Rikon 2HP 60-200 vs Record Camvac 90L 4HP A Review of Top Dust Collectors For Small Shops EthAnswers

[@donlemke6439]

I have been expressed with the Record from videos on Hooked On Wood. This was very helpful with its comparison to the Rikon. My only issue is that the Rikon poly bag leaks too much (as do all of this style) and thus having an expensive filter on top is not worth the money IMHO. The Rikon style has the impeller on the input side of the filter thus blowing the bag up and blowing the dust out every little leak path. The Record the motor/impeller is on the output side and thus the dust is always in a vacuum environment so no dust leaks. The only negative to the Record is the motor is in the exhaust thus any dust that gets through the 3 filters will end up in the motor. One positive to this design is the motor is cooled by the exhaust air. Thanks for video, I will be buying a Record CamVac for my new shop when it’s built (hopefully soon). 32:12

[@stuartsherman5975]

Thank you. Very helpful video. I am trying to find a budget friendly solution to collect dust for a cnc router that uses a handheld palm router. Thus, would you recommend a Camvac attached to a cnc machine? I ask since you mentioned the Camvac can only run for 45 minutes at a time. However, a cnc can run hours at a time. Many wood workers use a shop vacuum but the Camvav is much better than the shop vacuum. Any light you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

[@gordongroves6674]

I need a new vac after selling my old Record Power vac due to the high noise level. The new Camvac looks impressive but how would you rate the noise level please?

[@StockroomSupply]

The Camvacs are super quiet! About 10 decibels quieter than a traditional dust collector

[@gordongroves6674]

Thank you - much appreciated.

[@MaleahAndJoshFunnyVids]

Thanks for the great video. I was wondering if you'd recommend a camvac for a CNC wood router? I was told the run is 2 hours which is my only concern. Most of my work is around the hour mark in terms of run time. I have very limited space in the workshop and considering a Camvac. Many Thanks

[@DirkieB]

Bit unfair to the Rikon about the loss of CFM through attributes, since you doubled the original reading for the 2 ports to get to 1300+, but then didn't double any following readings. That said, I've bought the CamVac and am very happy mostly with it's form factor!

[@StockroomSupply]

I should have noted in the video but on all my other tests other than the first the one 4” inlet was capped off. Glad you are enjoying your Camvac!

[@pittaman]

​@@StockroomSupplythen why not just test the CFM with the thing capped from the jump?

[@StockroomSupply]

@@pittaman my cheap anemometer can only handle up 1000cfm without failing 🤷‍♂️

[@michael.schuler]

As pro trim carpenter in U.S., I set up shop on site with small machines (TS, MS, jointer, benchtop planer, router table.) and power hand tools. I am very interested in CamVac for its combination of power and compactness. But I must be able to run it off typical 120V residential outlet. My electrical sub claims I can run CamVac 336-4 (2000w) by using appropriate transformer and making sure to power the vac from a different circuit (20A) than the tool it's attached to. Do you have experience or advice about running CamVac from 120V outlet? Thanks for valuable review.

[@StockroomSupply]

Hey there, I personally have no experience using a transformer with the Camvac but I have had customers tell me that was their intention. If you look up some of the specs online it seems like it should work.... Sorry I cant be more helpful!

[@michael.schuler]

@@StockroomSupply Do you sell the smaller CamVacs - 336-4, 336-3, or 286-4? I'm fairly certain my several electrical experts are correct to advise that these vacs can be run via transformer off of 120V circuit. That still leaves me the practical concern about throwing a breaker if I can't conveniently run the attached machine from a separate circuit. I'm thinking that running only one motor cuts the specified amp draw in half. My intended usage would be almost entirely limited to miter saw and occasional quick TS rips, not simultaneously and with extremely short hose runs to vac. Am I correct to think that a single 1kw motor would provide plenty of suction for my stated purpose? If so, I might buy a two motor vac and simply refrain from running the motor simultaneously unless site conditions allow. Thanks again.

[@billwebster759]

I worked 41 years in test labs. Testing and measuring was what we did. Bless your heart for trying. I respect you for that. But this is possibly the most flawed testing and measuring that I've ever seen.

