Finally someone who Knows that stormtrooper are not as incompetent as the movies put it, Kind of suck that Rebels is repeating this trend.
@olegbalashov84978 жыл бұрын
And rouge one by the looks of it :( I just want stormtroopers to be depicted as badass again.
@jemijohnson2578 жыл бұрын
Yes thank you
@Mankorra_Gomorrah8 жыл бұрын
+Oleg Balashov make stormtroopers great again
@212th8 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@commanderbly57478 жыл бұрын
*cough cough* hoth and tantive 4 *cough cough*
@trashaimgamer78228 жыл бұрын
So basicly each faction would win in the situation they are trained and equipped for... makes sense.
@transamrmw6 жыл бұрын
Just like battlefront
@slavicco83685 жыл бұрын
Philly Grea Battles also come down to strategy, for example Battle of The Bulge where the Germans were better equipped then the allies but lost due to poor strategy and fuel management for vehicles.
@TheDangerRoom17765 жыл бұрын
@Stark The Analyser Depends on the Imperial officer that's commanding them.
@ludwiggugol25233 жыл бұрын
Well, not that easy. Stormtroopers would win in vast majority of environments and situations. When in advantage they would be victorious like 9 out of 10 or almost 10 out of10 situations, however when in disadvantage they still could be difficult opponent winning like 3 out of 10 engagments. Moreover Stormtroopers got plenty of specialized troops that could be used when realizing nontypical task. Rebels were perfectly aware of it and they did great job in allocating available resources and personel in such a way that they in certain situations they could gain some strategic advantage, because they could not won the war through simple attrition. Competent Rebel commander would be simply avoiding any direct confrontation looking for opportunity instead - a situtation when risking direct engagment could potentially provide some strategic lever.
@ninofromkitchennightmares14972 жыл бұрын
In any 1 on 1 battle with just Stormtroopers and rebel soldiers the empire would win
@sadmiral73335 жыл бұрын
The rebels are gangster until they lose their plot armor like in rogue one.
@alphariusfuze80894 жыл бұрын
Is better that they die though...
@williampolmanteer78444 жыл бұрын
They still had their plot armor. It’s just a little bit worse because some were killed.
@Djsc044 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@yoshithebear76304 жыл бұрын
@@williampolmanteer7844 NO ONE survived scarif not even the imperials
@thekhans28234 жыл бұрын
@ @@yoshithebear7630 , No quite a lot actually survived that, since it only after over half of the planet and it didn’t destroy scariff
@dedweight82928 жыл бұрын
Emperor: I HAVE SENT A LEGION OF THE MOST HIGHLY TRAINED TROOPERS IN THE GALAXY Everyone is killed by Teddy Bears
@dawnbreaker46218 жыл бұрын
*Then he enslaves the bears* Emperor: I NOW HAVE THE ULTIMATE SOLDIERS
@tk-55098 жыл бұрын
1:15
@fernandesferdinando8 жыл бұрын
hahaha
@dennissologaistoa33768 жыл бұрын
LMFAO.. I remember that part in the death star... The Emperor should had have his best death Troopers to protect the deflector Shield... Those Stormtroopers on Endor were afraid and ran away from teddy bears... Didn't even stand on ground and protect that bunker the rebels enter... LOL
@olegbalashov84978 жыл бұрын
People really undersell the ewoks and the conditions of that battle. There were hundreds of them along with a team of rebel commandos against like 40 troops at most.
@bernardomelo20608 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who wants to see a movie displaying the full might of the empire? Like a movie where, for once, the good guys don't win and stormtroopers aren't just target practice for the rebels. the second half of rogue one kinda got close to it but i would definitely love a movie focused on the empire, maybe about the transition from the clone wars to the civil war
@tbc59026 жыл бұрын
Emire for ever💕💕💕💕💕
@tbc59026 жыл бұрын
True
@g-dawg8506 жыл бұрын
lew2143 it’s what the original SWBF2 did, went from you being in the 501st legion to Vader’s fist and it was amazing
@g-dawg8506 жыл бұрын
We got the og Battlefront 2, but it’s a game and not a movie, still a good game though
@aurochs24496 жыл бұрын
Maybe even ditch the whole nazi sith empire meme, and make it more about opposing ideologies and regimes, both of which have their pros and cons.
@supe47015 жыл бұрын
You gotta know that the main characters got plot armour preventing a normal stormtrooper from killing them
@TheLoreMasterYT8 жыл бұрын
After watching the video, do you agree with our verdict? If not, let us know why!
@GarglingBlals8 жыл бұрын
The rebels would win because they have thicker plot armour
@ragingocelot40138 жыл бұрын
I agree nice vid
@LeBro418 жыл бұрын
I agree, because they are better and i like the Empire
@AroAceGamer8 жыл бұрын
I agree. They're both great fighters with pros and cons. I like playing as The Empire in Battlefront II and Empire at War...
@silverbare13698 жыл бұрын
This makes me want to replay battlefront
@crazylasagna35765 жыл бұрын
Storm Troopers: trained and well equipped soldiers Rebels: guerrilla fighters Overall, Storm Troopers are better. However guerrilla fighters in real life history have had a good knack of giving others hell.
@Stormfire17774 жыл бұрын
Really stormtroopers would win. If only rebels didn’t have so much plot armor
@williampolmanteer78444 жыл бұрын
Finally someone who knows that stormtroopers are elite soldiers and nobody stood a chance against them. Just kidding because right when they went too battle the enemies get plot armor.
@deleted4584 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@themolasser91104 жыл бұрын
@@Stormfire1777 The NVA had plot armor...
@Ferri-San4 жыл бұрын
@@Stormfire1777 Americans during the Revolutionary war had plot armor
@Cipher_Nine8 жыл бұрын
I think the 1st generations stormtroopers were better since they were clones
@xyonentertainmentproductio49097 жыл бұрын
The 501st is clone
@kevinflynn45917 жыл бұрын
CommanderCodyHD But The Armer was so uncomfortable and was heavy
@ItsAstie6 жыл бұрын
1st generation stormtroopers we're sith troopers
@Patriot_Zeig6 жыл бұрын
I hate the clone wars...
