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[@dracologicalgaming8322]

The fact that this is unironically better than a high budget duel is crazy

[@sambutton8494]

Cope

[@Dominated001]

@@sambutton8494 what a lack of self-consciousness

[@CharCharYT24]

@@sambutton8494 you're dumb

[@userJohnSmith]

But it's not, like at all.

[@CharCharYT24]

@@userJohnSmith get out, Disney lover. If you think the Disney era of star wars is good, you need mental help.

[@angelmartinezrivera6825]

Kylo Ren had more experience fighting and using the force before fighting rey, idk why he didn't dominated her in that fight

[@triggeredt0177]

Kylo was bad because of "The message"

[@tyrfang]

He HAD taken a bowcaster shot to the gut like 10 minutes earlier, a weapon that took out two grown men at once. He was wounded, and he was wounded BAD. But it was also Rey, no one was going to write that she lost.

[@UnicornGuru]

Plot armor. The strongest armor ever made.

[@devinpendergast9277]

Rey used the farce

[@Im-Not-a-Dog]

Because shes a Skywalker....and hes just....wait a minute....

[@Akhelium]

Not to mention that Kylo WAS trained. And by Luke no less. The "They're both unexperienced" never made any sense. EDIT: For the people making excuses about this, no, none of them make any sense. There's absolutely no reason for kylo to behave like he never held a sword in his life after being trained since youth, wound or no wound, trained by luke or trained by whomever. Stop making excuses for bad coreography. Disney deffenders are wild lol.

[@TheRealMaruki]

I like to imagine that he refused to use Luke's training. It fits the story.

[@pupper5580]

The explanation: Kylo had been drinking before the fight

[@ludovicocalvetti1250]

@@pupper5580 his whole turn to the Dark Side was just a very long bender

[@theoriginaltoast420]

That's because it's pure copium, ingested on behalf of Disney

[@ruanpingshan]

When I saw it in the theater, I assumed that Kylo had zero hand-to-hand combat experience, and had only used his lightsaber for intimidation up to that point. I was pretty disappointed when it was later revealed that he had previous training.

[@someguy1ification]

In the episode 7 fight... What gets me is that Finn uses the lightsaber (kind of? It's been a while) like an actual sword and gets trucked. While Rey uses the lightsaber like an idiot and wins.

[@theogee_officialch]

That's a Mary Sue for ya. And people wonder why Rey is disliked as a character

[@olp3850]

He doesn't really use it like an acutal sword though. He swings it like a baseball bat. But that still doesn't excuse why kylo didn't win over rey

[@Blacktoothoneil]

@@olp3850 still probably better than whatever the hell rey was doing, at least you can get a lot of power with a baseball bat like swing and edge alignment doesn’t matter because it’s a lightsaber. But in general fight choreography in all the Star Wars sequel trilogy sucks sadly.

[@weareharbinger914]

The power of ovaries. And Kylo letting her close her eyes in the middle of a fight without doing anything.

[@tedharris7105]

What's more annoying is the fact that the entire slash to his back was basically just a small cut and not more severe. We're talking about weapons hotter than the surface of the sun! He'd be barbecued by that

[@greyngreyer5]

The "inexperienced" being a narrative point falls apart especially because of how the royal guard are portrayed

[@pitjrcraft2252]

Royal guards… you mean Snoke’s team of ballerinas?

[@fredbyoutubing]

That's the second movie. In the first, Rey is inexperienced and Kylo took an f-ing explosive bolt in the guts and is losing blood.

[@Batbraker36]

​@fredbyoutubing Yeah but the guards are experienced and their coriography is trash

[@bradykenny5485]

We Star Wars fans don’t defend sequel trilogy duels… they’re all bad.

[@meyer6891]

We don't defend anything sequel related. Actually, we despise it.

[@bradykenny5485]

@@meyer6891 agreed

[@isaiahallen5097]

Correction: what's the sequel trilogy? We all pretend like it doesn't exist, right? Bc it shouldn't exist

[@monsmann7447]

Thank you very much, don‘t know how taking something from Part 7-9 could be credible, such a shitshow. Plus 4-6 is really old, not that 5 and 6 had bad fighting scenes, Part 4 is just really Slow in obi wan vs vader

[@hallowus7544]

Agreed

[@c_rem6101]

I agree. Portraying Inexperience ≠ Bad choreography it just means the action has to look raw and frantic the way a novice would act. The actors can sell this feeling(that's their job) along with the movements Tl;dr the sequels suck

[@sharogengaming7716]

Fight choreography is so much fun, but so few put the time and effort into the practice (usually because the schedules of everyone involved just don't allow it). Hayden Christensen is a rare example. We also have the issue that they arent filmed the way action shots should be filmed.