[@lausts]

Can you provide a link to better qualified but similar test?

[@rjhoneymoon8229]

Thanks for the video, its a ahame you didn't compare the 2hp to a 2 motor camvac as tthat is a better power comparison. And here in England the 3 motor camvac is around £250 more than a 2hp hvlp and filter 👍

[@ClintonCaraway-CNC]

Just upgraded to a CamVac from a Harbor Freight 1½ horse power to power my Oneida Super Dust Deputy/Wynn Environmental (plenum box) system. The CamVac is f-ing insane... it has at least 10x the suction as my previous system had.

[@Ekrindul]

Alot of hobbyist have mostly 2.5 inch ports, so it would be worthwhile to see a comparison of a camvac to a shop vac. But I'd rather see real world activity than meter readings. Cut some wood and show the dust left behind by each.

[@StockroomSupply]

Good idea! That will be a future video

[@Marcus_Caius]

My only concern with the CamVac is bags availability. This unit should last at least 10 years. Will the bags be available is my concern. I currently have a Craftex 3hp similar setup thern the Rikon. It's noisy but do a phenomenal job at the source. I also had to deal with leaks around the bag. I upgrade the unit to two stage and never replace or empty the main bag. All shavings are dropped into the 70L cannister easy to empty :) Personally I would be interested by that unit for my small CNC. Foot print is a must on that unit.

[@StockroomSupply]

Hey Marcus, While the Camvacs are new to North America they have been made and sold in the UK & Europe for over 15 years and still use the same type filter bags. They have had excellent reviews since their inception so I don't expect them to be discontinued in the near or far future. And yes these do work excellent on CNC machines! Thanks for watching

[@jls1495]

Hello Ethan your getting around 900 CFM but on the cam vac website that extractor is rated at 342 CFM I believe what is the reason for the difference?

[@StockroomSupply]

Honestly I have no idea. The Camvac Im using is no different than any other of the same model. Im using a cheap CFM off Amazon. I don’t think my CFM reader is accurate but it gives a good relative difference between different units.

[@jls1495]

@@StockroomSupply thanks ethan I did find it differcult to believe that mechine was only 333CFM compared to your reading but anyway thanks for answering my question below too, just one more is it ok to run all 3 motors at once and how long would it be ok to run them for ?

[@StockroomSupply]

@@jls1495 yep you can! Record recommends you give the motors a break every 30-45 mins. So you will need to pause every so often with all three running. With 2 running you can rotate motors and get continuous operation.

[@CraigularjJoeWoodworks]

@@StockroomSupply that’s a good point

[@selianboy8508]

@@StockroomSupply you can also get the optional version which auto switches on and off I believe.. I have no idea if this is still the case however!

[@marks4925]

Please tell what the vacme scores are for the Cam Vac Medium extractor. Do a comparison between the large and medium Cam Vacs

[@jimaspinii7579]

Have you done a comparison between a power cmvac and a shop vac?

[@Tilburger72]

Do you use this camvac with a jointer planer machine?

[@StockroomSupply]

Sure can! Check out this video - kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6evoqqAatudaqM

[@104Tomcat]

Thanks for the video! The Camvac seems superior to me, especially as I'm looking to "upgrade" my Rigid Shop Vac/Dust Deputy combo. One thing I'm not finding is how long can the Cam run continuously? Many of my cnc carves take 6-8 hours. I loved your real world comparisons as many of my pipe runs end up being 18 - 20 feet.

[@MaleahAndJoshFunnyVids]

Just posted a similar question 🤦🏽. I spoke to someone at Record Power and they said the run time is 2 hours with a 20min break. I'm considering the triple motor so that you can switch between motors and extend run time

[@jls1495]

Hello ethan I have checked the CFM on mine and have recorded approx the same CFM very odd that camvac only quote I believe around 330CFM I got nearly 900 I wonder how they measure there’s anyway mine in hooked up to a hammer a3 31 and is working well …. I wondered though do you think a simple chip seperater Is better than a cyclone for the camvac I need to get something as the 90lt drum is filling up fast ..I have a dust deputy which works well on my mafell s35m but I am not sure on the camvac wether to go seperater or cyclone I wondered wether I would lose more CFM through the cyclone also wether the cyclone would be ok with the high pressure ? Anyway what would be your choice ?. BTW I am uk based .

