Stranger Things is kinda dumb now...

[@l3fari0us42]

The only thing I dislike about Stranger Things is how they're so afraid to kill anyone from the main cast so to create this artificial tension they simply introduce new characters and kill them off in the exact same season

[@Heisen_burger-dude]

Yeah right? Why did they create Eddie? Im just sad now

[@idealistic6440]

agreed, it’s so predictable i really hope that they start killing main characters in s5

[@VeganGoat96]

@@idealistic6440 well of course they're going to do that, it's the final season. I for one, expect El, Hopper, Steve to get offed next season. Most likely of the lot.

[@loudfanatic]

Amen, i hated how they kept doing that after Alexei.. Billy was understandable even if his character had a lot of potential, but they repeated it so many times that I did hope someone from the main cast would die shockingly. Instead I kept waiting for the new characters death, and eventually that’s what I got-

[@virturegd5247]

Alexei, bob and eddie, didnt deserve to die.

[@sebastiandupuy6469]

Super mad respect for saying Steve and Dustin are best characters, they’re literally the best parts of the show, pure gold

[@shirodkarasavariamaresh3178]

I remember that line in which Dustin tells Steve if you die I die. I remember saying uhh... no you both got it wrong if you both die we all die

[@idkwhattohaveasausername5828]

“I’m missing collarbones not eyes”

[@sebastiandupuy6469]

@@shirodkarasavariamaresh3178 ong tho

[@sebastiandupuy6469]

@@idkwhattohaveasausername5828 “do you have to be told everything. You’re not a child”

[@KeyFChicken]

Literally my two favorite characters

[@clarissa182]

I absolutely love this season. My only issue is the California crew who aren't doing much of anything. Sidenote: They didn't say that the upside was stuck in 1983 because that's when El first opened the gate. Nancy said it's stuck in '83 when Will first went missing.

[@thenacho6354]

Will went missing the day 11 opened the gate

[@LukaTisus]

@@thenacho6354 See now I've been thinking that her fight with 001 was the first time the gate was opened, but it sealed and left a sort of fissure behind and Brenner started focusing his efforts on getting Eleven to open it up again so it could be studied further. It'd have given them time to build the containment area and shit around it by the time she does open it again and the Demigoron gets out and snatches Will.

[@daneroberts1996]

That actually makes a lot of sense, in season 1 they did seem to already have some idea that there was an upside-down

[@dubnicko5747]

yeah I like the show but at the same time Will and Mike feel like they dont really have personality. Mostly Mike though.

[@milatorri]

I saw this guy's theory on tiktok saying Vecna might be capable of changing how the place looks like for his next victim a.k.a Nancy, so it's stuck then because that's when Barb went missing and that's her trauma

[@aliyahtabron8065]

Ok few things 1. Steve’s character development is amazing 2. The grinch comment made me die 3. Wills hair looks like an actual mushroom

[@HunterMagunter]

Steve's story is the most unrealistic of any in any show. A rich, cool kid who was hanging out with kids his own age is gonna randomly drop all that to hangout with 14 year Olds? Creepy and doubtful

[@HunterMagunter]

@@spideronawhiteflag you're looking too deep into a dogshit show

[@crackle6875]

He had a falling out with the two friends he was sorta close to before he starting hanging out with the kids. Now he once again has someone around his age that he feels comfortable hanging out with: Robin.

[@HunterMagunter]

@@crackle6875 garbage excuse for a garbage show

[@aumsharma8783]

I mean, mostly all of steve's development happens off screen? Like he gets dumped by Nancy in season 1, but then it is in season 2 that he decides to talk to the main children then in season 3, he starts to really care about them and season 4 just goes with it....BUT *WHY DOES STEVE LIKE NANCY AGAIN I THOUGHT HE WAS OVER IT*

[@hannahlendman]

I cannot forgive the duffers for what they did to Jonathan and Mike’s characters. They were by far my favorites S1-2 but then they were shoved to the side and reduced to weakling love interests. I did love Nancy, Max and Steve’s development though

[@NinjaMaster-og8ti]

Agree. I would also say that I'm not particularly happy with what they did to Joyce. Like S1 and S2 Joyce was a complete badass who was always the first person to figure out what was going on and come up with solutions and answers that even the viewer didn't see coming, Then in S3 she and Hopper are kinda turned into this comedy duo, and S4 Joyce doesn't do anything except figure out that Hopper is alive and participate in yet another comedy duo this time with Murray.

[@extrzq]

me too! i hate how they turned jonathan into just nancy’s boyfriend sidekick,then a stoner

[@MomoMensch]

@@extrzq Plus he doesn't even get to tell Nancy about the college thing?? The whole season was leading up to this and then he just lies her in the face? I'm so disappointed.

[@PS-dm1dq]

Let's not forget that Nancy and Jonathan started with him taking dirty pics of her through a window like a gigantic creep. 🤮

[@MomoMensch]

@@PS-dm1dq i actually forgot :(

[@Itsjecko]

The true villain of stranger things is Will’s barber

[@annaliseray2028]

Lmaooo fr though-

[@ghostsontrains7629]

wills barber is joyce 💀

[@taylorg7079]

He's the child of a lower middle-class single mother. She's definitely the one cutting his hair lol. One of my best friends got her hair cut by her mom and had a mullet from 1998-2006 when she finally got to go to a professional.

[@virturegd5247]

that bowl cut is so ugly.

[@Swift-Prime]

I misread this as Will’s brother and was gonna go ham

[@johncmoore416]

I would argue Eddie was most definitely emotionally impacted by Chrissie's death. The trauma of seeing someone floating, breaking apart and eyes exploded might make one's emotions go a little hay-wire. Everything he knew about reality has just had a dramatic and impactful shift. He now has to come to grips with his new reality and wonder if that same fate awaits him.

[@zigzagintrusion]

I think he meant that Eddie didn’t have an emotional connection to Chrissy herself (idk tho lol)

[@idaf3028]

@@zigzagintrusion don't they have a past though?

[@Vampxiii_]

100% agree

[@johncmoore416]

@@zigzagintrusion They did know each other at the middle school talent show which is how they bonded.

[@johncmoore416]

@@idaf3028 middle school talent show.

[@PTS-Maid]

Suprised you didn't mentioned Robin in the "most characters are dumb" part. They nerfed her so bad. She went from "quirky sassy smart enough to crack a secret fucking Russian code" to "sorry if I'm talking fast my mouth moves faster than my brain am I bothering you? Because I totally get those vibes" like what? Where tf did this come from?

[@optimysticpeaches]

Bro I LOVED season 3 Robin! They did her so dirty. Like she was so cool in S3 and everyone keeps saying that she just became her real self in S4 that’s why she different. Um no. All they did was cut her hair and turn her into a comic relief. She was so annoying and very difficult to like in season 4. She got a little better in V2 cause the plot became more serious, but not much better. That scene where Steve gets attacked by bats makes me so mad cause she won’t stop talking about rabies! It’s so cringy im like girl shut up😂. Season 3 Robin would never

[@meddlesome-]

I liked Robin in the fourth season but it would've worked so much better if they made her neurodivergent from the start? it feels like they're retconning her, adding all these new traits she didn't have in her introduction which could have made her more dynamic but instead just makes her seem like a different character

[@magikphoenix140]

@@meddlesome- she could have been neurodivergent from the start. Her cool girl persona in season 3 could’ve just been her masking. And the rambling isn’t nothing new. In the season 3 finale, when El has the monster this inside her leg, Robin started rambling about how a girl from her soccer team got injured really badly. So, she could have always been neurodivergent, she just stopped masking because she feels comfortable with the others

[@meddlesome-]

@@magikphoenix140 mmm yeah good point. I forgot about that scene.

[@audrey9609]

I love Robin, and I agree they did her dirty in s4 but she’s still one of my favorite 😀👌

[@chantehr5748]

My only problem is that Mike became the worst character. Remember how he wanted to sacrifice himself for Dustin in season 1? What happened to him

[@alpacawithouthat987]

Now he can’t even defend his girlfriend from bullies

[@AtomicVertigo_Comics]

FR THEY BETTER DO SOMETHING TO FIX MIKE

[@yourdadbeenfuckingyourstepsis]

Frr he was my fav in season 1 and 2 but in season 3 he started to act like an asshole

[@BeyondAnimation]

well he's not a kid anymore, but he should have said something, him giving her grief even if it was for a small moment was so bad, don't know why he he sat there and watched them bully her in the rink

[@laurenorourke2442]

Season 1-2 Mike was the best. He became an asshole in season 3 just for El to take him back at the end of the season 💀

[@JayantVermaYT]

Let me repeat again. Will's character got buried. He was the (or one of the) mc of S1 and 2. In Ep 1 of S1 he was smart enough to quickly realise that he was home alone, locked himself and was prepared to shoot at what like age 12? Even the adults in some shows don't have this type of awareness but then again they just forgot about Will

[@thousandminusseven3889]

Dont forget he survived in the Upside Down alone for days

[@idklmao9647]

@@thousandminusseven3889 exactly, I mean being in a place that you don't know, where you could brutally die into, for 6 days, also being starved, at 12? At least he's gonna be a big part of s5.

[@porterijsseldijk3953]

What I hate is them adding new characters, that are killed off anyways, and they take away all the screen time from the MAIN cast. Also, the whole lesbian plot was complete bullshit, what's her face originally was supposed to be with Steve, but then the creators just had to listen to the damn cast, and change it literally at the very last moment.

[@damilareogungbade5361]

@@porterijsseldijk3953 what's her face💀

[@hopeless5282]

@@porterijsseldijk3953 That's your problem with the show? That Robins a lesbian? seriously?