@AccurateThings6 жыл бұрын
Zeigler Studios ew out
@Ayeato7 жыл бұрын
I hate the thing that people say "storm troopers can't aim!!" They dang can. I'd like you see beat one with a gun as well. The amount of times storm troopers have crushed rebelles is lots and they missed a lot because they were told too
@kevinstutzman5156 жыл бұрын
I don't know some of us are pretty good aims
@tbc59026 жыл бұрын
True
@vacuumofspace99776 жыл бұрын
The only time they are bad at aiming is when they are shooting at the main protagonists *Protagonist Armour*
@frostyoreo86576 жыл бұрын
@@vacuumofspace9977 also rebles.
@nanderlizernanderlizer6846 жыл бұрын
shooting is easier than it is made to look in flims. if you cant hit a person from 10 yards with a semi auto weapon you have serious issues
@KSmithwick19898 жыл бұрын
1:10 incompetent because the plot demands it and the original film was made in the 70s. At least they are now more competent than before, so that's a positive.
@frostyoreo86576 жыл бұрын
Rebels.
@frostyoreo86575 жыл бұрын
@Blue Zach my bad.
@michelecastellotti91723 жыл бұрын
Then came the mandalorian
@fountaincap8 жыл бұрын
Stormtroopers on Endor = U.S. Marines in Vietnam.
@monoo_21597 жыл бұрын
fountainhead the U.S Army were actually the main branch during the Vietnam war.
@timb0t39is-awesome37 жыл бұрын
The rebels have always been good at guerrilla warfare
@voicesofnature2577 жыл бұрын
They kicked ass with their air force and napalm instead of the army itself
@gee86487 жыл бұрын
This isn't totally accurate actually. The US forces caused 2 million casualties for the north Vietnamese and Vietcong, while sustaining ~75,000 casualties themselves. The US and South Vietnam won the war in terms of numbers, the North and the communists won the objective.
@nickcamacho27867 жыл бұрын
exactly what i was thinking
@chayse25567 жыл бұрын
Stormtroopers come equipped with Standard Issue E-11 Inaccurate-class blasters and the 16 cling-film plates on a full body mask to protect their bodies. Rebel Soldiers come equipped with Standard Issue DH-17 Inaccurate-class blasters and A280 Overpowered-class blasters, as well as a full set of leather plot armour to protect them.
@RevancedDrWP7 жыл бұрын
I love this comment
@echodad78647 жыл бұрын
Equivokate they can have a dlt19 heavy blaster rifle
@mrjohnjohn12197 жыл бұрын
Plot armor... Basically sums up the star wars films.
@umonly56815 жыл бұрын
The only reason the empire lost was because of plot armor the only reason storm troopers couldnt aim was because they were fighting the good guys if plot armor wasnt involved the rebel alliance would be gone before their first year passed
@cheez25505 жыл бұрын
When I first read the e11 and dh17 I thought it was legit until I read about the armour
@devingimple7 жыл бұрын
You need to analyze their fighting tactics. This would provide better insight on who would win.
@Stormfire17775 жыл бұрын
Stormtroopers would have beat the shit out of them
@donotlookatmyprofilepictur6795 Жыл бұрын
@@Stormfire1777think you forgot disneys plot armour
@SinerAthin8 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't really put too much focus on the weapons. Stormtroopers, having a proper military infrastructure behind them, had a much easier time picking different weapons depending on their missions. Whereas I imagined the rebels hardly had a standardized weapon because of their guerilla style, and simply used whatever they had on hand. Which meant that a rebel could come onto the battlefield with everything from a puny low powered blaster to an outlawed disruptor rifle bought from a crime syndicate, lol
@CaptainOguretz8 жыл бұрын
1:09 - is that a stormtrooper cutting a jedi's hand off?
@admiralfishchipsman5734 жыл бұрын
Yes storm troopers have to kill the kid snatching Monks
@communist76242 жыл бұрын
The jedi:well well well, how the turn tables
@TheLoreMasterYT8 жыл бұрын
I love how every other comment is about the Overwatch music.
@QuackTheNinja8 жыл бұрын
you mean TF3?
@frost12628 жыл бұрын
can you do republic trooper(old republic era) vs stormtroopers
@thelonewolf98668 жыл бұрын
Imperial first class star destroyer vs the most common mon calamari starcruiser
@DELTA_GAMING-rl6kx8 жыл бұрын
I am so glad you posted this now I don't have to try an explain this. 😀
@richardaltre1018 жыл бұрын
whats the song in 7:50
@jonnycat50837 жыл бұрын
Fascinating insight into the Star Wars saga! I’m impressed with these videos descriptions.
@M5YUILL8 жыл бұрын
Could you imagine a star wars battlefront simulator with asymmetric warfare :O Empire getting all the gear they have and a HUD while Rebels are left to sneaky around, move fast and ambush. Love the Deadliest Warrior approach to the video, would be cool if they came back with a Sci-fi version and used you tubers and other like you to create their content and gather the info using their resources.
@Anonymous-wf7cb4 жыл бұрын
Imagine training for years. Training with your breathen. Becoming a patriotic soldier. *just to get blown up by a moisture farmer*
@howdoichangemyusername98023 жыл бұрын
Just like real life. You could be a Spartan from 300, but a bullet to the head is a bullet to the head.
@turtlebender30052 жыл бұрын
Just to get a concussion by a build a bear
@communist76242 жыл бұрын
Rip all those storm troopers that chewbaca disarmed (in a more literal sense)
@luigimrlgaming94842 жыл бұрын
Sounds familiar… *Fortunate Son*
@communist76242 жыл бұрын
@@luigimrlgaming9484 *trees start speaking ewok*
@Antidragon-nl7by6 жыл бұрын
I love the "Deadliest warrior" aspect of this series.
@DerAnanasKing8 жыл бұрын
couldn´t the empire just like, I don´t know. paint the armor in camuflage colors? and the ewook stuff is still bullshit.
@speedbump4hire8 жыл бұрын
sometimes scout troopers and recon stormtroopers will have basic camo, and shadow troopers can cloak, but that's about it.
@buttAttack8 жыл бұрын
well the ewooks were going to be wookies but were changed at the last second to appeal to kids.....I like to this this moment in starwars was just a rumor started by the rebels to make fun of the empire and what really happened is that a massive wookie revolt took place
@recien22548 жыл бұрын
It would be more expensive to camouflage the stormtroopers. The empire would rather have more stormtroopers then have less with camouflage plus stormtroopers aren't always stationed to one place they move around so there would be no point in spending money on high quality paint if they couldn't use it after one battle because the climate and planet they go to fight on next is different.
