Story Time with Dutch Mantell 73 | Ranking Best & Worst Promoter's Kids, Sting Gifted Ric Flair

[@9216years]

It's great how Dutch doesn't push politics on the show. Just great wrestling stories. Others could learn from that. Great show, Guys.

[@kevinkelly1529]

Cornette and Last are warped, politically.

[@highlordlaughterofcanada8685]

@@kevinkelly1529 Sure but politics usually only get brought up when they're shitting on someone. Most of their stuff still focuses on Wrestling.

[@willpower4life]

"Are they going to have a three way?" "I don't know, depends on how well they get along" 😂😂😂😂 Well played James

[@samspurgeon4222]

I agree, James is quick with the one liners...😂😂😂

[@rjungquist1978]

The Shriners are an organized group of fellas that help the community in any way they can while sharing their skills of hobbies they love. They are known for attending local festivals and parades with their small go carts and demonstrating choreographed maneuvers, their hats, and generally being great guys.

[@Mr.Majestic77]

Sounds very familiar 🤔

[@samspurgeon4222]

And having some of the most epic after-parties ever.....the Ray Stevens song is 100% true.....😂

[@timmyholland8510]

Are they part of the Masons?

[@leorocker180]

Dutch missed Terry Funk as best sons of promoters....I know it's easy to miss since Funk was such a legend in his own right that we forget he was second generation

[@RockandrollNegro]

The two best sons of promoters were Captain Ed George and George Gulas. No question, hands down.

[@leorocker180]

@@RockandrollNegro hahaha, who was captain George?

[@jamesf791]

He missed talking about Carlito and Primo Colón. I mean he worked for their father Carlos. Considering he talks about being in Puerto Rico at least once a podcast.

[@leorocker180]

@jamesratliff1803 yeah Dory Funk senior had the Armarillo Texas Territory in the 60s and 70s.

[@charlesburge3074]

Yeah he had to forget about them. They're right there with Vince

[@McFarlaneDragonClan]

I love the intro when Dutch is playing the guitar. Something about it makes me smile every time. Dutch is the true "GOAT" lets not lie to ourselves people 💪🏻

[@DavidMartinez-pg3zq]

Dutch thought about to moving Mexico. Imagine the irony of Zeb Coulter living in Tijuana.

[@buzuxi]

Not really surprising. He made his career in Puerto Rico as both a wrestler and booker for WWC promotion. He also worked for a smaller PR promotion IWA whose founder Miguel Perez also did work in Mexico. Mantell resided in Puerto Rico for a long time. Not sure though if he can speak fluent Spanish.

[@DavidMartinez-pg3zq]

@buzuxi what are you talking about Puerto Rico is in the US technically and he didn't heel on Puerto Rico he heeled on Mexicans and the border

[@buzuxi]

@@DavidMartinez-pg3zq - he started in 1979 in Puerto Rico as a heel. He was mostly a heel in Puerto Rico getting heat by disparaging the island and the Spanish language as beneath him. He also only played that gimmick for just half of his time in WWE. He then did a face turn with Swagger to fued with Rusev (playing a Russian villain)and finally created a stable with Alberto Del Rio called Mex America promoting friendship with Mexico

[@DavidMartinez-pg3zq]

@buzuxi We get it but thats not the point. Imagine him living in a country he buried for most his main run in WWE. No one knows about his PR run we are talking about his WWE run being Anti-Immigration specifically the Mexican border. Puerto Rico is the US therefore is in line with his Pro-American gimmick.

[@highlordlaughterofcanada8685]

@@buzuxi Ok, but he was talking about the Zeb Coulter heel gimmick he had in WWE, which had nothing to do with Puerto Rico and everything to do with Mexico

[@RJBadman]

Probably Mankind becoming Cactus Jack was my moment. I'm a big fan of characters going "super mode" and for all the times I dissed him in the years after, HHH sold it to perfection.

[@suolevramarvelous]

What a way to start my day off: over 2 hours of Dirty Dutch and James. Thanks again, boys. Always appreciated!

[@suolevramarvelous]

Also, for whatever it's worth, Dutch reminds me so much of my father who passed last February. Getting bi-weekly uploads is like a twice a week visit from pops.