[@SibeJanKramer]

I'd like to get to know this as well.

[@harrycallahan4157]

Where do I get a Camvac in the U.S.?

[@StockroomSupply]

You can check with the three USA dealers; the wood turning store NY, turners warehouse Az or Highland hardware Ga. If they don’t have stock we can ship these to the states from Canada pretty reasonably

[@christiangogol6658]

Hi Ethan, thanks for putting together these demonstrations and comparisons. These are so valuable. I've been wondering something and hope you might have some insight. Are you familiar with the Oneida Supercell? How would you compare the Camvac 90L to it?

[@StockroomSupply]

Hey Christian, Thanks so much! I appreciate your comments. I am familiar with the Oneida Supercell though have never had a chance to see or test one in person. In my view the 90L Camvac is to the Oneida Supercell what the Rikon 2HP is to the Oneida V-3000. Both operate at similar CFM and SP ratings though the Oneida has more creature comforts(built in cyclone, bin level sensor and a remote) along with a higher price tag. All these things can be added to the Camvac totaling much less than the Supercell though. I hope this helps! Ethan

[@davecox900]

These two extractors are totally different machines, one is high pressure low volume and the other is low pressure high volume you didn't mention the cam vac only has a short run time I think around 2 hrs per motor continual run as the other will go all day the other thing is the PPM through the filters for MDF Dust

[@johndoe6032]

The beauty of the Camvac is that it’s both high volume and high pressure so you get the best of both. It’s in no way comparable to standard shop vacs. Unless you’re running a CNC for many hours or running a commercial shop almost anyone is going to be fine with the run time.

[@rmTheWalrus]

Came here for this comment. Even though I understand the perspective of the previous comment which said the CamVac “does both”, The machines are for somewhat different purposes and it’s not an apples to apples comparison. As @davecox900 says, the runtime is a HUGE differentiator. For myself I have found I want/need both types in my shop.

[@guitarchitectural]

Is there any chance you could check the Static Pressure on each when the separator is attached? That would be invaluable info to have! Also where did you get that pressure gauge? I think i need to install one of those on my furnace so that i know when to change my filter!

[@StockroomSupply]

I finally had a chance! The separator adds about 2.5” of static pressure on the Camvac & Rikon

[@dfrechettej3v]

Hi Ethan, nice video. If I can ask a favour, what CFM rating do you get with the 2 motor CamVac with the 4 inch and the 2-1/2 inch hoses? Thank you! (I purchased the 2 motor version from Stockroom a year ago)

[@StockroomSupply]

Hey Daniel, I just did a quick measure. Right off the 4" inlet I measured 587cfm. Through a 12' 4" pipe with 3 bends(like this video) 443cfm. And then through my 10' 2.5" hose 51cfm with 1 motor and 145cfm with 2 motors. I hope this helps! Ethan

[@dfrechettej3v]

Yes, it certainly does help! I will likely replace my small Dust Deputy for a bigger model with a 4 inch intake. I'm currently not getting the full value out of the CamVac. Thank you very much for taking the time to test it out.

[@jls1495]

Hello Ethan good reveiw and i watched your video on static pressure i have just downsized my joinery which had a airplants system designed for it as i had some big kit 24" thicknesser ect however i am downsizing and buying much small kit as i used to employ 4 joiners and now there is only me as they have retired so now for instance i have sold off the spindle and replaced it with a Incra router table with the easy clean bottom box with 4" outlet i have also bought a Hammer A3 31 planer thicknesser so in my new small shop i will need to extract those plus at the moment my Kepex 120 is attached to my mafell s25m with the dust deputy cyclone .. do you think i could run one of these 3 motor camvacs to the planer and router table plus also the tools which i currently use on my mafell s25m extractors it seems could also run of it with of course blast gates fitted and only one mechine at a time ? .As far as chip extractors are concerned could i use a larger dust deputy cyclone attached to the camvac or would it be better to get a simple chip collector , i was origneally thinking of getting the Laguna P Flex but this maybe a better solution for my new small shop !. I am UK based so now problem with 240....:) Or do you think i should get the Laguna P flex anyway ?