@marijnvandenhengel33628 жыл бұрын
+Butt no they created ewoks because they couldn't afford making a shit ton of wookie costumes
@brend18008 жыл бұрын
Nova troopers shadow guard and others storm commandos
@ThatDragonGuy8 жыл бұрын
compare their capital ships next please?
@SauceFring8 жыл бұрын
He has a Republic vs Empire class ship video.
@nathanielfernando42138 жыл бұрын
empire wins
@carstarsarstenstesenn8 жыл бұрын
Yes like the Home One vs Star Destroyer
@shermanguy62548 жыл бұрын
+nathaniel fernando the impire is the best
@ThatDragonGuy8 жыл бұрын
***** Tactics outplay hardare
@groovy46845 жыл бұрын
Rebel: HA we are at Endor the stormtroopers will stick out **starts snowing** Rebel: HECK
@gardener71944 жыл бұрын
hoth
@user-iq9ep6ej7f3 жыл бұрын
I hate the stupid Rebels
@chucknorris20258 жыл бұрын
The stormtroopers had DLT-19s which were long range rifles
@Someertyu7 жыл бұрын
Chuck Norris they had e-11*smacksself*
@Patriot_Zeig6 жыл бұрын
+Chuck Norris the Death Troopers actually were carrying 2 different types of blasters depending on rank, The dlt-19d and the E-11d
@cowzilla99825 жыл бұрын
You are thinking about Deathtroopers or Shocktroopers
@gavinfriesen42525 жыл бұрын
The DLT-19, E-11,T-21 where all standard weapons and scout troopers where seen using A280's
@Bebeyedating5 жыл бұрын
@@cowzilla9982 shock troopers used T-21B
@AntoineVello8 жыл бұрын
The storm troopers slaughtering the rebels on the Tantive IV were the 501st clones if we assume they were the ones always with Vader. Same for on the battle of Hoth. If Wookieepedia is to be believed. This does not bode well for the actual capacity of non-clone storm troopers. EDIT: This isn't true. However citing the 501st as evidence that grunt storm troopers aren't stupid is like pointing to the absolute best special forces to claim the common soldiers are elites.
@beesechurger29278 жыл бұрын
Rebels tells us that there were virtually no clones in the imperial army at that time. And those who were clones were old and weak.
@AntoineVello8 жыл бұрын
Louie Kite They are clones, more can be made. I''m likely wrong about the battle of Hoth, however I'm certain the ones on the tantive IV were clones.
@beesechurger29278 жыл бұрын
Antoine Vello The creation of clones was stopped a few years after the clone wars, and as we know ANH is set 20 or so years after ROTS.
@AntoineVello8 жыл бұрын
Louie Kite Looks like I can't find anything backing my point up. Joy.
@danielchew87398 жыл бұрын
It seems like that was from the campaign of Battlefront 2. As unfortunate as it is, Battlefront 2 is not cannon anymore.
@scruffyrodriguez76988 жыл бұрын
And i Star Wars Rebels they are so bad because its a stupid kids show,made by disney wich means the hero never gets a scratch.
@scruffyrodriguez76988 жыл бұрын
RockMan but i mean not even unimportand charakters die too often
@scruffyrodriguez76988 жыл бұрын
RockMan I like how it is in game of thrones
@brucejedilee52908 жыл бұрын
We have seen people die and heroes get hurt
@christiandauz37428 жыл бұрын
Stormtroopers can't see shit in that show! Night Combat Advantage my ass!
@RageCake14148 жыл бұрын
If your in an A-Wing your basically a clone in The Clone Wars
@OneFluffyBun8 жыл бұрын
I just tell everyone that says stormtroopers can't aim to watch the Tantive IV scene, The Battle of Hoth, and of course the beginning of the Force Awakens.
@damientrinh20758 жыл бұрын
The Stormtroopers in the force awakens were different from galactic empire Stormtroopers. TFA Stormtroopers were kidnapped as children and trained from birth, so they are better soldiers.
@speedbump4hire8 жыл бұрын
+Aemilius Brutus plus they had beta-plast armor, which was more similar to old plastoid alloy clone trooper armor so it was waaaay stronger.
@OneFluffyBun8 жыл бұрын
Aemilius Brutus I know that, but it doesn't mean the Originals were bad either.
@damientrinh20758 жыл бұрын
AnimeFreakIncs I was just pointing out, the TFA Stormtroopers were different from the originals.
@OneFluffyBun8 жыл бұрын
Aemilius Brutus No no thats fine. I just felt it was still important enough to bring them up too since in a few years from now people will say the same stuff about them. Plus a few of there stromtroopers had to have been in the EMPIRE beforehand, possibly.
@TheScoundrelsCantina8 жыл бұрын
I have a stormtrooper helmet and it is very hard to see in it , although it's much different went talking about it in real life then in a fictional universe :) But the phase 1 clone troopers have the best view of them all XD
@lilith49612 жыл бұрын
Yea without some magic like tech to make up for it, in reality this design restricts vision so much
@o.m.gbricks1814 жыл бұрын
Storm Troopers The Elite Warriors of The Galaxy Spend All That Time Training vigorously Later: They Get One shotted By Main Characters
@BoisegangGaming8 жыл бұрын
3:08 "Some [Rebel] Soldiers [could be] as young as fourteen years old". Wait, what? Are we just going to glance over the fact that the Rebel Alliance used both terror attacks against the Imperials AND used child soldiers? These are supposed to be the "good guys"? I know the Empire was a terrible regime to live under, but seriously- these guys are closer to actual terrorist groups than anything else. Also, it's kind of funny that the E-11's closest analogue is an M16 or similar rifle while the A280 is more of a "Space AK". Again, the Rebels are supposed to be the "Good Guys".
@RomanHistoryFan476AD8 жыл бұрын
don't the storm troopers have rocket launcher and sniper rifles as well I'm sure they do.
@killergamer5265168 жыл бұрын
+tigerhunter77 yeah, most armies do.
@Hole_Motorsports8 жыл бұрын
the rebels didn't force the kids to fight, it was their own choice. and guerrilla tactics are necessary for any resistance movement to fight against a larger better trained army.
