Stop a Thief? Retrace How it Happened

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[@Crucial929]

from other video: "Hey Tom, Mopar tech here, I have had several stolen HEMI platform vehicles come through the garage in recent years which I had to get re-mobilized and everyone of them appears to be stolen in a similar fashion as your vehicles were. As for the Durango, the culprit removed the radio and dropped the headliner to disconnect and defeat the Cell LTE/GPS system, they do that because they think the vehicle can be tracked which in fact it can not unless federal law enforcement gets involved and issues a warrant for the vehicle data from the Rogers Network LTE providers. They removed the driver side dashboard closeout panel and disconnected the SGW security gateway module up above the hood release and then they removed the passenger side closeout panel to access the CAN-bus star connector behind the glove box and plug into it with there hacking equipment. Once they are connected to the CAN-bus network they can take control of the vehicle with there hacking equipment. And as for the TRX, basically the same process but they accessed the CAN-bus STAR connector behind the left air vent, the green thing you were looking at in the video. In my experience you can reinstall and reconnect everything then program new key fobs and the vehicle will come back to life but in some instances I have needed to replace the RFH radio frequency hub module and KIN keyless ignition node module due to software corruption then perform a vehicle reconfiguration procedure and program new key fobs. Oh and the orange strap inside the Durango center console is the park release cable and the TRX has the same orange strap behind the removable panel to the left of the steering column, the tow truck driver would have likely used them to load onto a rollback. I'm glad your vehicles were able to be recovered! Your dealership should be able to get them brought back to life! "

[@666kty3]

Thanks. Now I know what to do not to get caught stealing Hellcats!!!

[@tracks_5991]

There selling master 2024 dodge key's on the net

[@meme2780]

I don't think he wants to read this information, Getting to many Views as it is and will be Milking it for as long as he can.

[@Crucial929]

@@meme2780 that is the name of the game isn't it ?

[@steven.h0629]

But the question of how did they open the doors to the truck remains an open question, no?

[@joshmiller5516]

Get a ghost immobiliser, the stock equipment whilst being restrictive is designed to be permissive to dealers - the crooks all have devices that emulate dealer machines

[@richierich9761]

This ^ You cant stop them getting in the car so all you can do is stop them from starting it and the Ghost , and other immobilisers that use tags can help . Lots of videos on youtube of Ghost's stopping car thefts

[@hitempguy]

Exactly. Doubly so if towing a trailer, cheap and 100% effective

[@vandettabuilds6641]

My vehicles have switches that I installed that are turned off when I leave my vehicle and the vehicle can't be started without the switch turned on!!!! As simple as that

[@andrewcastiglia9548]

There's even immblizers that can have pedal actuator sensors installed so you use a pedal press sequence as your "key" just hop in and press and hold brake double tap gas long press gas release brake and power to ignition or something like that

[@thevagabond411]

@@vandettabuilds6641 I do the same but use momentary switches to make sure I never accidently leave it on.

[@timlarson9193]

These pricks work pretty hard at not working.

[@SlipFitGarage]

No suspect yet? How can that be? What about the owner (or renter) of the house where the trucks were found? There's your first suspect.... and if that person is not the thief, then I guarantee they know who is.

[@AdamJ09303]

No kidding 😂😂

[@Enjoytheinbetween]

@@SlipFitGarage 1/2 the homes in Detroit are vacant with no owners.

[@LostPilotage]

Lol, these are professional auto thefts, they are not going to park stolen property anywhere associated with themselves or their fencing operation.

[@SlipFitGarage]

@LostPilotage Lol... I've never woke up and found random stolen vehicles parked in my yard that I know nothing about. Have you? Now that I read some other comments and I realize that half the houses in Detroit are vacant, I can see where ditching stolen vehicles at random houses is possible. I didn't realize Detroit was like that.

[@LostPilotage]

@@SlipFitGarage A lot of work has gone into cleaning up Detroit in the recent 1-2 decades for the better. Especially near the redeveloped areas in Downtown. Detroit's East side, except the affluent and heavily policed citie(s) of Grosse Pointe, is still sketchy as can be where these cars were recovered. If you look where "Detroit City Airport" is, that is the East side and a very high crime area, with lots of gang activities and organized crime. This area still has a lot of blight and abandoned properties and yes stolen property, and other criminal activity is often fenced through known abandoned homes/properties/warehouses so there is no direct ties to incriminate. Much the same reasons criminals often illegal distill, or cultivating illegal drugs on public property such as State/Federal land out of sight deep off the path in parks or other land.

[@bobbycuesroadhouse2204]

Ironic how Tom ask all these How to questions and Ram tech went on a 3 page comment answered all his questions?

[@eiccaw]

@tombailey just read ur comments and evething is there 😂 LOL!

[@nymustang5084]

The red/orange flag you say is a Hard drive is a parking paw release for the transmission so it can be put into neutral and towed. Most likely the tow truck operator when picking these up used it since he didn't have the keys.

[@RingTuned]

How to tell Tom doesn't read the comments the top comment on his last video explained absolutely everything perfectly

[@MattyEngland]

You can connect to CANBUS via the OBD2 port, but some manufacturers disable certain features being accessed via the port, hence why they go in to the network at a different point. If you know what signals the modules are expecting to see, you can inject those signals into the CANBUS network and fool the modules into believing the car is being started with the legitimate key. The solution is better security at a software level. CANBUS networks need to be encypted and the modules need to know they are communicating with other legit modules, not a 'man in the middle' with a laptop.

