Stockfish vs Torch! The new chess Era begins! - Computer Chess Championship 2024

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PGN OF THE GAME:
[Event "CCC23 Blitz: Semifinals (3|2)"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2024.06.27"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Torch"]
[Black "Stockfish"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[Variant "Standard"]
[TimeControl "180+2"]
[ECO "A46"]
[Opening "Indian Defense: Wade-Tartakower Defense"]
[Termination "Unterminated"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]
1. d4 d6 2. Nf3 Nf6 { A46 Indian Defense: Wade-Tartakower Defense } 3. Bf4 g6 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. e4 O-O 6. Bd3 a6 7. O-O b5 8. e5 Nh5 9. Bg5 Bb7 10. Re1 Nc6 11. Be4 Qd7 12. h3 h6 13. e6 fxe6 14. Bxg6 Nf4 15. Bxf4 Rxf4 16. Re4 Raf8 17. Rxf4 Rxf4 18. Ne2 Rf8 19. c3 Nd8 20. Bh5 e5 21. dxe5 Bxe5 22. Bg4 Qc6 23. a4 Qe4 24. axb5 axb5 25. Qd2 Nf7 26. Nh4 Bf6 27. Bf3 Qxh4 28. Bxb7 e6 29. f4 Be7 30. Be4 d5 31. Bc2 Bc5+ 32. Kh2 Nd6 33. Qd3 Nf5 34. g3 Qe7 35. b4 Bd6 36. Qf3 c5 37. Ra6 Qb7 38. Rxd6 Nxd6 39. bxc5 Ne4 40. Qg4+ Kf7 41. Nd4 Nxc5 42. Qg6+ Ke7 43. f5 Qd7 44. Qxh6 exf5 45. Qg5+ Kf7 46. Bxf5 Qd6 47. Bg4 Rg8 48. Qf5+ Kg7 49. Bf3 Rd8 50. Qg5+ Kh7 51. Bg4 Qxg3+ 52. Kxg3 Ne4+ 53. Kh4 Nxg5 54. Kxg5 Rb8 55. Nc6 Re8 56. Nb4 Re3 57. Bf5+ Kg7 58. Bd3 Re5+ 59. Kg4 Kf6 60. h4 Re8 61. Bxb5 Rd8 62. Bd3 d4 63. c4 Ke6 64. h5 Kd6 65. h6 Rd7 66. h7 Rd8 67. Nd5 Rd7 68. h8=Q Rb7 69. Qf6+ Kd7 70. c5 Kc8 71. Qf8+ Kd7 72. Qe7+ Kc6 *
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[@misourfluffyface1417]

The title is blatant clickbait yall, Torch has not beat Stockfish in any tournament or had a better performance throughout a tournament once, it very recently lost to Stockfish in the bullet final of the CCC (570.5-429.5) and is currently scoring worse in the Blitz Semifinal

[@lethallohn]

Agreed. It really is clickbait intentional or not, since Stockfish won as white with this prearranged opening as well.

[@62calum]

Looks like torch smoked some fish.

[@anonym5160]

Jozarov can you make your own chess engine tournament? Then you can choose your own preranged openings.

[@Jozarovschesschannel]

Something could be done

[@movieman6456]

Even Stockfish got tired of the torture.

[@jaanuskiipli4647]

torchure

[@sandeepr7141]

Now show us how torch performed against stockfish in the same inferior position as black

[@anonym5160]

Stockfish 17 in a few months will destroy Torch2!

[@movieman6456]

Yes, keep praying.

[@profounddamas]

You have proof or just wishful thinking?

[@bloxorzwizard7931]

Isn't 17 beta already out?

[@anonym5160]

@@bloxorzwizard7931 according to the Stockfish Channel yes

[@joseraulcapablanca8564]

A very fine win by Torch a couple of powerful counterstrikes really changed things. Interesting how it turned after all the tactics into an endgame advantage. thanks Josip.