@dixieland90078 жыл бұрын
yea the rebellion are kinda like terrorists
@Hole_Motorsports8 жыл бұрын
also the e-11 is based off of the sterling submachine gun, the a280c is based off of stg-44 www.gunsamerica.com/blog/the-real-guns-of-star-wars/
@swecomics30718 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad that the misunderstanding about Stormtroopers cannot aim is cleared.
@mylegsarebrokend8 жыл бұрын
I like how he's using play of the game theme song in the background
@gianmarcodelisi83408 жыл бұрын
Overwatch music in a Star Wars video? Nice! Great video as always Fact Free.
@TheLoreMasterYT8 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@dawnbreaker46218 жыл бұрын
This was amazing!! I've been obssesd with these videos and it'd great for learning. Thank you and I recently subbed!
@TheLoreMasterYT8 жыл бұрын
+Dawn Breaker Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
@Nobody-ob5od3 жыл бұрын
1:10 When storm troopers have enough of people making fun of them
@IAMLH8 жыл бұрын
But what about the best stormtrooper the empire ever had Garry?
@lyricswriter84618 жыл бұрын
Robot chicken is my favorite to make Star Wars and family guys
@clonetf1418 жыл бұрын
well he did survive running into blaster fire grabing his daughters stuffed animal
@nerp11208 жыл бұрын
Don't forget he burned down luke's uncle and aunt's house
@xavier68388 жыл бұрын
+SomeGuy ThatsAwesome On accident
@infernosquadstormtrooper33028 жыл бұрын
FN 2199 is best! XD
@skylerandrade19538 жыл бұрын
Rebels instantly win because Plot Armor
@poopboy39988 жыл бұрын
No.
@poopboy39988 жыл бұрын
They lost many battle beforehand and started to win more because of Luke and even then Luke was present at the battle of hoth
@jasonwong40378 жыл бұрын
+Patrick Colgan Just let you know even if Vader did not save Luke the rebel still would blow up the second death star
@somekid11368 жыл бұрын
+Jason Wong well they would lose a Jedi who would become very powerful
@QualityBuddy8 жыл бұрын
+jack ryan clearly the ewoks planned to rule the galaxy as the new dark lord of the sith
@panzermkii76756 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on the rarely seen Imperial Regular Army Troopers?
@quentinding78008 жыл бұрын
Eh, I think rebels would win. They've got 4 or 5 main characters.
@devonewoody15058 жыл бұрын
lol true
@guardiadecivil67775 жыл бұрын
@Patrick Colgan but the empire lost?
@stukature5 жыл бұрын
We are talking about random stormtrooper vs random rebel trooper. Not Luke or Han or Leia or Chewbacka against Palpatine or Vader.
@Sapphiregamer86053 жыл бұрын
@@stukature r/whoosh
@TheKingofbrooklin8 жыл бұрын
The Stormtroopers also receive a very taff training on Carida. A planet with many different environments and a higher gravity which strenghts their muscles.
@artemisfowl71918 жыл бұрын
the Cadian shock troops are the best in the Imperium
@HellDoggyjr8 жыл бұрын
+Artemis Fowl Krieg are more hardcore
@daneilfranklin8 жыл бұрын
+Artemis Fowl lol, definitely.
@Onneukbaar8 жыл бұрын
Who is Artemis fowl?
@trolled4204 жыл бұрын
Stormtroopers have: Good aim Good gear Good training And some more good stuff Rebels have: Plot armor Plot armor is the only reason the empire lost
@davidpineda41774 жыл бұрын
I agreed stormtrooper will stomp so hard
@RolyPoly043 жыл бұрын
@trolled The Rebels also had great leadership, slightly better ships, and some good tactics. You can't just say it was all plot armor.
@themolasser91103 жыл бұрын
@@RolyPoly04 Yeah, but plot armor was the reason the Empire lost Endor
@danimalanimal36682 жыл бұрын
@@themolasser9110 ewoks?
@themolasser91102 жыл бұрын
@@danimalanimal3668 no, not Ewoks
@sigis728 жыл бұрын
Stormtroopers use a wide variety of weapons, including those more suited for longer range engagements I believe, that and having incomparably better training would give them the advantage in virtually any environment.
@Marxman-bi5yu8 жыл бұрын
Honestly I could see the rebels having a fair chance in certain urban environments with the use of guerrilla tactics, especially if it's a high rising city like Coruscant where they would have plenty of alleys and high spots to use
@sniperteam086 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! Stormtroopers are excellent soldiers and dont miss unless ordered!
@bsmnt238 жыл бұрын
Evil Empire uses a volunteer army, and the "good guys" use child soldiers. Think on that for a second.
@donleonsroszavilla57348 жыл бұрын
The " child soldiers " lost their parents due to the Empire actions. These teenagers want pay back. Listen SJW read up on the history of warfare, 14 year old males have always been in war zone conflicts.
@xc7pyro5138 жыл бұрын
Just replace empire with America and rebels with Islam and rebel sympathizers with SJWS
@blakealexander99987 жыл бұрын
Adam Isaksson rebels are space terrorists wake up
@southlime54776 жыл бұрын
Robert Weston hmm yes very evil like blowing up an entire planet of mostly innocents
@emrysgeibhendach75726 жыл бұрын
not everyones a sjw just saying
@user-nkmaretsik8 жыл бұрын
You didn't leave a stone unturn!
@TheLoreMasterYT8 жыл бұрын
+ΝΙΚΟΣ ΜΑΡΕΤΣΙΚΟΣ ?
@user-nkmaretsik8 жыл бұрын
Sorry ,I mean that you analyses is excellent and with out any wholes!
@OkayNiceOne8 жыл бұрын
Don't worry; Fact Free is a weeaboo with very little social skills. That is why he did not get the saying.
@TheLoreMasterYT8 жыл бұрын
NickRand You spilled the beans on me. But yeah, read this comment in the middle of the night and completely thought it was saying something else lol
@OkayNiceOne8 жыл бұрын
Fact Free lel
@NomadicalNomad8 жыл бұрын
lol nice OW play of the game music. I know you tried sneaking that in there ;)
@slicer9408 жыл бұрын
The storm troopers are "stupid" in Star Wars rebels miss because there are only about 5 main characters in any engagement seen on the show so far. If it was a war time setting such as in the clone wars, there would be more larger battles and more rebels would be seen being killed. That's what I believe about the show
@xinfinity85328 жыл бұрын
Yes I agree the only people they fight in the series are the main characters, if they fight the Rebels soldiers in the series they will litterally obliterate them
@ArmouredProductions8 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the Empire dominates in larger battles. The Empire was geared more toward open warfare on the Clone Wars' Scale. Star destroyers had many ship-to-ship and orbital bombardment weaponry. TIE Fighters were mostly anti-starfighter ships. And the stormtrooper's numbers, training and equipment were best suited for complete warfare. However the rebels mainly fought a guerrilla war. The rebels ship's had hyperdrives to do hit & runs and the soldiers focused on ambushing. With Vietnam as proof, to take down a bigger and more advanced enemy, use guerrilla warfare.