[@v12alpine]

security is soooo bad on these things....almost criminal.

[@rpturbo]

Clearly, co part yards are full of them ​@@v12alpine

[@tabbott429]

@@v12alpine Its likely somewhat intentional to feed the insurance business and dealer profits. "Designed to fail" for service revenue

[@JayMac]

"They're still gonna break your fucking window" 🤣🤣🤣 truer words have never been spoken 🤣

[@bostonsirish1]

Where is the finger print powder /dust ??? The cops didn’t investigate SH@T !! Let’s be realistic!!

[@trippy645]

Possibly arm rest on driver door at the 7:00 mark. Could be dirt though.

[@scottjays360s.johnson2]

That dust f's things up especially if it gets into the instruments. Almost impossible to remove it's presence. Detailing for days.

[@tuck6464]

Finger print and DNA testing would never be used is simple auto theft cases, there would have to have been more serious crimes involved, on top of the auto theft.

[@americanpatriot2.06]

@@tuck6464 Vehicle thefts for these types of vehicles are not simple auto theft. These vehicles are targeted by theft rings and gangs (who control the street takeovers). The problem is there are so many of these groups, the police can't dig deep into all of the thefts without an actual person in custody. Not to mention the socialist assault on our police forces (liberal defund the police BS) makes it even harder with less manning, funding, and capabilities.

[@savage6394]

@@scottjays360s.johnson2 I think its finely ground Carbon. A safe was stolen from a friend's house a long time ago and when the police came and dusted for prints, not only was the places they specifically checked covered in it but you could see where the fine particles landed on the surrounding surfaces, which became even more appearent when you tried to wipe them off.

[@austinschleick1140]

They tried to steel my wide body scat pack charger. Busted out the back window. Re programmed a key and tried to start it. We have a kill switch so they couldn’t start it. My cameras cought then breaking the window and stepping on the brakes to start it at 5:21 am

[@artieaudio77]

Lol it's not the hard drive. Those orange handles are for the neutral. So they can be towed.

[@meagain6665]

The console is the dead battery emergency mode to limp to the house. Some set teen driving modes that are unknown to the drivers.

[@MXstar189]

guess he didn't read the the comments about that on the last three videos 🤣

[@artieaudio77]

@meagain6665 lol, what??? That's to get the vehicle in neutral to be towed. I should know i own a durango and had to be towed, and that needed to be pulled.

[@kevinschaffer4155]

Orange straps are the parking pawl release

[@FinnellRacing]

The dealers should explain all this when you buy a vehicle.

[@edcase3767]

Glad you got them back ! ,I sleep good at night owning a 99 Ford Ranger 2.5L...I could track it down the next morning after breakfast on Horseback 😅

[@countryboy4693]

@@edcase3767 I can't afford much more!

[@stevejones6647]

I have zero interest in owning any of these newer vehicles, especially these “high end” 😂 mopars. Just headaches I don’t need or want. I have a fleet of old stuff that gets me where I have to go without worrying about anyone stealing them.

[@TheCritterWindow]

Back in the day my uncle used the cigarette lighter for a kill switch.

[@mikesilvestri5651]

@@TheCritterWindow that’s a fucking great idea man.

[@turfguy420]

Hell i still do.......

[@91CTD]

Hard to watch this and listen to Tom not know what anything is when its been described in comments on the previous videos by Ram technicians... dude take 20 minutes and read some comments

[@51-FS]

@91CTD can't read every comment.... would take more then 20 minutes... I'm sure he has a lot going on right now and reading comments takes a bit... did he ask if u had helpful information to reach out to him

[@vinceimp9581]

Seems like it's the same day as the previous video so he wouldn't have had comments to read at the time of recording.

[@mikewerkowski9079]

You also should consider that this video was made before the other video posted. 1 day at least for editing seems reasonable.

[@johnbryner9052]

For sure seems like Chrysler would have had a fix by know. Everyone knows it happens, so what is really going on.

[@jamesdunbar1019]

And had to listen to it twice. Thought it was going to be new info, but...No, just a regurgitation of the last one.

[@richardmorton1310]

This old-timey dinosaur here from the day when GM only had a dozen or so different keys for all of their cars, and my 64 Nova Wagon (had a 327/300hp warranted from a Vette back in the day with 4sp M21 Muncie) even had an ignition that, once unlocked, needed no key. I'm still savvy enough to have an overview of Can Bus, but I find the tech astonishing. Thanks for helping give me a better knowledge of the complexity of today.

[@gungadinn]

My first Chevy Suburban had remote door lock opening. I was at a large mall and had never checked the range of the remote. I had visual on the truck, hit the remote, and two other GM vehicles sounded the horn and flashed the parking lights. This was the last time the system remained active. How do you explain to the insurance company that your car was stolen yet no glass was found on the ground where it previously was parked?

[@dbcooperisalive]

The reason this information is kept secret is to protect you! Do you want to tell everybody watching this that anyone can purchase the black market programmer for $29,000? It does sound expensive, but it pays for itself the first time its used.

[@donmelendez69]

Tom obviously doesn’t read the comments.

