .

[@builtforspeed5274]

Do they have the same front lower control arm and upper control arm? Or the whole front suspension besides the shocks?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Gen3 and gen2 front suspension geometry is almost identical. Main difference is the shocks and the new electronic IWE design in the spindle. That’s it. Arms are the same.

[@builtforspeed5274]

@KeepItDirtyOffRoad thank you sir

[@kurtmcmichael2045]

When do we get a follow on video from you and Wayne on gen 3 eclik ?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Working on it now. We shot it last week

[@kurtmcmichael2045]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad what timing !

[@BigWheelFab]

I ordered a 2022 back in September and hope to get it sooner than later.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Fingers crossed man. Hearing anyone trying to get it for MSRP is having a really long wait

[@BigWheelFab]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I’ll wait it’s impossible to find a base Raptor with torsion I didn’t want the sunroof and all the extra frills.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Good luck man. Hope you get it quick

[@ponysworld750]

March-April arrival for orders placed during that time frame.

[@BigWheelFab]

@@ponysworld750 perfect thank you for the info.

[@ryankindel9748]

Great video! The honesty is always great to see. I wonder how the gen 3 would do with some weight in the rear. I wonder if Ford set up the springs in the rear to have a load in it.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Weight always helps. The concern though is the over compensation it’s doing. Overloading the high side when the trucks dips could result in some dangerous situations

[@nickcadwell5402]

🔥been waiting for this

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

👍👍

[@baselqashou5716]

Love that gen 3

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

👍👍

[@Coloradoboss]

maybe i missed it but was the 2nd gen revalved?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Yes. It has the SDI tune

[@Coloradoboss]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad Gotcha. I am retrofitting the live valves on my '17 but opted to not go with the revalving. I didn't know if it made that big of a difference.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

It makes a huge difference. If your primary focus is a daily driver, keep them stock. But if you want that little bit extra offroad, their tune makes a big difference.

[@kurtmcmichael2045]

Eclik coming for gen 3?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Yep, the white truck here was in to see how to do it. Turns our Ford changes the whole electronic architecture for the new trucks so it's going to take a little bit longer, but they are working on it.

[@dolivares81]

Man if eclick did that for a gen2, will be awesome to see what it does for the gen3. Any difference with eclicks setup or strategy with the 35 vs 37 editions?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Agreed. It will be amazing to see what they can do. Electronically it’s a completely different architecture so it’s going to be a little bit before it’s done. As for the 35-37 in version, there will have to be different programs because they are slightly different shocks. I personally think Eclick with the 35in shocks and the longer travel will be the most capable setup. Already seeing guys put 37s on those trucks and not loosing any travel and they say it’s not rubbing. Will have to check that out myself here soon if I can get a few more guys to come out in the trails

[@A619D]

I wish i could get a 37 Raptor just so i can roll with you guys. I tried to buy one here in San Diego. It was MSRP for 79k but they told me to pay $99,000 when i got there 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Markups in Cali are out of control. Only option for us is out of state.

[@A619D]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad where can i buy one without markup

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

There are a few places. Check the forums. Some dealers are listed. Just keep in mind lines are long so it will be a long wait

[@adipperales9902]

Will this void warranty??

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Depends on your dealer, but yes it can. The system is taking over the shock valve control and getting data from the truck. If Ford or the dealer wanted to, they could void the warranty on the shocks and suspension at the very least. But you also take that risk with any upgrades, including after market wheels

[@irregularf150]

So what I heard was gen 1 ftw still 😬 may be a bit bias too 😂😂. Great video as always though 👍🏻

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣 I would have to agree. But Eclick is giving it a run for its money .

[@irregularf150]

Definitely. Gotta mess with the gen 2/3 guys. May do a rebuild and wait on the info for the g1 e clicks

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Always. A little fire fly ribbing between brands is part of the fun

[@invasion1824]

Great stuff! Is the E Click easy to install if I did it myself? Thx

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Very easy. check out their install videos, they are really good

[@DisisSnake]

will there be a GEN 1 Retrofit fit kit ?????

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Yes. They are working on it now. They have already confirmed the kit integrates with a Gen1 and just figuring out the little things like mounting locations for everything

[@lukehebert]

I don’t know if you’ll find anybody near you running it yet but I’d really love to see a performance comparison of the E”Click system and the new DSC Sport system for the Gen 2.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Have not hear of the DCS sport system.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Did a quick look and I see a few drawbacks. Biggest is that the dcs system does not have its own axis sensor. It relies on the trucks sensors. So that means it will be slower and way less precise than the Eclick system. Would like to see how it works, but I foresee some major issues

[@lukehebert]

It came out right after SEMA this year so it’s pretty new. It popped up on the FR Forums from the vendor otherwise I don’t think I’d know about it either. I’m mostly a quiet lurker on the FR Forums. I know folks are looking for info on performance and trying to see how the E Click system compares. I haven’t really seen any video footage or anything so far. I’ve been poking around at both systems trying to decide which I might want to try myself. It indeed doesn’t have its own sensor suite it operates on the high speed can bus pulling data 1000 times per second. The DSC philosophy appears to be that they believe the sensors on the truck itself produce enough information fast enough but the original control module simply didn’t look at the data often enough or apply enough control. It exposes tunable options across just about every aspect of each shock independently.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Interesting, I need to see this thing in action. Using the trucks sensor and the facts that these guys are car tuners worries me. Offroad shock tuning is an art form that requires years of experience. SDi has years of offroad experience building parts for all the big offroad brands. Last time I saw someone put on shocks designed by a car tuner, it ended badly in the desert. I’m skeptical until I can see it in action