@Jakromha8 жыл бұрын
Then why were the stormtroopers terrible shots on Tatooine and Bespin?
@olegbalashov84978 жыл бұрын
Jakromha on tatooine they aren't. On bespin you literally see vader order them to lure Luke to him.
@Jakromha8 жыл бұрын
Oleg Balashov "stop that ship, blast them!"
@olegbalashov84978 жыл бұрын
Jakromha not really surprising for an ex military sumggler as skilled as Han to escape that easily. Plus that's just cheesy dialogue.
@Jakromha8 жыл бұрын
Oleg Balashov Being a smuggler means that you are better at going unnoticed, not that the enemy isn't able to shoot you when they do notice you.
@kilorethiw8 жыл бұрын
Jakromha han is ex military, ex imperial so he probably understood the targeting patters of the Empire
@MyelinProductions6 жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT Video and Compare and Contrast layout. Well done on the Military Prowess of both Groups. Very Good. This is a Great resource for Indie/Independent film makers. Good explanations and examples. THANK YOU "The Lore Master".
@michaelkieffer99308 жыл бұрын
Where do you find your pictures? They are great I love the one with Han in the prison holding area. I haves looked for it but could not find it. Thanks for the help.
@TheLoreMasterYT8 жыл бұрын
Here you go: orig02.deviantart.net/e2b3/f/2012/355/2/1/star_wars___escape_attempt_by_henning-d5opx65.jpg
@michaelkieffer99308 жыл бұрын
Sweet. Thanks
@nekolink71675 жыл бұрын
Anyobe else notice how the music sounds similar to overwatch theme
@Saucebrunette7 жыл бұрын
Love these videos! Short and sweet, and to the point!
@sirilluminarthevaliant28955 жыл бұрын
501st trooper: they were well trained. They were organized and they were everywhere
@MrBrico-dg2ls7 жыл бұрын
Finally someone who knows that stormtroopers are not as bad as they are being told they are
@soroka5128 жыл бұрын
Is that fucking Overwatch music in the background?
@TheLoreMasterYT8 жыл бұрын
+SergeantRaccoon Yes
@aaronrivas79778 жыл бұрын
+Fact Free nice
@212th8 жыл бұрын
I thought so
@Boofus908 жыл бұрын
The most overrated game
@juri56248 жыл бұрын
+Darth Vader ikr
@sebastianmendez22178 жыл бұрын
I think that the empire would lose some battles in close quarter combat because the rebel army had a variation of weapons. An example would be the DL 44 ( heavy blaster pistol ) ect.
@johnyan54325 жыл бұрын
love the overwatch music in the background in a star wars video
@hyperion10288 жыл бұрын
Stormtrooper armor is also useless against sticks. The blind monk did it in Rouge One.
@whathappendin8 жыл бұрын
Hyperion nah I think it's just because the stormtroopers a pussy cats
@Baby_J987Coffee228 жыл бұрын
Hyperion If you generate enough force you can get through any armor. Especially blows to the head.
@gameninja-x15867 жыл бұрын
Regardless of armor, getting hit with a blunt object hard enough will do damage.
@kevinstutzman5156 жыл бұрын
Hyperion hey the stick can snap neck a quarter staff like he has is actually more deadly than a long sword if used correctly
@postnuclearradiohost6 жыл бұрын
Y u burry mee, u sor rood
@heebiejeebies46258 жыл бұрын
If it's the 501st vs the rebels, then they stand a chance, if not then rip stormtroopers.
@DustinBaucom18 жыл бұрын
What if the rebels have a Jedi with them?
@Smokedouttasian8 жыл бұрын
+Jedi Master what if the 501st had Darth Vader with them
@mmilinkovic0038 жыл бұрын
and what if the stormtroopers have darth vader with them , rip jedi and rebels
@robdogs36418 жыл бұрын
+Jedi Master that's a tiny chance
@RexWort8 жыл бұрын
You do know the 501 killed a lot of Jedis?
@tristanskywalker19988 жыл бұрын
Now people know why stormtroopers are only knocked unconscious when shot.
@silverlion12695 жыл бұрын
Did anyone else hear overwatch music in the background
@xzavier-om7qn8 жыл бұрын
so the empire lost because of the plot team wow just wow
@ragingagent50408 жыл бұрын
Would you rather everyone died during the first movie and it be like 30 minutes long?
@user-fi1bn6iy1t8 жыл бұрын
I know the important rebels always had a plot sheild... if only the empire won.
@celltechindustries8 жыл бұрын
+Raging Agent Alternative Ending
@agustinmartinez98898 жыл бұрын
+Raging Agent yes. i would love to see that.
@agustinmartinez98898 жыл бұрын
+Raging Agent Jk
@heartofvirginia48775 жыл бұрын
Those look like type 2 clone armor in the photo at 9:23, is it? Also I like your videos!!
@artemisfowl71918 жыл бұрын
E-11 is too short to be accurate
@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa8 жыл бұрын
Lasers don't work like normal projectiles.