[@rihem1602]

I actually like the fact that they added jasons character and his whole thing with the town cuz its realistic, like thats how an american small village would react like in the 80s, not like in s3 where everyone just accepted the fact that a "mall fire" destroyed the mall and moved on with their life

[@tigress_4393]

So true it felt like i was part of that town at that point

[@stay_goldn24]

Yes, but Ngoako during that whole “ the Hellfire club is a cult” situation I was starting to get so upset

[@kyokomi4980]

@@stay_goldn24 tbf that was a thing in the 80s

[@comicalcosmonaut959]

I agree, it’s totally in line with the sense of paranoia Americans felt at the time and it’s clever to include into the story…BUT Jason is still so annoying as a character and I can’t wait for Lucas to knock some sense into him lmao

[@SurprisedPika666]

This is completely wrong. Almost no one believed the fire story and rumors of conspiracy and the town being haunted increased. And S4 is not realistic, having a group of adults form a lynch mob to (probably) kill a group of teenagers because the town football star said they were siding with the devil is not realistic at all.

[@MW-tu9nu]

Was anyone else crushed when Bob died?! He turned out to be such a sweet, caring man to Will and his family. I would have been so upset even if he and Joyce broke up but his death was also just so brutal. I really loved him. Am I the only one??

[@womp47]

definetly not and i feel the same, but I guess he didn't play a major part so people don't talk about him

[@Ghost_is_him_]

Bob will go down as the best character in stranger things season 2

[@angie_gx]

My guy was killed just to set up Hopper and Joyce cause he was too sweet, a bad breakup between him and Joyce would've been more upsetting and senseless

[@subsume7904]

The entire Internet went crazy when Bob died, what do you mean are you the only one? Lol

[@ChampBoa]

Bob was the mvp of season 2

[@zaxbitterzen2178]

His "Joker" moment was when he read his parent's mind and found out what monstrous things they had done. Henry had probably been gleaning terrible inner thoughts from people for years.

[@faithkurtz1656]

Didn't he also believe humanity was a disease and it was up to him to "cleanse" the world or something like that?

[@zaxbitterzen2178]

@@faithkurtz1656 That came after

[@faithkurtz1656]

@@zaxbitterzen2178 ah okay. I've only really watched bits and pieces haha thanks for clarifying

[@shaharkit9472]

so then why did he kill the other experiments? why did he spare specifically Eleven? does he want her to join in .. killing people? does he want to take over the world?

[@zaxbitterzen2178]

@@shaharkit9472 He's naturally nihilistic, and nearly half of the experiment's wanted to kill eleven because they were jealous. In a dark, twisted way I think he wanted to protect her and become a mentor.

[@octosalias5785]

Why does everyone forget that Will had a parasite. He was infected by an intelligent enemy, luring others in to look for him. As far as the story, its all leading up to a showdown with Vecna, who uses your depression against you. Eleven is lying to friends and lashing out, Will is depressed, they are both connected to the upside down.

[@chaneh1887]

YES THANK YOU🙌

[@KendallM0219]

Then can you explain why the kids she met who were also experiments like she was are now suddenly dead? Was that an alternate universe or something? I'd like to know. Thank you

[@octosalias5785]

@@KendallM0219 Yeah I have no idea. I personally hated the X-Men stuff and thats probably why they are leaving it forgotten.

[@lilipen7499]

@@KendallM0219 didn't 001 kill them? He tried to kill everyone but him and el because he felt they were connected to each other. Clearly he didn't succeed because brenner and 008 and I'm sure some others are still alive but yeah that was his intention.

[@Deadput]

@@KendallM0219 Their not dead though and only 8 was a Hawkins experiment.

[@catyfontoura]

for me, the only disappointing part about this season was the California group, aside from Argyle they're the least interesting tbh. I love all other plot lines though, and I liked that they brought Hopper back because of the father dynamic with El, I think their relationship is a major arc for their characters, especially because of Hopper's late daughter Sarah. Apparently many main characters will die in volume 2, so I think that might make up for Hopper returning? Idk, I just know that season 2 and 4 are my favorites because to me they're the darkest ones and I love that kind of genre.

[@ava-vm7et]

Yea the California Crew plot line was very boring especially Jonathan, he was nvr my favorite from the beginning but they did him so dirty this season

[@whimsy_vision]

cAn u recommend some similar series/movies with a dark genre

[@duck-ew5zs]

@@ava-vm7et Yeah, the high on weed bits were funny but they kinda did him dirty by giving him less time this season after the previous season where he's kinda just following Nancy around and being.. there.

[@AirQuotes]

Argle is getting no love it's bizarre and suzie is at least doing something. But yer the rest of the CC are boring/pointless

[@bruh-id7md]

@@whimsy_vision watch DARK

[@DJ_Music_Man2]

Tbh I think they ruined Jonathan bc he was a caring brother a few seasons ago and now he’s just a drug addict

[@fart63]

Jonathan has always been a side character. In season 1 he was just a weird pervy kid who wanted to find his missing brother, s2 what did he even do? S3? Nancy’s plot device. s4? Again, barely did anything

[@maybemikki2715]

@@fart63 did you watch the show? everything you side is highly inaccurate

[@raspberryleaf258]

His drug addiction makes sense bcs the adults around him always dealt with their problems like that when he grew up but it's so sad to see that be the ONLY aspect of his character. I'm currently watching ST again bcs I really really like the first 2 seasons but I just kinda forgot about it bcs I didn't really like the last one all that much. I do think this show still has lots of potential and since S5 is supposed to be more Will- focused I really hope things come full circle and the show moves back to it's roots again.

[@DJ_Music_Man2]

@@raspberryleaf258 yeah but jonathon was pretty cool in about season 1 to 3 but now he’s just a dead character. And Mike feels so dead now as if his actor has just given up completely in the first seasons Mike was an interesting character but now he’s just boring

[@corymorrow5329]

he's adrug addict because he starts smoking pot with his friend? get real, look up what a drug addict is, he isn't one

[@lekatamur4451]

My dad summarized the first few episodes of this season perfectly: it starts off as a romantic comedy for high schoolers and ends like a psychological horror

[@rommix0]

@@aureum7479 Your dad is even more off base. He gave birth to you.

[@PurgPurg]

Maybe true but to me it was mainly a romantic comedy with spooky dark drama all the way through

[@marikhadlin3835]

yes

[@KamikazeChinaman]

It never ceased to be a romantic comedy.

[@13Kr4zYAzN13]

I mean honestly...the show is just _like_ that lol

[@pvtrickallan]

As much as I love Hopper, it would have been fitting if he actually died at the end of Season 3. This would have eliminated the whole Russian storyline so that they could give more character development screentime for Mike, Will, and Jonathan.

[@st4rgirl251]

YESSS!! i also think if Max dies on life support it would make the show much more deeper and realistic cause they still haven’t killed off a main character yet so it’s pretty generic

[@karlab.3780]

this is a great observation!

[@GraceMariex3]

@DorksAreCool B.T I wouldn’t consider him a main character. He’s only in season 4. Anyone who is original to season 1 would be a main character IMO

[@ella5286]

@@GraceMariex3 max wasn’t in season 1 tho lol but I do agree with u

[@GraceMariex3]

@@ella5286 yeah that’s true. I would’ve been so sad if they killed her off. We’ll see in season 5!

[@raijdfioajsdf343]

I always assumed Will had bad bowl haircuts to show that his family was basically too poor to afford real haircuts, so Joyce just used the classic bowl style which she could do herself.

[@person4280]

The hair stylist for the show actually said this was the inspiration for their haircuts, that Joyce had just done them herself.

[@omarmansuri7099]

I'm shocked Will isn't just as if not more bullied than El due to his haircut. Like If that kid walked into my highschool with that haircut, bullies would have a field day with him

[@user-xt3nq4wj2u]

@@omarmansuri7099 It was a normal haircut in the 80’s.

[@nobodysodontask588]

Oliver Tree's long lost brother eyy

[@onesweetangel1017]

@@omarmansuri7099 Will was bullied in the previous seasons but not for his appearance. People called him “zombie boy” for being pronounced dead but then coming back and also was called “queer” and other names by people believing he is gay.

[@greenghoul157]

It's so frustrating that we keep getting new characters but no development for the main kids, I feel like the ones that are good are holding the show together, more Steve and Dustin duo please

[@micheal009]

no that’s not what we need, that’s literally the last thing we need, they’re focusing on things like steve and dustin being a duo and robin and erica and others too much and just not developing other main characters. they should make the other characters interesting and enjoyable too rather than continuing to write them poorly and focusing completely on the fan favourites.

[@Ghost_is_him_]

@@micheal009 I hear u, but I mean Dustin and Steve carried the show at times personally

[@GBParz]

little tip: if u r watching a series and along the way new random characters are introduced don't get attached. 70% of the time they are introduced to be used as sacrificial lambs for the storyline.

[@teenagehorrors123]

yep i'm scared for eddie

[@arfansthename]

let's see... bob... billy... alexei... yeah checks out

[@oprincesslivie02]

Alexei 🥲

[@wewantthefunk]

Lmfaooo facts cause I wanted Chrissy to live at least a few minutes longer💀

[@alethiastafford6061]

It’s too predictable and it’s not as impactful unless it is a main character this season. It has to.

[@Cosmic_Solace]

I loved this season despite the plotholes you mentioned. The only thing I didn't like is that they killed off Eddie who was adding a lot to the story, it felt like they just introduced new characters this season, to kill them off because they're too scared to kill any main characters. Same with Billy Hargrove..the whole volatile child grows up to be a sacrificial adult trope.