[@Bumpertrash1]

@donmelendez69 I think this is a second part to the last video recorded on the same day he went to the tow yard

[@donmelendez69]

Ah…that makes sense.

[@Thecleananunseenteam]

Anything electric ⚡ can be manipulated and hacked that's why 🤔 I believe all this key less entry is a bad idea 💡

[@scottsmith5623]

Sad state of affairs Tom… I can remember when I was young how we never locked our cars or our houses. Glad you got your stuff back.

[@hdlivemodels]

It costs $7-$12 to immobilize ANY vehicle with a single simple switch on 1 or 3 different wires. No fancy wifi, bluetooth, or expensive modules with phone apps or subscriptions. The amount of technology a vehicle has means absolutely nothing unless you disable the functionality for it to start and run.

[@RoadGlider505]

More info and less talking would be nice. You repeat yourself endlessly.

[@Car_Cast]

Why on earth would it take for DNA results to come back take a year or two? But man if I smoked a blunt and threw it out my dna would be back in a week or two and be arrested. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@lgun1]

Backlog. It's detroit.

[@JayMac]

@@Car_Cast lmao what? What year do you live in? Nobody is pulling DNA off a blunt for no reason 🤣🤣🤣

[@agro8111]

Not important enough to jump the queue! 😢🤷🏽

[@adamrodgers2377]

My dude this ain't CSI Miami this is Detroit. I willing to bet the only reason he got his Vehicles back so fast is the person who "Found" the TRX is either Kin or Friends of the sorry ass thieves, or helped with Stealing, or maybe I have no trust in 90% of humanity anymore.

[@Nathan-vq9ch]

What's got 4 LEGS & has an ARM? A really really happy Rottweiler

[@donaldpullin385]

The cam buss port is behind the glove box. Thats how a locksmith or dealer writes the key fob. I have Revelco kill switch plug. Compustar t13 with drone gps. Ibalso have a carlock hidden. IGLA is next just so they cant rewrite the keys

[@justinchandler5436]

TOM ... ON YOUR LAST VIDEO I RED A LONG COMMENT BY A RAM TECK THAT EXPLAINED EVERYTHING THEY DID INSIDE YOUR VEHICLE AND WHY THEY DID IT YOU NEED TO DMGO READ THROUGH YOUR PREVIOUS VIDEO

[@gtm624]

Idk the timing of all this. But I was wondering if Tom even saw that comment. That dude explained every single thing going on there.

[@RingTuned]

He doesn't read his comments you're talking about the one that was at the top of the list KZbin automatically made it the number one comment because the algorithm recognized it as good factual information that was being read by every single person

[@AV-cc5wl]

@@RingTunedit was at the top because it had a ton of likes, the algorithm isn’t that smart lol

[@piuthemagicman]

​@@RingTunedhow naive to think algorithms do that. they only do what's necessary to "boost engagement".

[@MeatWeed]

WHY ARE WE YELLING??? Use your words normally yelling does nothing but annoy

[@auschris9296]

tbh this vid was basically useless and pointless i thought a dealer person was gonna go with you and telly ou what happened. this is a redundant video im sorry to say

[@steveshotrodsvideo2950]

No OBD port. They got into the CAN bus port to talk direct with the body module.

[@terrydavis7389]

those orange pull tabs under the dash and in the console are used to put the vehicle in Neutral got towing or maintenance, those were probably used by the tow truck drivers to allow them to get on the flatbed easier.

[@LostPilotage]

I am willing to bet the tow company scuffed the front bumper. Durango is a long boy, and they almost certainly flat bedded the vehicle, it was pulled up tight to the cab guard so they could hook the TRX to the back hoist. Recover 2 vehicles for the price of one tow.

[@formula7414]

@@LostPilotage Agreed, that looks like a winch plate dent to me...100% the tow truck drivers never care when recovering stolen or wrecked vehicles.

[@aSinisterKiid]

Tom, you stop them from taking the vehicles/breaking windows by keeping the cars in a secure setting. I know it sounds too simple to make sense, but thieves go after easy targets. They don't want to put in hard work to get the cars. You need to make it difficult for them to even get to the cars in the first place. You need to make it difficult for them to drive the cars out of the property. You need a good fence and an even better gate. There was a car dealership that thieves tried to steal 3 Durangos from by crashing through the front gate, and the company that made the gate has an incredible design because it destroyed 2 of those durangos crashing into it. The 3rd durango decided to drive around it after it saw the first two get totaled by the gate. You need to secure your properties better with some serious theft deterrent gates and fencing. You need motion detector lights on the entrances and exits that alert camera's to anyone coming and going. Simple steps like this put major obstacles in the thieves way and they look at that stuff as too much effort to overcome and they'll move onto the next spot.

[@woods-garage]

That only works if you don’t drive the vehicle anywhere. I have most of what you mentioned at home, but my 2014 SS was stolen when I was at the gym.

[@aSinisterKiid]

@@woods-garage These cars are being stolen at Tom's home is the same situation as the ones stolen at his shop - he needs to make his shop more protected as well as his home - it's as simple as that.

[@formula7414]

@@aSinisterKiid These were stolen from his house...not his shop.

[@aSinisterKiid]

@@formula7414 Ah I thought they were parked at the driveway at the shop, I misunderstood the phrasing. But in any case, same thing goes for the home as it does for the shop. If he's going to have $100k cars parked somewhere then there needs to be more protection in place. Gone are the days of being able to leave your front door unlocked in your friendly neighborhood.

