The Surprising Story of the Face of Dota

[@oojikarasuma1]

This video series is what brought me back to watching Dota videos

[@sticky13337]

not only that, i started playing it too

[@oojikarasuma1]

@@sticky13337 I am actually considering reinstalling Dota2, 8 years after uninstalling lol

[@lordtouchme]

@@oojikarasuma1 same

[@sirrob0t]

😅😅😅

[@Xanthopathy]

@@oojikarasuma1 Any recommendations for similar videos?

[@HelixRyn]

My very first memory of dota was my friend traching me the basics in a bot match, only for the enemy pudge to hook me while I was standing around the Radiant Jungle, and my friend as Juggernaut, panic spinned even though he was fine. Ah good times.

[@petarmilchev1220]

I love seeing the contrast between the run-of-the-mill pubs and the biggest stage. Jugg has always been a decent pick in pubs and that made me think he was a lot more successful at TI than he actually was.

[@justtakeitac2028]

I think that makes sense since Jugg usually need coordination to overwhelm. Pubbies don't have that most of the time

[@awesomeg11]

This video is great but it does miss some metas that did not occur at ti such as 6.83 where jugg was extremely broken

[@joefebri3236]

​​@@awesomeg11then it's not a miss, because the videos primarily talking about how the hero fare at TI.

[@cryoboy]

As someone who has never played Dota and only follows the International every year this is kinda like a look behind the scenes that explains why a hero that dominates one year is entirely absent in the next one. Very interesting and entertaining. Looking forward to the Shadow Shaman episode. He was picked/banned in what feels like almost every single game during the first TI I watched (4 I think) and I can't remember seeing him even once since then.

[@PrivilegeYT]

shadow shaman checked a lot of boxes in the early stages of dota. actually N0tail played a beast Polywog Priest [hon port] esp mid so I can see why he chose it when they converted to dota 2. the hero has a lot of crowd control, could push or team fight really well. the main reason I believe shaman stopped getting picked is due to the sheer amount of offense the meta supports can do now. Shaman has high wards cooldown and needs to channel shackles for it to be effective. now supports like Riki or Snapfire can easily counter shaman. Riki is invisible and can run the map since there are less sentry wards and since the map is bigger, you'd rather use sentries for counter warding. and Snapfire or other save supports can just push you out of the way from wards. the big thing is that there are more team fights more often. having a high cooldown ult is not worth it right now unless you can play around your timing.

[@tschabow5608]

The meta has shifted a bit. Back then fights would occur around objectives. Team A wants to take a tower, and Team B wants to defend it. Right now what usually happens is that Team A and Team B fight and whoever wins takes the nearest objective. The fights themselves are usually not centered around objectives. So shaman has to decide: do i save my wards for the tower (which he doesnt need since when they get to the tower the enemy team usually is dead anyway), or use them in a fight (they frankly suck in fights) or do i chose another hero which is great in Teamfights, like Jakiro

[@Dr.Death8520]

Serpent wards were great for demolishing towers, but I guess as pushing became less important the need for strong pushing ability dropped. He has good lockdown but the range was always short.

[@krazysamurai]

yeah teams figured out his spells don’t do anything if he’s dead

[@Canonall]

There are many reasons why you would go for other supports instead of shaman, the main reason I think is that his ult is kind of pointless. Pushing towers early is just not a good approach

[@joec.6043]

juggernaut: The face of dota! also juggernaut: *has a mask*

[@hakkan18a]

Oh my, how much I miss the old jugger with Phase Drums Aghs. He was really good in low rated pubs. Thank you for making this series.

[@saberxjm]

I miss those days when Jugg would boot that annoying windrunner out of lane at lvl6 because her bullshit windrun did not fly in the face of omnislash.

[@jpeezie3192]

DotA 1 is and will always be superior to DotA 2

[@Canonall]

​@@jpeezie3192wtf are u talking about? Do you mean the horrible graphics, complete lack of a robust matchmaking system or just the restriction the engine imposed due to it being made for a completely different game?

[@olgagaming5544]

Well, Jugg is good at laning now because one of his facet allows him to E crit with Bladespin... which results in some insane damage at early levels. Also, the Aghanim's Scepter mini-omnislash is very fun

[@pauljohnong5924]

I love that the way you narrate the heroes is in such a way they feel like Athletes in the grand scheme of Dota 2.

