Stop Gatekeeping Fun... | Elden Ring

[@jaydeeq273]

it's funny when someone wasted countless hours on a boss and they then have a sense of pride when they beat it, like my guy you still don't have a job 💀

[@jackcola5513]

Having a job is not the main objective in life btw ur doing the exact thing you are against you are hating and gatekeeping you tell someone they cant have fun or accomplishment if they have no job 😅

[@BaldLezB_In]

@@jackcola5513dude… accomplishing something in a game is nothing. Having a job handling real life is better and more accomplishing.

[@uyuty600]

so why do you play a difficult game, literally this is the purpose of these games 🤦

[@og_mante5138]

⁠@@uyuty600 Just because a game is difficult doesn’t mean there aren’t smarter ways to do things. The souls community literally judges each other for using problem solving skills lol

[@reformed_attempt_1]

@@BaldLezB_In yep, it's just like he said, you're literally gatekeeping fun. And yes, I do have a real job and find Elden Ring bosses more satisfying

[@blooeagle5118]

That mentality and community concept kept me away from soulsbourne games for so long, and I bought Elden ring after being coerced by my friends, and after being HELLA rune boosted, to finish this playthrough and sorta get to grips with the game but it's still pretty difficult. Then they suggested I do a playthrough by myself without much help to get the full experience. The game is still hard if you cheese or get boosted. You still need to work at it to win

[@jackcola5513]

Push go play fortnite

[@Rivershield]

"people being mean to me kept me away" "men" like you should indeed be gate kept out of our hobbies

[@frederickscheuer9198]

That sums it up nicely. The thing about From Software´s Games is that they aren´t really hard, but made unnecessarily hard by the close combat fanatics. Elden Rind is just as much about planning and coming up with a tactic as it is about memorizing attack patterns and fine tuning your reflexes, so don´t leave out half of the tools at your disposal and complain about loosing against supposedly weaker players in PvP.

[@RedSunUnderParadise]

Souls stans would have a stroke if they ever played AC. They'd try to opt for a mechless playthough only to discover that you can't unequip your Mech.

[@logeyperogi1805]

Yeah I learned that pretty quickly At first I was struggling for so long because I didn’t use magic or bleed or anything like that Then in my most recent playthrough, I beat Malenia first attempt with a Bloody Banished Knight’s Greatsword, and Swarm of Flies incantation with Mimic Tear The game isn’t really that hard, unless you make it hard

[@littlemoth4956]

@@RedSunUnderParadise Souls stands? Good lord what-

[@zeehero7280]

I love close combat in those games but I need to remember I can throw bombs and stuff more lol.

[@nathanhendrickson790]

“Casual. Using summons and ashes of war? What are you too cowardly to actually play the game?” I’m sorry did you buy elden ring for me? No. Did you pay my internet and electricity? No. Did you buy the console or build the pc I play on? No. Did you pay my rent this month? No. So besides freedom of speech what right do you have to tell me how to play a game I have literally every single right to play anyway I want to? Now unless you have the money to cover everything I need to play the game ($2,125 for the game, rent, utilities and console) I’m gonna go back to slapping people across the map with a big hunk of metal like I’m playing baseball. Wanna do something about it? Pay up.

[@zeehero7280]

as a wise but verbose man from one MMO might say: "Thou Payest Not Mine Sub"

[@debishvebishwish4839]

Cheese this, cheese that. If you’re lactose intolerant, don’t be shouting at people for enjoying cheese. That also applies to this game, or any game.

[@zeehero7280]

I prefer to go relatively light on cheese in elden ring but sometimes a boss is honestly not fun and bullshit compared to the majority of fromsoftware bosses. that's when the Xtra Cheese mega extreem comes out to save the day!

[@zeehero7280]

Mmmm CHEESE! CHEESE FOR EVERYONE!!

[@mitchellbailey4906]

@@debishvebishwish4839 I love cheese. Smoked cheddar is the shit. Lol.