[@kazman_6899]

Me favourite wrestling podcast!

[@georgekaptur5160]

I really enjoy Dutch telling his stories...and hearing about Gail Kim v Awesome Kong at TNA..at least for the (at least) 10th time 😆

[@kevinkelly1529]

Dutch definitely has some synapses that aren't firing.

[@alain99v6]

Dutch forgot the Rougeau, Raymond and Jacques, their father Jacques senior and uncle Johnny were both wrestlers and promoters in Montreal

[@boombringer4078]

I love james stuff fullstop, hes awesome! But Ive recently started watching the Dutch stuff, and Ive just BINGED A LOAD!! lol. Dutch is a Legend!

[@missyme820]

Best moment i would have to say is. When the cobra attacked savage. It's something that can never be repeated.

[@georgecarl1955]

Thanks!

[@Habersham25]

This is the best wrestling channel on KZbin. I hope you guys pass Conrad

[@Fencellisk]

How could they forget the great Garett Bischoff?!

[@darensparks]

Well done, Shane McMahon was ten times better than him . Garrett was still better than David flair though who I think was the worst ever.

[@Fencellisk]

@@darensparks I don't even think he was better than David. Lol! Garett was maybe slightly better in the ring but David's character work makes him more memorable and gives him a slight edge for me.

[@highlordlaughterofcanada8685]

@@Fencellisk Memorable doesn't mean it's good. I remember David because he was so bad in WCW. I remember Shane because he falls off of things

[@jackbarnes9728]

A question for Dutch that haven't heard asked yet is what was his favorite territory and if there was a territory he dreaded going to?

[@Ricardosucio]

this is an excellent question

[@stubangas]

This is my Favorite Wrestling Podcast out. I will say (for what its worth) when I went to Smackdown in Boston two months ago, the boos for Dominik were enormous...not saying this means boos can't be piped in on TV...but I truly believe it wasn't necessary at the show I was at.

[@robertbishop5357]

I think that Lawlers son was an excellent performer both inside and outside the ring. He even had a great angle against his father. It's unfortunate how he passed away.

[@ShadowAngel1860]

excellent performer 🤣

[@goodweed4654]

​@@ShadowAngel1860Brian Christopher was a excellent performer and talent

[@ShadowAngel1860]

@@goodweed4654 He was a mediocre midcarder who lacked mic skills, wasn't much to look at and that was it. Had he not been the son of Jerry Lawler, he would've ended up in the sea of forgettable has-beens like Scotty Riggs, Savio Vega, Duke Droese and countless other midcarders that weren't any special. I know people, especially muricans, like to overrate dead people to the point it becomes ludicrous but let's be real here, he wasn't great or even good.

[@samwhite414]

Don’t have to tell lies just because the dude is dead

[@samwhite414]

Thanks for being real. I hate how people always have to have good things to say about people just because they’re dead. It’s not the same but my family did that with my father when he died. He was an abusive alcoholic drug addict pos. I’m no hypocrite and I don’t like others who are lol if someone sucks when they’re alive. Nothing changed just because they’re dead. Sorry if some may think that’s cold hearted

[@benlittle1717]

Well I'm perhaps the only subscriber from New Zealand. Dutch mantel your the man

[@bandicootmania4599]

Go Kiwi fans

[@CadusBane]

Hey! I’m 44 Dutch! I remember that match, it was a few years before I understood ring psychology. It’s in both Ric and Sting’s collection of dvd sets, it was so different than WWF matches that I’d seen at the time. Back in the days of Monday Night Primetime, so many squash matches. Even as a kid I loved Gorilla Monsoon and Bobby the Brain Heenan talking to each other. When Bobby gave his Hall of Fame speech, wish Monsoon had been there too. Watching back later in life we were spoiled for great wrestling. The slow build up to a match. Watching Dutch makes me want to give the WWE GM mode a try doing it his way. To see what would happen, it’s basic gameplay mechanics I know. Still makes me wonder if could do something different than my own way. Great show guys catch it every week and thank you for it.