[@prismix0870]

bruh chill with the spoilers

[@SaiyanGamer14]

@@prismix0870 dont read comments if you dont want spoilers

[@Biscusted]

i mean, eddie wouldn't have to go to prison now. if he was alive he would be the main suspect on the murders. And the cops would definitely not believe his story. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@stillsandman]

@@Biscusted I agree, letting Eddie live wouldn’t make much sense because he would then be sentenced for pretty much all his life in prison. There wouldn’t have been a way to clear his name

[@toskuxklan711]

😂😂😂 legit no knowledge in this comment but fan girling😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jasminebaker3627]

I wish Will played a bigger part in this whole grand scheme. I feel like everything that happened to him was just kinda…forgotten? Pushed to the side? I feel like they could do so much with Will’s character and don’t bc they clearly don’t care about him anymore

[@lenakingsleigh]

So true!

[@leahlewiswashere]

EXACTLY

[@oliviajefcoat3132]

I almost feel like that’s going to be his arc. Like he’s been pushed aside for so long and I think he’s finally going to get his moment at the end and the others will understand or something similar to that. But that’s just my lil theory :))

[@miramelander586]

SO TRUE!! I feel like he’s been benched by the writers which is unfair to his character and the undoubtedly intense trauma he went through in seasons one and two. I really hope they explore his character more in volume 2 and in season 5.

[@lopezcarmencecilia]

Something will happen in the last episode regarding Will's drawing...

[@spinnenlillie]

I swear when you mentioned Jason I was like “who the actual f**k is Jason” and that just goes to show how forgettable and underdeveloped of these new characters are and the fact that there’s gonna be another new season makes me wonder how they’re gonna nerf this show once again

[@mallorycarpinski1160]

It wasn't until I got to that part in the video after reading your comment that it clicked who Jason was. So yea, agreed.

[@tokyotopaz3637]

Who's Jason lol👀

[@blazingexil4003]

This was the best season since season 1

[@breadbasket3685]

@@blazingexil4003 disagree

[@blazingexil4003]

@@breadbasket3685 disagree

[@asia3882]

Satanic panic was a real thing in the 80's therefore Jason's story line was waaaaaay more relevant than we give it credit for, which I understand cuz we don't like him but understand that in the 80's, a lot of people were actually calling DnD a cult and was regularly said to have claimed the lives of multiple innocent young people. (Idk how true it is that some kids used DnD as an excuse, I'd have to do more research about it, but it seems highly unlikely and parents were worried about their "poor children's brain rotting" so they made up some silly lie about the game that more than likely turned up a few real cases causing real panic amongst parents and children alike) Holy crow 1.1k likes? I'm famous y'all lol

[@ramflight]

There's even a bad, really bad movie with Tom Hanks about how D&D turns your mind into jelly and makes you crazy.

[@MaiiOrduna]

@@ramflight what movie?

[@ramflight]

@@MaiiOrduna Mazes and Monsters. No joke, that's the name.

[@MaiiOrduna]

@@ramflight lmao, I'll check it out thanks!

[@sarasunshinemt4444]

I remember the rumors and "common" sense from that time; that some kid committed suicide after his D&D character died or that a bunch of teens were ritualisticly killing animals and young kids, etc I was born in 1978 so I was a preteen when most of this crap went down. Made an impression on how the media (who hyped the ever lovin' SHIT out of these rumors) were able to turn normal logical people into paranoid reactionaries. Back then, we absolutely trusted the media. Nowadays...well, we damn sure know better.

[@katrinaisley6088]

what confuses me about Mike is that he’s literally witnessed Eleven commit multiple crimes (shop lifting, murder, etc.) but her hitting a bully in the face with a skate is where he draws the line???? What????

[@Th0mat0]

She did do it in public which could’ve gotten them in trouble abit Mike’s reaction is still weird

[@yubelwish]

People grow and mature especially when you're at the age where you can get charged

[@SooyeonIdle]

He’s a hypocrite

[@FirstnameLastname-zq8oy]

To be fair hitting someone in the head so hard that they need a paramedic is far worse morally than shoplifting is LMFAO (even if the victim was your bully) but yeah, eleven has literally killed people before so not sure why mike was so surprised

[@katrinaisley6088]

@@FirstnameLastname-zq8oy that is true- I get having a reaction towards it especially because of how publicly it happened but it just threw me off how big the reaction was initially

[@LoraK31]

With the Mike point, it's possible that he just matured past that. Like, when he was a kid seeing his bullies get beat up was awesome, but now that he's older he realizes how messed up it is. I totally agree that his character is basically pointless now though lol.

[@yubelwish]

Yep and that they can get charged for assault

[@4everbuffylover]

It wasn’t just being beat up either. She smacked that girl hard in the face with a skate. I thought she was gonna cave in her face

[@Jogoat286]

I don't think he necessarily matured past it, Mike's bully was about to kill him and El's bully is just your typical highschool bully.

[@limeish8467]

Not ”messed up” to hurt a bully

[@tigress_4393]

exactly, I thought the same thing

[@Clisare]

I quite liked Stranger Things S4… as it’s own standalone series that had nothing to do with the previous three seasons. It feels like the first two seasons were exploring the first idea the showrunners had for the reasoning behind the upside down and then the fourth season was them exploring a totally different narrative. Like, in this one, Vecna picks on people with trauma and lifts them into the air to kill them, but in the first season, people were killed and/or brought into the upside down randomly?! what relation had the demigorgon to Vecna, I don’t feel like that was ever adequately mapped out.

[@febbledebble]

To be fair there's still one season left for everything to be wrapped up. The writers are apparently planning to make season 5 as big as season 4, so it'll have enough time to cram all the answers in and tie up final character arcs.

[@lelaroonii]

according to the writers, all of those questions will be answered in season 5. apparently season 5 is going to entirely explain the upside down and all the aspects of it, so hopefully your specific question will be answered!

[@wiseguy240Winston]

Don't feel like you went over Lucas well, he actually did change or grow to a degree and in a pretty realistic manner. Lucas didn't want to be a nerd or a loser anymore but at the same time he wanted to elevate his friends with him as opposed to ditching them for popularity. So he started working out, playing sports and hanging with the popular kids also due to the fact he was sick of being bullied and feeling like less.

[@safcjoe7062]

Plus, he's allowed his own interests but the minute he has to choose between the jocks and the gang he goes back to them because he's loyal. The only point I agree with this Alex guy about the development part is that Dustin is clearly the most developed out of the 4 originals.

[@BassLineProductionsI]

And even though max dumped him he still has genuine care for her regardless. I think Lucas is probably one of the more realistic characters and well acted

[@luanamulhern2973]

Lucas went trough so much. I don't believe he would have just cared about being popular like the other kids. doesn't make sense, specially since the first two season of stranger things shows how cool it is to be a "loser" when you have your friends. why would he backtrack like that?

[@wiseguy240Winston]

@@safcjoe7062 Yeah I liked that he still stayed loyal even when his 2 interests conflicted. He saw that jock Jason went nuts and started beating ppl up due to the loss of his girl. Lucas knew he couldn't let that manic find his day 1's.😩

[@wiseguy240Winston]

@@BassLineProductionsI No doubt he cared but it was awkward for the 2 to approach each other directly lol. The feelings were still mutual between the 2.

[@ChickenMccZoe]

Dustin, Steve, and Robin are the golden trio of the series. Whenever any of them are together, it is pure magic.

[@SooyeonIdle]

I agree here

[@wonderwalledit]

Yes robin is the real MVP

[@duck-ew5zs]

The "I'll punch you so hard your teeth will fall back out" conversation on the car was funny af. Really felt like just two bros hanging around

[@V5END]

Dont forget Arica

[@ChickenMccZoe]

@@V5END Erica's a hot fourth for me. If they'd used her a bit better in the earlier seasons, then yeah, absolutely. Robin, on the other hand, came in and *immediately* made a mark.

[@lucysnell6582]

Will could be a really interesting character, if the writers actually gave him the time of day

[@monk4ever]

Will was my favorite character in the first three seasons. In season 4 he was made out to be a weak crying little girl.

[@crimsonghoul8983]

According to them, that will be the focus of the show in the final season.

[@kayley196]

@@monk4ever will has enough trauma from the upside down and the mindflayer to be put in a psych ward PLUS he's gay in the 80's AND had to be a relationship counselor to his best friend (who he's in love with). but sure, he's just a "weak crying little girl".

[@DrRhyhm]

The writers already said that Will's character will be the focus on Season 5

[@ophanimangel3143]

@@DrRhyhm Why didn’t they do so in previous seasons? Even Max and Lucas’ sister had much more purpose in those seasons than ever Will did (except season 2).

[@fandomaddict505]

I think my biggest complaint with stranger things is that they refuse to kill anyone from the main cast unless they’re introduced that same season or an antagonist. Barb was the only character with an excuse for that since it was impossible for her to have been introduced any earlier than she was. It also bugs me that any time an established main character has “died,” it’s been a fake out, like with hopper at the end of season 3 or max at the end of season 4. Going into season 4 i had a really strong feeling that a main character would actually die, so strong that in the graveyard scene with max and when steve was attacked by demobats i genuinely panicked about whether they would make it out. And then at the end that all finally paid off when max started floating off the ground with no music around to save her, and i cried so hard that i had to stop watching for several minutes to calm down. And then i hit play and it cuts to el saying “no” and i knew that she would save max, and it just pissed me off. It makes me feel like an idiot and i refuse to get so worried about the main characters again because now i know that the duffers dont have the guts to kill off an important character like that

[@anarchistgoddess6492]

the writers have to stop introducing new side characters just for the sake of killing them off so they don’t have to kill off the main characters. They also give the side characters more personality than the main ones so I would care more about their deaths than some of the main characters. Like Bob and the Russian scientist, Alexi. Their deaths hurt more than Lucas or Mikes would tbh lol. Because they add too many characters before ever fleshing out the main ones. So now you just have a bunch of characters no one gives a crap about. Literally all side characters have more personality than the main ones. Argyle, Billy (a bad personality is still a personality lol), Eddie, Murray, etc.