[@ggease6030]

This line goes hard, copying that line for later situations

[@leonardfabian8942]

This is why i stop streaming this game my very first play through on twitch, and someone said i cheesed the tree sentinel cause i used my horse to beat him. I was still a lower level then too.

[@BillytheSkwid]

Anything other than the way someone has deemed a “respectable” way to play is considered a cheese these days. People care way to much about invalidating others ways of playing instead of just enjoying the game, and sharing that enjoyment.

[@leonardfabian8942]

@@BillytheSkwid facts.

[@scarameowSucksAtGaming]

​@@leonardfabian8942 i also know the tree sentinel is easier without honce, I'm starting an elden ring playthru tomorrow, and have 3 video's ready, 2 for tomorrow and one for the day after, and i discovered a cheese against tree sentinel on my 3rd part, you basically keep your distance and only punish one of his attacks and back of repeat until he dies, im terrible at explaining so watch my video in 2 days

[@zeehero7280]

I actually find it easier to NOT use a horse for him. but I guess if you use a long weapon a horse is easier.

[@robertjohnston9023]

Imagine having to actually make a video to remind people of this!? (Example- I can't stand speed runs personally and think they're very exploitable and not how game was intended)

[@Anotherguy1st]

I don't mind speed runs I just don't understand why people care about them in the first place.

[@RedSunUnderParadise]

The virgin Souls community(Cries when people use optimal tactics) vs the Chad Morrowind and Armored Core community(Encourages you to use the most op method to exploit the game and wreck shit)

[@zeehero7280]

Damn straight. Armored Core Community > Souls Community.

[@Linklex7]

Oh no, most of the FromSoft zealots act like this. It’s not a vocal minority. They take the fun out of video games

[@BillytheSkwid]

Eh I don’t know any personally, and any I’ve come in contact with it’s easy to hunt or or shutdown.

[@cheapskateangkol9371]

Never have problem how people play or build to enjoy de game. Only dislike those people after copy an op build from youtube then talk bs claimed de game is too easy.

[@DIP_BUH1207]

You are not wrong!

[@redknight4805]

And then they make a KZbin video saying how people who want an easy mode should just "get good" by copying a build that completely breaks the game. Cant make this shit up... Personally, I have no problem with options. Just dont dumb down the game as a whole.

[@sadisticD]

That last part is annoying. I haven't seen it personally with ER but I don't doubt it happens. It's one thing to copy a build or whatever but to then call it easy is weird. It's like people that play other games on easy mode and say it's boring.

[@zeehero7280]

Remember when everyone was shitting on Elon Musks elden ring build? its as if they forgot that when you play with a crap build you need to be more skilled than with a powerful one.

[@maserati4000]

I started my very playthrough of Elden Ring this week (also my first FS game) and before I bought the game I did tons of research on how I wanted to approach it. For example I started with the samurai build so I have 2 uchigatanas before even leaving Limgrave. I also used some QoL mods like having a map overlay, FoV adjuster to push my camera back, and keeping my runes if I die. I didn’t change any of the core gameplay mechanics like changing the difficulty or giving myself every weapon and item in the game. Guess what it hasn’t affected my enjoyment of the game. I just wanted to fully experience the difficulty while waste as little time as possible. It still took me 2 hours of getting pounded into the ground before I beat Godrick with no summons, and an hour before that trying to figure out where the hell im going in Stormveil Castle. People are way too overzealous over this and other souls games. If you’re someone that likes spending hours blindly while using non meta everything, more power to you. I on the other hand am having a blast being able to just know where I need to go and level up steadily, while actually focusing on something I enjoy which is fighting bosses with the best build I can come up with at the time.