[@M3ichael]

“Secret Sauce” Lime green? 💚

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣🤣 maybe 🤷‍♂️

[@ponysworld750]

At 2:07 you can see that the Gen 3 is carrying no spare underneath

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Yep, and it’s still impressive that the back end did not buck at all with no weight back there. But honestly, the back end performed amazing. Front end on the other hand did some weird shit. That overcompensating is going to cause problems

[@bharathbhushansirige9228]

Why you say that not going for sunroof is smart? How is it a drawback to have a sunroof?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Tons of personal experience and what we have seen others experience. Our 2020 had a ton of squeaks and rattles coming from it. Others have had problems where the rails broke. And worst case scenario we have seen a ton of people crack their glass as they are off-roading. There is a ton of flex in the frame and can and if you flex the truck enough, the sun roof breaks really easy. I have a few friends that all had had problems and tons of talk about it on the forums

[@bharathbhushansirige9228]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad Thank you very much for a quick reply, also also thank you for educating people about raptors, tons of information on your channel. Keep up the good work!!!!

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Your welcome. Always here to help

[@ChromesConsoles]

My dad is looking into a 2022 Raptor R with the 5.2 V8. Do you guys recommend we switch from our Beloved 2010 Stock Gen1 To a Raptor R?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

If the R ever does come out. I will be well over $150k after mark ups and very limited numbers.

[@bjmcdole6294]

Real world, straight forward! Keeping it dirty ;) Looks like the Gen3 is being conservative for the masses. Great video!!!

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

That’s our take as well. There was a little bit left on the table and hoping SDI can unlock it with their system.

[@billolah1372]

The gen 3 looked the best in normal normal mode according to what I seen in the video . Any other mode was all over the road Looked like . But then again watching it live is probably different . And another thing Helio do u think u would have spent alot less $ if u would have bought a new gen 3 rather then spend all the $ that u already have on the gen 1 . And r u done spending on the gen 1 or is there still things that have to be done to make it capable and worthy of ur kind of off roading (wild man) lol .

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

My truck is still not done. We may do some Eclick retrofit on it. But still a work I profess

[@Alexander450R]

You should put "Ford Raptor" in the title of your video. Might get more views that way.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣🤣

[@geoff0brn]

Where is that?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Sorry man. Locals only at this spot so it don’t get closed off

[@sr5toyo]

100% GEN 3 🤷🏻

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Imagine the Gen3 with the much better Eclick algorithm? Now that’s going to be a super capable setup

[@mohammednuredin4663]

The trx shock will destroy e click

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 that’s hilarious. We’ve already shown a stock TRX can’t outperform a Gen2 raptor. Gen2 kicks it’s ass on the trails. Add Eclick on a Gen2 and a TRX does mot have a chance. Would really like to see what your statement is based on since very few TRXs are off-roading

[@mohammednuredin4663]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad Well the trx shock react 4x faster than gen 3 shock, trx shock can control compression and rebound independently and more than double damping force capability

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Your deleting comments now🤣🤣🤣. Stock Gen2 Raptor live valves react 30 times a second. TRX shocks is more like 200 times a second. Gen3 raptor shocks is 300 times a second SDi Eclick is 500 times a second. So tell me, how is the TRX a better? The stock Gen2 with 30 times per second live valves is already outperforming the TRX. Gen3 will leave it in the dust. Eclick is going to blow it away.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Why do you keep deleting your comments? I really like counterpoints and different views. Processing speed don’t matter if you can’t move the shock fast enough. TRX has a larger valve to open and close and choke the oil in the shock. BUT the line its chocking is too small and the front springs are too soft that it does not matter. The front end is constantly bottoming out because of the weight of the front and the road biased springs. So far that reason, a stock Gen2 with its slower processing power can already outperform your precious TRX. I literally have 2 videos up proving this. Go check them out. Where your video proof? In the future I’ll try and get a TRX here to show you how bad it does. Problem is TRX guys don’t want to offroad like Raptor guys. I’ve been trying and they just don’t show up.

[@damilleniumboy]

Those are little whoops 🤭

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Yes, yes they are. 🤣🤣 But these are also stock trucks and these little whoops is enough to bottom out the suspension.

[@damilleniumboy]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad fair enough

[@drews5459]

isnt the point not to "jump"

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

The point is to roll thru as flat as possible

[@drews5459]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad i dont know.. the gen 3 looked smoother imo.. great vid!

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Not in the slow mo. Specially with the way it overcompensates.

[@dnohay]

As always. #1

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

But did you actually watch the video?

[@KurtMalalis]

Chevy silverado fox factory edition better than ford f150 raptor

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣🤣 that’s hilarious. Got any other good jokes? I just posted a video on the Fox Factory truck. I fairly confident a gen3 will smoke it and have a video in the works to prove it