[@dblundz]

Eddie is honestly one the best things the show has added in awhile ( and that guitar solo tease for part 2 looks awesome)

[@natashka_roos]

That's what I'm sayinggggg

[@Boa8128]

How

[@phenomskllz2502]

Worst*

[@Jhayzer021]

How?, he is barely in it until episode 7.

[@nativenewyorker3144]

@@Boa8128 he’s become a fan favorite extremely quickly. He was a great misdirect character. They set up this aggressive, intimidating punk rock character who made you seem like it was another billy and he turns out to be a sweet, dork who likes music, board games, etc and who cares for his new friends.

[@nina__serafina]

something i find funny is that Joyce really enrolled Eleven into a public high school when she spent almost her entire life in Hawkins lab and probably doesn't even know basic math. I doubt Dr. Brenner was teaching her what to do if Jerry gave Cindy 5 apples and he has seven how many does he have left?

[@slumpbin]

LMFAOO

[@naomi3948]

i honestly think it’s the best option she had. eleven spent most of her childhood abused and isolated, and she needs stability and to feel like a normal teenager. if she were to be homeschooled she would’ve felt even more alone and distant, and obviously you can’t put her in a class of 4th or 5th grader, so this was the best option. and besides, she said she is good at math and stuff, and the language gap is being closed slowly

[@airakimgad9745]

@@naomi3948 also to add, Hopper by the end of the second season asked Dr. Owen if he could somehow make her (Eleven) live normally. I guess that was granted after his death and them moving away. I'd give the idea of maybe she was somehow prepped before going to a public school or rigged the system for her to advance and be on the same grade level.

[@mafaldasantos8671]

@@airakimgad9745 I think it's implied in s2 and s3 that Hopper teached some basics to El

[@airakimgad9745]

@@mafaldasantos8671 true but it showed more of him teaching her survival instincts than social skills i mean after all he is a cop trying to protect her but that also had a downfall seeing as he isolated her from the rest to protect her. It backfired when she had a tantrum moment and blew all the windowsill to pieces.

[@ottertheolive]

for eleven, i think the whole point was that after hoper “died”, she started trauma blocking even more of her already limited memory. i feel as if her season two and three story lines show how dependent she was on hoper, and having him stripped away from her like she was would definitely cause trauma (especially considering the circumstances), and she’d block more and more of her memory to keep herself safe. it makes sense she wouldn’t remember opening the gate considering she was so young and already messed up at the time of the incident. i think this was over all a pretty good season, one of my only complaints is how many different story lines they were following at a time, it was a bit difficult to follow everything, and i wish they had focused a bit more on the california crew, but other then that i feel like volume two will most likely tie up any other (seemingly) lose ends

[@maem7462]

I will agree the multiple different storylines was a bit wonky. I kinda felt like once 11 left they were like oh what do we do with Will, Mike, Jonathan, and Argyle. The stuff that happens is kinda fun but that storyline was a very different tone than the rest of the somewhat more serious but still had funny moments especially in that moment when most the rest of the story was serious

[@leahrose4]

Yeah, I’ve kind of had enough of the California storyline and Jonathan and Mike are two of my favourite characters. Also with Eleven, I feel like she’s always been dependent on Hopper and Mike, like when in season 3 max was telling her she can be dependent without them and make her own decisions, but she still depended on them. So I think her losing Hopper, and not even being able to do anything to stop him ‘dying’, affected her a lot. And the fact that Mike stopped saying he loved her and didn’t write it in those letters affected her, on top of everything with the bullies, probably made her feel so useless and unwanted. And with the whole Kali thing, Eleven and her were so different, with Kali wanting revenge and Eleven showing mercy when she saw that that man had children, that Kali’s method of anger wouldn’t necessarily always work for Eleven, but at that time she probably felt like she let Kali down because she didn’t kill him

[@THEMOCU]

Exactly what i wanted to say!!

[@TheHedgehogGiraffe]

I don’t mean to sound rude, and if my experience doesn’t align with yours please let me know! But I’ve never had trauma memory blocks that I could establish AFTER I had already knowingly had that memory. Only ones that I know are in place but willingly keep there for my own safety. But if the memory stuck, it’s there. No matter how badly I’d love to forget it, it will never not be there. If trauma from Hopper’s disappearance blocked her memory, it would have been from the time in which that particular trauma occurred. At least that’s how it’s been in my experience. I agree with Alex that this feels a bit cheap, and it was definitely not where they thought the story was going in season 1. It’s just that as the show gained traction, they tried to shift the story for a more blockbuster audience. Understandable, but it disallowed the development the characters had already had from feeling like it was meaningful or important.

[@ImMeIAm]

Hoper???

[@emeshamckinney244]

After watching the show I hated Jason significantly more than Vecna. To this day if I come to dislike somebody I will make a point of how much I dislike them by saying they're up there with Jason. For some reason Vecna just didn't emotionally scar me the way Jason did. Ya know?

[@azure113]

you have religious trauma? that was the case for me and he hit a very specific nerve

[@ellsybellsy.]

yeah, i know XD personally, i couldn't take Vecna seriously with the way he looked - the things he did were horrific, but on the other hand... there was Jason. i mean, like the person below me, Jason constantly saying Eddie was a devil worshipper hit a nerve in me. i consider myself a Christian, and for him and the show in general to use that to hate on a specific character just- UGH it was hard to watch. stupid portrayal of the community. even if it was historically accurate... i dunno. it got to the point where Jason just seemed more like he was going insane and hellbent on revenge as the season went on and it's super hard to feel bad for him because we didn't know about him and Chrissy that much!! idk if that makes sense. ive been rambling. yeah, i do agree with you lol

[@emeshamckinney244]

@@azure113 Not religious trauma. I am a Christian and so that aspect of it did hit a nerve, but it was moreso that I get very invested in characters and the fact that Jason got away with everything he did, and then stepping on Max's headset. Additionally, because we didn't know very much about Chrissy and Jason's relationship I wasn't invested or understanding of his character.

[@azure113]

@@emeshamckinney244 i can see how that can hit a different nerve for a christian! for me, it made sense that he didn’t get consequences as people like that rarely ever do. i understand what you mean about not caring about his character too but for me he was just a nuisance. i didn’t even care enough to want to know about his relationship with her.

[@rodzila8314]

@@ellsybellsy. Bro, they found his girlfriend complete disfigure in Eddie house and every time he is near this guys people start to levitate in the air and die having zero context of the other world. Why wouldn't he think they were fucking with the devil 🤣 the guy was an asshole and over the top, but give him a break lol. As for Vecna, dude was training his whole life and get smash both times he fight a teenager that star doing this shit yesterday. Hard to see him as a threat

[@reannagordon]

Jonathan really got sidelined this season. I don’t care about him and sometimes forget he exists 😭 Honestly the California group really hasn’t done much besides moping around in the house and running from some evil government dudes who tried to kill them, because of Eleven. I kinda like the Russia storyline mainly because of the dynamic between Joyce and Murray. We all knew Hopper wasn’t dead after season 3, plus they revealed in a teaser 3 years ago that he’s in Russia so I wasn’t worried. Overall I still really like this season. What song is saving y’all from Vecna?

[@sehalos]

Jonathan get sideline because of Netflix doesn't really like Charlie Heaton. He got caught bringing cocaine from UK to Cali (bad PR for Netflix). But they cannot just erase his character so they sideline him this season. I hope they don't ruin season 5 plot out because of this

[@airakimgad9745]

@@sehalos how much y'all wanna bet that's also why Steve's a homewrecker this season too and may actually be a Stancy endgame 🥲

[@BELIEVER78989]

@@sehalos Charlie did what now, this is news to me💀

[@BELIEVER78989]

@@airakimgad9745 the whole Stancy storyline is cringe

[@Th0mat0]

@@sehalos they’re probably gonna kill him off now that I think about it.

[@audforest3013]

Unpopular opinion: I was actually really intrigued by jason, Chrissy and Eddie. All of their character arcs made sense, just wish we got to learn more about them

[@JaneJn-e5c]

Yeah same. Enzo is also really interesting to me I like his character. But Chrissy, Jason and especially Eddie they are all really interesting and I do also wish we got to know more about them

[@Thingsandstuff17]

I like all of the new characters

[@bharatsadhnani4370]

My opinion ( Warning spoilers ahead). I liked the new characters but el is so cringe her acting is over the top, I don't know why I laughed whenever el cried because she didn't show true emotion. Dustin crying hit me spot on after the bat things. ( I don't want to give anything away). El and mike don't make sense either because they had a falling out before in season 3, them being together seems out of place and to be honest the characters themselves didn't have the chemistry, hopper and Joyce seems so genuine, nancy was just plain annoying with steve and Jonathan. I didn't care for robin either. The only characters I cared for was Chrissy, eddie, Dustin, max, and lucas. The rest I didn't care if they lived or died. In fact I would be more happy of they had ripped off the band aid when vecna was killing max. But they gave el some healing powers for when convient. I also can't buy the fact the mind thing was controlled by vecna. It seemed too out of place. Also the show ended on a cliff hanger like WTF end this Fucking show netflix.

[@Ruzz_.]

Eddie is a very good character

[@xanander4693]

Then they alll die 💀

[@apoorvsingh4459]

About the new characters being added, I think most of them have been good. Chrissy even in her short screen-time, managed to make me care about her and it was heartbreaking to see her die. What I think they have done great is making us care about Eddie and Chrissy with such a limited amount of screentime in episode 1 only. That is why people care about Eddie because they have shown his fun unique personality and the bond with Dustin and crew with that DnD game. Among the others Argyle and the jock guy were ok. And actually Enzo is a really underrated character I think

[@singingcoversweekly3108]

And although no one seems to care like with chrissy and Eddie, Fred was directly connected to a main character, Nancy. Because of his death which mirrored barbs in season 1 it brings up the old trauma for her which will probably be addressed in volume 2

[@kimberleywilliams7802]

I like Enzo's Arc lol, he was kind of forced to grow when he got labeled as a Traitor, I started to really like him.