[@oscaranderson5719]

they have too many cuts for the audience to orient themselves at all, and that’s either ‘cuz the actors didn’t make shots that were usable in long takes or whoever was editing was trying to be too artsy. personally I’d guess the latter since there were other fight scenes that weren’t this discombobulating.

[@sharogengaming7716]

@oscaranderson5719 yeah you really need your cinematographer and editors to be on the same page with action. Or have actors so good you can just hang out in the wideshots watching everything the way they used to do Jackie Chan/Jet li/Bruce Lee movies.

[@harrisonwalker8985]

Prequels also had some really good hema fighters for the choreography

[@sharogengaming7716]

@@harrisonwalker8985 And the BTS is even better. There's a bunch of content that was cut from those fights.

[@Methodology__]

It’s literally their career

[@kagesquier2038]

I like how this is the best light saber fight since Disney got control

[@scorpionroy4591]

Are we talking live action only? Ashoka vs Maul in clones wars season 7 is the best we got for Disney.

[@petrpodskalsky1785]

It's good, but no, this is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3LdimVueJ2Gr8Usi=ycU4yVSikg7p4GnN Edit: it seems the link doesn't work, but the video js called 'To the death' by corridor

[@juliusnebulus7303]

​@@scorpionroy4591yeah, but that wasn't really disney, that was filonis team, they just were owned by disney, but made Clone Wars even before disney. So it doesn't really count.

[@amirshlomolavan]

LightSABER? There has been no blade, sword or saber since disney. Glowstick. Glowstick squabble

[@Dazzle_Novak_]

Any fight from shows or animation is better than sequels: Every fight from Rebels, Ahsoka vs Maul from TCW S7, Ahsoka vs Morgan, Baylan, Anakin, Din vs Gideon, Sabine vs Shin, Kenobi vs Vader - every duel is better than sequels.

[@remiwelch6234]

Thank you for this. Inexperienced fighters have a distinct appearance, and you almost never actually see it in media

[@limarien6405]

The later films really should have given Rey a saber staff. She was experienced at fighting with a staff.

[@PizzaWarrior29]

How can people have the audacity to call Kilo an inexperienced fighter? He is an ex padawan, trained by Luke Skywalker himself, and the apprentice of a sith lord. The choreography in the fight featuring him are an insult to his character. And no, just because Rey is inexperienced doesn't excuse him to fight like he has never held a light saber before.

[@Manoonen12]

Rey is the inexperienced one though

[@MonkeyLuffy-gb3fm]

Because rey is an unexperienced on everything. First fight of kylo vs rey, rey has learned absolutely nothing. So if kylo did not beat her it means than he is unexperienced too. Honestly a padawan of the clone wars can beat in a duel kylo and rey. Plus in star war it does not matter the midiclorian count I mean it matter but is noth like dragon ball the you must have a equivalent or superior midiclorian count for defeat your opponent. Midiclorian count can help but it does not matter if you are not trained and have disciplina and experience. So kylo shoul easy overkill rey even with the shot than receive by chewbacca. Remember than if you use the dark side pain just make you stronger. Cause the porpuse of the dark side is dodge the death. So even with this being said it does not make sense than kylo loses. Rey is a palpatine but what she has no train, no experience, has nothing. While kylo is a skywalker which than say a lot received train from luke skywalker most powerful jedi ever in the galaxy.

[@sebastianfontanez1081]

​@@MonkeyLuffy-gb3fm No, Kylo has the experience, the writers were just so horrible at their jobs that they somehow decided that the guy with all the experience, who was trained by one of the most powerful beings in the universe, and is descended from The Chosen One, should somehow lose to the woman who had never held a lightsaber in her life until like 20 minutes earlier

[@sebastianfontanez1081]

