Stop What You Are Doing And Watch This Naval Game!

[@Kilmefirst]

I super underestimated Drake on this map, the global damage just stacks so well in HF. Some random thoughts (spoilers): -- -- -- - My whole game plan revolved around stopping the airports since even with drake/sturm having weaker air units, the airports are necessary to defend the solo bases. - Every normal power from Talose was kinda forced to not fall behind. Every time it wasn't a super was really good for me since delaying future powers was really important. - I goofed hard giving up that port near my base, I probably could/should have built a battleship. - I don't think i was ever worried about my base but I was worried about failing to take Talose's base, so many sketchy walls during that siege. - If Talose had gotten the com tower that might have been enough to stop the NE base steal and win the game. - I did want the SE airport but T copter would never get there with the black boat blocking. - I joined SOOOO many units that game. A third of my units lost were due to joins to refuel or gain back funds. - Pretty sure the day limit was 35 and even with no day limit I liked my position at the end. I was behind on unit value by a fair bit, I had WAY more unit production and only really had to fight on one front. - Definitely one of my favorite games in recent memory. Well played Talose, I'm looking forward to a rematch sometime!

[@mimizdani8194]

Why does the video just skip parts :(

[@1_random_commenter]

Great to hear your thoughts KMF. Really appreciate hearing the players' perspectives on banger matches like this one. Well played. I just wrote a comment grousing about how this match is another example of naval power being underwhelming, even on maps specifically designed to favor them. Do you also feel this way?

[@Kilmefirst]

@@1_random_commenteryeahhhhh, if there was ever a chance to shine it was here since the drake def + sturm attack meant they were really hard to KO. It’s just tough to focus on naval builds when the non-naval units can just go somewhere else to fight where the boats can’t reach

[@1_random_commenter]

@@Kilmefirst Thanks for the response. I was thinking more from a cost-to-damage perspective, but you're absolutely correct that the lack of mobility (especially compared to air) is also a factor. Cheers.

[@TheFinalChapters]

This entire match was a giant advertisement for why air units are better than naval units. Talose had the advantage on unit value for the entire second half of the game, yet it was KMF who was doing most of the threatening. The reason? Naval units offer worse value for their cost.

[@derkatwork33]

Manga: Day 7, We haven’t seen any naval units yet. Black Boat: Am I a joke to you?

[@shotboy000]

Manga? What about the Anime?

[@electricindigoball1244]

The video skips to day 4 around 7:07. At first I thought this was just a glitch on my end but I reloaded the video and the skip is in the video itself.

[@ryancolby9334]

and at 51:58 as well

[@HippieInHeart]

Yeah that kinda threw me off a little as well. Had to double check to make sure that it wasn't just my KZbin glitching out again. XD

[@blazingswordchad3384]

Kilmefirst showing what a man's persistence looks like with that base capture in the top right, talk about impressive. Things just started building into an avalanche from there, which was impressive because of how behind Sturm was throughout much of the game until that point. Great game.

[@Unbedaveable]

Mangs the choice of Warcraft: Orcs and Humans music over this video just completely made my day. I haven't heard it in literally 25 years. Absolutely works for this video too. And the Warcraft 2 Music being played over a naval battle? *Chef's Kiss*

[@1_random_commenter]

This man's choice of background music is elite. Love to hear it.

[@Mooncookies722]

It took me about a minute ti realize it was WC2. Then I was like heck yeah!!!!!

[@Alexand3ry]

32:31 Both players defending their Northern bases with Megatanks. Both knew it would cost 100k value to break it. But killmefirst knew what he wanted and *took it*. That was the difference.