[@swissmochaj]

They took DNA from my truck and they got a hit pretty quick. Way less than a year. And it so happened one of the peoples DNA was already in jail. The thieves left a stack of signed checks obviously a fraud scheme but never charged them for the stack of signed checks. Tons of donated clothing was left in truck also. Ended up being two tweaker girls.

[@TennKnucklehead]

You obviously don’t read the comments on your videos. They have been a lot of comments telling you exactly how and what those things are for.

[@calvincandie5344]

Actually Tommy g youtube channel just showed how these are stolen just a few weeks ago a really nice in depth explanation as well

[@UnfinishedProjectDartSport]

Customers shouldn’t have to do vast amounts of research to figure out how to prevent having a vehicle stolen. The factory should be doing this before it ever reaches the customer. People keep buying them so there is no incentive 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@DanEBoyd]

I say make booby traps legal!!!

[@dirtywade]

just good info right here

[@380.motorsports]

Tom, first and foremost, to understand your Dodge vehicles and how they work you need a Dodge Electronics Engineer. As a former Ford Engineer I can tell you generically how the Controller Area Network (CAN) works but I’m sure that Dodge has some specific arrangement of modules and related functions. And they may only reveal so much in public. Basically every modern vehicle runs on network data that is transmitted between modules to control almost every function in the vehicle. There is no such thing as a CAN harness. CAN network data is transmitted throughout the vehicle on what are called twisted pairs of wiring circuits. These circuits are part of almost every harness in the car so data can flow where it needs to back and forth. Also, there are multiple CAN networks in the vehicle. Probably at least 2 that are high speed and at least one that is medium speed. Vehicle functions are divided up between these networks based on function type and priority. Typically there is one for powertrain control, one for infotainment/outside communication and one for lesser functions in the vehicle. I’m being real generic here on purpose. Now understand that all the networks have restricted access which is why the OBD port is virtually useless to the thieves. You can only access so much functionality through that connector by design. So what ever module Dodge has located behind that vent panel allowed the thieves to plug ion a surrogate device that accesses part of the network directly. And yes all the different antenna connections are unplugged in an attempt to stop outside communication/tracking. The thieves have very sophisticated modules that can mimic normal signals within the vehicle CAN networks that allow them to make the vehicle function. Take out the original modules, plug in your theft version and drive the car away. If the head of the theft ring spends 5K to have a module made and uses it to steal multiple 100k vehicles I think you see the cost benefit. Just follow FB Marketplace and see how many ads there are for Hellcat engines, interiors, etc. It happens every day. I figured your were gonna get chopped up and were just parked for a few days.

[@380.motorsports]

And unfortunately you can’t just dumb down the vehicle as control modules are necessary for the vehicle to operate as designed. Now you got me interested to research deeper some ways to prevent theft in electronically controlled vehicles. In the meantime you can still add some hidden power cut off devices that prevent starting the vehicle. But, even this has to be done carefully because some modules rely on Keep Alive Power to retain memory in their RAM related to how you use the vehicle. Hopefully someone makes a device for selectively shutting off some of the vehicle power. That’s another investigation project!

[@manicmechanic9117]

So after reading this I am wondering if a small strong box could be clamped over the CAN connection ?

[@380.motorsports]

@@manicmechanic9117 It doesn’t work that way. There are multiple places to hack into the CAN system with the right equipment. Not just the ODB connector. that’s part of the reason the thieves disconnect other vehicle modules. Blocking the OBD port on one brand might help but not on another brand. Not every manufacturer systems is uniform across the board.

[@REALflat1]

The "behind the headlight" is called a canbus injection attack. The theives now know that they can bypass the obd2 port in some cases. They unplug the headlight connector and plug directly into the wiring harness and the respective module. They "tool" used communicates with the other modules and allows the thief the ability to shut off the alarm and basically open the door. Layered security is really the only way to go. Knockout 360 and a handful of other youtubers go more into detail on their channels. IGLA, compustar, carlock, multiple GPS and a secure garage are starting points.

[@hugoletkeman7049]

I’m suspicious if any fingerprinting was done. Unless the techs cleaned up really well after themselves, usually they leave a dusty mess behind.

[@daemonhat]

was wondering that too. years ago i had a truck that matched the description of one used in a robbery and got towed. when i went to pick it up there was fingerprint powder all over the place and took forever to get that stuff cleaned off.

[@johnbryner9052]

They left the backpack that’s evidence. They don’t really care about car theft for some reason

[@FosterFarmsOk]

Looks like we just go back to the steering wheel locks or take all the wheels off at night. car thieves will always find a way to get in and drive off in a car. having an aftermarket relay on the starter cable to disable it from even starting could be the answer.

[@caseychristenson1846]

I’m telling you. Sick. The Club start selling them. 😂😂

[@mr.stonerUDX714]

sounds like educate the FUTURE car thief with this video

[@robertbergman3993]

Why didn't the police keep the backpack for evidence if it's not yours

[@Petemc125]

Because they dont care.

[@aSinisterKiid]

Because there is only so much they can do with it. Once they tested it for DNA (if they even did that) then there's nothing else they can really get from it. They can't get decent finger prints off it and there isn't blood, so unless they find a hair on it then they can't really do much else with it.