[@nbchannelnb]

The first episode was great, techies episode was nostalgic with the hype reveal, this one is even better, a hero that didn’t change much, but the way to play it did.

[@rosellewaccent]

I think it would be cool to show the dota1 version of heroes just for a second at the beginning

[@Corrupted]

It's been a decade when we played dennis mode tournaments in HoN, now I randomly stumble across some great in depth dota video and it's Baumi again - the world of content creation is a small one.. I'm happy to see you still have the passion, congratz on the incredible new channel and journey, bruder

[@goink3368]

I think you missed a crucial period between TI4 and TI5 when Jugg was overwhelmingly strong along with Troll Warlord, Axe and Sniper. Those three were nerfed severely, as well as mask of madness Jugg loved at the time. It was the 6.83 version, while TI5 was played on 6.84 version after the nerfs to Jugg. I know it’s not strictly related to the International but it provides some important context

[@saberxjm]

I still remember running around at 520 speed with mask of madness and SnY. That was also the patch where dota had the most daily and monthly players too. It all went downhill when they did away with all of that and destroyed that playstyle.

[@foxsteve9937]

@@saberxjm its a very funny playstyle when huge dps manly heroes dominate the meta imo, but peop´le hate it so much

[@saberxjm]

@@foxsteve9937 agreed xD haha those were the good days when dota's monthly active player base threatened league of legends's player base, something was right about dota back then compared to nowadays when nobody fights you for carry role anymore. It's almost as if carries being fun to play makes the game popular hmmm

[@saberxjm]

@@foxsteve9937 it definitely felt bad when a team with troll, axe and jugg auto won, but kills were so much easier to come back and people got to "play" the game vs nowadays where everybody's desire to kill and make plays typically gets denied via multitudes of healing and damage reduction which essentially denies many core players's ability to 'play' the game

[@dzsonicage]

It's so interesting to watch the Dota 2 (a game I stopped playing long years ago) history multiple times, from different POVs. Love it, thanks

[@Tintelinus]

Loving this series. I'm really loving the guests you manage to get aswell

[@Zcizamonster]

More of a league player myself. I’ve played dota 2 on and off throughout the years. These deep dives into the characters and their history are fascinating though. I love game design and how players find unique ways to use characters.

[@bluejay7058]

I’d insist you keep playing, even if the game is somehow even more complicated than league already is. I always love seeing moments of recognition like “oh that’s just this ability” but in some subtly different way from league players

[@matthewmartin3787]

Io should be fun, looking forward to it. If you're taking suggestions for what to do after, I'd vote for the punching bag in all your demonstrations: AXE. Big personality, lots of fun. Of course I also want to see my personal favorites Viper, Shadow Shaman, and Antimage but AXE deserves it more IMO.

[@KindredSpiritASMR]

Jugg was my pick of choice for my longest time playing dota, but these series is great. The axe episode actually surprised me quite a lot, given how dominating he was in pub games, I didn't expect his competitive to be so weak. Keep up the good work baumi!

[@sokipper2007]

I'm not even playing Dota2 (mostly original Dota, HoN, and League) but this serie is very entertaining to watch. Thank you

[@Morpheus666x]

im so looking forward to this (premier in 4h), your last 2 vids were amazing on techies and pudge. Keep it up!

[@HowdyImAlex]

Your series has built my intrigue in dota greatly! I’m a fan of mobas already but this is quickly making me consider hopping into some dota 2

[@zakariazishan7373]

I don't even play dota 2 but I love these long documentary videos. Very well made

[@Switchkickzz]

Such a fantastic video series. Can't wait to see what the team produces next!

[@totallynotnarhei2711]

This dude did not just pull a josh strife hayes on me, instantly subscribed. you earned it

[@Ricapica.]

"Face of dota"...wears a mask

[@nathanby5835]

He’s shy

[@lokimendez4745]

The narator means of face of dota yurnero is carry for beginners

[@hanzelo5797]

Void: ...

[@joemariepilar7059]

​@@lokimendez4745n. We

[@mctushbum6627]

The vids are definetly good, usually finish them in one sitting, time flies.