[@JR-lo5hz]

I think that all players should play how they want

[@BillytheSkwid]

100% jr

[@JR-lo5hz]

I also think that players shouldn’t judge how other players are playing

[@Qballiz2kool]

@@JR-lo5hz *FACTS*

[@DIP_BUH1207]

Exactly. Thats what the Souls Games and Community taught me and im sticking with it. But the Elden Ring/Newcomers who never played the souls series, try to take the piss and act like they're gods and try to make newcomers who actually dont mind how you play it look bad, while in reality they dont know what theyre talking about, making them childish and stupid. Play the game or the souls series however you like. Use magic, use melee, use both it dont matter. Dont let this gatekeeping bullshit stop you from using a feature thats in the game. Play at your leisure and have fun!

[@Anotherguy1st]

@@DIP_BUH1207 Honestly considering how many spells and incantations that the game has it seems completely foolish to not at least use some of them. Not sure how people think they are better because they intentionally refuse to use tools the game gives you to play it. Even if you beat the game naked, at level 1 with a non upgraded weapon and the base amount of flasks along with base restorative power for those flasks, all you get is the satisfaction of knowing you did a challenge you made for yourself, no one else cares! Just because I can build a house out of popsicle sticks instead of 2x4s and sheets of plywood doesn't mean the house gets special recognition or a reward. Go dig a hole the size of the Grand Canyon with nothing but a spoon and let me know if you felt like it was time well spent.

[@jamie3356]

I completed Elden Ring as a mage first. Now I've completed 3 melee runs.. Mage was harder for me, which is what bugs me about the whole "you're playing it wrong" crowd. I bet most of them haven't tried any other builds and stuck to the same old tactics they were using in Dark Souls lol. Some guy tried to tell me that dual Nagakiba's was meta; I hadn't even played online before that, I just figured out that they were good from my first play through.. Maybe they're meta because they're good and people noticed lmao.

[@davidmccormick550]

Preaching to the Choir here. First Soulsborne game was Bloodborne, and I really liked it. Went to DS, played Pyro with Uchi. In Ds2: Scholar played Sorceror/Hexer, in Ds3 Pyromancy/Miracles was key. Play Prophet in Elden Ring now. Main reason why it took so long to get interested was because of the gatekeepers misleading me into believing that my favored style was not in the games at all, as I play sniper/Hit and Run mostly. They also trashed faith, which I tend to like as well.

[@BillytheSkwid]

It’s really unfortunate. I never understood the idea of “keeping something to yourself” by belittling or misleading new people interested in it.

[@zeehero7280]

By the Choir you mean the one from Bloodborne?

[@sackjalter7001]

The boss - *has 16 arms, a 15 ft long sword, can summon meteorites, can one shot you whenever he wants and has a second phase Me - *summons a single knight to help a bit The elden ring community - 😲😲😲😲

[@jeanfrancozaratemarcial7916]

Yo, according to 1 comment on another video covering the balance changes, poise is now bugged and it doesn't work as it should be at high levels. Can you confirm this?

[@BillytheSkwid]

I can not. I know poise has no effect in PvE and that’s intended, but I do not know about any poise bugs in PvP

[@zeehero7280]

If by gatekeep the game you mean claim that people who use things that are IN THE GAME to be used like spirit summons, katanas, and leveling vigor, aren't playing the game correctly, I agree. But gatekeeping is good when it means protecting a hobby from those who never liked it, and never will, and only intend to destroy it from within. Look what happened to Star Wars, and what's happening to 40k.

[@mitchellbailey4906]

I just love to play to overcome the challenges and have fun. And if I make friends along the way then so be it.

[@vmk2466]

I don’t intend to speak for anyone else but for me the only thing I dislike is when people just copy “beSt EldEN rInG bUilD” from the internet because it destroys the fun of them exploring and making builds for themselves, and a lot of this is due to no shower sheldon who hasn’t left their room for 6 months telling their friends that souls games are hard beyond reason, leading to new players thinking their builds aren’t good enough; if you made a build on your own and others are convincing you to change it because it “won’t be optimal for the endgame” ignore them, have fun, play the game your way.

[@BillytheSkwid]

I love this, thank you

[@zeehero7280]

I look at posted builds but just for inspiration then I make my own build informed by builds which looked cool to me.