[@bobroberts2371]

@@Petemc125 There are 5,000 cars stolen in Detroit every year, That is 14 a DAY. This means , in a 5 day work week police would need to investigate and solve 20 A DAY. Get it now?

[@rollerdragon]

tom, i don't get it... you literally JUST did this video in your last one... you ARE at the dealer... ASK THEM!!! the 'computer part assembly' you keep asking if it is related.. ASK THEM!!! {gawd!! i feel dumb for even suggesting this!}

[@TheMasterofsparks]

I’ve worked at a car dealer (Subaru) for the past 15 years as the electrical diag tech, I think the thieves had to have access to dealership proprietary wiring information to be able to know exactly what to disconnect and what to take apart to get to it. This info is not available to the general public. Every tech has there own password and everything is done with multi factor authentication, any parts having to do with security are linked to the vin# of the car and can’t be used in any other car. Once the vin# is programmed to a part it cannot be changed ever. The green connectors are can bus junctions. The single coax wires in the kick panels are antenna wires for gps or xm radio or telematics systems, on Subarus there are 3 separate antennas, shark fin on the roof and 2 in the dash. Even working on this stuff every day I couldn’t steel one easily, it would take a bunch of research and things would be different for each model car so planning would be required. I’m glad you got your vehicles back without major damage and I hope they catch the thieves. As far as putting stickers saying your vehicle has an aftermarket tracker I probably wouldn’t as your’e just telling a would be thief to be careful and look for it before moving the vehicle. I would just suggest hiding it good and not saying anything. I’m looking at buying one of your hard wired trackers for my 65 C10 can you tell me more about it?

[@billsiegloff2150]

The theives Definitely have inside info through Dodge. Either from the factory or dealerships. Unfortunately they are steps in front of the security that is supposed to protect your investments.

[@MattyEngland]

All the information as to how the system works and locations of modules, is freely available in repair manuals. People need to be able to repair them.

[@bobroberts2371]

You are making the case against Right To Repair laws.

[@roberthawxhurst3717]

I keep thinking of the man-hours a technician will require at a dealership and costs of parts ...... I'm thinking prices/costs will be so high and need to declare it's fixed (won't be an electronic nightmare) .. I'm thinking for a dealer ship to step-up and assume the "repair to as was" that they may total the.$$$$ The degrees of technology, competence and parking them to cool off screams this is a mega large theft ring with dozens if not hundreds involved worldwide..

[@uninstallplz6888]

this is why i wont have keyless entry on a car as it can be cloned by a flipper zero, but what about using a old school style Thatcham 2 transponder immobiliser connected to the fuel pump and put the receiver where you would place your keys in the centre console, as the old style Thatcham immobilisers only have a 4-5 inch range for the receiver/transponder

[@chadhensley6078]

Those straps put your vehicle in neutral when you pull them. There are plates that people make you can put over those so someone can't pop your car in neutral in 5 seconds and roll it away. Thieves can pull those and literally roll your car down the street and work on getting it started there instead of hanging out in your driveway.

[@ptorlina]

Backpack carried all his tools and equipment that he used

[@kevintakalo427]

steering wheel lock? Peddle lock? Wheel boot? big ass chain around a tree? Make a thief work his ass off to steel your rig. They are lazy crap bags. They will just move on.

[@rpturbo]

Maybe a red laser dot that appears Everytime someone walks up to the driver door

[@derekcoor04]

Its a security bypass cable that works with either Alfaobd or taser etc. i have a alfaobd i use for programming key fobs,other stuff in the computer on the vehicle. Get in touch with me Tom Bailey and i can show ya

[@michaeloleary2259]

Sorry Tom..toooo many ads on your videos the can’t be skipped…very annoying,

[@FinnellRacing]

The fact that you don't know what haft the stuff in your truck is says that the car dealership and factory have failed their customers.

[@glenross4308]

Not really. The manufacturers don’t want individuals working on their own vehicles.

[@Evil_Clown83]

With the attention this has received, and news coverage, you can bet the people that stole his cars are watching his updates.

[@sboyle8850]

Very hard video to watch. Need to change the title to. Tom never reads his comments and has no idea what anything is.

[@rcracechannel1636]

They probably used a flipper to steal the RF signal which they used to get into and start them.

[@PapaKennysWorkShop]

Thank you. A true winner is taking the time to take a tragic personal violation into a positive . Anyone who thinks differently well we will leave it at that......

[@andy631]

"So we can figure out how to stop it happening ever again" Good one Tom ! 🤣🤣🤣

[@topgunstony]

A simple battery disconnect would it eliminate everything there’s one on a race car you might as well hide one on your driving car

[@keithpardini9065]

Good idea, maybe a remote to disable the battery that has a hidden, self contained receiver and is not reliant on the car's system or power source.

[@manicmechanic9117]

Yea but you do clear the ECM every time you do a battery disconnect ?

[@NINEWALKING]

Every alarm has sort of the starter disabling system. It does not help. They would just come with a booster battery pack and powered it externally.

[@GiletheCarGuy]

​@@manicmechanic9117No, they are software on chip with solid state memory, meaning it holds onto the info even with out power.