[@trevor3013]

Even if you care, it doesn't mean they were written in a way to make us care.

[@Eloweh]

Spoiler alert!!!! I cried when Eddie died, Crissy was cool I guess, Enzo was great, loved him, Jason (jock guy) was an interesting anti-hero he was fun to watch to be honest, when he was split in half I kind of felt bad because his girlfriend was killed and he thought he was doing the right thing, Argyle was funny until the other characters started to sigh at him, he became annoying in vol. 2 is what I’m trying to say, In the end I loved this season.

[@apoorvsingh4459]

@@Eloweh Argyle was kinda better In Vol 2, he was actually quite useful eventually 😂

[@Aura_Night]

Season 4 was kinda distant but it gave us few of the most loved characters, Eddie and Venca or Henry Creel or Peter Ballard, the actors did a great job and are getting the recognition they deserve

[@extrzq]

as much as i love stranger things,but you’re completely right. it’s lost the same magical and nostalgic feeling it had in season one and two. at least to me

[@marisakennedy777]

I second that motion.

[@oxfopee]

You are 100% right

[@ASLUHLUHC3]

Yup

[@HiproOnverse]

I felt that it was lost after only season one tbh

[@fart63]

It lost it in season 3 when they ruined hopper as a character.

[@annienunyabiz6627]

They kinda implied in 4 why 11 was weaker in 3. When she did that enourmous surge of closing the portal, it started her weakening, like getting a fractured leg, and after everything she had to do in 3, it's like the equivalent of continuing to work on a fractured leg and breaking it instead of properly healing. I did detest the retconning of her entire arc, and how kinda pointless her snapping and assaulting her bully was. It was just a convenient plot way to get her to be taken away. It would have been just as effective to have her be grabbed during the insanity of the shoot out. It would have left Mike feeling like more of a failure to protect her, and would have made sense why they are looking for the lab instead of a jail all of a sudden. Her being bullied in general and hiding it made sense, she was the tough can handle literal monsters girl and now can't handle one ordinary teenager so she doesn't want to be seen as weak. But the excessiveness, the way the entire school joined in the bullying, it just made no sense. Why did they hate her so much? Will is weird, too, and they didn't show him being bullied. All of it was just handled poorly as a setup to remove her from the group. Adding 1 and having him manipulate a young 11 was perfectly fine, and they could have shown that negative emotions are what created the portal. There was no reason to have her memory loss as a result of it.

[@Cakesblue74]

That's a super good point! I like the suggestions a lot, they definitely make more sense and would have made the plot a lot more impactful.

[@GriffinZambia]

Dont read my name 😑 😒

[@safcjoe7062]

@@supermegafoxyawesomehot2042 plus can people in general remember things when they were 8? Just normal things? Cos I can't.

[@blakrar1206]

just something else, but when eleven uses her powers in three it visibly takes more effort, its most visible when she uses her powers to fight the flesh monster in the hospital i believe. idk but its just more evidence to that first point.

[@reesewesley6118]

the memory loss thing is an actual thing called dissociative amnesia. it’s basically when things are so traumatic for a person their brain represses certain events. that’s probably also why elevens vocabulary was so poor in the first couple seasons. her loosing her memory is an actual psychological thing that happens to people!

[@psychonaut1502]

Alex's points make sense but I still really like Season 4. It's much darker, much more dramatic than previous seasons. I will say that each season seems like it's supposed to be self-contained with only certain elements carrying over season to season.

[@tshepomosili2599]

I agree...

[@juliewestevents1567]

I don't think his points make sense tbh. I love this season.

[@justaperson2236]

@@juliewestevents1567 it’s his opinion

[@JesusGomez-ob2qt]

@@juliewestevents1567 they make perfect sense. This season is full of lazy writing and filmmaking. You just letting your enjoyment cloud your judgment

[@ninatheinkling5748]

SAME

[@Tweek_reallylovesCraig]

Mike in s2: I’ll sacrifice for Dustin by jumping in the water :) Mike in s4: imma not care about Dustin anymore 🥱

[@elliereed1262]

Mike about to jump into the water happened in series 1

[@Tweek_reallylovesCraig]

@@elliereed1262 damn I didn’t know 🤭

[@RhettMueller864]

Wdym lmao he’s obviously still great friends with him in season 4

[@user-fc7st1nu9m]

I think the reason he was willing to jump was because he was at the time suicidal. His best friend went missing and he feels like he's the only person that cared or was looking for him Dustin himself told Mike not to jump because its his baby teeth and they'd grow back anyways but I feel like he used it as an excuse to escape And we know also that Mike has depression because when Will and El moved to California, it was said that Mike was in his room all day playing Super Mario Bros.

[@Zeldagirlartist]

I do wanna address your comment on hopper and how them “bringing him back” made his death not mean as much. If I recall at the end of the third season they actually hint that he is alive. The Russians mention an “American” and for me I wondered if either Billy or Hopper survived somehow. So they weren’t necessarily just bringing him back as a last minute decision, it was clearly something planned since the last season

[@6Kubik]

Look again at the scene. This prison is actually a different one. Hoppers cell looks different but he goes to this prison in vol. 2. So we still do not know who is the american.

[@rainyparade7867]

@@6Kubik I think that's likely because that prison design was made for a post credit scene years before this one, so while that's not impossible, it's more likely they changed the design, not that it's a different prison.

[@remyuk]

@@6Kubik shows retcon things all the time. the prison in season three was probably a small set built specifically for that scene while they're using an actual prison for season four. of course it looks different.

[@blaziismaezii426]

I'm pretty sure he's pointing at them bringing Hopper back, not the decision being rushed , basically saying it would've been better if he just died there after his heartbreaking sacrifice

[@crashiecorbashie]

it still doesnt change the fact that bringing hopper back destroys all emotional impact in the finale season 3

[@Ghost_ward]

I AGREE SO HARD WITH THE DISCONNECT OF SEASON 4!! I've just been sitting here trying to figure put why these new characters feel so unrelated to the rest of stranger things. So much so it almost feels like a different show or a spin off whenever they are on screen. And this is why!! They don't interact with the main cast like at all

[@Ice.muffin]

So flawlessly true it's pretty incredible just like this video. Finally someone who's no stranger to the truth 🤭🤭. I wrote a leghty comment praising this video, it's beyond satisfying alongside comments like yours.

[@unclespoon3228]

Fr I just struggle to even care with the new season compared to how invested i was in the earlier seasons

[@takeaminute2144]

Like Suzie's "black sheep" sister. What was that? Suzie was already the black sheep of the family for loving Dustin on the sly. That character was so completely out of place with no one seeming to notice, that I thought it was 8 in disguise and infiltrating that family to meet up with the guys, to help save El. Or something.

[@oxfopee]

Ohhh that must be why when Eddie & Chrissy were talking I was like “tf who are these randos and why are they in my show” it didn’t feel like stranger things at the moment😂

[@gymnasticsgirlie0647]

@@takeaminute2144 That would have been SO much more interesting!

[@ktierarichardson4341]

That moment when he said “every scene with Dustin in it is the best scene of the episode, and when Dustin and Steve are together it’s just pure tv magic” is the moment I decided to hit the like button 😝

[@little.faeling]

same bro

[@dezzydream]

finally some respect on dustin's name 🙏🙏🙏 the way dustin has had pretty much zero character development besides becoming increasingly more hot-tempered each season and still manages to be the best character in the show is insane to me. gaten is truly such a talented actor and he does really well at playing comedic characters like dustin or jared in dear evan hansen, but i also love that he's able to take it much more seriously and play a character that is so batshit insane and fucked up in the head like michael in honor society. i'd love to see him cast as a serious takes-no-shit evil mastermind supervillain in a superhero movie, i think he'd pull that off really well and it would be a fun contrast since in real life he is the most passive and non-threatening person on earth lmao

[@jessirhodes704]

i agree fully except gaten didn’t play jared in dear evan hansen

[@SilverstreamPJ28]

@@jessirhodes704 yes he did?

[@crackle6875]

My searches pulled up that he was part of the final cast for Dear Evan Henson & that his role was Jared, but I think he was the backup actor for the character. There’s some KZbin clips with him in the play.

[@dezzydream]

@crackle6875 no he was the main one!

[@reesewesley6118]

the memory loss thing is an actual thing called dissociative amnesia. it’s basically when things are so traumatic for a person their brain represses certain events. that’s probably also why elevens vocabulary was so poor in the first couple seasons. her loosing her memory is an actual psychological thing that happens to people that experience major trauma. All of the lessons she learned didn’t “not mean anything” because that’s why how she is now. she didn’t remember all of the lessons she learned because she repressed the memories. yeah it is a kinda sucky plot twist but it’s a very real thing that people go through. so all her development did matter still because that’s how she became who she is. Also one didn’t get his powers in the upside down he always had them. He probably unlocked them because he became “enlightened” or something. He has a mixture of all the kids abilities. So him going the upside down didn’t do anything except make him look like the grinch. also i hate mike he’s the worst character nobody can change my mind :) anyways idk if this explained anything lol

[@Jogoat286]

Mike is overhated

[@sixfeetundertheradar6080]

Yeah, I repressed a super traumatizing memory until I was a sophomore in high school. Honestly idk how I passed that year, but yeah I still don’t have the full memory or even if it was a more than once type of trauma. I’m 23 now, was 15/16 then and after years of therapy the full event is still not there. So it makes sense for Eleven who went through SO much

[@humanbeing12319]

Nooo why do u hate Mike 🥺

[@peppermint1349]

@Fern the Green Fairy PTSD can show different ways though I also have some form of it.. I go mostly not really being affected by it but some things MAY sometimes cause it to trigger me. I believe him going to another school futher away and living more normal life for a moment was helping him probably to not show the symptoms of his ptsd the same way. I am just assuming though so I can't really know for sure :) (also I hope you understand that I am not really disagreeing with you or trying to attack you in anyway) Also on another note I am sorry that you have had to go through things in the past to have developed the CPTSD. I wish you all the best

[@TamboBacker]

Or it’s just a lazy plot device

[@selvianybo]

I would argue that the friend group splitting up may take away some of the heart and teamwork established in the earlier seasons, but it also symbolizes what happens when kids grow up and find themselves. As much as I don't like Mike, I agree with him when he says they can't just stay inside playing D&D together... they're going to go down their own paths someday.