[@ByteOfWhiskey]

When I saw the title I was like "I'm gonna disagree with Billy here..." And was ready to come out and be the bad guy. Then I saw this was about how people play the game and was like "I can't comment. I intentionally try to make games hard then break them...." 🤣🤣🤣

[@BillytheSkwid]

I mean same here, but for us to tell anyone they are playing a game wrong by not playing by our rules… that’s just rude.

[@ByteOfWhiskey]

@@BillytheSkwid Yeah, no. I can't disagree with the premise of your vid. I mean, I intentionally take advantage of bad pathing and AI in games constantly. XD

[@zeehero7280]

Yeah gatekeeping a game itself from those who want to change it to be generic is good. but Gatekeeping HOW someone plays the game is bad.

[@MattDoesLife539]

3:41 say it louder for the people at the back!

[@runnre]

The community is awful, at least the loudest parts are, and their toxic screeching keeps everyone else from being vocal. I tried asking questions on reddit and discord to gain some deeper knowledge of the game, got lots of "reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee git gud" and downvoted to hell.

[@BillytheSkwid]

Yeah unfortunately the community has a very vocal and cringe section of the population. You gotta find smaller niche sections for those kinds of things. Shouldn’t be that way but is how it is.

[@brandonlincoln778]

Pvp and pve needs to be gated off from each other...to fix balance

[@BillytheSkwid]

luckily they now have separate balances for them now

[@fortiktoktiktok7166]

As someone who has completed the game with no co op no Ash summons and didn't overlevel and capped myself at level 120 and was melee build. This was my 2nd playthrough though. I would say it's fine to use these mechanics like Ash summons on the first play through. After I beat the game with no help. I went back and played with summons again just for fun and I can say without a doubt that the game is extreamly easy with them. My advise play the game you want to but if you are up for the challenge start a new save and play without summons. I also believe people that farm ruins to overlevel to one shot bosses kinda kill the experience. But that's just my opinion. But just play how you want

[@TheEnigmaProductions]

Great video

[@littlemoth4956]

I think the reason people "gatekeep" these games is because the way they are intended to be played is often the most interesting and touching. Souls fans have talked all about some of their thoughts on games like Dark Souls 1, where their experience was unlike anything ever achieved in gaming, before or after, because they went through the game with nothing and prevailed through sheer willpower. It wasn't through cheesing, summoning, looking up items, grinding, or any of that. That's not to say they abandoned those tools entirely, but those tools were just that, tools, not crutches. I believe the best experience one can get out of these games is to understand the combat and strategy, and rise against adversity by mastering them. When Souls players see people cheesing bosses or relying on Ashes of War or summons to win, I think they mostly feel sadness, because for the most part, Fromsoft games can be very uninteresting when played like any old hack and slash game. Maybe they don't want the incredible experience of overcoming harsh adversity to be lost on some players. Though, I don't guarantee this is true. This is just my guess.

[@costelcosmincazan2321]

Intended? If it is an item or game mechanic it is intended to be used. Not my problem if anyone did not used certain items to defeat a boss and I did and did faster with those items. Their strategy was to learn every boss moves. My strategy was to find ways to beat bosses without learning those moves perfectly. They play hard. I play smart.

[@vc4961]

Play how you want, but don't pretend beating a boss with summons or cheesy builds is as impressive as without. You just bypassed boss mechanics and achieved less as a result.

[@Anotherguy1st]

Dude your playing a video game, if you think any way you choose to play it is better or impressive you should probably find something else to do with your time.

[@RedSunUnderParadise]

The fact that we were able easily one shot bosses that are percieved difficult via making a solid build is prettyuch an achievent in and of itself. Work smart, not hard.

[@Linklex7]

You won a fake trophy in a fake video game. I got a job, paid my bills, and got laid. That’s a real achievement.

[@rileyf3185]

@@Linklex7​⁠​⁠you tell him man. I’m sick of these losers who think they’re all that just because they beat a video game.