[@ColbyP4Fan]

What an absolutely INSANE game worth watching. My thoughts (Spoilers) -- -- -- As a viewer, at first, watching this match, I was like oh shit. Kilmefirst is way ahead, he's killing it. And then the drake powers came in repeatedly and i was like wow. Global damage is really doing a lot of heavy lifting, and these meteors aren't getting any value. Damn. I almost felt mad, because I thought Kilmefirst was doing his micro just way better,and then powers blew it out of the water. But that's advance wars in a way. In the mid game, once that port was taken and the north east base was defended, it felt impossible for Talose to lose. I watched wave after wave of global damage, and Kilmefirst's value dropping, as that -20 ATK (-10% ty com tower), struggled to dent the Megatanks. And then when it did, new ones were made. About 30~ min in, I was like wow this sucks. Is there any reason to watch the rest of the video? This is a stomp. But, I was again, wrong. I think the gradual reinforcements from Kilmes's position overwhelmed Talos who simply couldn't reinforce as easily, and over time, he overwhelmed him. I'm not 100% sure what happened really, but I think the blown up 5HP Megatank was the decisive blow (instead of deleting/rebuilding) it. Then, as mangs said, it seemed to rapidly shift in the other direction, as Kilme captured a ton of stuff, and Talose was on the backfoot to try and go somewhere else. Still typically ahead in value, but having lost the race for the property war in the end, which was wild. Pleasantly surprised that my expectations were subverted TWICE, in the middle of damn cool naval battle, where we saw ALL kinds of units fighting each other, on a sick ass map that's mixed base. 10/10, definitely worth the title of the youtube video.

[@radical_dog]

Yeah, seems like the battle was won and lost on that top right factory. 48:25 Tulose moves his 2nd tank just out of range, and it seems like a big error as it takes away enough pressure to let the enemy units rearrange and an infantry 9 to start a capture. Two super talented players either way.

[@TubeTAG]

Huh. 32:40 TIL that if you're loaded into a transport, you don't take damage from Typhoon. It makes sense, but never occurred to me.

[@janithenimal3435]

The rule is: Naval = like without seeing. We really really need more weird AW battles, that was the essence when we used to play with friends on the cartridge, I personally would change completely naval units, we all know that they suck, it makes no sense to keep them sucking if they have changed half of the COs for the tiers.

[@janithenimal3435]

Now that I've watched it I'm convinced, this 1 hour pasted in 5 minutes, you should have take the time and spend 3 hours with this because this is exactly what this game was intended for. This is a proper Advance Wars game, no exploiting the broken triangle between B-cops and lack of A.A, 4 stupid walls with artillery stalling 10 turns... This is a game where every single unit can be the best and the worst unit of the game and every turn is a possible flip of the match because of it, every single unit have a purpose here there is no useless ports on a pond, no useless terrain disadvantage for certain units, this is a game for the game.

[@michaeljonathan9715]

Agreed but Inteligent System (Advance Wars 1, 2, DS and Days of ruins developers) doesn't know how to balance units with player vs player in mind. The year the games are developed in 2000s where advance wars is popular only in like America and maybe Europe and for kids back then before we became adults (and kids are obviously stupider than adults in almost everyway, including playing games competitively and knowing how to strategise, so easy units like cheap direct units like Infantry, Recon, Tank, Anti-Air, B-copter seem overpowered by Inteligent System think it's not OP because how dissposable, the bodyblock and scouting utility its has but the players aren't skilled enough to use indirect, how to save up to able to build naval, naval's unique triangle which include indirect which is battleship beat cruiser, cruiser beat submarine and subnarine beat battleship, etc.). Also naval's mediocore stat is because it's reputation in real life fighting air units and the result is air is victorious, so making them great or viable reduce realism like Advance Wars Days of Ruins (although who care about realism in video games except dumb game journalism that overly care about realism over fun & balanced gameplay nowadays).

[@HippieInHeart]

Yeah, I agree. There have already been so many changes made to COs to make them a bit more balanced, it would only make sense to also rebalance the units a little. Maybe they'd even figure out a way to make missiles useful.