[@redscreen9347]

But I think they should’t have made the 4th season if it meant the characters would be separate because it makes it less enjoyable to watch

[@coolbae1998]

But you don't have to be a jerrrk you know? Mike and Lukas are the kind of friends who get toxicly addicted to their girls and start ignoring everyone else, even if Will and Dustin got into more grown up stuff and made cool plans to do with their friends, Lukas and Mike would reject them cause they are jrrrks, specially Mike. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@CometCereal]

@@coolbae1998 At least Lucas developed from his character in S3 during S4, Mike pretty much got none of that lol.

[@yewisemountaingoat528]

@@CometCereal Mike is arguably the dullest character of the show. I mean he claims he loves Eleven/Jane but is utterly inept at reading her mood when they get together again and mentions nothing about what exactly it is he supposedly loves in her. We are all just supposed to take him for his word. I care about the other characters to a larger or lesser degree but I'm fairly indifferent towards Mike,

[@CometCereal]

@@yewisemountaingoat528 I couldn’t have said it any better. Mike was a good character in the first two seasons with an actual personality but after that he seriously dipped in quality. Also I agree, the way Mike feels for El seems to be an infatuation rather than love. In contrast, Max & Lucas’s relationship has had time to develop along with their characters and has the potential to be loving, while Mike & El’s relationship has remained stagnant with little development in relationship strength or individual character (on Mike’s part ofc).

[@georgewillis592]

7:29 Totally agree regarding Dustin. I would definitely watch a spinoff of just him and Steve hanging out. The two best characters in the show I might add

[@denny3460]

That line where Steve makes fun of his teeth and he just goes “not cool” and the way they end that scene had me laughing so hard

[@sunscrenn8772]

This

[@orsonlepherd7064]

@@denny3460 I could not stop laughing, something about the earnestness in both of their performances makes it genuinely one of the funniest moments I've seen in a while

[@noviered]

Something that my dad pointed out is that in season 1 she cannot speak. She can only say a few words. I think it was just a given that they didn’t talk a lot, and they focused more on experimenting than education. What doesn’t make sense is that in season 4 we see that Brenner talks all the time, and other test subjects talk to her a lot too. I know that the other kids have probably just as much trauma as her, but why is she like the only one who can’t speak??

[@beliviamckinnon144]

from what we know, eleven goes into a comatose state after defeating one. so i'm guessing it was almost like a stroke, where she lost certain memories and the ability to fully speak. and then, due to brenner being focused on her trying to find one, he probably prioritized experimenting over education

[@Ich-Existiere-Nicht]

Honestly I absolutely dislike what they did to the laboratory. In the first season it was a mysterious place where kids were getting experimented on and didn't know what a normal life is and now it feels like a highschool??? Like the way they made El have trauma because of bullying she experienced there was so bizarre. It made the whole place seem.. I wouldn't say trivial but "everyday-ish"? Like it just doesn't even seem horrifying anymore. I have no idea if you get what I mean. I can't really explain it too well. I just feel like Eleven's character was better when she had this sick, paranormal backstory and not a "I got bullied" backstory. Like, we have enough of those. The whole point of her character was that she didn't had "normal" kid problems.

[@emmagardiner8890]

I found it absolutely BIZARRE that Hopper broke both of his ankles yet he can run, jump and climb like nothing ever happened almost the very next episode and to my understanding, there was NOT that much time lapse in between each episode (if any at all). For some reason this really aggravated me. Probably more than it should have. I found myself constantly screaming at my tv “aren’t your ankles fucking broken?!?!” Meanwhile he’s running like it was nothing. No wincing, limping, pain, NOTHING.

[@SHAX516]

Huh. Thinking over it most of the plotholes in the video are wrong but this one is legit and big, no running, no freezing, no infection , certainly no fighting demogorgons. On screen the wound is over the top side of his foot though. Nice catch either way

[@danielsedan]

Yup...plus he literally spent a LOT of time in freezing temperatures. Prisoners in those Russian places suffered from very severe frostbite. Hopper is apparently invincible.

[@miccia3561]

this genuinely bugged me because i literally had a broken pinky toe while watching season 4 and could barely walk down the stairs, like..not even a grimace..?

[@JustANormalGuyForReal]

Because he’s hopper.

[@xholoxc014]

because plot

[@sabrinagraham5582]

I love how Alex says “Chrissy, a new character who we don’t care about, who dates Jason, who we don’t care about, and starts hanging out with Eddie, someone we don’t know yet” Alex knows we care about Eddie.

[@leaveitome3407]

I caught that too. 👍

[@yendyss]

I love Eddie so fricking much ahhh

[@noone3216]

Eddie is close to being the audiences grounding point in this season. We could've just focussed on him for s4 and had the others doing their thing as B-plots in the background.

[@ntsh96]

@@yendyss f

[@kimberleywilliams7802]

EXACTLY cause I was about to say something WE DO care about Eddie.

[@AnaHallie]

Things that bothered me in season 4: Hopper being able to not only walk but run and fight with a broken ankle. Joyce and Murray walking away from a plane crash with only minor cuts and bruises. Steve and Nancy. Are we seriously doing this again? Steve and Nancy are great characters on their own, but together? Absolutely not. It didn't work the first time and it won’t work this time, either. What happened to Nancy+Jonathan? 3 seasons of build up down the drain. Drawn-out storylines (mostly involving the Hawkins laboratory).

[@KookiesNolly]

For real, I don't know why they are trying to bring Nancy and Steve back together. They were shown to be at their peak apart from one another. On top of that, realistically, there is no way in hell Nancy wouldn't be bored of Steve in like a year at best. I like Steve but he has a serious case of "peaked in highschool" which... good for him, but Nancy is so goal-driven and ambitious. How on earth would someone like that settle for him? It simply wouldn't work. On top of that, if the only way you can make them work is by creating a bs reason why her boyfriend can't be there it might be a sign that there is literally nothing actually pulling them together? It makes Steve look like a leftover, or a thing for her to get her bf off her mind. Not very nice for him tbh.

[@thekrayers]

I forgot about the ankle thing!!!

[@paulkendrick4153]

The cringe love triangle between Steve,Nancy, and Jonanthan alone was enough to ruin this season. They should change the show name to Stranger Riverdale.

[@denny3460]

The hopper injuries not being factored in bothered me so much. The way he shattered his ankle should have made him effectively disabled and could develop into a huge infection that could kill.

[@mayln163]

Nancy being attracted to Steve is her missing Johnathon and Steve being right there.

[@nerdynunu382]

My question about this show is WTF HAPPENED TO WILL’S DOG?

[@wib6044]

😂😂😂. I think I remember my wife being bothered by this when it first came out. I think she said it got to be too much. Time/budget concerns during filming and that was an easy cut. They say in the film business never work with animals or kids…I guess they could only deal with one of those. 😂🤣

[@lostshreevee]

The dog died before s2 was even filmed, that's why we never saw the dog 💀

[@akastitch]

When Eleven sends One to the Upside Down, she wasn’t opening a gate, just banishing him. The opening closed quickly after.

[@jomarmandingiado9244]

Thats like saying ur not opening the door ur just banishing them. After which you closed the door and locked it? You still technically have to open it to get something through right? To be fair i dunno what point this is addressing just thought this was interesting logic.

[@StayingFast]

I think a better explanation would be, to open the doorway you have to make contact with the other side. She didn’t when she sent 001 through to another dimension. In S1 she was in that space between worlds where she can “dream walk” for lack of a better term, and she touched the demogorgan, aka a creature from another realm, and ultimately shattered the wall separating the two.

[@elizabethcuevas3728]

Yea I don’t think he got that or used critical thinking skills to put that together

[@Alecexo]

Any portal to the upside down is considered a gate. Even if it eventually closes.

[@kedaver263]

Exactly i don't know what was so hard to understand about that. She banished him. The portal closed. He waited for it to reopen, and it happened. That's pretty much it

[@notxtabs2398]

About the inconsistency with the upside down, I heard a theory where each person who goes into the upside down creates the world with every memory they have. That’s why when vecna is first thrown into the upside down, the terrain is very unfamiliar since he spent his entire life in the lab and has no memory of the outside world, but has memory of his old house hence the whole vecna house, and when will got into the upside down, he recreated Hawkins through his memeory

[@randomcat1962]

Also the upside down isn’t going to be some perfect land where everything makes sense. It’s made to be confusing and chaotic. Yes, we, as the viewer, should be able to speculate and try to understand the upside down… but the season isn’t even finished yet so why is he complaining lol.

[@maddymahool3828]

Nice

[@Jack_MxM]

I don't understand why the normal world was upside-down when they re-entered it in Eddie's caravan. In season 2 they go into the upside-down underneath the pumpkin fields and the characters just drop into it and land on their feet.

[@gwngeschiedenis8558]

@@Jack_MxM Beneath the pumking fields wasn't the upside down. It was a route to the portal to the upside down

[@patriciaramirez2982]

but he didn't spend his whole life in the lab, rmb he was around 11 when he killed his parents in the 50's so wouldn't the upside down just look like that?