[@thwaib100]

Thank you ❤, look at tcec26 FRD semiLeague1 game 5 ? between Altair vs Ethereal, Altair made move 21 trapping his queen

[@chrisdavis2161]

Nice haircut by the way

[@Jozarovschesschannel]

Thanks. With the small amount of hair that I have I got the best out of it. ;)

[@FloydMaxwell]

Follow the best engines. For sure.

[@Vinvin5114]

the Torch project has stopped last week.

[@Jozarovschesschannel]

Can you give me a link to the news or some additional info

[@mohammadamenabdulhamid8975]

im also following all ur video sir .. from Philippines

[@dr.deepakgore1079]

Stocky got a lesson 😂😂

[@iwersonsch5131]

I'd like to see a blitz engine championship defined by clock cycles rather than minutes. How well can engines play with 10M clock cycles per game + 100k clock cycles increment?

[@user-gg6df4xr3i]

Stockfish is not the strongest engine....its jozarov engine.

[@Corteum]

Be interesting to see what their score against each other is in all time formats.

[@tomas-wi8dy]

stockfish is the best, temporary can be contestet, but it stil the best ... if the organizer put nimzoindian on table, torch not even touch the ball. By the way, what do Torch in same position with black?

[@modolief]

This is the interesting question.

[@lethallohn]

Torch lost against Stockfish as well.

[@shouldersofgiants4649]

I really like your channel for your consistency in covering engine games but the title is blatantly incorrect. Torch just won a single pair, Stockfish is back in the lead and leads 4-1 in their head to head

[@Jozarovschesschannel]

When I recorded the video Torch had a clear advantage. Maybe I should change the title

[@Snowell1221]

Currently Stockfish is leading their head to head in the tournament 6 wins to 3 and Stockfish is leading the tournament…for now. Plus Stockfish is leading all its head to head matches. Misleading title.

[@mcmcx5514]

It was SSS. Torch development is over. And SF is leading now.

[@Corteum]

Were they run on the exact same hardware?

[@DeeDee-fi4kq]

Chessmaster 2.0 has also already proven itself to be much stronger than Stockfish 16.0 by soundly defeating the fish with the Black pieces in only 2 moves with this prearranged Computer Chess Championship opening 1.f4 e6 2.g4 Qh4#

[@blijebij]

Maybe... As it becomes harder for chess AI to make progress at higher levels, development tends to slow down. This allows those in lower regions to catch up more quickly, eventually leading everyone to converge towards a more or less optimal chess strength. I believe this is the case with the chess engines Stockfish and Torch. Chess is the best ;)

[@luciangv3252]

All other engines follow SF path, thats why are growing su fastly

[@steliosioannou4996]

Stockfish still is first now in the tournament.That lost a game it not such a bid deal!

[@ns7379]

I don't understand after Bd3 why Stockfish avoided capture on h3 ? @ <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="842">14:02</a>.

[@paulcox2447]

Computers are looking like 15-20 moves ahead at all times. You didn't calculate over 100,000 possible combos like the computer did lol. The computers are just looking for which positions tend to win overall most often. So they will give up a piece on turn 5 if it means more winning potential by move 30. You can't always make sense of what they do as a human.

[@chrisdavis2161]

Play a similar defense against the London System. A41. I know it's pre-arranged, but I don't like that early b5 move by black. It seems like an over extension without a clear provocation. I feel like you have to save that b5 for a knight kick and to prevent white from taking that long diagonal easily

[@GeorgeEpting]

Oh,well well before i watch this ,could it be you really learned something ,i was the one that created the change when i beat the best program and moved the elo factor up and knew what this is where it is when it is how it is no matter how confusing it looks and or sense of it to how it works😮

[@GeorgeEpting]

Yes my dragon and now it is getting clearer and clearly to see but I'm still under 30 seconds easily now I told you to much 😮

[@dannygjk]

Ach 1/2 point ist nutink.