[@alex_zetsu]

I think we could see naval units if they just made the maps bigger. Consider instead of doubling the funds per city, why not make a map bigger with more cities? You'd have the same total income up for grabs as a high funds game. Then you can make a continent with the HQs and 75% of the properties and some islands with cities and ports on them. Put some pre-deployed missiles on the neutral island cities. No one would be willing to let the other side grab all the island cities, so that would force naval units to be made. At the same time, there would still be a lot of room on the continent for ground vs ground fighting, and the B-coptor, AA, and tank triangle. The maps aren't big enough to do that, you make some islands and what's left in the center is smaller than a AW2 VS map.

[@ascrein5247]

Naval battles? What a rare occasion. Its usually air and ground battles with occasional naval use in HF matches. And at high levels too...

[@pacerrecap6386]

Talose gave away the victory. 47:53 If his carrier attacked the 4hp bomber instead of the 10hp one, it would make space for a new megatank to hold out. Another carrier will arrive in 3 turns and change everything.

[@no-barknoonan1335]

I think you're right. It makes sense he went for the full HP bomber, I think instinctually I would have done the same, but this is high funds after all, the money doesn't actually matter that much. What matters is positioning, reinforcement, and big picture strategy. KMS went for airports from the beginning, and singled out a base to take at all costs. That is what ultimately won him the match. I think it's still possible KMF may have taken the base if Talose had done a good job walling after, he might have had enough force to take down 2 Megatanks, but it seemed to me that Talose grew concerned about a meteor strike hitting his force as he also pulled a lot of his navy away. His navy was very scary, but at the same time it just couldnt project on land, and they spent a lot of time dancing around his meteor strikes rather than attacking.

[@art-games6230]

I was watching your civ 5 as sturm video, but the title didn’t seem to Leave any questions Speaking of which, that civilization game is fricking awesome, it inspired me to play my own sturm game

[@ethanm2926]

I will say, I always root for the Sturm player in any game he's in, it's rare to see him and he's my favorite CO, Regardless, absolutely amazing match a real mudslinging brawl to the bitter end. I really though talose had it and then in a few days the tempo of the match completely shifted. Super fun to watch

[@itranscendencei7964]

My guy, you just gained so many cool points from me for playing Warcraft II music in the background. Only the real ones know and appreciate that game.

[@SolusEmsu]

I am a simple man. I see Sturm, I click video. ♥

[@jeffbraun5004]

I am a simple man. I see a Mangs' Advance Wars video, I click video.

[@chaosryans]

And unsurprisingly sturm tends to deliver

[@dropinota]

Genuinely one of the most insane matches I've ever seen with such a strong to and fro from each player. I had no idea who was going to win till the end.

[@nuclearthreat545]

7:08 jump cut

[@blazingswordchad3384]

Props to Mangs for using some of the best ship-themed OSTs available in Warcraft for this, match always a good time to hear it, so iconic and fitting, can't wait to watch this and have a good time.

[@caryeverett8914]

In case you're wondering, every non-banned unit was built at least once except for Mechs, Missiles, Landers, and Subs (and lolPiperunners). 18 different unit types were built.

[@TheMongral]

46:25 This is, I think, the quintessential example of the difference between "This unit is Bad" versus "This unit is Niche". A Carrier isn't the best unit in every situation, but in those situations where it is a good unit, it is easily one of the best possible. On a map swarming with Air threats, the ability to essentially reach out and delete one on demand is undeniably useful once you have the means to provide it the security it needs to work. As soon as Naval dominance was secured, the Carrier was an inevitability. Absolutely phenomenal match.

[@Electriksoda]

Damn it Mangs, I was having a pretty busy evening until this video came up in my recommended. Now I have to stop what I am doing and watch this naval game..

[@Electriksoda]

Okay you were right, glad I watched that

[@cantfindmywilltolive657]

Bravo kilmefirst turned the tide of battle in the last few turns especially seeing how drake had the top half of the map locked with battle ships bravo good game

[@MatthewSmithh92]

Absolute gameplay masterclass from Talose and Kilmefirst! And from Mangs when it comes to reviewing and commenting the match.