[@boraonline7036]

James made my day with his answer to Dutch's question if he drunk again. If I "stand beside me" and someone asks that question, I also say: "not enough, I fear!" 😂👍

[@pls2028]

Great podcast. Thoroughly enjoy James and Dutch. Startling omissions - Dory and Terry Funk, both of whom would deserve places in the very top tier. A bit surprised Primo and Carlito Colon weren’t mentioned, although they would probably be in the good category. Excellent point by Dutch about his justification for Brett’s ranking - will now watch for that when I watch video of Bret Hart matches…

[@COYBIG1967]

We will do mine first since I finally found it 🤣 I love how much care you gave for your books, tbf most podcasts now you just say it’s somewhere 🤣 thank you to you two as always , brilliant

[@kennethreedy5258]

1:26:30 "...since when do the Feds only search the first floor..." I don't know a lot of the nuances of this case, but serving a subpoena is different than searching a property. Also, even if a search warrant is involved, frequently these warrants are limited in scope, so the FBI not searching the attic is, in itself, not that incredible.

[@OaktownABQ]

If you're able to get Dave Brown as a guest - and I sure hope you are - would you ask him what he thought of Scott Bowden, specifically if he was really upset when Bowden repeatedly used the word "retarded" during a promo. It sure seemed like he was!

[@priestfan81]

This podcast was in my recommendations for ages. Cannot stop listening to them now. I'm sure Dutch used to write an article for Bill Apters WOW magazine and I always found those entertaining. He's a fantastic storyteller and James does an awesome job.

[@user-vj9qz3br6l]

Yea, it was similar with me. I never knew about Dutch and James until I discovered the podcast, which has some of the best old / modern wrestling discussions on KZbin.

[@troysmith4507]

Terry Funk and Dory Funk Jr... and if you're gonna say David Flair, you've got to mention Charlotte Flair. Let's also throw The Guerrero's in there too...and Barry and Kendall Windham. Jake Roberts and Sam Houston and Rocking Robin

[@FrankaDankus327]

Watching with a joint is a blessing for these videos 🔥

[@BreedersSyndicate]

That stone roses picture ❤

[@PrecisionTom171]

Apologies been watching for a long time only just realised I was not subscibed so I fixed it and Im now subscribed

[@scypsylock9402]

Tony Falk was so entertaining as a heel I remember and he really could have been easily higher on the card just because of the heat he drew! Memphis was a great territory for wrestling, and still one of the greatest territories of all time.

[@russblack443]

Tony Falk was just good all the way around. He could literally do whatever was needed and they asked him to do.

[@Mr.Majestic77]

From Jeff Jarrett and his late father Jerry Jarrett founding and owning TNA Wrestling from 2002 to 2012 to TNA Wrestling being apart of the National Wrestling Alliance to Dixie Carter purchasing the promotion in 2012 to Dixie Carter runing Jeff Jarrett out of TNA to Dixie Carter working with Vince Russo, who ultimately got TNA kicked off Spike TV to Billy Corgan attempting to purchase TNA Wrestling and Billy Corgan eventually owning the National Wrestling Alliance to the TNA Wrestling name change as Impact Wrestling to the Anthem Sports and Entertainment purchase of Impact Wrestling to Jarrett attempting to merge his Global Force Wrestling with Impact Wrestling to Anthem Sports and Entertainment changing Impact Wrestling back to TNA Wrestling. TNA Wrestling will have one hell of a biopic.

[@alfredallen4265]

Best moment in wrestling to me. Tommy Rich limping out to show everyone how his leg was healing. Then Austin Idol attacks him outs figure 4 on him and ties the hold on with a belt. 2nd is when the Freebirds slashed his tires and Michael Hayes said we didn't slash his 4 tires. Idol says what did you say? How many tires. I never said all 4 and that starts the brawl. Classic

[@B10Mman]

I'm watching these podcasts from Australia 🇦🇺

[@richiewilliams4578]

I read somewhere that the Rock's Grandmother and Wife to Chief Maivia was also the promoter. So, if true,the Rock has to be on this list.

[@rogerwallace-e5z]

❤I live in Greenville S. C. It's a nice place to live !!!