[@StockroomSupply]

I’d say the Camvac is a great choice for small - medium sized 1-2 man shops. From what you describe I’d say the 3 motor Camvac would handle that just fine.

[@michaelmcglynn968]

Do you really think comparing a 2HP machine and a 4HP machine is fair?

[@StockroomSupply]

I compared them based on cost. The Rikon setup sells for $975 and the Camvac sells for $999. I feel like it was fair to compare them. Thanks for watching!

[@CraigularjJoeWoodworks]

Didn’t you watch the video? it’s price based…. Clearly. So yes, it was fair.

[@akquicksilver]

the bags are a huge hassel and terrible design, but if you just use a couple pieces of tape to hold them in place before fighting the clamp in place, it is much easier and you ususally get a better seal.

[@peterohmart707]

I think you did a mis-justice when you compare a 4 hp camvac Dust Exchanger to a 2 hp dust collector!!! What you need to do compare like hp. 2 hp to 2 hp.

[@StockroomSupply]

It is true! Comparing a 4hp unit to a 2hp unit is a bit unfair. I chose this comparison due to the price range, both units costing about $1000.

[@bobweiram6321]

Sorry, but CFM is the most relevant rating when it comes to dust collectors. For the size and construction, the record is way overpriced.

[@StockroomSupply]

Hey Bob, I definitely agree CFM is the most important reading when it comes to dust collectors! I just think the reading directly off the inlet means very little as most folks have it hooked up to some sort of flex pipe or full shop system. Did you have a chance to watch the final three CFM categories in this video? The Camvac wipes the floor with the 2hp collector. In my opinion it is worth every penny! Thanks for watching!

[@donmcfaul5181]

Hardly a fair comparison. 2hp vs 4 hp, low pressure high volume vs high pressure low volume. At the price of the Canvac it better be superior to a 2hp.

[@stephensinclair9783]

I think your tests on CFM with the bendy hose and the smaller hose are both inaccurate. Not ONLY did you not double the figures like at the start, but the split connection with only one plugged into hoses would cause inaccurate readings. Both would create resistance and the machine would suck more through the open side of connection instead causing the reading to be lower on the resistance side.

[@johnny-jr5iz]

Sounds like your trying to sell the record you must have some kick back in that machine

[@StockroomSupply]

Well everything in that video, the Camvac, Rikon dust collector and NanoMax filter, I sell! So yes I do get a kickback of the Camvac…just like the Rikon and NanoMax 🙂

[@andrewpawson6494]

Lets see the record sucking MDF dust from my CNC router for 8 hours. The Rikon does that every day.

[@davecox900]

How do you get on with the dust off the CNC what filter are you using 1 micron

[@andrewpawson6494]

@@davecox900 I am not sure, the manufacturer states 99.9% efficiency. I have a dust monitor that goes off scale if a small amount of cigarette smoke goes near it. I leave it next to the filter for an hour and it measures the same as the air in the shop after 8 hours of no work. good enough for me!

[@masjabrikdiy8422]

Waooo lathe amazing

[@StockroomSupply]

Thanks!

[@dennisc5080]

Nathan showed just that facts without any human input bias. Maybe than the bag removal and installation was human input, but I believe he represented the difficulty of installing a bag on a dust collector accurately. It is a pain to install accurately . For the most part all test were evenly performed and the facts speak for themselves. Power availability is unique to each buyer so that has nothing to do with test results. Meaning if I have 220v available I might be interested the the more powerful unit. If I don’t then I have to select the unit that works for my voltage. Again the available voltage dictates the selection options available not the unit performance.