@Zer01nput Luke canonically had years of experience piloting a ship made by the same company who makes the X-Wing, the company made both ships with identical controls, hence him choosing the ship he actually had the ability to pilot. And even then he hardly outmaneuvered Vader, Vader spent most of the battle going after others, then when Luke actually got close to the exhaust port, Vader went after him, blasted him directly, with R2 even catching fire, and was about to destroy Luke before Han saved him. Luke went most of the battle with no one firing on him outside of automated defenses whenever he got too close, and the moment someone actually came to fire at him personally, they succeeded and nearly ended him then and there before outside interference saved Luke. Then Obi-Wan gave him some Force ghost guidance to help him properly fire the shot, which didn't even _need_ the Force, since other pilots were expected to make the shot without any skill in the Force. There was no dogfighting, there was just Luke flying side to side down a trench, like he did during his entire life in a canyon back on Tatooine, while he got hit and was about to die. And Anakin had spent much of his life attemtping to prepare to win a Podrace, meaning he has to have become familiar with piloting using different controls. He got dragged into the battlefield by the ships autopilot while he familarized himself with the controls, before R2 deactivated the autopilot. Then, once autopilot had been deactivated, he got blasted in no more than 2 minutes, which shot him into the Droid Control Ships hanger, at which point he attempted to defend himself from the approaching Droids and shot an integral part of the ship in the process. Meanwhile Rey literally had absolutely no experience with lightsabers, or _anything_ similar, only ever using her staff thing. And yet she managed to both directly overpower Kylo, the grandson of The Chosen One, in the Force, and match his attack. Kylo had been trained by a much more experienced Luke Skywalker _and_ Snoke, he had spent years honing his skill, and she defeated him completely. She somehow overwhelmed him in skill, physical power, _and_ power in the Force, before getting out completely unscathed. Both Luke and Anakin barely made it out of their respective situations, and they did it with damage to both their ships, Rey got out of that lightsaber "duel" with zero injuries and a total victory. It would've made more sense if that _wasn't_ Anakin's lightsaber, but rather a dual-bladed one, more closely resembling her staff. Then she would've had some experience to draw on like both Luke and Anakin did, instead she somehow gains the skill and power to match Kylo. Kylo should've bodied Rey as hard as he bodied Finn once he got serious. He should've decimated her nearly as completely as Vader decimated Luke in Empire. Both Luke and Anakin had legitimate reasons as to why they were able to do the things they did, and even with those past experiences to draw on, they still nearly failed. Rey had no reason, experience with the correct tool, or ability to accomplish what she did, and yet she did it with total success.

[@sebastianfontanez1081]

@Zer01nput She runs from Kylo at the start, while blocking all of his attacks, and then when Kylo has her at the edge, she closes her eyes while Kylo watches her meditate for whatever reason, at which point she pushes him back and proceeds to completely destroy him in combat. I'm not misremembering anything, I literally rewatched the scene to make sure I wasn't wrong before even commenting. When Luke went up against Vader, someone with more experience than him, he lost, _badly._ And note, that during the Trench Run, the only person you see shoot at him is Vader, no one else actually goes for Luke, besides the automated defenses, they go for the other pilots until Luke is one of the few left alive. And Luke was about to be destroyed until he got saved by Han. He didn't go up against someone that had more power and skill in the Force than him, we saw that when he did, the Force couldn't save him. I don't think anyone would mind if Rey had _any_ actual experience to draw on that could match the skill Kylo's aupposed to have, instead she pulls mastery over the Force that surpasses Kylo's right out of her ass, she pulls skill with a lightsaber surpassing Kylo's out of her ass, and she pulls enough physical strength to completely overpower Kylo, who at that point is being flooded with pain which thanks to the Dark Side makes him stronger, you guessed it, right out of her ass. Luke and Anakin both did what they did thanks to previous experience, and we've seen multiple times that whenever either of them went up against someone with more skill or more power, they lost badly. When Rey does that exact same thing, she either wins, gets out of it with insignificant injuries at worst, or both. And mind you, if you have an outside source that gives a good explanation as to why Rey managed to overpower and outmatch Kylo, I'd love to hear it.

[@enderfire3379]

Its one thing to trash on a scene. Its another thing to give constructive crtiscism for improvement. You did the second one here and im grateful for that

[@timstinies9519]

Thank you thank you thank you!!! I was a professional stuntman for awhile and for the most part…I HATE Hollywood fight scenes

[@kairasendo1175]

Thing is, REY is inexperienced so her swinging wildly makes a bit more sense. Kylo has almost 20 years or something like that of training. He should be moving like a prequel character.

[@MarshallLeeFlames]

I mean, canonically? Yeah. But seriously? If Kylo moved like half of the speed of Obi-Wan/Anakin against Rey, she's cooked there and then.

[@pitjrcraft2252]

Rey also had experience during her time in Jakku scavenging with that staff.

[@kairasendo1175]

@@pitjrcraft2252 A staff of much different than a sword. Very different momentum, weight distribution, pretty much everything. Being good at one weapon doesn’t make you good at any weapon you pick up.