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

My brother, who could be a pro if he had a team, always said Ana has 1 ability that is legues better than any other carry players, he always knows where to farm. If you look at Ana showing up to team fights you will see that he was always farming nearby before.

[@bark9hobo]

These videos just keep getting better, can't wait to see how they improve!

[@SugarTFT]

I’m a league player so I don’t understand too much about the game of Dota, however your videos are so entertaining I just keep coming back!

[@king_kunta_0]

Petition once again to male a series on the spirit brothers!

[@hyshade5132]

In the Warcraft 3 DotA Juggernaut was a strength hero that had some similar abilities. He had the whirlwind, healing ward, but his crit was one of his regular abilities. His ultimate was a simple 100% damage buff that used to last as long as it's cooldown, but later it was nerfed to 45 seconds with a 1 minute cooldown. Back when Boots of Speed still stacked, I once got 112 hero kills in a single game with him. Fun times.

[@Discopandda]

My favorite dota series on KZbin nowadays

[@elvinkind3732]

In the early TIs he might not be that good but damn in the pubs and mid rank bracket he was really fun😊

[@vringar9792]

Love this production quality

[@VanBourner]

I still get chills from The Play

[@elbryanero6392]

Can't wait for Invoker's video. That Miracle-'s clip where he deletes Moogy's Juggernaut is a must

[@grimb8kn748]

I’ve tried several times to get into the game and just can’t seem to do it. But I love these videos; find the history fascinating.

[@mundomundovich2265]

It was probably even harder back in Warcraft 3 DotA days. The WC3 engine compared to modern MOBA games felt abit clunky and hard to adapt to. Just try to play WC3 DotA vs AI after few years of LoL and you will understand. It was fun game, but learning curve ( which included adapting to WC3 engine quirks and limitations ) was utterly insane, even if you just play pub games.

[@Misheva]

Another awesome vid Baumi!

[@ColdScars]

I dont even play(60hours) or watch alot of dota but your videos are simply amazing. You deserve so many more viewers

[@janminglee3004]

I remember the days just maxing spin 1 lvl of crit and putting all skill points into stats. Jugg had low int gain at lv 7 so those extra stats allowed 2 spins + omnislash at lv 7.

[@MaxBabilunga]

Baumi, thank you for the work you're doing

[@matheo4934]

I love juggernaut. My favorite Dota heroes since dota1.

[@RoCdota]

Ive played jugg since 2002. Your video should go back to then..

[@the.fatjohnny503]

I still love jugg even in 7.33, his spin is really strong and with his shard you can abuse the fact that, his shard "auto attacks" and your right clicks are separate 😁 his spin also stacks with attack buffs😁 (proc items also proc). First hero I learned. Has a great escape/magic protection as well as massive solo damage with ult and spin as well as an amazing heal, if protected.

[@alexmineru]

18:17 man i completely forgot about that masterpiece of a video

[@etiennevanier]

Amazing video series! Excellent job, and I'm looking forward to more!

[@rushadpatel2608]

I am sure even Ana will learn a few things from this video. Absolutely full of beautiful insights and a memorable watch. Great stuff Baumi and team. Just wanted to give a personal recommendation, an interesting story would be to cover Elder Titan. A support? Offlaner? Carry? A top pick at TI... while also being one of the most ignored pub heroes. The research sounds like fun, the insights and resulting video... even more. Thanks again, the Jugg stuff was simply amazing!

[@MitChHic]

Haven't played Dota 2 since 2016, your vids making me want to load it back up

[@truthbetold5155]

1:51 so that's how Jugg got his Arcana lore wise

[@GoldenMeatloaf]

55:37 A little sad you didn't talk about that very very strange looking SF and Tinker.

[@throoming]

Remember in wc3 when blademaster (juggernaut aka yurnero) ulted, the animation sound of the mechanic was the same as wisps detonating around the target

[@unsubme2157]

I have about 3 hours on dota 2 and these videos make me want to give it a good old college try. I like how it doesnt seem to be too strict about who goes to what lane and does which job, i see alot more freedom of expression and not just one correct playstyle per hero.