[@DKWalser]

While I don't disagree with your overall conclusion, I do think you should have given greater weight to the need for 220v power. In my shop, I only have one 220v outlet. Nor, since the sub panel is full, can I easily add another. This need for 220v would then have two consequences: First, it would reduce any advantage the Record's small size gives it in terms of portability. It's going to be parked next to the 220v outlet in all events. Being small and on wheels is of little use if the thing is tied to the only 220v outlet in the shop. Second, my lathe and bandsaw both run on 220v. Since I never use one of them at the same time, I can easily unplug one and plug in the other. Is it ideal? No, but it works in a small shop. While I don't use my bandsaw and lathe at the same time, I do use each with my dust collector. That wouldn't be possible with the Camvac.

[@StockroomSupply]

Hey David thanks for watching and your feedback! The problem is that I'm spoiled...I have multiple 220v circuits thoughout my shop. But yes you are exactly right if you only have one 220v outlet the portability factor of the Camvac is negated. The 3 motor Camvac runs at 13amps at 220v. Depending on the rating of your 220v circuit(30amp) you may be able to run more than one machine at a time? If its a 15amp or 20amp circuit this wouldn't work. Thanks again!

[@StockroomSupply]

In your situation would a 110v unit that requires a 20amp breaker be simpler to hook up? There is some talk of bringing out a couple less powerful 110v camvacs.

[@tKetcham1]

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[@DKWalser]

@@StockroomSupply Ethan -- I could run a dedicated 20 amp 110v circuit. My current DC is connected to a dedicated 15 amp circuit and the wiring would handle 20 amps. All it would take would be swapping out the breaker. While that would let me use the DC while sanding at the lathe, it would require the Camvac be at the back corner of my shop. There's no real problem with that, since that's where the current machine is located. Again, that negates the 'portability' advantage of the Camvac. As long as it requires special wiring to use it, it's not very portable -- unless the user has lots of those circuits throughout his or her shop space.

[@StockroomSupply]

Thanks David!

[@PNDA235]

what the hell do the ratings mean? "oh this is 80db were going to give it a 5" that rating doesnt mean shit its hardly comparative. 2hp vs 4hp....this video is a sales pitch at best.

[@woodaddict1]

You should have gone for a independent review would have been better

[@StockroomSupply]

There is a review on the 55L Camvac coming up in the fall in Canadian Woodworking Magazine! So watch for that 👍

[@DKWalser]

Sure. But, this is Ethan's channel where he demonstrates the products he sells and answers questions about those products. It's kinda hard for him to provide any kind of independent review under such circumstances. I think most of his viewers appreciate the information he's sharing and understand that it's not free from bias. I know I do. Having said that, he does a great job of pointing out his bias and compensating for it by explaining why he thinks 'x' is better than 'y'. In this case, he was comparing two products. He sells both of them. He prefers one over the other and explains why. To which I say, "Thank you, Ethan. Well done!"

[@woodaddict1]

@@DKWalser you must not understandwhat a independent review is.

[@DKWalser]

@@woodaddict1 What do you mean by 'independent review'? Usually, that term means that the reviewer has no financial or similar interest in the company making or selling the product being reviewed. By this common definition, Ethan cannot provide an independent review of the products he sells.

[@woodaddict1]

@@DKWalser i am not saying his review has no value. I just fell an indepent review would hold more value. He could have waited till Canadian woodworking Magazine put out there review and then contrasted his review with theres. In my opinion KZbin is covered is “AstroTurf” an independent review would make him stand out. You are right he can’t personal do an independent review and that’s the point. He could have give the facts cfm, lose level, Ect. And not given a 1-5 rating. Most people are smart enough to make a conclusion on there own.

[@tomhargreaves8820]

Very poorly done. Leaving both ports open on the Rikon without at least testing both ports with the flow meter was grossly inaccurate. Testing static pressure without blocking the other port of the Rikon was completely useless. In the dB test, you didn't even read the Camvac hoses-off level correctly as it was reading your voice added to the sound level and dropped to about the same level as the hoses-on level when you stopped talking. I stopped paying attention after that. Useless video.

[@StockroomSupply]

To be clear the only time both ports were open on the Rikon was when I was testing raw CFM. During the static pressure test one port was open the other was closed. If you rewatch the video you can clearly see that. I have a hard time shutting up sometimes. Sorry bout that! 😂 Thanks for watching as much as you did!