[@pitjrcraft2252]

@@kairasendo1175 yes, your claim does make sense, though I still wonder why Disney made lightsabers look like they weigh 400 pounds. Yes, I am aware that the lightsabers seem heavier if you don’t own it, but still, according to Disney logic, Rey was very much worthy of wielding a lightsaber, especially since she is a “Skywalker”. So, her swinging wildly? Sure, makes sense, but her swinging as if the saber weighs more than CaseOh, doesn’t really make sense. See what I mean?

[@Rooks994]

@@kairasendo1175 I do believe spear and sword, do I use a sword like a spear does it work? Hell yeah, just whacking someone with a giant wooden pole, just about a foot taller than me I’m about 5 foot damage but it doesn’t fully translate ray should have had a little bit of experience that somewhat translates but not fully but even with that she still should’ve been dominated and murdered in that scene

[@santividal9387]

You did a good version ngl. Wven with that said, I have something to comment: Kylo Ren is no sort of untrained fighter. He qas Padawan of Luke Skywalker himself and was trained in the dark arts by Snoke (a Palatine puppet himself). So yeah, even if Chewie had really hurt him with that shot, Kyli would still be 100092838% more good with the sword than Rey

[@PeterSolerom]

I was in a softcombat group for 10 years. I'm sure I know how an unexperienced fighters duel looks like. It is much much MUCH less dramatic. They usually hit each other at the same time. No defense all attack or a little bit of back steps

[@fiendfi7119]

this choreography was meant to be a fight between an experienced fighter and an inexperienced one. the other guy *really* doesn't wanna double so he's respecting the aggression. watch the full video if you haven't already.

[@Gerritch]

I love the cheeky dodge roll you added in there 😂

[@FrozenKnight21]

Its all good, rei has a death aura, she can kill her enimes without even looking at them or attacking them.

[@NoriKassidy]

Is this sarcasm? I legitimately cannot tell.

[@FrozenKnight21]

​@@NoriKassidy if you watch her fights when she is being attacked by multiple enemies, they just fall without her even looking at them or swing at them. So, ya, its part sarcasm, part disappointment. Disney gave almost no care to the swordplay in the movies. At Lucas Arts had the excuse with the first 3 releases that they were still learning the art, but by the prequels they had figured it out and had it down. Disney threw everything they learned away, and made their own movies assuming no one cared and would just rake in the money. Hopefully, they are beginning to learn.

[@luke-il5nr]

I mean it's pretty bad, but when compared to their fight against snoke and those red guards, it looks like a masterpiece

[@El_Bellota]

The problem wasn't that rey was swinging, is that it was working.

[@liamlohrbach]

No, the reason this fight sucks is because we're talking about the star wars SEQUELS. I do agree that that is not what an inexperienced fighter would look like tho.

[@captainjester7133]

The lightsaber fights in the last three movies when they existed we're definitely the worst in the entire franchise by light years

[@TheBestBirb]

The dark souls roll lmao

[@Geekoraphic]

Lightsabers while NOT WEIGHTLESS are still pretty light, the heaviness as explained in the mandalorian comes from the mind of the wielder, in the time of the Clone wars jedi had a very strong force connection to their sabers, striking gracefully in unison with their saber, however later wielders would fight wildly with Harder, less calculated blows which made it seem heavier due to what's known as "fighting against the blade" however Luke did this in the ogt in his fights which were great meaning that's no excuse for the sequels fights to be bad.

[@TobyCooke13]

It's cause disney made that fight

[@TobyCooke13]

I don't hate I'm just saying the other ones are better

[@nthesage]

@@TobyCooke13 to be fair episode 7 was just a lazy reskin of A New Hope

[@fearlesspotato3429]

You never get quality if it is made by a committee.

[@Blimbus-Blombo]

I’ve heard that if a committee were to try and invent the horse what we’d get is a giraffe.

[@sethleoric2598]

Ngl, watching the sequel trilogy and getting into learning about historical fightig really made me appreciate a lot of the fight scenes in the prequels, especially when you find out the coordinator put work into it

[@betterlatethannever4529]

If I remember correctly they needed the actors to slow down for the camera because they trained so hard that going through the routine was easy

[@theshadow5200]

Kylo was trained by Luke skywalker and palpatine he shouldn’t be inexperienced with lightsaber duelling especially cause I would like to think that palpatine would have given him some brutal training to fully test him

[@hibarikyoya854]

Except it's states he is still learning in that movie plus he was shot by Chewbacca idk many people who'd be in tip top condition after taking which is extensively a shotgun shell to the stomach

[@doofuscawt]

@@hibarikyoya854 all he had to do was stab.