[@PressRToZeus]

God bless you for including clips of the most iconic jug videos as part of this video. I think genuinely "I'm the juggernaut, bitch!" Is what made me want to play dota in the first place and I've always loved trymike4instance's videos too

[@shadowsovereign4948]

Forgive me father, for I have sinned, I didn't look at my other monitor when the narrator demanded it

[@aidan127]

Fine, I'll make a DnD character based on Juggernaut now

[@JokingJames2]

At first I thought you covered The Play of TI2 a bit quick, but I realized that's because this is a video about Juggernaut and not about The Play. It did make me think that it could be interesting to have "short stories of dota 2" interspersed with the full length videos at some point in the future. The Play in particular could be pretty fun to go over and explain to non-players or players who started later for why exactly it was such a display of skill.

[@thuannghia1212]

He does have a video about The Play over at the other channel

[@nopenope9780]

Love your content baumi, whether it's here or the main channel I've been watching your content religiously for years now. Thanks!

[@Uberlord1337]

There interviews are so well integrated into the content, I love it

[@troydenbrum2979]

Juggernaut had had blade fury, crit and healing ward all the way back to the ROC dota days when Eul made him.

[@albertwitten3648]

You make some interesting videos with the whole backstory of the heroes. Is a story of dota changes in the pipeline? Would love to see the evolution of maps, the added skilltree, shard, roshan position etc. Otherwise keep on making these =)

[@fuu6490]

Miracle, rtz, yatoro & EE-sama... These pro players was so beast & know the potential of juggernaut

[@spacevox2584]

Great series Baumi, keep up the great work!

[@delta-8384]

XBOCT is my inspiration in playing carry when i first started, he got little to no recognition vs his peers like dendi, puppey, kuroki :')

[@goodhore]

I don't know whether this is plausible or not, but it would be really cool if you can add a short section explaining the character's in-game lore moving forward.

[@Hyper88]

Man, I really enjoy these videos because I've been playing Dota since 2013 and it's wild to see how the game has changed and progressed

[@alptekinakturk4185]

Oh my god, the level of detail and the awesome presentation of this video amazed me. GJ man.

[@thebigcoq7013]

I dont play dota anymore but your video might just get me back into it

[@MrTetrisz]

What I really like about your videos is that you actively try not to exaggerate things. Like instead of just saying juggernaut destroys lifestealer, you go on to explain that he's just naturally effective against him and what makes him as such

[@ЕгорДубровский-ы1р]

This video series deserves way more views...

[@greenlemon44]

Just want to appreciate Philipp's efforts on creating this 😌

[@jona777dedios]

Loving these more and more brings me back to better days gj baumi looking foward for the next video

[@samuelmontenegroserniotti7146]

18:05 BASED dota 2 lore recordings Those classic old dota clips are the sacred scriptures of dotaology

[@asherz0_069]

These videos made by this Channel, made me install dota, live the style of the videos and keep up the great work🎉

[@bones7868]

this was in my rec feed you're on the up and up

[@audentia617]

A segment on Jugg at TI 6, with clips of EG v. EHome, during the Mirana/Jugg matchup breakdown, and the iconic Sumail Sacred Arrow into Jugg's Omnislash dismount doesn't even get a few seconds of screen time? I know it doesn't really mesh with the overall message of how the matchup favors Juggernaut, but come on, that was one of the hero's biggest moments of the tournament!

[@pedromsouza99]

The attention to detail and research is just amazing

[@erhardshtengel]

Just making sure to help the channel grow

[@jamesf6039]

appreciate all the effort that went into this video, good job man

[@mercadorodriguezgerson3549]

Its sooooooo cool to hear Xboct comment on this epic era of early Dota.

[@acceleratingthesupernatural]

Commenting to boost the algorithm. Great job!

[@dominiksvestka611]

Amazing video, juggernaut was my first hero and one the favourite, good to remind him a bit

[@GoonOfFortune]

Would be nice to have history going back to dota 1

[@moorederodeo]

Loving the series, however im constantly confused by the presentation of talents with level 10 at top and level 25 at bottom.