[@Quickslow87]

Loved the choice of Warcraft 2 OST.

[@eldanex]

Talose was so damn tough to kill on mid game, actually seing cruisers boosting copters made me feel like Sami's Battle Mistery (the one of protecting the infantry from Drake)

[@aliasn4088]

This was an EXTREMELY fun match to watch. The single deciding factor to me was the denial of the airports. Additionally when defending that northern base, Talose mispositioned his battleship and it wasnt able to cover his base any more and KMF absolutely capitalized on it.

[@zenosAnalytic]

Great game. I think the deciding factor was Talose pulling back from the northeast defense to support the northwestern offensive from the center. He had a strong position NE which kept his center-north properties secure and kept kilmefirst's northwest forces isolated, but when he pulled back to center to support the northwest assault, he opened up all those north and center properties to capture, AND allowed kmf's northeast assault to link up with his northwest defense. Without that consolidation I think Talose would have maintained property-parity, and maybe, with the help of his globals, whittled down kmf's nw defender(or not: the northwest base's defenses are p strong if you control that airport and have enough income to buy megas).

[@scooote9478]

this match had some of the craziest master baiting action ive ever seen on this platform, insane

[@thelastrebel13]

Alright egg no problem 😊

[@ctje1638]

What a wild match! so many back and forths in position, and super interesting use of little seen mechanics.

[@scarabix3D]

37:10 actual bopter boost moment

[@AstroKFP]

High funds and huge map should have a higher day limit IMO

[@mimizdani8194]

7:05 what happened? There was a sudden jump in match

[@Mangs1337]

Copyright😊

[@mimizdani8194]

@@Mangs1337 aaaaaaaaagh, i hate it. it ruined the whole video, i had to stop watching because it kept suddnly jumping towards the end. I was so excited to watch this but the skipping ruined the experience :(

[@Gutsman93]

Appreciate the warcraft 2 music for a naval match. good call Mangs, had a good laugh when i heard the human music start up

[@lemmingrad]

“Skipper? Underway! Stop rocking the boat!”

[@Litterbugtaylor]

Talose got bored of winning and kindly let sturm take 3 properties for no reason other than to make him feel better

[@lemmingrad]

“Done building ship.”

[@estrum1647]

Talose Rocket was the real MVP, it lasted the entire battle

[@maxspecs]

This really was Drake’s fight ta lose. Crazy back and forth game…

[@ShadowOfCicero]

Technically, we did have an Air/Naval in the form of Greyfield in Days of Ruin. He also had the only power remotely related to money.

[@letsminethatcraft1647]

I'm in the middle of learning substation equipment right now, I guess work can wait.

[@WalkerSunriseChannel]

This might be my favorite Advance Wars match I've ever watched.

[@TheRadicalOneNG]

An absolutely grueling battle to the end, I never saw that turnaround coming. Peak music choice Mangs!

[@Kilmefirst]

Ayyyy, what a wild game and great coverage! Huge GG to Talose!

[@kennetheyancey]

Mangs is an irl Black Belt lolol, so when he commanded I stop what I was doing to watch, I was hastily compliant lolol! Sometimes I forget I’m a combat veteran 🇺🇸 and that that training lingers in you. I feel like Mangs is a core part of our community…I’m happy to get this content directive…better not suck Egg. ✌🏾😎👾❤️

[@_AlphaKennyOne]

This was absolutely insane!

[@michaeljo9384]

Operaing Surgeon when reading the title : "Well -" *Patient Dies*

[@ricardoj376]

I love Mangs excitement over Cruiser Boosting.

[@LetsPain]

Babe wake Up, Manga Uploaded a full hour of AWBW commented gameplay that Features Sturm in a naval Match!!!

[@ManaNek]

What an absolutely fantastic match!

[@scarabix3D]

Mom asks me to stop playing watch dogs and go to the bathroom : I don't care 😤 Mangs asks me to drop everything and watch turn-based strategy for 1 hour flat : Yes sir 🙇‍♂️

[@IOSARBX]

Mangs, This made me laugh so hard, thanks for sharing!