[@Foxfatherracing]

You could keep the ecm memory with a small rechargeable battery DCM should only pull a few hundred millivolts while it is sleeping

[@crowntsp]

get a Male and female connector cut OBD 2 port rewire it that way when you leave the car, you can take the port with you and while you’re at it, you wanna put some kill switches in obviously

[@johnbryner9052]

I was thinking definitely Killswitch if not two battery and fuel pump maybe separate switches but a fake OBD two just screw at least and then the other one really shoved up in the dash it’ll at least give u a small delay

[@leesherman100]

Obviously, whoever did this has full knowledge of how it all works. These people are few and far between. However, someone had to train them on all of this. That someone could quite possibly be a Mopar dealership employee. Mopar Technicians nationwide have full access to this info. Whoever did this was no rookie. I would start looking into dealership employee possibilities as a culprit. This guy{s} has been trained thru the factory system which Mopar uses to train its techs! I wish you luck. They used to hang horse thieves, what happened??

[@hotcolors9455]

This is the same video as the last one. Nothing new, just a bunch of speculation. How about doing a video when you actually learn something?

[@mikegreer9041]

I simply keep my stuff in my barn or garage with security cameras. I mean, I'd put my wife in the driveway before my hellcat.😊 But seriously a nice car like that should be kept out of the weather,in my opinion. Plastics hate sunshine.

[@machduace]

all you have to do is ground the can bus wires and boom whole system is down. simple hidden toggle or a remote relay its pretty simple to crash the can bus and obd wont even read

[@BobWiersema]

That would work.

[@bobroberts2371]

Time 1423 " Why are the shirts gone ? " Lots of stolen cars end up in West Africa ( Ghana ) , those shirts have value there. A Canadian TV station did a couple of pieces on cars ending up in Ghana. They went to Ghana, found cars and contacted the owners in Canada. Hunting down Canada's stolen cars CBC News: The National

[@teetwom8210]

According to RamTRXRacing, thieves are now using a new method involving a repeater box to steal these trucks. Because these vehicles have a keyless entry system, thieves can use that to their advantage by amplifying the wireless signal from the key fob inside the home using "relay theft."

[@jnljnl8485]

The real rub is we all are now paying 150 to 300 for a replacement key for our vehicles that are no more secure than the old real keys and tumblers that was cheap. We are just being ripped off all the way around.

[@SeaMonsterFishing]

Ryan Montgomery was on the shaw ryan show explaining how they can get anything. I believe it's called a skimmer. But it can capture signal that uses a remote.

[@NoGoodNamesLeft]

If you buy that this wasn’t staged to sell trackers I’ve got some ocean front property in Arizona you’ve just gotta see! It’s for sale too!

[@nhra7110]

Thanks for sharing and trying to educate those of us with modern Dodge Hemi fleets how to protect better!

[@EricaMTB]

Two factor authentication is what you want, key and phone. Disable for a certain time when being serviced.

[@aumetalmental8403]

... with that much going on, seems that a dealership knowledge of the vehicles anatomy is definitely involved at some level of the theft 🤔

[@tomebel7149]

Tom I respect what you're doin to educate everyone, but I fear you may also be educating potential new car thieves. Please be careful.

[@eddie3489]

Criminals learn from other criminals! Tom is not teaching them anything they don’t already know or are learning from their criminal friends!!

[@roymceachin7409]

I’m going to guess you’re insurance agent might have answers or the dodge dealer has som good information Tom

[@flyingxfilms2025]

look up how to program ram key without key. plenty of videos on KZbin.

[@AndyFromm]

Hidden remote starter power disconnect. Horn fuse was probably pulled by tow company or cops. My guess is they are able to control all the modules through the canbus. The removed stuff was to prevent tracking & communications with the mothership.

[@mikewharton7821]

Glad you have everything back. Keep on the hunt. See you at Sick66

[@ricknielson8934]

I’m sure the dealership can answer allot of why things were done.

[@gman4409]

Tom why can't you just fit a manual battery isolator and hide it somewhere.... If there is no power to vehicle they can't do anything correct? I know It's sounds old-school but it might stop your cars from getting stolen. G out

[@AdamJ09303]

As soon as these deterrents are on the market for long enough the thieves will find a different way around everything.

[@FosterFarmsOk]

would be better to disable the starter cable. that way the computers will still have power for all the memory but power wont go to the starter. car would act dead but no be.

[@newtonfirefly3584]