[@finpin2622]

I'll preface this with: I understand why you'd feel this way and everyone's entitled to their own opinions. But here's my own opinion about some of the points you made. - I do think Eleven's character arc is a little repetitive, tbh, but I don't think the Vecna thing reverses any of her character development. If anything we're just reinforcing how her powers work while also learning more about her. Whenever she over exerts she has to go back to the basics, so when she loses her powers entirely, she has to go back even further. When she sends Vecna off into the Upside Down, it's possible she didn't just "open a portal" but that she actually created the whole fuckin' place. Leaving 001 the opportunity then to sort of be the first to connect with it and shape it. It's also possible that it's frozen the next time the portal opens because Will (the first to be taken) had an influence over it, or maybe Vecna just finally had an opportunity to connect back with this world, but we still haven't had an explanation for that so I wouldn't say it's a plot hole yet, just a plot point. - I'm going to hazard a guess that the characters act dumb because they're no older than 14-15. Why did Mike think it was epic when El hurt his bullies, but not her own? Probably because in the moment, he was thinking selfishly, as well as the fact that I'm pretty sure the bullies were threatening him and his friends, making fun of Will's death, and had been likely torturing them for years whereas he only learned within that afternoon that Angela was a bully and not El's friend. Mike's character arc this season isn't fully done but it seems to me that he's coming to terms finally with El being her own human and not an idealized person he had in his head, and it's possible he actually doesn't love her in the romantic sort of way. Idk. Will also deserve more screentime imo but he's kind of quietly been going thru character development, getting a bit bolder across the seasons, I'm guessing vol2 will give him the big catharsis of a coming out scene so that'll give people more to chew on. I also actually really liked Mike and Will's interactions this season because they were incredibly close s1 & s2, so we finally get to see them back together and close after Mike's asshole arc in s3. I can see why people might find them boring if they're not as invested in that friendship though. - The gang all being seperated does suck and some of the extra characters like Jason are not very interesting, but I don't understand how Eddie isn't "related to the main characters". He's directly shown to be a role model for Dustin and Mike in the episode he's introduced, and then further is integrated pretty well into the Dustin/Steve/Robin group. Also Chrissy and Fred pretty much immediately die, they're basically filler/side characters to show how Vecna works which has been done across all of the seasons, so I don't get what's wrong with them. Jason is most annoying, and Argyle feels unnecessary to me, but most of the other added characters serve some kind of function. I have a feeling that this "season" might feel half baked right now to you because, well, there's still like 3 or 4 hours of content left to go when vol2 drops. We haven't gotten everyone's character arcs to finish yet and we also don't know how many people are going to die in the finale, not do we know the full lore about certain things. Vecna's monologue was kind of a lore dump but it was also only from his own manipulative mouth, so he could still be hiding shit we've yet to find out. I think s4 is one of the stringer seasons but it is a little too bloated for its own good, but I also think sometimes people are forgetting shit like... The ages of the main characters, or the fact that it's actually realistic for characters to have flaws. .... Okay that's all I'm just too invested in the show for my own good, congratulations if you read all that.

[@sto1239]

This is great

[@shehz]

Your first point, It's obvious that El didn't create the Upside Down and I don't know why people assume so - I do agree that the whole Vecna thing doesn't reverse her character development, but in reality she hasn't received a single development this season really, which is just as bad. Your second point, I agree with. Your third point, I would sort of disagree and say Jason is some what interesting because we finally get a character that isn't knowledgable of the upside down just as we and the other characters are, but is just as involved. In my opinion, makes him extremely realistic, imagine your girlfriend dying and the person who was there with her just disappears? He'll most likely not die this season and get a 'redemption' arc of some sort, people hating on him are just weird ass people. (not saying you do but in general, people do). Eddie isn't really a main character only because he's been in 1 season, same logic would be applied to Bob who was only in 1 season, he wasn't a main character. Likewise Eddie isn't. Overall it's a great season, just depends heavily on how it ends. If no major character dies then I'll be disappointed.

[@shehz]

If eddie does come out of this season alive, he'll be part of the main cast I guess.

[@goblin85wenttospace7]

It's okay bro I am also incredibly invested and I also came to the conclusion that El made the upsidedown. Ive also been watching the season purely from a PTSD and mental illness point of view and it's kinda incredible how much detail they put into the show. Like in ep. 1 season 4 when Max is walking to the councilor's room and looks at the group of friends, the couple kissing, and then Lucas. Are all things she gained in season 2&3 but lost because of the burden of Billy's dealth. Then when Vecna tries to kill her, her flashbacks reflect what she lost. On a completely different side note, it feels like in this season they were going for a traditional Halloween vibe. With the creepy manner, the bats, graveyard, red creepy fog, spiders, also Fred and agiles song, Tbh it all felt like Scooby doo. I wish I could articulate more stuff but eh this is just a KZbin comment

[@finpin2622]

@@shehz I'm not entirely tied to the "El created the UD" theory, but I am curious as to how it's incredibly obvious that it's not true. Right now it seems still up for debate. I'd at least say if she didn't create it, she's probably the first person to access it or bring it closer to the 'real world', since it seems so unformed when 001 is sent in there. And yeah I'd agree that El hasn't had much character growth yet- from interviews the idea seems to be that she'll grow more autonomous this season, so I hope in vol2 we'll see how that manifests. On the Jason point- his reaction to losing his girlfriend is realistic, but he's still an asshole who's gone too far. Like when he started beating up Eddie's bandmates, he had no reason to assume they were at all involved in Chrissy's death aside from just knowing Eddie. And then launching into his whole "D&D is a cult" thing and leading a mob against a group of other teens... Basically he's kind of gone off the deep end. I can see why he'd behave like he does but that doesn't always mean it's good/justified. He's also sort of a symbol of the theme of this season- "forced conformity, that's what's killing the kid", he's the enforcer of the status quo. I'd have to assume he's going to die this season tbh. Also I just think they spend too much time on his storyline that could be spent elsewhere & we'd still end up understanding his motivations. You're allowed to like him but I don't think it's all that weird that people would hate his character since he's kind of the mini/human villian of the storyline.

[@cupidsarrow1685]

Mike is personally my favorite character but i feel like over the seasons they just developed him into a main love interest stuck between a love triangle between him, eleven, and will. (Except there is no love between will and eleven for obvious reasons). I really want them to do more with his character in season 5 as I feel like they havent even dedicated that much time into his story. If anything, i think they gave nancy the spotlight between them. Mike is very overhated and i really hope to see him have a redemption arc in season 5

[@fart63]

Mike is probably my favorite character as well. People hate on him for reasons I cannot see. He has always been a good boyfriend and an emotional kid. The show has been giving him less and less importance since season 2. People have dogged on him since season 3 for absolutely no reason. He was a great boyfriend in season 3; going with El everywhere, spending as much time as possible with her when she couldn’t stay out late, until max influenced el to split from him, and was still the only character concerned for her well-being. Hopper treated both of them terribly. I have never seen this love triangle aspect for the three kids. There has never been a time where mike displayed any seemingly romantic feelings for will. He has always been with eleven, he has always acted like he wants eleven. It was never a back and forth like with Nancy, Jonathan and Steve. It wasn’t even until last season where anybody saw them together, even still it’s very much 1 sided (poor will, nobody cared about him until knowing he was gay)

[@Camilla550]

@@fart63 Sorry but I don’t agree with it being one sided regarding Mike and Will having feelings for each other. The way Mike spoke with Will in his bedroom when they were packing and sitting on the broken sofa in Hopper’s cabin? Plus the whole van scene? The way Mike was looking and speaking with Will was not just ‘friendly’, can you imagine Lucas and Dustin looking and talking to each like that? Plus Mike and El’s relationship is incredible unhealthy. They can’t be themselves around each other, they lie to each other constantly and we’ve never had any scenes where they’re getting to know each and just enjoying each other’s company. They’re either just kissing or arguing!

[@thatguyap_]

Fax I like how he was kinda like the leader of the party in the 1st and 2nd season and now he's just boring

[@brunetyannick1174]

@@Camilla550 Well I see it as : "You're my friend first and foremost, but I am not comfortable at all with you being gay and having feelings for me, all the while trying not to show it and respect said feelings." The van scene was really nice in this respect. Love nuanced acting like this, not only me-cry because happy me cry because sad reheated 100 times until stale that they tend to give us in s3 s4...

[@angie_gx]

This is an interesting conversation because I remember going blind into season one, there's one scene that happens at the very beginning, when the 4 boys are leaving Mike's house just before Will goes missing. I felt the vibe between Will and Mike right there when they were saying goodbye, and I was like oh these 2 will date in the future. Then some scenes later Eleven was introduced as Mike's love interest so I forgot about the whole Will & Mike dynamic. For this reason, I do disagree with people saying Mike doesn't love Will, I see Mike as someone who is probably Bi because although he loves El, he definitely cares about Will in a more than friend way. The way he acts with him, you'll never see him act that way with Lucas/Dusty. But again, I understand why some people (especially straight people) would not feel the mutual interest vibe because for straight people you put two opposite sex characters on screen for 1 minute and they will assume they're love interests but for put same-sex characters and the same people are always in denial to the point where they want it to be spelled out that the characters love each other.@@Camilla550

[@bobvancevancerefrigeration844]

Another thing I didn’t like about season 4 is continuing the love triangle between Nancy, Jonathan and, Steve. Like Nancy practically broke Steve’s heart cause she felt like she didn’t actually love him in season 2 and also to get with Jonathan and now she’s interested in Steve again when Jonathan is far away. Also Jonathan magically feels like he doesn’t love Nancy anymore either (I bet they did that so the audience doesn’t hate nancy for technically cheating). I felt like for s4 it was just forced to add more drama

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

Right? It's basically like the Duffer brothers were like "we kind of forgot..."

[@Mateocabrera2389]

@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 quiet woman you have no right to an abortion.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

@@Mateocabrera2389 Dude what the hell?