[@russblack443]

Shriners are a branch of Freemasons. After reaching the 33rd degree there are three different organizations to join. One is the ancient order of the mystical shrine i.e. the Shriners

[@2ndCavTrooper]

3rd Degree, master Mason can choose to be a shriner

[@OomaGooma]

Shriners have funny hats. There is a HUGE compound of Hare Krishnas here in WV called The Palace of Gold. I don’t think it’s an actual palace but a big bunch of them live there. I’m pretty sure they’re self sufficient and grow their own food and stuff.

[@nicholashurst780]

I'm gonna watch a George Goulas match after this. Then I think I'll look up a Dutch/Savage match to cleanse my pallet.

[@scypsylock9402]

The list of promoters kids was spot on! Randy Savage and Vince McMahon were the top choices and yes Vince was a heat magnet becoming "Mr. McMahon" during the Austin era and it worked! When Austin came after him he did not get Vince every time which was good writing because he never lost heat that way! And Austin made him draw heat and thus drew record houses!

[@joedegnan2142]

Hi Dutch and James i enjoy your podcast. As far as a moment that I would show my friends that i enjoy about wrestling it would be the "where's the undertaker" segments from 1994 WWF with leslie Nielsen. Those were absolutely hilarious. Also you missed the Funk's and Hart's as sons of promoter's. Maybe you could do a segment ranking them especially the Hart's since there's so many of them.

[@COYBIG1967]

James run in Puerto Rico back in 95 as the David flair champion has brought the fans all running in

[@redskeleton4049]

Mike Graham was very important to Florida wrestling and he and Steve Kern were the first I ever watched! He also apparently grew a personality as he got older! There is a channel on here that he hosted.

[@georgecarl1955]

David Sammartino reached his low point submitting to Ron Shaw in Philly. He was supposed to go over but he just tapped out!

[@aboutdafunk]

The Apter mags really put Greg Gagne over. They made it seem like he was a big deal.

[@nicholashurst780]

American in South Africa subscribing here

[@ChaneVazquez-rx2dy]

Dutch should make it so that you have to pass a test on pro wrestling before you get your certificate!🤣

[@kshinokevin]

for a WWE/WWF moment: when "Stone Cold" Steve Austin had stunned Vincent K. McMahon, Jr. for the very first time (Sept. 22, 1997: a RAW show that took place in MSG (Madison Square Garden, aka the Garden or the Mecca).; WCW/NWA (nWo), the Superbrawl 6 PPV, Feb. 1996): Brian "the Loose Cannon" Pillman (Sr.) vs. Kevin "the Taskmaster" Sullivan = the infamous "I respect you, Booker man." segment (at the end of the match ?); when "Ravishing" Rick Rude appeared both on Monday night RAW and WCW Monday Nitro (it was live), on the SAME NIGHT (Nov. 17, 1997) ! (WWF/WWE's RAW show was taped.) ECW: when Taz (a WWE wrestler) vs. Mike Awesome (a WCW wrestler, who was the ECW world champion, at that time) had a match for the ECW world championship belt, in an ECW ring (Dec. 23, 1999).

[@g7721]

Do Dory and Terry Funk and Tully Blanchard count for the promoters kids list?

[@seanchoo-foo8546]

How could you forget Kurt Henning?

[@SuperMirer]

Was larry henning a booker?

[@GryHen-pg9iy]

I love Stevie's channel, I watch a lot

[@mustafagamings88]

From Pakistan big fan of Dutch ! We the people!

[@theLoneWolfSpeaks]

One of the funniest segments in WWE was when the NWO beat up the Rock and when he was inside the ambulance they rammed it with a tractor trailer with Jim Ross screaming on the mic, “theres a human being inside!” Hilarious 😂

[@andrewboyce3383]

Best pro wrestling moment for me was Bret vs Owen in the cage. I think having Bret not be in the top tier is a bit harsh as well he carried the WWF at that time and an argument could be made for Owen as well belonging at that level.

[@jamesreding6336]

Excellent content!!!!!!

[@jeremydavis9221]

Mankind vs Undertaker in hell in a cell not just made me appreciate wrestling it even made my mom respect what they did

[@outlawtinted2741]

Best segments ever: Steve Austin and Mike Tyson. "You're looking into the eyes of the world's toughest sonofabitch" Hogan and Rock. "How about headlining one more wrestle mania with the Rock?!" Anytime Dx dressed up as someone, the Nation, Vince & Shane.