[@michaelmassaro4375]

Wow a very surprising Thumbnail I loved watching Stockfish work its magic devastating wins it had against leelaC0 and Berserker just a super well game played by Torch great attacking and positional play Incredible I think we all enjoyed Stockfish I didn’t see that as a problem but for sure we want to see the games with the strongest engines I think Stockfish will bounce back thanks for the game Jozarov

[@Jozarovschesschannel]

Its very dynamic in the tournament

[@abcde...7960]

Thanks a lot for create this type of videos.

[@RomanOrekhov]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="233">3:53</a> why not g4 immediately to trap the knight?

[@eudesgeoffroy8416]

Shame jozarov shame, everybody knows that Torch's development has been halted.

[@lethallohn]

Here's the thing, Torch and Stockfish lost the position they were given as black. Meaning that Torch won as White and so did Stockfish. Nothing Significant here.

[@Stockfish1511]

Stockfish is stronger. Alot stronger. Just not enough games played yet.

[@josemiguelplanton4613]

One great game ❤❤❤ Thanks

[@bloxorzwizard7931]

Slightly misleading title... instead of b5, Stockfish 16 on my HP AMD RYZEN 7000/5 wants to immediately play a much better move that's only 0.07 for white and tve organizer's b5 move gets a 0.88 and drops a minimum of 0.81. I'm thinking maybe it's the Organizers who are not the strongest anymore lol.

[@luxo1035]

Semifinals were restarted. Before the restart Stockfish had actually won a game pair against Torch. So no, Torch is not stronger, it just happened to win a pair after the restart and Stockfish has already recovered by winning another one. Please refrain from using these clickbait titles, many people do not follow CCC and TCEC constantly and will take titles like this for granted and incorrectly assume they're true.

[@Jozarovschesschannel]

Torch is right now half of the point behind with two games less played

[@janolthof2487]

If you don't like it, start your own channel. I've been following Jozarov for years. He is doing great!

[@istvanmatolcsi1786]

@@Jozarovschesschannel Stockfish is right now 1 point ahead of Torch with same amount of games played, also Stockfish vs. Torch games favor Stockfish (9points for Stockfish, only 7 for Torch)

[@Jozarovschesschannel]

@@istvanmatolcsi1786 today we will cover then a Stockfish game

[@Jozarovschesschannel]

@@istvanmatolcsi1786 today we will cover then a Stockfish game

[@dielectrictruth1040]

Apparently Torch is a Cheat, it used Stockfish to beat Stockfish 😅

[@LimitedState]

Stockfish in fact is still the strongest and this video, also in fact, is clickbait..

[@anatolytsinker5317]

This is just a bad opening for black so this game proves nothing

[@Trizzer89]

The Stockfish team doesnt seem to operate anything like Alpha Zero. They have a much more surface level understanding of AI. It was a matter of time that they would get passed up

[@richi2870]

Torch is trash, mods overwrite results for it!

[@TondersWonders]

Explain

[@richi2870]

@@TondersWonders what should i explain? I have seen on there website, how mods changed results for torch

[@TondersWonders]

@@richi2870 Results can be changed for fair reasons. That doesn't mean anything. Also, did this game happen or not? In what way is Torch 'trash' when it is an objectively great engine?

[@richi2870]

@@TondersWonders there was no fair reason lol. What are you talking about.

[@theegyptiancamel]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="393">6:33</a> what happens if Kxe5? Pawn is pinned

[@theegyptiancamel]

I see, Qf5 attacks K and B and threatens mate in 2 with Qxf6 Qxf7 mate

[@jurjenvanderhoek316]

Qf5 indeed. But there is no "Qxf6 Qxf7 mate" threat, it is Qxf2 Qxg2

[@theegyptiancamel]

@@jurjenvanderhoek316 haha yes i totally messed up the board positions but thats what i had in mind 😂