[@cozyluvjo8104]

I had more entertainment in the 5 minute choreography you made than anything I’ve ever seen from Disney

[@beaksters]

He’s right it is just straight up better.

[@owendiaram3870]

My favorite star wars choreography moment is when one of the Palpatine's elite guards stands at ease during a fight.

[@DARKStormCod]

Well Kylo does has a disadvantage with his lightsaber having 2 extra blades Idk what people expect when your not trying to cut your own head off.

[@SuperWaffles-i3k]

a cross guard is not a disadvantage

[@zacharybuckley7378]

💀 the cross guard saber is an advantage dude don’t worry

[@Gl1tchy_B01_09]

@@SuperWaffles-i3k it's a disadvantage if it'll cut your hand off in a single touch

[@Gl1tchy_B01_09]

​@@zacharybuckley7378How is it an advantage?

[@user-se9fb8cr9o]

@@SuperWaffles-i3k A cross guard on a regular sword is an advantage but since a lightsaber works differently from a real blade it doesn't offer the same advantage the cross guard on a real blade would. The advantage (or at least one of them according to google, correct me if I'm wrong) to a cross guard is to keep your hand from being fucking cut off, and that advantage is lost when your cross guard is going to cut it off for you.

[@seirramoon388]

As I have said many times before, my favorite lightsaber fight is Mauls final fight with kenobi from Rebels.

[@treykeith652]

The Prequels Had BALLIN Choreography

[@danielmatthews4234]

The only good star wars movie lightsaber battles were from the prequels. I will DIE on this hill.

[@fredtheted3530]

I agree. Despite its massive amount of empty hits (hits that don't actually target the human body and moreso aim for each other's sword), it makes up for it with pure, intentional but still somewhat cohesive and organized speed with also a great music score, or even none at all.

[@thekingofcats5]

This is completely true for the sequels of star wars, but if you look at the prequels you'll see that Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen got plenty of good choreography, they actually had to learn fencing

[@a.b3428]

Not to mention they spent hours getting every block and swing perfect to make it as fantastic as they could, when it reached their final duel on Mustafar.

[@Anakin_Skywalker-s4b]

Plus, you can’t forget about mace window versus Palpatine that had a good choreography,

[@a.b3428]

@@Anakin_Skywalker-s4b Only problem with that is that part before when 3 jedi masters are killed within 30s

[@spicyman6006]

Watching the untrained fight is like knowing it's the right idea behind it, but lacking the focus

[@Caminopoi66]

This channel has been my most recent favourite channel. Interesting. entertaining, and does really good sword content.

[@thor8606]

Absolutely using this among other of your videos for tips on fight choreography for the fiction I'm making

[@daveburklund2295]

Wow. I have never thought it through how characters woukd actually act given yheir skill level.

[@avidday2148]

People also seem to forget. Lightsabers don’t have weight besides the hilt which maybe weighs 2 lbs and they don’t require leverage or force behind the attacks. Swinging a lightsaber is absolutely nothing like swinging a blade, and thus should not share fighting styles of blades.

[@cartercollier2607]

I don't know many people who would defend those scenes, let alone those movies. Frankly there was far lower hanging fruit in the very next movie during the fight with the red guard, they had to disappear one of the redguards knives because otherwise he was in prime position to shank rey uncontested.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Indeed

[@jelibeans7181]

I mean, they are both inexperienced, but that’s a solution they should’ve used. Heck, some Monty Python sword fighting would be better

[@sirspoonkm.]

I do like how kylo swings his saber like its way heavier than that of a normal sabe (because it is)

[@bravenkirok3142]

The heaviest a steel sword should realistically be is 6 lbs. And that's a giant 6ft two hander. Anything heavier and you couldn't control it very well. Lightsabers have been shown used in one hand easily so they likely wouldn't be more than 2 lbs each. It would be illogical for Kylo's lightsaber to be heavy and hard to use

[@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight]

Lightsabers really don't benefit much from being heavy. They're supposed to be able to melt anything through sheer contact, meaning that even a mild touch could be debilitating, causing 4th degree burns and much worse the longer your flesh touches the plasma. Making it almost too heavy/unwieldy makes it harder for the user to do all the quick bladework that they're supposed to be able to do with it. And besides, it's already been established that normal lightsabers can cut you cleanly in half through normal swing speed, so a claymore style lightsaber can do the same job but worse due to being harder to control.