[@dallasbishop6519]

Art Barr and Jesse Barr were damn entertaining in there time in my mind. Often overlooked but they should be on the list as A booker/wrestlers son (Sandy Barr)

[@FrazerJenkins-mb2lz]

Hi Dutch I am from the UK I am a big fan of yours

[@roninwaveman]

42:23 It depends on how well they get along.😂😂😂

[@GryHen-pg9iy]

Yes dutch, as I've mentioned I've not received my diploma. I'm not sure your talking about me, but I'd like the diploma, I don't want my money back, just supporting one of the best ever.

[@darrickcato9499]

I think Punk just wants to be able to hang out at any wrestling show around his hometown. Harley Race was always at WWE or WCW shows if they were in Missouri.

[@SonOfMuta]

13:42 Because shit stain came up with the name, Bro

[@JB-xh5mc]

Stevie Richards has a fantastic channel.

[@NateNizzle]

@2:17:57 Yosemite Sam! For crying out loud, James! It was right there, man!

[@GryHen-pg9iy]

James looking like it's the late 90's I remember kids at middle and high school wearing open button down shirts with the regular tee under lol.

[@jasonbentley7087]

I’d say some would put Dutch on a list of not so great workers, I mean he stated that Bruno, Kerry, David and Kevin Von Erich’s weren’t that good, but gives Eric Watts a pass as an “OK” worker. I would say Dutch has a better mind for the business as compared as a worker!

[@Robert-w9e7g]

Bret hart should be at the top of this list. He dominated wrestling in the 90s and was the best wrestler of his generation and one of the best ever.

[@joaquindelossantos7140]

I LISTEN TO YOU, DUTCH WHEN I’M VACATIONING IN MEXICO 🇲🇽

[@williammitchell4417]

Don't forget to bring the the Captain (Morgan) that is... If you will.

[@tariqmansour9891]

im probably the only middle eastern listening to your show

[@COYBIG1967]

That’s you at 98.1 thousand now.

[@walterhager8626]

Always liked Erik Watts cause he used the stf which was my favorite move thanks Cena for ruining that lol😂. But looking back he definitely did get pushed more than he should have at that time❤

[@josephschenkenfelder1876]

Jessie Venture owns homes in both Baja, Mexico, and outside Saint Paul, Minnesota. I have been to his house outside Saint Paul, Minnesota.

[@lancer2029]

The Von Erich’s were not bad as Dutch thinks. He should have separated David from the others.

[@Maplestmovies]

Greg gagne was the first name that popped in my head when he said the worst.

[@TheMugenmunster]

Surprised I didn't see Eddie Guerrero on here. Gory promoted El Paso. Terry and Dory Funk. Their dad ran Amarillo.

[@melazaconsabor2028]

Dirty Dutch mantel was Puerto Rico booker. He is a big name in Puerto Rico wrestling history.

[@stevesleg]

Dutch, people who remember Sing Flair are 50 plus now? You’re off a little. I’m 46 and remember this. I know Sting goes further back, my first memory of Sing was on Global after school. My first of Flair was an interview between Ole, Gene I think and Ric. Like the creation of the Horseman.

[@jasoncorr4619]

Ones that were missed off top of my head are the Funks, Saraya/Paige, Carlito & Primo Colon, Garret Bischoff and if rumours are true (although never proven) Gino Hernandez as Paul Boesch’s illegitimate son

[@FVK-hx4ym]

Dirty Dom’s boos are definitely sweetened at the very least.

[@KKPsi-TubaDawg]

I actually know "Hollywood" Jimmy Blaylock! I'm sure he'll appreciate the diploma.

[@hectorcamacho4382]

Don west and Mike tenay two of the greatest commentators tna ever had

[@marcelmoreau2733]

isnt that Mario guy the one from story of Jerry Jarrett ripping out and stomping on an opponents eye?