@skipfighter8 жыл бұрын
+Jen'Ari-Asha a blaster is not a lasergun
@carstarsarstenstesenn8 жыл бұрын
+Jen'Ari-Asha they're not lasers
@Vreenak43088 жыл бұрын
they shoot plasma bolts
@juri56248 жыл бұрын
+Jen'Ari-Asha its not a laser dumbass, its a blaster
@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa8 жыл бұрын
The Stormtroopers would completely steamroll the Rebels in a fair fight. The Rebels aren't idiots, there is a reason they fight through Guerrilla warfare. 500 Stormtroopers VS 500 Rebels wouldn't even be a fight, it would be a massacre. Also, I would like a source for stormtroopers having low morale. From what I've seen the stormtroopers seem to follow orders without a second thought. Also, 1:14 What are you doing here Marco Rubio? 2:56 Does that remind you of any other organization? Here's a hint. It starts with Al and ends with Qaeda. 3:08 "Armed groups distinct from the national armed forces should not, under any circumstances, recruit (whether on a compulsory or voluntary basis) or use in hostilities persons under the age of 18 years, and the States must take legal measures to prohibit and criminalize such practices" - Article 14 of the Convention on the Rights of the Child Yet another Rebel war crime. 3:11 Actually Fact Free, we know of at least one Rebel who was 11 years old. Its kind of disgusting when you think about it. But I digress, great video, the script especially. I am glad to see the Rebel propaganda has not taken a hold on your mind!
@Fight4MyCountry8 жыл бұрын
"fair fight" No such thing as a fair fight mate
@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa8 жыл бұрын
+Clinton Oh Of course there is. Equal numbers fighting on a neutral terrain face to face.
@Fight4MyCountry8 жыл бұрын
Jen'Ari-Asha Define "neutral terrain". And no Army is gonna fight fair, so even using the "fair fight" as an example when comparing (like these VS videos) is wrong as that would never actually happen in practise.
@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa8 жыл бұрын
Clinton Oh Yes, an army is never going to fight fair. That's why the Rebels won. Because they fought dirty. Because they used dishonorable tactics. Not because they are better soldiers. That's my point. The Rebel strategy is more effective, but their soldiers are inferior.
@Fight4MyCountry8 жыл бұрын
Jen'Ari-Asha "Dishonourable tactics" here we go with that bullshit again. Fighting is fighting. Fighting is not a nice thing, it is not an honourable thing. Fighting is dirty, it is cruel, it is violent. Fighting is about survival. "Honour" will not save your life. Inferior on an individual training level, yes. But you can't say the force is inferior when it has won.
@tdog67906 жыл бұрын
This is your best Video of all Time
@IsaiahReitanFilm8 жыл бұрын
It's kind of dumb to compare these since each rebel was widely different in skill level
@imswanronson35588 жыл бұрын
He addressed this.
@astro56078 жыл бұрын
.bdhhduidhu6 hdhrk
@andrewblack59756 жыл бұрын
But the same can be said for stormtroopers
@Jay-uf9zm7 жыл бұрын
14-15 year olds being stormtroopers was also common due to rushed training and expansion of empire
@Jay-uf9zm7 жыл бұрын
Anemic Royalty Evidence?
@Jay-uf9zm7 жыл бұрын
Anemic Royalty geetlys channel and star wars fandom,also star wars rebels,and if I recall properly you made a claim yourself stating I was "wrong"
@desmondsie31717 жыл бұрын
Jay 0327 ih
@Patriot_Zeig6 жыл бұрын
But they were also better trained and were more likely to survive...
@tbc59026 жыл бұрын
True
@razvandobos97594 жыл бұрын
We need Shocktroopers, Shadow Troopers, all phases of Darktrooper, Purgetroopers, Aquatroopers, Magma Troopers, Flametroopers (Imperial), Novatroopers, Navy Troopers, Army Troopers, Lavatroopers, Mudtroopers, and Imperial technicians in Battlefront 2 as troop classes and skins.
@mari06645 жыл бұрын
Endor was the Vietnam for the empire. Change my mind
@CT-Polski4 жыл бұрын
Or it could of been the Battle of Mokra(polish cavalry victory)
@mari06644 жыл бұрын
Victor E tru tru
@leothesquid40997 жыл бұрын
Is that overwatch music I hear in the background?
@DoubleSlothgaming5 жыл бұрын
Yep, it's the track of "Play of the Game" that plays at then end of a match
@mikkelnpetersen7 жыл бұрын
Love your versus videos, you don't take a side and cover the majority of facts
@korhol20653 жыл бұрын
Now I just feel bad for the storm troopers Except for the guy fighting Finn with the shock weapon, he was a badass
@communist76242 жыл бұрын
That stormtrooper was FO [first order]
@jasont91698 жыл бұрын
Do Rebels vs Clones!
@RexWort8 жыл бұрын
Yes Please do
@partypete25428 жыл бұрын
clones would wipe the floor with them.
@mirage15978 жыл бұрын
not even their Storm Commandos could beat them
@willlord72328 жыл бұрын
clones beat storm troopers so they definitely beat rebels
@partypete25428 жыл бұрын
+commenter watcher yes true cause you have to remember no matter how much training the storm troopers have the clones were bred for war.
@mythatsabigone25005 жыл бұрын
Excellent video man, i've watched a few now and they are Quality, you got a new sub and keep up the good work!!!
@lukemitchell71928 жыл бұрын
SPOILER ALERT!! In rogue one a storm trooper dies!!
@prestonzingg13998 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot you ruined the movie for me. (Just kidding)
@starm1lo3848 жыл бұрын
NOOOOOOO WHY
@hazardlizard25528 жыл бұрын
Luke Mitchell in rogue one stormtroopers die like ants
@bobafett84957 жыл бұрын
YET ANOTHER SPOILER ALERT: IN ROGUE ONE,A TIE FIGHTER BLEW UP!
@oi57657 жыл бұрын
Lol, at first I read the yoda thing as bad grammar, but I then read it in a yoda voice xD
@shidonai99777 жыл бұрын
The Empire adapted to their disadvantage at long range. So they trained specialized stormtroopers just for that, a full squad of those specialized stormtroopers could have an even higher chance to win against the rebels.
@TheNorthHawk5 жыл бұрын
If rebels ever found themselves in a straight shootout with Stormtroopers, something had gone badly wrong. They were neither trained nor equipped to handle conventional engagements. Asymmetric warfare was more their MO.
@xxvaltielxx17898 жыл бұрын
We honor all those brave men and women that sacrifice their life and protect us from the terrorist scum, and may the dead watch over us in their eternal vigil. Glory to the Empire!!!
@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa8 жыл бұрын
Amen
@sc_art54088 жыл бұрын
For the empire!
@fernandesferdinando8 жыл бұрын
+Jen'Ari-Asha lel
@Kai-ow9gi8 жыл бұрын
For The Empire!
@fusel58838 жыл бұрын
death to ulfric stormcloack... wait, I am wrong here, right?