[@ogxh0018]

Whats the song at 36:40? For the life of me i can't find it

[@HendrikGermishuizen-ed7uk]

Hi Mangs. I have something interesting to tell you about advanced wars. We both know the silly movements of the AI in advanced wars right?. What if I tell you it was programmed to move as if Fog of War is present?.. field training 5 it stops right in front of the cities.. it does so so that it does not get - trapped- like it could possibly have been in a fog situation. It doesn't see your tank is going to close off the bridge. Nell hints at checking the enemy range so we know the tanks should force you to defend and sacrifice the cities. Also the game is also designed to teach you not to rely on tanks so much and really focus on developing indirect combat skill. I know you don't score high that way but it is more "advanced"

[@izalco2867]

LMFAO when talose built the second megatank. It took like 4 or 5 turns for kilmefirst with everything he had to kill a megatank, just for talose to build yet another one

[@eulemithut8027]

Thumps up for Warcraft 2 Music!

[@SteelsCrow]

omg 6:18 great pick for music! Warcraft 2 music is so good for this.

[@Chyrosran22]

Another great choice of background music, you really know your classics :D .

[@projectpitchfork860]

23:46 That artillery could deal 64%-71% damage. So depending on how much HP the infantry had, (AWBW only shows HP in steps of 1-10 instead od 1-100, which is the correct way. (AWBW really should change that, even though the AW series always did it this way.)) it may have had a chance to survive. On a full 70% health if would have been a 75% chance to survive.

[@projectpitchfork860]

Im a simple man. I see Mangs telling me to drop everything I do and watch a naval game, I do.

[@SpookSkellington]

Alright i listened to the title and stopped. The funeral procession was REALLY angry though.

[@napalmcannon2513]

Great game for us viewers

[@lero4827]

I come as fast as possible! I can't miss out on an AWBW video!

[@blackchibisan8116]

The married fire emblem tuber gave me a command and I must follow... Let's see if it goes the same the other direction. Mangs! Stop everything you are doing and read En Perpetua: The Ziegfried Saga on Royal Road.

[@oof5992]

DRAKE BROS

[@nin10doadict]

On a big map like this Drake's Super power is usually going to be more valuable than Sturm's, and it costs less too. Sturm was fighting uphill here. The second SCOPs of the match really highlight this. Drake hits every enemy unit, deals around 80k of value, and weakens units on the frontlines. Sturm's meteor gets baited, only hits two units for 35k value, and they weren't on the frontlines. Not great for him...

[@spiff83]

Another great replay with commentary Mangs. A very fun and interesting game to follow. A suggestion to maybe making your replays even better, is to use a second screen where you can use a damage calculator (Because as we know we can't use it during a replay). This way you can find out if it was luck or not if an attack was lucky or not. Keep up the great work!

[@whichDude]

Talose is one of those players I always root for. All his matches from Mangs cups are great

[@DarkOrderSolDjango]

Killmefirst was ahead when it came to capture anyway at day 20 or so, because he could have built 2 Tcopter to get the remaining airport and city making him ahead of Talose once the 30 day limit reach + he copuld then try to reach Talose city on the south right corner so he got time to do so.

[@patrickk8018]

I don’t really play this game but these commentaries are awesome!

[@isleschild]

i'm mildly triggered at how imbalanced the global damage feels in this circumstance. but i guess it wasn't a game-changer.