@gman4409; @AdamJ09303; @FosterFarmsOk; There have been/are available for decades, are much better means, ways to prevent the vehicle from anyone driving it. These devices, systems are within the category known as "immobilizers". The more extensive types, use multiple means, within every aspect including electronics, electrical power, starting, ignition, fuel. Previously when, they were developed, available over 40 years ago, only the more expensive vehicle owners would invest into such protection. The expensive vehicles then were $70k-250k then. Since inflation-devaluation, the costs, price of vehicles has risen proportionately, along with more apparent wealth, thus a vehicle as these has worth $100k+. However, actually electronics has decreased, relatively and actually [though increases within recent years, with each model-year] Thus, also the means, ways to protect the vehicle from theft as these, via gaining simple entry via electronics which bypass, integrate, intercept, etc. into the electronic control system [without proper integrated immobilzation] become actually easier. As a simple comparison, when the common home began having wireless telephones via radio signal, communication, then the line became easy to connect via a duplicate radio device outside. Thus, it became worthwhile for thief to purchase a more expensive radio with the means to detect the common signal, discover the individual code, bypass the simple protection. The first, best means was to change the radio communication channel type such it cannot be detected, infiltrated by any piece of equipment, thus only via those matched accordingly have the means with communication [frequency hopping - using PN code, which constantly varies - developed for US military radios, implemented over 45 years ago] The concept is similar with modern vehicles too. The best means is using more advance electronics which cannot be detected, infiltrated, blocked, disrupted, interrupted, also all attempts are detected, recorded, with secure transmission to a secure device. Note: a mobile-cellular device has worse security than the modern vehicles - thus should never be used within any security system. Period. My "hunch", expectation, is that someone that has very expensive, rare vehicles, items knows, has precisely the means, ways to protect their items, possessions. No one within these channels, on the 'i-net'-'interwebs' has the basics, basis, knowledge, expertise, to properly protect; perhaps only exposing about common means, methods, ways thieves use, thus the simple vulnerabilities; but never the solutions. Also, a simple tracking device is never sufficient; especially one as described by this channel - needs constant monitor, communication via secure channel. Simple, Period. There are some means with deterrents, which are helpful when the vehicle is within an open, visible area, not for long periods. As stated within another comment, the only means to protect the items, vehicles is within a secure environment, around and within home, building, structure, along with each vehicle, unique, special, valuable items too. The realities within life, reality, degradation of society, values, morals is clear, obvious, certain. Simple. Period. @TomBailey; @Tom Bailey; These videos are interesting, informative, expressive, somewhat useful, worthwhile, valuable. However, though my age is about half of generation older, my awareness, knowledge with thieves, theft, means of protection, deterrents, security, electronics, communications, etc. is far more extensive. The events, theft with the truck from the shop, these two vehicles from the home driveway are clear indications of personal lacking, naivety, awareness, knowledge, which was similar 40 years ago within the public. My expectations is that You would have developed much more awareness within detection, protection, security, systems as Your business, involvements have developed, increased, expanded, as would normally be necessary. A camera, which records, at most is only useful for monitoring, capturing the events, but not detection, protection, security unless the recording has full means within the active monitoring to achieve detection. It is useful for review after the event(s) to notice some details which may be useful to detect, identify some details, individuals, bypass, infiltration, etc. In addition, if a vehicle was stolen, taken from a shop, as seen by the posted videos, certainly the owner would be expected to evaluate all of the details, issues, vulnerabilities, means of entry, access, theft, especially with a security expert. Then, proper means, equipment, systems would be implemented at the shop. Additionally such discussion with a proper security expert would lead to a discussion about, within other locations, shops, home, items, vehicles, etc. This would be expected especially with the personal knowledge of the planned, ordered valuable to expensive, unique vehicles purchased within the time period since then too. Hopefully, this event with theft will lead You'All to a more proper, full, extensive discussion, development with a security expert. Most of You ideas are clearly insufficient, limited, improper, invalid, including these oversimplified 'tracking devices' lacking proper tracking, security, use with insecure mobile-cellular devices-communication, etc. The reality should be obvious [as to me] the only means to have a full detection, protection, security with any vehicle within any age requires a well designed, advanced electronics system encompassing the entire vehicle, all means with detection, protection, disable each, every, all operation, functional systems, which a custom, private, customized, remains private, secure, with proper secure communications, power. Some external indicators, including simple stickers, notification, loud sound, extensive lights, etc., upon detection can be useful, helpful, beneficial as deterrent when in an open, visible, public area. Else the location must be secure. Simple, Period. In all cases, with all possessions, items, valuables, some unique, special, etc., our attitude, view, perspective, perception, thus responses, reactions, should be positive, beneficial, are important, essential, vital, critical. Among all we need a proper awareness, connection with Our Creator, Almighty, Master of All that causes all existence including every detail, aspect within each, every, all events, occurrences, situations, circumstances, problems, issues, challenges, difficulties, etc. -> All is within and for Good - within each tiniest aspect, detail, moment, etc. All The Best, Sincerely :-)

[@boom3198]

Coming from a computer background - I'm wondering if you can make a box that does a differential check on a couple of things i.e. both of them they removed the radio computer that houses the main gps and such...well if you can tap a couple of those modules and have them monitor those lines for when they become unplugged (resistance goes to open circuit) or other things they are using in this hack really, then trigger a relay to cut power to ignition and fuel and send power to the horn. they wont be able to start it and it will be all out screaming. even add a second horn under the rear bumper away from where the main horn is so they just say F that I'm out. With that you could also make a LE bluetooth proximity automated switch or even one with NFC (like tesla's key card) that would again control and arduino to shut down ignition and fuel unless the card is present.

[@hooligansrcadventures3729]

They could have also used a flipper zero type device. They could drive by or walk by your house and get a digital copy of your key. Even at a gas station, you only need a minute and could do it without you knowing.

[@BobWiersema]

Ever use a Flipper? It has to be in direct contact to read the transmitter. And most cars use a floating algorithm so the code is only valid once. They simply swapped in a ECM on the wiring harness. It's been going on as long as cars have been computer controlled. The keyless system just saves the step of busting out the key switch.

[@jrjames9106]

Spending as much money as cars cost today, we shouldnt have do the manufactures job , they need to do a better job securing the vehicles we spend a fortune on

[@88SherryLynn]

If a car gets stolen, the manufacturer gets to sell another new one. Not much incentive to make these cars theft proof. It borderline that the manufacturers are in on it. I'd bet a lot of money that they have the technology to eliminate the theft problem.

