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Stop panning your heavy guitar tracks inwards in your metal mixes!
"Critiquing Subscriber Mixes" Episode #18!
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[@thedrummerinblack4720]

first time seeing a mix critique that isnt just shitting on the submissions. nice man

[@guitar_nerd]

The third song sounds amazing... Counterparts vibes going on!

[@TheSeaUponUs]

Totally!

[@bobbytheend]

I love these videos. Love getting a quick snapshot of an overall mix and quick solutions for improvement.

[@BonoboBerry]

Yo Bobby, I just signed up a few hours ago to the mix crypt. I've been spending that last few hours mixing the newest track and I just wanna say thank you. I'm in absolute disbelief with the quality of the content you provide us to work with. I've never had this much fun mixing work I haven't recorded myself. Can't wait to submit my mix!!

[@FrightboxRecording]

So stoked to have you in the community, Sayre!

[@christophermarshall1441]

Just found your channel and I’m pretty stoked about it. I’ve just gotten back into recording and mixing on Logic Pro x which has been great. I’ve been practicing with Ola Englunds “Sunday with Ola riff challenge” and I’ll record and mix everything and I try to improve every time. I feel like your channel will help me with that even more so I’m looking forward to this🤘🏼

[@leearmitage]

another great set of mixes, yeah I agree the first sounds like the guitars are not hard panned

[@DavePowell666]

Kudos to the guy that did the song on Bandcamp, particularly for that first riff being tight. For that style of super fast tremolo picking to sound tight and cut through like that it REALLY has to be super tight and together on both guitars. That's either an extremely consistent guitar performance or great editing. Maybe a bit of both. Just one of those details I think can get overlooked.

[@666cordyceps666]

Thanks man! Indeed is a bit of both... but in a more musical way! I tried to keep it organic! Here is a video with live guitar performance! Everything in one take! I just took the stems without the guitars' . fb.watch/aKWDuYiCkS/

[@GuitarLover218]

Hey Bobby, I love your videos and I personally would love a lesson on IR's from a beginners point of view. Thanks

[@666cordyceps666]

wow! Thanks a lot for your kind words about Thlimos!! I am in the preproduction stage of our second LP... I wiil keep you posted! Love your content!! edit: the whole album is NOT mastered yet.

[@toemasmeems]

i always come back here thinking "why'd i sub to this dude again?" and then i watch and think "oh yeah he's entertaining and good" idk man keep it up! i use your IR too!

[@ljljosue]

russ russell pans gtrs and overheads kind of 90 or 85 i believe, not hard panned, i have tried both and sincerely, to me both sound pretty good, i suspect it depends really on how you treat the ambience. What are your thoughts on that bobby? not even 90L and 90R? keep up the fantastic job man!

[@samsonlovesyou]

Mr Satriani could do with a touch more reverb on the vocals imho. Just to sit it a little more until the mix. It's not by much, but it's sitting a bit in front of the track. Could be worth experimenting with a faster compressor attack time to help sit it further back in the mix, too, but on first listen I like how it's compressed, so very much just for experimenting with.

[@davidscafidi]

thanks for the critique. i have polished the hell outta that mix since i sent it to you. i hope i got the panning right now.. ha.

[@FrightboxRecording]

Killer tune, David!

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@@davidscafidi So stoked to have you, David!

[@restupyourlegsonthestone8556]

love the aqua teen hungerforce looking videos on the tv lolol

[@MetaOfSmash]

I was soooo expecting "Drander's" song to have a half time drum beat with a snair on beat 3 :O interesting twist tho going for that double time snare pattern instead

[@150grproteinbro]

Drander is so good sounds like a 2003 emo song

[@SilentScreamsStudios]

One thing I know for sure is that rendered song should not look like electrical tape. True Peak should not go above -1db. I like to keep my mixes at around -3db to -5db true peak, 8db to 12dbish dynamic range.

[@gitarman666]

Otto has a EL8 pumping, me thinks

[@ericfoley623]

Where do I send my mix for you to critique?

[@cao77]

How can I submit a song for you to listen, Bob?