@B.attle-Brother8 жыл бұрын
Stormtroopers all the way!!! FOR THE EMPIRE!!!!!
@johnwotek38168 жыл бұрын
uhh... mister xeno... you should fear the predator and the USCM
@kirillmarine51577 жыл бұрын
ALIEN DRONE Rebels are Heretical Scum
@randomfella35136 жыл бұрын
I agreed
@eddaniels47315 жыл бұрын
Skyrim belongs to the Nords
@bretts.74885 жыл бұрын
ALIEN DRONE there are 66 likes on this comment
@geemanamatin83835 жыл бұрын
The thing about this VS video is that it makes the assumption that the STs and the rebels would ONLY be using there most symbolic equipment in a infantry engagement. The stormtroopers and rebels have a multitude of different weapons and equipment to combat threats at the infantry level, the DLT-19, Thermal grenades, the EE-3, ECT, these were just a few of the kinds of weapons that STs used alongside there standard E-11 rifle as they were meant to fill the roles it couldn't, and the rebels would have similar kinds of weapons that do the same thing for the 280, some of those weapons would also consist of stolen imperial weaponry. All in all this video is good, but not thorough to give us a accurate idea of how a firefight between rebels and stormtroopers would look like or turn out.
@grey32478 жыл бұрын
Play battlefront for the answer
@gavinburlile33098 жыл бұрын
I agree storm troopers are awesome
@blindside50948 жыл бұрын
Great overwatch music in the background 😂
@bassingtheus28358 жыл бұрын
who else noticed the over watch theme 😂😂😂🐋
@tk-55098 жыл бұрын
Lol yeah.
@puppetman25978 жыл бұрын
yup
@fireace50458 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@baneofbrot86528 жыл бұрын
its a orchestral remix
@TheLoreMasterYT8 жыл бұрын
An excellent one at that
@OrthodoxLegion9078 жыл бұрын
THE STORMTROOPERS LOST AT THE BATTLE OF ENDOR BECAUSE THEY WANTED THE GOOD GUYS TO WIN JUST FOR THAT
@lyricswriter84618 жыл бұрын
Not that's not the right answer and I'll tell you why: If they wanted the good guys to win, why did George Lucas wanted an alternate ending where luke would put on vaders helmet saying "now I am vader" with a dark ending. Also: The reason why the stormtroopers lost was because the empire was in a rush the being stormtroopers on endor so they just sent regular soldiers to be in time to stop the rebels, which is why you don't see camouflaged armor or elite stormtroopers. And if they didn't have Hans and Leias smart thinking and chewbaccas strength and droids, the rebels could have lost if they went solo
@OrthodoxLegion9078 жыл бұрын
+Lyrics writer GEORGE LUCAS WANTED THAT ENDING TO HAVE A CHANCE OF MAKING MORE STAR WARS MOVIES AND THE STORMTROOPERS WERE VERY POWERFUL AND THEY HAD AT AT TANKS IN ENDOR AND ALSO THE EMPIRE HAD MILLIONS OF TROOPS AND THEY COULD SENT AS MUCH THEY WANTED IN ENDOR BUT THEY DIDN'T BECAUSE ALWAYS THE FUCKING GOOD GUYS HAVE TO WIN
@lyricswriter84618 жыл бұрын
Templar S but why do the good guys always have to win, if we saw every movie in 2014-2015 and we knew that the good guys will always win, won't that be be boring? Think this through its obvious. It's nice to see the bad guys win for once
@lyricswriter84618 жыл бұрын
What atat? You lean atst right? That's pretty stupid to say because not a single at at was there
@dennissolodovnik21688 жыл бұрын
+Templar S quit typing in caps
@LevesqueGames77 жыл бұрын
This is the best thing I've ever watched
@PpAirO55 жыл бұрын
The storm troopers should have been waaaay more professional, and their armor should be able to withstand more damadge.
@theunholycrusader5173 жыл бұрын
Im late but theyr just knocked out
@thephantomgamer38038 жыл бұрын
dat overwatch theme
@TheLoreMasterYT8 жыл бұрын
Ay someone noticed. I personally love it.
@aghostlyhat8 жыл бұрын
+Fact Free As did I. Sounded very fitting
@redcardinal18298 жыл бұрын
+Fact Free do WHY DID they STOPPED WORKING ON CLONES
@DylanGames10008 жыл бұрын
+Fact Free tf2 is better
@DylanGames10008 жыл бұрын
+SwegmeisterJ over watch will not beat tf2 it will never match tf2s history
@uishadowz83957 жыл бұрын
U just earned a sub and a like. It was very descriptive and i learned alot:)
@TF2Scout..5 жыл бұрын
Stormtroopers are more trained and they have best army in galaxy
@ExternalDialogue8 жыл бұрын
Could you do a VS vid on the galactic empire vs the imperium of man (40k)
@lekhaclam878 жыл бұрын
I don't think the Galactic Empire has what it takes to take on the Imperium of Man at all!
@olegbalashov84978 жыл бұрын
+lekhaclam87 they would steamroll the IoM. They have safer, faster and more reliable ftl and better ship weaponry. A single ISD can render a planet uninhabitable via base delta zero. The IoM required specialised ships and virus bombs for exterminatus. The galactic empire at its height owned an entire galaxy, the IoM had half a galaxy at best.
@lekhaclam878 жыл бұрын
+Oleg Balashov The IoM has warp power which although unstable is far superior to force power, at least to my knowledge of the two. Also the space marines will probably wipe the floor with those stormtroopers.
@JustGooseTV8 жыл бұрын
Empire doesn't stand a chance. The Imperium of Man has boarding actions that would ruin a Star Destroyer, Space Marines are basically pocket Rancors with Fully Automatic Grenade Launchers, and the Imperial Guard would demolish the Empire on the ground.
@bensarchett3028 жыл бұрын
Completely wrong there bro, want me to go into details?
@avengingterrier32444 жыл бұрын
Love the video man, absolutely love it. Has anyone ever told you, that you sound like George Takei? As for the bit about the Rebel Alliance recruiting young - sure, it's morally offensive but it makes sense. Those who wish to be freed from their chains, their bonds of slavery will fight to do this once they are old enough to make that decision for themselves, and naturally, training will be offered to them to make it happen. This is somewhat different to places like the laughable 'democratic' republic of congo where child soldiers are conscripted by simply abducting them and then forcing them to be bullet fodder, with their commanders not caring if they live or die.