[@saracicoz4418]

the real gold part is how he also sounds like juggernaut

[@aginagmi8262]

I know its OOT and I have seen this Dendi play much time, and its still got me Chill. Dendi in his prime was insane :3 Thanks for the video Baumi

[@dr-razor]

There was an interesting tech that Juggernaut had at some point - if there more than one enemy in omnislash radius, frequently right-clicking your target influenced that Juggernaut would hit it more often upd Actually found a video with this tech from six years ago, turns out u needed to repeatedly press in opposite direction from the second target so u dont jump, it's like u could move a little during each slash so radius for next slash would be calculated with a bit of offset, u could also use this to jump to target a bit out of jump range

[@narkknuh6478]

Thanks for the high quality video again baumi!

[@hclw7979]

This made me sad for Junero is my fav hero since i started playing dota. I hope the future will bring him back on carry track.😢

[@abyssalblade7244]

Those movies are crazy good! Thank you for your work. Waiting for an antimage, arc warden and natures propher episodes

[@TheKamiAndKami]

Hmmm, how about adding a brief Hero-Lore summary in this series?

[@ausreir]

Another wonderful video. Really hope this channel reaches a larger audience.

[@mskain4896]

I don't remember every big hero in every patch period, but I remember watching a lot of Dota 2 during 2015, and this is a moment that makes me sad Stories of Dota only focuses on TI and generally ignores the outcome of other tournaments between the Internationals. It may seem weird that Juggernaut, after hardly being used in TI4, got what were effectively a large handful of nerfs going into TI5; but that's because there was a several-month long period where 'The Spin Lords' (Axe, Juggernaut, and Troll Warlord) dominated the competitive scene (before giving way to Sniper-dominated meta for a short period, good times). The Juggernaut build during this period was extraordinary, getting one point in each skill and then dumping each level up on stats unless the game went late enough they had to start leveling them; EVERY SINGLE SKILL for Juggernaut was a value point, which should never happen. Usually heroes that are in a very good place have 2 strong skills, and a single skill that gets a lot of mileage from a single point, allowing you to skill it early and level up everything else until you're in your teens. But Juggernaut's skills were all so good at level one that Omnislash would often end up being the first skill maxed as Blade Fury was only used for Magic Immunity (and duration didn't scale) and low level trilane kills, healing ward was fine (and much cheaper) at level 1, and the damage boost from from raising Blade Dance past level 1 didn't match the value of getting health, mana, and damage from just picking stats every level. The changes in the 6.82-6.84 patches were designed to normalize Juggernaut more. Blade Fury was kind of his signature ability, hence it was given reverse mana scaling to incentivize leveling it and maxing it first. Blade Dance became an even better value point, but at least after these patches it was much less common for him to go a pure stat up build. As SoD demonstrated in the earlier TI explanations, Juggernaut was a hero without a competitive niche in early Dota, and it was this early 2015 period before TI5 that really brought Juggernaut into the light as a potential carry, even though the circumstances going into TI5 kept him from his earlier 2015 popularity and dominance. After TI5, he was one of the few strong pub carries that always seemed to be, at worst, a decent carry option in the competitive scene.

[@mr.bonesomega8437]

51:56 Necrowhat?

[@idktbh6841]

necronomicon?

[@jona777dedios]

What is a necronomicon m

[@pomegarnet1618]

necromonicon

[@theturqouisetomato2991]

Looking forward to continuing to gain base level access to the competitive scene through some of the most accessible educational content on Dota I’ve seen in a while

[@screwtokaiba]

TI5 Jugg section was probably one of the biggest "petty update" in the history of dota. One patch where its spin is not the hero's main focus leads to Icefrog basically forcing spin to be the Hero's main thing to this day

[@MrWarlanc]

keep doing this kind of video..its like podcast for dota

[@Ben-gt1bh]

Baumi nice to see that you are still here :D

[@tylercousens3467]

He might not have the most TI wins but he’s in the hall of fame of pub stompers

[@potatodemon5311]

cant wait for the oracle video, he is my fav support

[@tiopanola]

The swaggernaut video is amazing till the actual days

[@crizd.6914]

TI5-TI6 juggernaut rush for mask of madnes is so OP,especially when you level up the stats first and take level 1 all of the skills before level 9-10

[@TheRoadrunn]

I still remember the dark days of Sniper and jugger mask of madness