[@nbaldwin45]

I think both Prichard and Cornette said Don West was the best salesman they’d ever seen in wrestling. As a commentator, he wasn’t great but he improved as he went on and the drunk heel gimmick he did in his latter days was fun. Another underrated team was Tenay and Taz - in TNA, Taz goofed around a lot more than he does nowadays in AEW. I know some people love Cole and Taz but I thought his best pairing was with Tenay. Nowadays he’s surrounded by feckless muppets

[@williamnorthrup2335]

Wow! Dutch left off Dory and Terry Funk, Barry Windham, and the Rock off his son's of promoters and bookers .

[@pls2028]

To be fair, Mulligan and Flair briefly owned Amarillo and quickly ran it into the ground. As for the Rock, he was the grandson of a promoter (Peter Maivia)…Rocky Johnson never booked or promoted…

[@DarinMichael]

Don’t take this wrong, Wrestlemania XX. Benoit winning and sharing the moment with Guerrero. Just awesome.

[@highlordlaughterofcanada8685]

It was, regardless of what Benoit later became, that shouldn't ruin iconic wrestling moments. I remember Chris as the wrestler he was, not the monster he became.

[@odessastepsmag]

If we are just talking US/Canada, I think the top four is some combination of Funks, Harts, Guerreros, Poffos.

[@ShadowAngel1860]

von Erichs over the non-drawing Guerreros, since they never drew a dime in the US or Canada.

[@kazman_6899]

Punk maybe wanted out subconciously, but he wouldn't choke out Jack Boy to do it. Yelling at Tony Khan would have sufficed. Actually, I'm pretty sure he could have asked out. I mean, Tony basically let Cody and Jade walk. I think wwe may have sent out some overtures, but business has changed. I think he may have made a big mistake.

[@williammitchell4417]

Phil should have Gobbledygoozled the bumb!!!

[@JohnDoe-wy2py]

Dancing 🕺 Tony Khan led a sheltered childhood and no doubt was never in a schoolyard fight like most of us were growing up. After a few fights you learn conflict resolution and not to be scared of your own shadow. Dancing 🕺 Tony needs to go back to his parents basement and play with his wrestling dolls and leave the wrestling business to the adults. His failure with AEW will make it hard for future promoters trying to get into the business.

[@williammitchell4417]

@@JohnDoe-wy2py he likes to play with his action figures.

[@detective29]

I'm surprised Dutch put David Von Erich as low as he did. I have always heard they were going to put the big belt on him and others have said he was very savvy on telling a story in the ring. Anybody know anything to the contrary.

[@bryanmoreland2861]

Shriners are a fraternity that raises money for their multiple Children's Hospitals across the US.

[@brianbenoit6883]

Foe Will Osprey, all you have to do is look at Ricochet. I see it as maybe a year for him at best where he gets a bit of a push, then they build-up a 'rematch' of Osprey vs. Ricochet from their Indy show a few years back and after that match you probably never really see either one again on T.V. It would be nice to see more but I don't think we will.

[@kevinlahue2375]

I don't think they are piping in the boo's I think they have the mic turned down

[@michaelsmallwood1297]

Leaving to help with the algorithm

[@craigroy-g2u]

what about the funks

[@nicholashurst780]

Probably didn't seem worth ranking the only two brothers to ever both be world champions. Like kinda too obviously top tier ya know what I mean?

[@Battlecatmode]

Just think Dutch now you can say you have enough fans to sell out the Pontiac silver dome

[@dazzle1545]

Really you have Bret under Randy Savage and the Fullers? You have the Von Erichs who are far better than the Fullers are just ok?

[@robleeuknhl3345]

Owen Hart beating bret at wrestlemania 10 blew my mind ..Great build up. I loved bret at the time and I hated owem when he won.....job done

[@silvergee8687]

The knockouts division was brilliant….Kong… beautiful people… ODB… Gail Kim able to shine…. It did make me laugh when WWE made out they were putting women in wrestling on the map🤦‍♂️…. TNA did it years before. Back in the day TNA were putting on a better weekly show than anyone else. 🙌

[@benjaminvalenti1242]

News flash Gail Kim and awesome kong just had a love child called Gail kong lol 🤣🤣🤣

[@justinroark88]

105:15 sounds like a glitch