@beesechurger29278 жыл бұрын
Did the stormtroopers have low morale? i cant recall a part in the movies where they retreated without being ordered?
@beesechurger29278 жыл бұрын
Alan Garcia If im not mistaken he said they had low morale, and i thought back to the movies and other media, and i cannot remember stormtroopers not following orders or being afraid.
@robbydudley11248 жыл бұрын
they were more afraid of being executed than whatever they were told to do.
@dungeonguy888 жыл бұрын
Not retreating or not refusing orders isn't the same as good morale. They might have followed orders, but been less willing to take risks, push on, or focus on the battlefield.
@epion6608 жыл бұрын
Yeah, you can be depressed, and still follow orders.
@beesechurger29278 жыл бұрын
epion660 Maybe.
@Rhys41901117 жыл бұрын
armour is basically a straight jacket and to make matters worse the helmet has two stupid protrusions around the chin so again more restricted movement. lack of mobility is a death sentence to infantry. And offers not protection if it can’t stop a blaster with all those cons then it totally useless.
@paulh.95267 жыл бұрын
If I remember, the protrusions contain coms equipment and breathing apparatus when in a different/lack of atmosphere. The armor was useful, as it forced the rebels into equipping themselves with cumbersome (and expensive) blasters. It also provides a strong psycological buff, making the troopers feel stronger.
@FrankCastle-tq9bz6 жыл бұрын
@@paulh.9526 Yes, the helmets had certain equipment installed (like rebreathers and such) but they also limit fields of vision - not a huge problem when fighting on a starship or in a building (where the quarters are fairly tight and you really only need focus on what's in front of you), but in conditions like street fighting or wilderness combat (where there are more opportunities for the opposition to make flanking attacks) that can be quite a disadvantage. And the overall effectiveness of one's armor is reduced when the enemy has weapons capable of punching through it - yes, these imposed some logistical difficulties on the Rebel forces but the disadvantage incurred by them still doesn't outweigh the benefits of the heavy weapons.
@asuna74278 жыл бұрын
You deserve a like just alone explaining the storm troopers man :D
@wolfang73567 жыл бұрын
Say what you want about ground troops, rebels had better pilots and fighters. Note how almost all major rebel battles were won in space or in the sky.
@wolfang73567 жыл бұрын
And those who own the sky, own the battle.
@a.morphous666 жыл бұрын
The Rebels didn’t necessarily have better pilots. They had a few really good pilots, but they had better starfighters. The Imperial pilots had proper training, but they didn’t get as much recognition due to the fact that the Imperials didn’t promote individuality, so the aces they did have didn’t get much attention. But they did get to fly TIE Defenders, so that’s a plus.
@FrankCastle-tq9bz6 жыл бұрын
The quality of pilots is up for debate, but the Rebellion certain had better quality starfighters as they often came equipped with shields and hyperdrive units most Imperial starfighters had no shielding and relied upon capital ships for inter-stellar transport (with some notable exceptions like the TIE-defender - which didn't really see wide use in the conflict).
@postnuclearradiohost6 жыл бұрын
That’s only true because of plot convenience
@flyboymb8 жыл бұрын
I think you're somewhat off the mark in your assessment. You're assuming that the Rebels would engage the Stormtroopers in a way that plays to the Stormtrooper's advantages. That's not how the insurgent force works. The battles on Hoth and the Tantive IV are poor examples of Stormtrooper vs. Rebel forces as they were fought under conditions under which no insurgent force would expect to survive. Notice how in both situations the main focus of the Rebels was to escape the situation and not to try to overpower the Imperial forces. Any insurgent force is going to focus on fighting techniques which allow them to engage their opponent with a minimal chance of allowing that opponent to fully press their advantages in tech and training. If Stormtrooper weaponry requires them to close to close range, by all means have the group they are attacking retreat while another group farther back continues to utilize long range weaponry. The Rebels have the advantage of being able to have the initiative in a battle as long as they aren't cornered. The Empire telegraphs their movements gifting the Rebels with both the advantage of choosing the time and place for the engagement as well as being able to set whatever traps or ambushes they are able to muster to maximize their fighting strength. In any environment besides the cramped quarters inside a ship, you can bet that the Rebels would loosely disperse in order to deny the Empire the headlong engagement that it desired and instead randomly skirmish them from multiple directions in order to keep the Imperial leadership off balance when issuing commands. Endor is the best example of this. It wasn't Ewok strength that won the day, it was the fact that both the Rebels and Ewoks were constantly flanking the Stormtroopers, keeping them confused, and springing ambushes to inflict casualties while denying the Empire the chance to respond. Absent these tactics and initiative, Endor likely would have gone similarly to the battle between the Gungans and the Droid army where the less technological force was overwhelmed and on the verge of surrender absent miraculous deus ex machina. In a battle in an urban environment, the Rebels would enjoy a significant advantage over the Stormtroopers. This is because cities provide all the advantages of jungle combat in addition to the advantages of fighting in the city itself. Every window can be a sniper nest, every wall a point of cover and every closed door a potential ambush. If the Rebels were operating inside this city, it's nearly certain that the civilian populace is sympathetic to them. Now instead of having to deal with hurled rocks, the Stormtroopers will be on the receiving end of whatever blaster fire the populace can muster while the Rebels will merely be receiving intelligence reports from the many eyes and ears around the area. Finally, I have to ask if there are any canonical sources to your assertion that Stormtrooper armor would frequently merely disable the wearer rather than killing them. The doctrine of the Empire and the Sith promotes the disposable nature of underlings be they soldiers, admirals, or apprentices. TIE pilots are expected to be engulfed in the fireball of their fragile craft and nobody protests when a fleet officer is telekinetically strangled for a tactical error. Yet somehow the faceless fighters that are trained to be blindly loyal and ready to die for their leader are given every resource to survive an engagement if hit? The Empire knows that there's 100 more Stormtroopers ready to replace every 1 killed. Why spend the money to protect those that, according to Sith philosophy, were too foolish or weak to avoid being hit in the first place? The scenes in Rebels showing Stormtroopers moving after having been shot prove nothing as a being fatally shot is not akin to having a light switch turned off. Some kind of agonal movement is frequently seen when somebody is shot in the torso. I've seen this claim made on many messages on KZbin and would really like to know whether it's backed up by something in universe or not.