[@maplefoxx6285]

Some really good songs here, I actually just put a demo up on my channel of a new mixing setup. I even paid a guy for a master chain and I did not like it haha, had to learn mastering from the hip hop guys on youtube, klanghelm analog saturation with zero settings, just put it in there and do nothing to it for slight warmth, then i use SSL2 master bus compressor, waves s1 and waves l2. Honestly a better master chain than what I paid money for and is super easy for anyone to set up. I love watching these videos to get tips. thanks

[@JayBeBerg]

Would you then add Haas delay or a room mic on the opposite side to the hard panned guitar (or something else) to make it less one-dimensional? I understand creating room in a busy mix but always feel it makes the band sound less "real" or cohesive when hard panning. Thanks!

[@MrMockigton]

you usually record a double of that exact guitar so that there is something on both sides of the mix. it actually makes your band sound more cohesive if evey instrument has its own space frequency- and room wise. i would never add delay or a room sound on the opposite of the mix, thats just bound to cloud everything up.

[@therareplatypus7121]

You just gotta record two takes of each part and hard pan them out. To which degree is dependent of the type of band/style/song it is, and what the band likes, but everything is still hard panned for the most part. For my band, almost every section has a "rhythm" and "lead" part. My definitions of what that means is probably different than your's and other people's though. So don't think that every section of my band has some "rhythm" chords, while the other guy is just noodling like crazy. It's not like that. Every single guitar part is double tracked and hard panned. Rhythm and lead parts. All of them. That's what sounds cool to us for our songs. Choruses sometimes have the rhythm sections quad tracked and hard panned, or rhythm is double tracks and have "pads" underneath, while lead guitar is still double tracked and hard panned. Bass is typically single tracked and put center. Even though there have been parts very occasionally where we double tracked the bass guitar. For a specific purpose though, it's pretty rare that we do that. It pretty much comes down to how good the guitarists are so that they can accurately play the same part the same exact way multiple times, and how much work the engineer is willing to put in to supplement that talent if they aren't good enough to double track accurately, to achieve the desired sound that they're going for. I hear and read that a lot of people will double track and hard pan rhythm guitars for pretty much every part. While lead guitar parts are center. Especially if there aren't vocals on that section. There's been some couple sections here and there where my band will do it that way. A way that my band rarely does it, but I have done this way for other bands, and have also heard it done this way a lot, is to have both guitar parts completely separated and hard panned. So one person is always on the left, while the other is always on the right. Doesn't matter what parts they're playing. They're hard panned, and completely separated. If my band is doing something specifically with the idea of doing that, we will record that way. That usually means in our case, a section that is syncopated and supposed to kind of "bounce" back and forth between each side. I hope that helps. There's a few different tried and true ways to record, but at the end of the day, it's really what you think sounds good. That doesn't mean other people will think so too, but there aren't many "hard and fast" rules for production. So just experiment a lot if you've got the time to do so. There are a million different tiny things that contribute to a great mix. I was lucky and was able to quit my job to focus on learning production. For probably the first year and a half, I was averaging 12 to 16 hours every single day. Watching everybody. Reading a lot. Learning which gear does what. Learning how to play guitar and bass, and to play them well, along with guitar theory so that I have a better ear for it. So that I know what the hell people are talking about. I don't consider myself "great" by any means, but I've definitely learned a lot through trial and error, and by following my ears. Listening to mixes that I appreciate. I could probably ramble on and on, which one of the singers in my band wants me to put out videos to help people with production, but I think that I want to get more experience before I would do that.

[@FrightboxRecording]

@@MrMockigton 100% agree.

[@JayBeBerg]

@@MrMockigton Yes, I guess a Haas effect only really works on a single instrument and doubling up would be a mess, in metal anyway. But I'm thinking how to achieve a more natural sound, perhaps for more old school stuff, where the supposedly huge guitar tone isn't locked into one speaker (or headphone) but coming from beyond. Riding a reverb? Parallel widening?

[@JayBeBerg]

@@therareplatypus7121 Thanks, double and quad-tracking certainly adds depth and nuance to an LCR guitar mix. Especially if the playing is tight (or edited). I'm mostly trying to capture the sound of the amp as I hear it, but sometimes a much dryer sound is appropriate.

[@AlbertodeVictoria]

Hard pan, just that

[@FrightboxRecording]

Agreed! No reason to make life complicated 🤘

[@bamuz]

Fourth band gives me psyopus vibes , not sure why exactly but yeah

[@EdwinvanKoppen]

Last one sounds like Pyogenesis

[@JesusLordOfLords455]

7:20.....vocal too loud