[@redblade5556]

@@bravenkirok3142 the heaviest swords become is 10lbs+ a little, no more than that.

[@bravenkirok3142]

@@redblade5556 you speaking to the exceptions to the standard in a flimsy attempt to prove me wrong? I know the weapons I study with and I know fencing. 10lbs would be unusually heavy. Perhaps you should spar with it and see how long you last vs a 3lb sword? It's impractical regardless if it exists.

[@redblade5556]

@@bravenkirok3142 no I ain't proving you wrong, it's just that as armor is tailor made for those that commission it, so would swords be.

[@XxSZxX777]

Never defend those type of organizations. They have beyond time and resources to nurture and create outstanding works of art only to be blinded by money.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Agreed

[@afinoxi]

Bro even did the dark souls roll

[@Taywi]

When critiquing this fight people often forget that Kylo took a lot of damage getting shot by Chewy’s crossbolt which we see launch stormtroopers from a single shot. Kylo tanked it… so while he’s more experienced than Rey he’s also nurse a pretty bad wound

[@Bored_Overthinker]

THANK YOU!!! finally, somebody else in this comment section that remembers the events that took place within the movie.

[@skyblue2708]

Not to mention the fact he tracked and followed them with that injury, already fought Finn with that injury and took a glancing blow to the shoulder from Finn before fighting Rey. On top of that, he is clearly intrigued by Reys abilities and for most of the fight is just swinging at her to see what she can do. Idk, maybe if people actually paid attention to the scenes and asked why things happen in world instead of analysing production decisions they'd understand.

[@Bored_Overthinker]

@@skyblue2708 but that’s not as fun as yelling at a major corporation, pretending that your yelling will somehow convince them to change DuHhHh /s

[@Unholy_Triforce]

You should fight with a curved hilt lightsaber. Those are my favorite

[@wiggydiggyfilms7271]

The whole Rey saga is bad

[@Misty_glimmer209]

Except for the first movie but the others are shit

[@GrandAdmiralGonk]

​@@Misty_glimmer209The first one is bad too, for its own reasons, it's basically just A New Hope again, but worse. Also, Rey being able to Jedi mind trick the stormtrooper is insanely stupid

[@zacharybuckley7378]

@@GrandAdmiralGonkbUt iTs bEcAuSe sHe iS rElAtEd tO PaLpAtInE headasses man 😂

[@Misty_glimmer209]

@@GrandAdmiralGonk I’m not that into Star Wars I’ve only seen all the movies like twice so I don’t really have an opinion here, I just thought that Finn and bb8 and the pilot guy were cool

[@madelynsadelyn]

I love this channel. I always loved swords and epic sword duels, and it's so cool to learn real world weapon knowledge. Also it's super helpful for writing my stories and making them realistic.

[@mectane2274]

"dodge rolls are useless" *dodgerolls* I love this guy.

[@Zato-CUBxCommander]

RIGHT! Showing that inexperience, make the audience believe they're stumbling over their own two feet out there.

[@Bored_Overthinker]

Well, they definitely were stumbling around quite a bit. And I honestly like that, considering that, you know, it was dark out, and they could barely see their hands in front of them.

[@Dan_Tactics]

It annoys me too, when Disnsy butchers beloved franchises.

[@jacknorman6930]

If you want decent fights scenes in star wars, look to those such as yoda vs count dooku, or kenobi vs anakin, they're amazing duels

[@pajwubx1809]

Holy hellfire that whole fight scene y'all made was a helluva lot more entertaining and interesting than the entirety of that movie

[@thegongoozaler2070]

Can you do the Darth maul fight next

[@lukeriehl9884]

This is better then the entire sequel trilogy

[@Bored_Overthinker]

I understand you don’t like those movies, but this is definitely reaching.

[@MyWeirdFox]

Lets get a petition to make this man the choreographer of the star wars films

[@thekingssport7180]

The choreography at the end is exactly how I swordfight when I’m both desperate and exhausted. If I every needed some solid choreography, I’d hire you lol

[@MaxWelton]

Kylo offers to train Rey so he wasn’t swinging to kill.

[@sambutton8494]

Cooe

[@cosmo5164]

Also the camerawork was just sad

[@GreyChimera]

I also appreciate how in his version, he used a more prequel stance of attacking the blade, it’s more visually interesting, and i think that’s great

[@arcann3751]

The fact that it looks like you're having trouble to even fake unbalance... It shows how secure your stands truly are

[@BillBill-pz5wi]

Ray had experience fighting just not with swords, she’d know to keep her balance

[@mr_mYsterious666]

Then again, those sequels were terrible. So, yeah. But good job regardless.