[@ja1369]

Liking the warcraft 2 music. Consider starcraft 1 music too

[@karlleggett110]

Mango is now the 'Jeff Stirling' of AWBW commentary now

[@karlleggett110]

Or Jim Ross

[@kennetheyancey]

Ahh Mango juice! (Clearly an autocorrect) 🙈✌🏾

[@Zephyranthes-23]

Man was I late for this but I'm glad I saw this, I see Megatanks, I insta-liked. Those beasts just held out on their own lol, and at the end, KMF having out-spammed Sturm's excessively defensive Megas was pretty much the nail in the coffin. I actually disagree with you regarding Talose likely winning a no day-cap limit, as those Megatanks themselves are enough to hold the frontlines along with a good supply of BCopters, Fighters and Bombers. The unit value REALLY underestimates how defensive Megatanks are, to the point that even a Colin main can actually make viable use of it as a wallbreaker against Kanbei (as it just costs slightly above a normal Neo) unless it's FoW. Sturm's 20% def is pretty much busted when paired with Megas because for Megatanks, their firepower is already excessive enough that the -20% firepower is pointless, allowing them to demolish even Neos with ease, and as we've seen, Drake Bombers, BShips and Neos just tickle a Sturm Megatank.

[@1_random_commenter]

Thoughts after getting to the end (Spoilers) .. .. If it was a "naval battle" it was certainly a one-sided one. I honestly think it shows just how bad naval units are from a cost-to-utility perspective. The carriers that you applauded didn't stop the bombers in the end. The battleships couldn't break the megatanks. The real MVP units were actually the bombers, which is just sad. Really wishing for a "Balanced Wars" with the homebrew Destroyer unit and reduced naval costs.

[@menhirmike]

Yeah, I was really disappointed by the Carriers, even considering Sturm's extra defense. Once the high value units came in, it felt like they were hitting each other with wet noodles on all fronts, nothing really did damage.

[@IOSARBX]

Mangs, You're the best! I just had to subscribe!

[@izalco2867]

This black boat is gonna sink: ❌️ This black boat is gonna crash: ✅️

[@Sebby_Nineteen]

Didn't know they gave Sturm 2 CO powers in this version. Is this a recent change?

[@Toast_94]

37:48 Is this a call for Admiral Greyfield?

[@officedullard8722]

sturm is muh boi

[@icaroleal7351]

Drake in a map With Air units: no Way.

[@ja1369]

You cant win with one airport vs 4 airports.

[@TactWendigo]

That was an exciting match.

[@kbforme]

I was in the middle of preforming open heart surgery and I saw this video and obeyed.

[@turbo8628]

28:08 not sure why this battle copter didn't attack. I figured it was because of power bit it is hardly a factor at that point, thej i figured it was to help prevent some sort of wall break. The more i look at it, the more i think it is just a misclick. If anyone knows a reason why this would be intentional i am all ears. Btw, these big battles are way more fun to watch.

[@nikkisew]

Ah yes, Warcraft 2 Music. oh boy im as excited as i was for Last Promise !

[@Scrap_and_build_ourselves]

BANGS. WHERE. IS. THE. WEDDING. VIDEO. THAT. YOU. PROMISED?

[@mimizdani8194]

I was going to sleep, so now I stopped going to sleep to watch this match. Hoping it won't disappoint.

[@chaosryans]

No spoilers but i wasn't exactly surprised

[@Paulunatr]

@7:05 did anyone else see that time skip? did I just have a stroke?

[@ja1369]

Day 10 talose should have built missiles and would have eventually gotten the top right airport.

[@skelehedron3070]

What music do you use in your videos? Whatever it is you've definitely made a good choice in background music

[@LetsPain]

orks and humans from WoW

[@lemmingrad]

For this video, introduction was Warcraft: Orcs vs Humans. During replay, Warcraft 2: Tides of Darkness.

[@Raptor747]

An amazing match! And even some cruiser action!

[@GUSH3R]

Thank you for another video JANGS

[@quirbiefe7544]

what a game, congrats to both players

[@martinithechobit]

NAVAL Battles my favourite!.

[@HanakkoLove]

Yes papa mangs

[@Bolty8000]

With you using warcraft 2 music. did you ever play warcraft?

[@carlosgutierrez3918]

7:04 I feel like I just had a stroke but no just weird editing

[@LK.Cynric]

What an insane game! 11/10! So much fun!

[@justguy-4630]

Been a while. I think. At least for me.