Stockfish BONGCLOUDS Kitten

In this video, a fascinating chess game takes place between Stockfish and Mittens (the crazy strong kitten chess bot) that features a Bongcloud opening. Please note: no kittens or fish were harmed in the filming of this video.
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[@GearsandGasoline]

Eric trying to find the 1 blunder in a video about playing bongcloud against an engine was very funny.

[@FlorianWendelborn]

20:35

[@fatitankeris6327]

When bongcloud is brilliant move.

[@Baladucci]

Clearly it's a book opening

[@G_0_0_Zroot]

It's theory

[@bradstercivic]

Didn't expect to see you here 😅

[@JosephJohnson-mm2bn]

Eric: [Plays Bongcloud] Also Eric: "Wait, where was the mistake?"

[@EGS3586]

bong cloud is a book move

[@IWasCreatedByEarthAndTheia]

@@EGS3586 but a mistake book move

[@tomflanagan878]

I find it hilarious how the vid starts with Eric making a joke about how the commenter spelt bongcloud, only to spell it wrong himself in the video title

[@tomflanagan878]

Maybe it's KZbin thing against using the word bong in the title?

[@aztecs__]

Before Eric fixes this, it says "Stockfish BONDCLOUDS Kitten"

[@pav0l694]

@@tomflanagan878 I don't think so, Hikaru has a lot of bongcloud speedrun videos.

[@MittensOfficial]

There's only one opening and it's mighty Mittens opening. Obey me the real Lord of kittens! 😺 I mean meow of course hehehe.

[@-YELDAH]

Yeah because he'd never do that intentionally, jokes don't exist

[@Chikov2]

I don't think it's in the spirit of the Bongcloud to just move the king back the next move. You have to use the king!

[@ramachandra776]

"I'm a cat toy that can't be eaten" - Eric Rosen 🤣 . Also , the prophecy must not be fulfilled probably refers to Eric not wanting to play a 150 move game . The game lasted 130 moves .

[@MittensOfficial]

There's no such opening that could defeat me Mittens the all mighty! 😼 I mean meow. Hehehe

[@EvilMittensOfficial]

Only one could defeat you... Your old brother Mittens! Fight me Mittens. I mean meow 😾

[@foxy_ig2910]

Dont cry now kitty, accept your defeat

[@MittensOfficial]

@@EvilMittensOfficial It will only take one skadoosh from my mighty paws to defeat you Evil Mittens! 😼 I meant meow meow. Hehehe

[@gabrielberthiaume6938]

Wait, something sounds fishy...

[@ajcon3874]

@@MittensOfficialThe CCU (Chess Cinematic Universe) is about to get its “Endgame” of M3GAN vs. Mittens.

[@GourmetBurrito]

It'd be cool to see a minimalist run-- trying to see the lowest number of times you need Stockfish's help to win a game against Mittens.

[@elJas123]

Ben finegold already won against mittens without any help

[@Jason-sq2up]

@@elJas123 Nemo and Benjamin Bok did as well. And probably some others I'm unaware of

[@JimmyBoosterCrate]

@@Jason-sq2up The developers were playing around with Mittens' level, so it was at some points far below its usual strength. That explains Nemo's win for sure and probably Ben's as well. Bok just played amazingly though

[@GourmetBurrito]

@@elJas123 oh sorry, meant would want to see from Rosen.

[@piercearora7681]

Jonathan Schrantz has beaten SF without help before, there are lines in the Stafford where you can convince it that its winning when you actually basically have a fortress. The same thing should be possible against Mittens

[@maciejlisewski1473]

I'd love to see Stockfish against Mittens in Danish Gambit from one of your recent videos. I'm curious what attacking ideas will Stockfish have

[@ianfischerschilling9779]

I would love to see some Evans Gambit! It would be very entertaining to see some attacking chess

[@tyronebiggums9162]

The entire human race now roots for Stockfish

[@shawnos1470]

let’s goo I’m so happy to see you actually played the bongcloud and it’s crazy to think that mittens had such a hard time converting

[@TheXLAXLimpLungs]

Try the accelerated bongcloud, you don't push king out but you just refuse to castle and walk the king around the rook.

[@juzujuzu4555]

Would be really nice to see this with Stockfish truly being able to crunch the numbers for a long long time. I'll bet it could win with Bongcloud.

[@jarirepo1172]

Actually nice example how crucial good endgames skills are, from lost position to draw just like that!

[@darthabhinav]

"I am a cat toy that can't be eaten" - Eric Rosen, International Master, 2023

[@markmasaki1480]

The Bongcloud Prophecy: the Fish of Stock shalt illuminate the path of salvation for humanity to thwart the Bot of Mitten.

[@theMarcoLee]

Just shows you what a monster stockfish is.