[@novanut1964]

make autos safe again

[@scioli700]

Stealing cars and eating cats 😂

[@xx11seczxx]

The red strap looking thing is the transmission release for neutral. Tow truck driver likely pulled those

[@george1la]

Excellent questions and reasoning. Also, I really like that you are out to help others and what happens. Crucial 929 knows the game. Just like that. You knew you have people with this knowledge. This is such excellent use of your ability. I just had someone not steal my 1969 Chevy van, but, egg it multiple times, and the last two times let off a fire extinguisher inside. Have you ever seen that? It is a nightmare and I am 77. You cannot believe what it takes to clean it up and no insurance coverage on that. Lots of people get their cars stolen. Any way you can help people understand how to prevent any of it is a public good. After all, as in racing, Knowledge is Power, that is why in racing there is data collection. Keep up the good work. I watch all of your and Steve's videos. They are so informational.

[@deanfischer3402]

Trust me they did not fingerprint those cars. I was involved in many printed vehicles and you can tell if it was printed. They do not clean up after printing. Did they print YOU or anyone you know to have been in the vehicles? They need to be able to eliminate all known prints. Looks like they are not interested in working hard on this. One reason why is prints can only prove that a person was in the vehicle but no proof that they stole them. It's a misdemeanor charge at best.

[@cjespers]

Thanks for all you do for all us motor head folks. We love ya Tom.saying. I have the hack rf device. It can do some interesting things. Might look there.

[@SICKIX]

Pull the fuel relay, or install hidden kill switch. Plus Multiple Air tags/smart tags hidden inside and outside car. Anti RF bags for your key fobs in the house.

[@daltonhayhurst8501]

Good morning tom.

[@kujonyanthawa594]

year for DNA😆

[@russellridge8623]

Dealer may be able to find mileage when you parked. Then when found. Wonder if they went to one of the street takeovers. Doing burnouts and doughnuts. Where is Bob?? Did they steal him too? Hasn’t been on videos in months. Still working for you?

[@GrayMatterBBC]

A starter killswitch and tracker is the best start! 10 years ago I had a motorcycle alarm system that would chirp and flash when someone came within a perimeter! Also your phone or fab would notify you! Maybe bring back some older tech! RF signals are dangerous because they can be cloned!

[@bovineknievel410]

The reason the alarm didn't go off until the police found it was done on purpose. The culprits live or work close by and want to know if someone is messing with the vehicles while they are parked. I would look real close at the business across the street where they were found.

[@chadshaw7062]

Tom, go watch the video Tommy G put out about the #1 car theft guy in the country, the guy explains in detail how he does it. Basically uses a modified Flipper zero.

[@-joe-davidson]

You can see the GPS antenna on the roof. That's why they pulled down the liner and ripped out the wires. Harman Kardon is the brand of entertainment system in the vehicles. Those systems have satellite connection for navigation and streaming... That's why they pulled them out.

[@JuliaEdwards-j6l]

Your videos are not just content, they are real intellectual food. Thank you for your creativity and efforts!❔😙🌈

[@notthunderr4069]

Guessing the OBD is no longer an option and now the Canbus is the new hack. Guessing the TRX gps stuff didn't get done untill it was at its destination. Seems like the Faraday box is good. Seems like hammer to the glass or the little pump air bag gets you in. Horn fuse kills sound, canbus disconnect and hook to their controller must kill the alarm. Would think some sort of metal lock around the canbus connector keeps it in the driveway. Need the boys at Motion to make a Rife Asshole detector sensor and connect that to the Train horn from the milk truck and Boom problem solved. Seat weight sensor hooked to the fuel relay with cell phone arming with your gps tracker with a trigger for low fuel pressure on a remote horn hidden. Add sick stickers. Or paint bomb spray triggered by the canbus disconnect with spray nozzles like fire suppression like that Kennau reeves movie with the bus. Driveshaft sensor for motion hooked to pepper spray aimed at driver with fuel shutdown and pre recorded audio playing "Youre DONE" and gps tracking with door lock activation. Damn genuis Gump, driveshaft sensor to your gps box and fuel cutout might be good with cell remote activate on a seat weight sensor.

[@henkoosterhof5947]

I am dutch(=blund/bold) with all respect but: the police has to find out if: A: do we have someone who s car is stolen? B: a scammer who is trying to ... the insurence. First they have to find the car. Than they can check for dna etc. If not found: Are you the scammer that dumped the car somewhere and showed a double sets of keys??? Used the thief so much protective clothing that no dna etc could be found? How to protect? At the moment a system is found out and on the market there are .... who want to prove they can beat it. A mechanical shut off on an unsuspected hided place to start/stop the alarm? I usually drive ,,joe noboddy,, cars no one wants to have. Live in amsyerdam city. They got vandalized but never stolen.

[@johnmarks7243]

Those orange strap loops are not hard drives. They are pull straps to get the vehicles into neutral when the for towing or if the battery is dead and your electric shifters wont work

[@vinmandich7756]

Tom they have multiple avenues my son is a computer wiz with that I dabble in building electronics circuit design you can piggyback the system but the GPS has to come out with a hack job a real good system walk up clone key plug into odb and a couple others drive off leaving GPS attached and rerouting signals