[@celiafrostborn]

I won't argue that people shouldn't be able to play how they want with what is given to them. What I will argue is that the huge outliers should be nerfed to retain the fundamental goal of these games however. Which they are proving they don't want the extreme cheese by nerfing stuff 2 weeks into the game, it just isn't as impressive and I don't see how people can get enjoyment out of such easy wins. Their are games for people who want an easy time and from games should not be one of those types of games so I hope they nerf even more stuff until people have to put some effort in. Bleed should be next in my opinion but that's just me. What this will do is if they make another game and it is more linear and more difficult people will just whine and I am so sick of those people...

[@BillytheSkwid]

I’m fine with this opinion. I’ve never been a big fan of the nerf it philosophy because nerfs tend to take away fun. Outliers like what they did this most recent patch make sense (even if it was at the expense of the speedrun/challenge run community). What I will say, is it’s on FromSoftware to determine this, no one else. Even if from hadn’t nerfed things and vanilla was forever the balance of the game, I don’t think it’s fair for one player to tell another player they are doing it wrong for using mechanics in the game. I get that there is a chunk of the player base that holds themselves to standards, and that’s fine, I just don’t tend to vibe with those standards being projected onto others ya know?

[@celiafrostborn]

@@BillytheSkwid Fair enough, I can be more specific however. Spirit summons and even magic are cool in my book, at base their is nothing wrong with these. Once you get into the super cheap ways of combat that like one shot bosses or make the game so easy you put in basically no effort is when I have an issue. The last thing I want is for the game to be seen as so easy and so accessible that the super casual people who abused the OP stuff get it in their head all future games will be like this. It would set a bad precident and give them more ammo to shoot at the people who actually enjoy these games being hard. I think we can all agree the easy mode debate has been beaten dead by this point so from needs to stay vigilant and nerf the things that stick out to much for the sake of the current and future player experience being a moderate challenge.

[@BillytheSkwid]

Hey I feel ya. From has always been good about bringing the game into line of the expectations that they expect from the players. They have a vision for the experience and I’m down with them doing whatever it takes to get it there, aslong as at the end of the day the games still fun. The more viable play styles the better imo, but I get what you are saying. And luckily the game breaking stuff seems to be getting the bat and the cool fun stuff is being brought to the front. I’m happy to see the sorcery buffs, and the bleed build buffs from last patch…now for #buffbonk.

[@rokmare]

I was just surprised how easy it was to get frost stomp and sword of night and flame in the past souls games op stuff were lock behind difficult bosses/npc invaders so you had to earn them in a way.

[@trollking6315]

@@celiafrostborn Incorrect. If you want this game to be hard, you have ways of doing it. Play naked, use fists, and try for a no hit run. You literally can have a fist fight with mimic tear bosses and turn that into a fun brawl. Hell I just watched a guy do a "crafting weapons only" run of this game. I have seen people beat Melania naked with a pot on their head. What "sets a bad precedent" is people that like the game being hard and keeping it that way and forcing "casual players" out of the community. That is literally gatekeeping and unacceptable. I am a Team Fortress 2 player, we have people like you in our community. I have 12k hours and am one of the richest people in that community. Yet I started as a free to play. This game back in 2007 used to be a paid service, not a monthly thing like WoW but still a game you had to buy. Years down the road Valve, the company that made it decided to make the game "Free to Play", so you can just download it and have fun. Tons of people, just like you, whined and pissed and moaned saying that it "ruined their experience" and shit. In reality, it didnt. It just made them not special. That is what this is about. It is not going to "kill dark souls" to install a difficulty slider. It will just make you not feel special, and that is not what this game is about. It is about making fun builds in a dark fantasy RPG that was based on Berserk. If you need a cookie to feel like a special snowflake you dont need a game, you need a therapist. Thank you for coming to my TED talk. Notifications are off, dont bother replying to this. OP is right however, "nerf it" is not a good philosophy, let people enjoy things.