[@davidrobins1021]

Very similar to the game I played against Mittens. I played the first 15 moves entirely on my own (no dodgy openings, just played it like a normal game) then let Stockfish take over my terrible position. Eval was about -3 for Mittens at this point, and SF got it back to 0.0 Then had about 100 moves of shuffling back and forth and trading some stuff in a completely drawn position, and eventually drew by repetition in KP v K endgame after 146 moves. Tedious playing it out, but interesting. Seems like SF can overcome a 2.5 to 3 eval disadvantage to get a draw.

[@kartikeyasaxena3465]

Yes Eric this is what we wanted to see Bonk the damn kitten on his head of the Anger that people have after getting their soul being taken as they started the match thinking 1 elo

[@TheLaprasMan]

I'd like to see stockfish vs mittens with mittens up 4 tempi (Nf3, Ng1, Nf3, Ng1 from stockfish in the first four moves)

[@volodyadykun6490]

I think it's against rules to unbongcloud later, you could move to other squares but not just back, especially in few moves

[@TheGreatLordYama]

Agreed. I feel like it’s not in the spirit of the bongcloud to move the king back….

[@TymexComputing]

Ndeed, The Bondcloud opening 20 pages long book doesnt allow Ke1, always defend the F3 with a King

[@Dopefishs]

It basically makes it a case of 'Can Stockfish beat Mittens with two move odds and without casting rights?'. Interesting, but it would have been more fun to try and see if Stockfish could hold on with the king on e2 for longer.

[@misourfluffyface1417]

Hey Eric! Just wanted to let you know that using MultiPV (having SF show multiple lines at once) causes it to lose elo. So if you want it at full strength, make it show only one line.

[@sollertia_]

He does know that but he wants the option to pick interesting lines

[@billjones8950]

I don’t know the opening but a while back I saw penguin doing something like. Pawn G3. Knight h3 eventually to F2 the F pawn somehow pushed to F4. And the light square bishop got to G2.

[@blairkilszombies]

You should try running the mosquito gambit against Mittens. How bad does the opening have to be for Mittens to crush Stockfish?

[@patrickmartinstumph8104]

Cloud. Bond Cloud.

[@ivanpogildiakov1948]

Eric+Stockfish: it's time for tactics Mittens: that's what she said

[@an_asp]

I took a class once on AI for chess engines, and Mittens' refusal to accept a draw in the endgame here reminds me of the wonderfully-named "Contempt Factor", where you artificially decrease the evaluation of a draw against opponents you expect to be vastly superior to (such as human players), in the hopes that your opponent will play sub-optimally and screw up the drawn game. Without a contempt factor, the AI is usually fairly willing to accept a draw if it thinks it's inevitable (imagining it playing against itself). I suspect that that's what Mittens is doing here, but I'm not certain of what's standard in these modern engines. For example, if Mittens is using an endgame tablebase, it knows for a fact that the game is absolutely drawn from a mile away. But I'm not sure if using endgame tablebases for human-facing bots is considered too rude. One subject that class never covered was how to make our chess engines fun to play against, rather than as strong as possible.

[@perniciousoctopus]

Mittens does use a endgame tablebase, but that's not relevant here. Tablebases are for perfect play. Mittens is playing against a human who doesn't have a memorized tablebase. If Mittens has a high contempt factor, it's going to extend the game, hoping for the human to blunder the rook.

[@DanielHuman1996]

I would like to see you play the King David opening? It's like the bong cloud, but the king switches places with the queen on the 3rd move for white.

[@nz7033]

I wonder if Stockfish would have won if you had played only the top moves in the middlegame as well instead of going for interesting lines

[@michaelcruz1322]

holy shit this thumbnail hahahahahah omg I haven't even watched the video yet. I clicked the link solely and exclusively because of that incredible thumbnail image.

[@amuricuh6143]

Can we see your thoughts on something like a Breyer or Chigorin? A nice, classical Spanish with your commentary would be excellent. I really miss your non-dubious days

[@mikebaker2436]

Hikaru needs to talk to the developers about updating the analysis tool. Bongcloud is never a blunder.

[@manojbala6870]

Earlier: Why is everyone so bloodthirsty against a fluffball A few moments later after I played mittens… Now: yes yes yes

[@iceicebaby6980]

My first day starting chess and I'm very confused. A machine kitten playing another robot and a bongcloud is involved. If a human, press 1. bots, don't read that!!!!

[@volodyadykun6490]

saving the knight *knight instantly killed*

[@DavidBrit101]

11:36 Rh7 winning back a pawn?

[@gamingontheside3771]

shout out to you teaching me that loosing my queen could be my best game ever

[@gaystripper]

Rxd3 was the dirtiest and most disgusting move I've ever seen. What a brilliant move.

[@FoxyCS_]

please play the Wayward queen attack

[@brettess52]

Clearly engines need to be more human like in recognising hopelessly drawn positions and offering draws.

[@labestianegra6373]

"Name is Bond. Cloud Bond"

[@Jivvi]

It usually sounds like "minz" when you say "Mittens", so obviously you should play the Minzowitsch.

[@ben1996123]

comment: bomgcloud this video title: bondcloud actual opening: bongcloud

[@dsklizzle]

I’d love to see the crab opening against Mittens.