[@fabianestradagarcia4412]

Did he just- DODGE ROLLED!?

[@tl6784]

5 minutes of this solos all of the sequels.😂

[@michaelsmith2619]

So you're saying a fight between 2 inexperienced swordsman would take 2 seconds? Yeah that doesn't make good movies

[@MythicalChimera]

No, that wasn’t the point. You can do the same thing he did for longer periods. It’s just lazy choreography work. They just don’t care enough. The sequels were more drama “gasps” “boos” “ahhs” then actual story. Since Disney got on the ship it’s been moreso just shock factor and they aren’t actually putting any work into the writing and choreography. Yes, flashy lights and explosions make up for the people who have never watched Star Wars but all of the people who love the franchise understand that these movies simply are garbage. “Somehow, Palpatine returned!”

[@EmilyRom]

As you just read, it says "This fight took us 5 mins", a guy who is being payed and is suppoused to know what he's doing must do exactly this but for the time that is required in the script. You saw 7-10 sec of what is suppoused to look like, a fight can't be just two swords clashing forever, it needs action, needs variation, and needs a good pace, which is what this video is showing, in a brief amount of time.

[@michaelsmith2619]

@@EmilyRom i was talking about the part where he was demonstrating 2 inexperienced swordsmen. Wild swings that would often leave them open as he demonstrated. This would lead to a short fight as the first one to take advantage of an opening takes the win

[@Belarovis]

We do not talk about the throne room scene. It is embarrassing.

[@The_UnholyProductions]

NO DUDE WHY! YOU MADE A VIDEO ABOUT THE ROLLING, I AGREED WITH YOU MAN… look ima need some time to process this.. your breakin my heart man

[@SellswordArts]

This is fantasy choreography. It's also Star Wars. Rolling isn't realistic, but we're not trying to be realistic in this fight. We're trying to have an exciting fight that also still operates within the suspension of disbelief. There's nothing wrong with big spins, rolls, acrobiotics, and even reverse grip in a fantasy fight, but you have to build it so It has internal logic. And then you have to accept that it is fantasy and not realistic combat. So in this situation, the roll goes to show that this person is agile but maybe not skilled with a sword. It adds to the fight instead of detracting from it.

[@The_UnholyProductions]

@@SellswordArts I love the analysis and find it very helpful, however i was just playing, not hating

[@Aleas10301]

Get this man for the next star wars movie

[@benandryanplays6826]

I refuse to accept that the sequels are Star Wars. The old ways were best

[@cosmiccrowspeedrun]

That is so cool

[@Onionaniamtions]

Bro actually made a good sequel style fight respect

[@AK-qh6lr]

**does a very experienced roll**

[@meenusharma5735]

Disney should higher you! It's a shame this video has so little veiws

[@mikemorley7926]

Try taking an English course.

[@Buzzumbud]

It was uploaded like 2 minutes ago when you commented

[@davidistakinganap]

@@mikemorley7926angry over nothing

[@Influxwafer]

Dude give the vid a while it was just uploaded

[@freelands8355]

​@@mikemorley7926why don't you?

[@drakealexander6668]

By this moment, Kylo was miles more skilled than Rey. He should have killed her then and there. Even if you claim she has "the force", Kylo is still more knowledgeable in the Force than her. She had planetary level plot armor.

[@UnicornGuru]

Yup. Kylo would have ended her in seconds. Like a toddler trying to fight a literal knight.

[@powderboarder]

Ya gotta defend when he "thrusts in" lol

[@user-nb8nj6yj1p]

I think they tried to make the fighting look more real and that’s what happened. In the old movies the light sabers were used like traditional swords, because you didn’t need weight behind it to cut at all. It’s why all the spinning and swinging the swords around so much was so effective

[@DonovanIyer]

My only question is who the h*ll is defending the bad fight choreography in the recent Star Wars shows and movies?!

[@RickyUzumaki993]

There’s actually a few people here in the comments doing so

[@AXEOFLEGEND]

Sequel isnt cannon we as star wars have collectively disowned it

[@dib_human6151]

Nah, even with all its flaws, the Sequels are canon and will stay canon despite what people say

[@unfunnyducky]

@@dib_human6151What sequels? There's only 6 Star Wars movies

[@dib_human6151]

@@unfunnyducky my ducky friend, i understand when people decide to only watch certain parts of a franchise, and anyone who only watches the first 6 is on their right to do so. But what i meant to say is that sequels are official canon despite their quality as movies. But yeah if you or anyone else wants to only consider the first 6 or legends as their canon, thats respectable.

[@unfunnyducky]

@@dib_human6151 Wait... there's another trilogy? Oh my gosh...

[@user-py8oj5yv4m]

Yes it is

[@victorfinngall3911]

It's supposed to be inexperienced fighters not inexperience choreographers.

[@aaronalt3986]

They were swinging those things around like sledgehammers

[@stirrcrazy2704]

No. I will start defending bad fight choreography because of this KZbin short. Get destroyed, sword man.

[@vineqar333]

I liked the movie one ngl

[@Gold_hoarder]

Please stop

[@vineqar333]

@@Gold_hoarder sure

[@Gold_hoarder]

@@vineqar333 thanks😌

[@bekuti1034]

Disney needs to hire this guy

[@kageokami5]

I once took a stage combat class(specifically for swords) and the instructor’s opinion on most films that had sword fighting was that the choreography was just “let’s touch swords” (in a non-convincing way because it’s not as if anyone will notice)

[@Stalin-zm5fg]

Idk man but that looks exactly like the fight in the movie. Idk but Kylo looks inexperienced even if he shouldn't be.

[@ThePhantomSquee]

Yeah, he doesn't seem to get that writing a slightly altered fight scene does not in an way prove the original was bad. That's an important piece that's been consistently missing. You can say it's bad all you want, but no actual evidence has been presented to support that assertion. I can claim that Hopper's "Nighthawks" is a bad painting, create my own similar one, and see plenty of people agree that it looks good, but that doesn't prove the original is in fact bad.

[@danielhounshell2526]

Not really, you could charitably say that the first half of the fight goes for the same thing, even if it fails to properly depict a skill gap, since kylo's technique is just as bad as hers is. In fact you could argue that kylo, the more experienced fighter, is the one doing dumb reckless aggression. The second half of the fight is beyond ability to be charitable to. Kylo suddenly starts sucking at fighting for no apparent reason, completely drops his previous aggression, and proceeds to get swiftly overwhelmed by Rey's reckless dumb aggression. The fight is essentially just two characters recklessly hurling attacks at one another until one of them wins. There are a couple of decent exchanges in the fight, but a few decent exchanges aren't enough to save a bad fight scene, and the quality of the choreography for the sequels only goes down from here. I will say that the fight with Finn was actually somewhat good, and did properly communicate a skill gap, with Finn overcommitting on attacks and kylo taking advantage of his inexperience. That fight communicates things about the characters, the fight with Rey doesn't outside of her suddenly overwhelming Kylo out of nowhere because she connected with the force or something.

[@carstenm9367]

Star wars is amazing, but they aren’t trying to make the fights realistic they’re trying to make them look good

[@thetenthplanet_]

And the sequels failed spectacularly at doing so.

[@spikem5950]

And they failed.

[@anasexualdragonwithinterne2912]

And they've failed spectacularly in all of their movies. i love the star wars franchise but even from when i was young and first saw the movies i wondered why you would ever turn your back to someone during a lightsaber fight when these are weapons that can burn through steel in seconds, and why you wouldn't just move your saber a few inches over and puncture your opponents lungs or spine if they did show you their back. For me it made it seem like the fights had no real stakes and made it hard for me to take them seriously.

[@yametetakiro5914]

I like your video it help me so much for drawing sword fight sequence 🤝

[@nicholasisabelle1558]

U should do a cool series where you do something like a green screen background and add the SFX and do 1 v 1 battles like Dooku vs Maul or even something like Samurai vs Knight

[@Emi9910]

I love how this fight choreography is better than the entirety of the sequel trilogy

[@barrytooth4306]

It really speaks volumes how 2 dudes with toy lightsabers in a small dojo can recreate a better lightsaber choreography than a multi billion dollar company

[@caleb-hy2pe]

I completely agree. I've always loved starwars but the fighting has always had much room for improvement.

[@GottaGoFasterBro]

Bro did a Dark Souls backdash

[@alessimc]

They should hire you as a consultant. Love your vids man.

[@NCRranger11]

My favorite starwars fact is that the man who played Dooku, Christopher lee, was actually an accomplished fencer.

[@Finleyforshaw]

The yoda and Darth Vader fight is insane

[@justpette1503]

Brother is asking to be a sword choreagrapher!