[@marcusallard9222]

my names cloud, bondcloud

[@RemyWillard]

Please do not take this "suggestion" seriously, but if you're going to continue using Stockfish against Mittens, it might be funny to see g4 or the Tumbleweed on Move 2 of Bird's Opening. -I just played both suggestions against Mittens without any engine help, and of course got obliterated (in single-digit moves during the g4 suggestion, but I did make it to Move 25 in the Tumbleweed).-

[@matthewpatterson2355]

Can we see a dragon I know they’re mythical but for a kitten that travels through reality they must exist somewhere

[@wuketuke6601]

Its no fun when you pull out the king on the third move already

[@mratkovich]

Anna Rudolf got Mittens to give a 3 fold rep

[@paulcundell6254]

If mittens is using a randomly adjusting elo algarithum from 2400--3400 it makes for a brilliant concept and a good excuse 😉

[@ishanganguly7586]

Play e4 e5 Ba6 next.

[@sweetcornwhiskey]

Next you have to play the hyper aggressive version: 2. Ke2 followed by 3. Ke3 (or really anywhere on the 3rd rank)

[@Xirrious]

Yoo shout out to past mittens and Eric. I'd say hi to stockfish but do fish even care about people? Probably not.

[@patrickcao1126]

Lobster opening pls (g4 h3 b4 a3 on white)

[@thatonedynamitecuber]

Oh yes. Bondcloud. Good spelling you got there.

[@harstar12345]

It's so dumb that I know this mittens campaign is just marketing, but I am clicking every video either way

[@GhostPuddle]

Now you need to play one where the king must stay on e2 until the endgame

[@phlosen7854]

Shoutout to Eric in the Past playing Mittens!

[@dineshr2293]

f3 and kf2 is the real bongcloud

[@setablazee3570]

I love bomgclouds

[@grizs_]

7:49 Wouldn't Nb5 fork be a good move tho?

[@SebastianBohn]

Thanks for being such an entertaining cat toy. Try further not getting eaten!

[@davioliva7088]

Hand a brain with stockfish would be great

[@chopinfanclub6672]

Bomgcloud > BONDCLOUD

[@denniswang7716]

I saw Eric, I died.

[@lukixpogo2254]

You shouldn’t have moved the king back . But gg

[@stupi3874]

I am from the future, and currently watching this video on youtube

[@wesleymcbob]

Crush Mittens with the stinky dink turnaround!

[@IcarusGravitas]

An opening from the book of blunders.

[@immersionmusic]

Greetings, Eric ! I am from the future and I am watching this video ! Happy new year !

[@et6910]

Which move was a brilliant move by Mittens?

[@ThePapaja1996]

krazy kat oppening

[@jaakezzz_G]

playing Ke1 is like taking back your bomgcloud... ;-; stoner king wants to be on f2

[@noanghaderi6910]

Best thumbnail ever!!

[@antthehckyplayer]

The names Bondcloud. James Bondcloud.

[@spenzr6920]

"Im a toy cat that can't be eaten" -Eric Rosen, 2023

[@zzye2651]

You should play the bird opening. Or the grob

[@ImJonnyR]

As an FYI, you are severely nerfing Stockfish by having multi-PV on. Keep Stockfish settings to only have the top line.

[@Lacter12]

eric said he wants to choose the top moves

[@IsaacOtto]

Absolutely demonic thumbnail!!

[@JayJayPea1]

Stockfish: Top move don't play bongcloud

[@Axolotine]

top tier thumbnail

[@MrDannyg77]

I’m probably wrong but in all the Hikaru videos I’ve watched (many), 3. Ke1 was never played. In other words it’s not really a bomgcloud or bungloud or bumproud or etc.

[@mx_ae]

please play a Halloween gambit against mittens

[@Ramenenglish]

I like the crab opening

[@chibi6535]

eric inspired me to beat an 800 with the bongcloud

[@joshuagollaher9614]

bomgcloud

[@Em4gdn1m]

Bomgcloud, Bondcloud, Bongcloud, same difference.

[@wh4543]

Shout out to past Rosen.

[@NoNameAtAll2]

call the bondulance

[@Nae_Ayy]

bong, james bong

[@limemlohdnul4795]

The cat in the thumbnail is so cute lol

[@dripcolors8756]

Intercontinental Ballistic Missile

[@stevensutton2252]

Great you're getting a kitten high in a bag

[@JunctionWatcher]

I want to see mittens crush a Kiro Kihn

[@adler_dot]

Play the others cats too, all the players I know on YT only play with mittens

[@abdullahimran4624]

the rest are super easy

[@jaydub2971]

Mittens losing to a Benoni would be nice

[@1eingram]

I thought the stafford gambit try against mittens ended in a draw?

[@ChristianHegele]

I thought bongcloud was f3 kf2

[@SergheyKatastrofenko]

I might be a better player than Eric, I have beaten Martin without any help and got the 3 crowns on him.

[@epicablaze]

CRAB OPENING