[@electra4764]

I also didn't like that because of how it kind of goes against Steve's character development throughout the other seasons. I haven't watched them in a while but I remember how they made a point about him having to move on from Nancy and become a person of his own and if he gets with her again it just undoes that.

[@gabrianamadden1122]

I think they did this to add more emotional weight to a death. if Steve dies, Nancy will be even more distant from Johnathan and will have to deal with the death of the guy she likes. if nancy dies, steve will be really sad and have to hide his mourning from Johnathan. If Johnathan dies, nancy will have to deal with the guilt of emotionally cheating on him and be distant from Steve out of guilt.

[@fearraiser1692]

I have ptsd so I'm gonna come forward about the Eleven forgetting everything. This is a huge thing about ptsd. My trauma happened when I was 8-10 but I cannot remember it nor can I remember anything before 10. I remember bits and pieces but not enough for me to remember the fact I gave my little sister a scar at 7 (Which I don't believe I did). Hell I didn't even know what my trauma was until I turned 16. I think they did Eleven perfectly and the show did it well. That's like the only point I had to counter because I liked how the actress did it. Even having ptsd attacks and such throughout which are unseen. Though it did annoy me that it went out of no where, I still think it was fine. Nothing like Riverdale. Just wanted to say this piece just in case anyone was wondering. Also ptsd comes in many forms as well so even if one person can remember their entire trauma, some people forget their entire personality.

[@CatLady1989]

Thank you!!! You explained it so well and that's one of the main threads of season 4: trauma. Eleven and Max are the most clear cases, but all of them have it at this point and the writers finally are addressing it. I think all of their unresolved emotions and traumas are going to back fire at some point if it not on this season, in the next one. No one can get through all that this bunch of characters have experienced without one or two scars.

[@katarzynarymszo929]

Thank you for that comment! As a person who also experienced trauma and denied/forgot I felt the show portrait it quiet niecely this season and it's very pleasant to see other people who recognize it and bring awareness too how trauma works and can affect a person 😄💓

[@Th0mat0]

@@anushka0987 people can relate with fictional characters with well written struggles + you are making up a fake argument against you in your own head because you only think you’re smart; snap back to reality 😊😊

[@Th0mat0]

@@anushka0987 …or maybe you can not be an @$$whole who only cares when he’s hurt and learn how to stop being indifferent towards others struggles, let alone simple topics such as trauma (bad thing happen = person has hard time cope with life and bad memory reoccur random time). Also that half assed attempt at sarcasm is hella ironic since you clearly know damn well you were being ignorant yet your solution is to…project? What? Your opinion isn’t deep or dumb. It’s deep in dumb 😐

[@fearraiser1692]

@@anushka0987 Hey so I read what you are saying and not to hate or nothing but ptsd isn't something you see and even then, El Dissociates and has paranoia which are two symptoms of ptsd. The writers expanded on it more this season but people with ptsd might not know they have it until it triggers which she didn't have triggers until now. You said I can't relate my experiences with fictional characters but ptsd is a real disorder and you saying it as a reason or excuse is invalidating many people with ptsd. I'm saying as someone with ptsd, I felt as though both Alex and many others should research it and it's many symptoms before saying the show did it wrong. If the show did it wrong then people must be comparing it to the real thing which is why I, as someone who has had it for 10+ years, am saying personally they did it fantastically. This is not an attack if it may seem like one just that I am comparing the show to the real life illness. Both max and el have ptsd and it's been shown multiple times as someone with ptsd.

[@TreeDwellingShrimp]

"Chrissy's death didn't effect him in any way." Eddie: "Chrissy, this one's for you." That's after beating himself up for not being able to do anything while she was being murdered and leaving her, and before sacrificing his life for others. Chrissy and her death had a big impact on him. Anyone who actually paid attention while watching the show would know that. It friggin' traumatized him.

[@razorsharp1371]

This video was made before the left two episodes dropped, in part one be didn't really show much emotion towards Chrissie since he's on the run the whole time

[@gucciman27]

@@razorsharp1371 he was fucking screaming at her death and he'd known chrissy since middle school so thinking that eddie wasn't affected by her death is a braindead assumption

[@DLxxx]

Yeah, but we only learn about that element of his character in Volume 2, and this video was made before that.

[@handsonlova5315]

@@razorsharp1371 maybe he should have waited til the end of the season to avoid looking dumb lol

[@JMC-xj8wr]

@@handsonlova5315 its not like mentioning chrissy's name once in 8 episodes makes it any better, honestly. his point still stands

[@oshiniwickramasinghe1243]

tbh I felt like season 4 was a bit of a step up when comparing season 2 and season 3 but alex’s points make sense when it comes to unanswered questions.

[@CatLady1989]

Yeah, season 3 sucks, 2 is ok, and even if I agree with Alex in most of his points about 4, the season isn't over yet so I don't want to jump to conclusions about the whole show until I've watched the final two episodes. On the other hand, Will's haircut is really awful indeed 😂

[@GriffinZambia]

Dont read my name 😑 😒

[@jarrodedson5441]

@@CatLady1989 season 3 is great

[@iswiftyfox8997]

so far 4. 3 3. 2 2. 4 1. 1

[@prod.byricky1040]

season 3 is the one which makes the least sense

[@Peppermint-Snaps]

To be fair, the government shipped Eleven and the Byers across the country into witness protection to get away from the shenanigans of the earlier seasons. The freakout, at least to me, was because even Mike was all, "Dude, you cant be doin this. Gotta keep it on the downlow."

[@MariaSantos-cm2bb]

I wouldn't say they are under a witness protection program, all of them still use their real names except for El who wasn't even registered and all of them still keep in touch with people they knew before they moved and they even consider going back to hawkins to visit (this time mike went to california to see how El's life was there but nancy and jonathan discussed the possibility of jonathan going there)

[@sean_mccadden]

Theres some messy parts but honestly I really love this season. I really love how they went a more teen detective kind of theme for most of the season instead of just completing focusing on El and her powers which they do also but its more of a B plot until they connected it at the end, which I really liked also. And honestly I don't think Mike is being a hypocrite because yeah she attacked his bullies before but as far as I remember she just more focused on scaring them while in this season she was on the border of almost killing that girl. Which yeah she deserved a good knock to the hewd but El did take it a tad far but understandably so and just a tad lol

[@sukerbole2463]

Yeah, making a kid pee himself and hitting a kid bloody with a hard object kind of have a different vibe. Also it's the difference of 'superhero' with cool powers vs 'regular' violence, i think. It feels different when it's supernatural

[@Upper_echelon_exotics]

Yeah and Mike was shocked in the moment but it's not like he turned away from El or anything.

[@sean_mccadden]

@@sukerbole2463 Yeah second definitely seems quite a bit more violent. Even I was like "oh shit" 😦 while the first moment I was cheering her on

[@lisaellis1812]

I am #1 mike defender in this situation for these reasons and also #1: Troy almost killed Dustin and Mike. What Eleven did was in self- defense. Yes what Angela did was humiliating but El went after her in revenge. #2: The injury on Angela's face was a lot more visually horrifying than breaking Troy's arm and could've hurt her much worse. She could have had brain trauma, a scar, etc. She will not be the same after that attack. Kids break their arms all the time, though. Troy turned out fine. #3: Mike is older than he was. Since the incident at the cliff he's pretty much only seen Eleven use her powers on creatures from the upside down IIRC. #4: He was shocked in the moment and went to apologize to her the next day. #5: Part of the disconnect and how Eleven read the situation was Mike not loving her because she didn't have superpowers anymore. We can deduce from this that she believes if she'd gone after Angela with her powers, not physically, things would've been different. Physical violence is a lot more shocking than people being tossed around with superpowers and both Mike and Eleven seem to acknowledge this-- and again, he went to apologize the next day. Also as far as the I love you thing goes (it wasn't in this video but people use it to detract from Mike all the time) Mike never said it to Eleven in the first place. He blurted it out in the context of not wanting to lose her. He never fully confronted it and her about loving her, Eleven just happened to hear him blurting it out. He tried in the supermarket in Season 3 but he just couldn't say the word.

[@sean_mccadden]

@@lisaellis1812 One big thing Alex mentioned is that the kids are inconsistent and Im like "Yeah they're kids" lol. Kids are inconsistent, they constantly think on a whim and to expect them to have the maturity of someone in their 30s is quite unrealistic. Heck to this day I have to keep myself in check to make sure Im acting on what I want instead of what Im feelong in the moment

[@daysofsound]

Season 1-2 were awesome compared to 3-4. The thing about 3 and 4 is that there was nothing mysterious about them anymore. They just ended up being too predictable and you knew that the characters wouldn’t die. Season 1 actually kept the main part of the story a complete mystery the whole way through. You never knew what was going to happen until you got to the last couple episodes. Now when you watch 3 and 4, you pretty much know what is going to happen because they are more focused on making the fan favorite characters as likeable as possible.

[@claudiamiller5895]

I think this is one of the first videos I’ve mostly disagreed with! There’s a lot of hidden details that tie into all of the other seasons and everything seemed to click more for me during this season. It’s not over yet so some plot holes will fs be fixed in the last two. There are also a lot of subtle hints in their playful dialogue, like all of the dnd scenes. But like with Will not getting powers in the upside down like 001, he’s different because he’s not like any of the doctors children. He didn’t have any powers to begin with. And eleven is shown slowly losing her powers as she gets weaker, which was the main point of this season. I will say that a lot of main characters were put on back burner, like Joyce and Jonathan, but I think that’s so we can build up more storyline with the others. I hate riverdale so I hope they never get to true riverdale format lol ETA: I also really appreciated the depth they’ve added to some of the characters. Like Will is starting to come to terms with his pent up feelings and resentment towards Mike that has been building up over the seasons, Lucas is trying to be accepted and well liked by the popular kids but also struggles with not being supported by his friends, Max is dealing with the trauma of watching her abusive brother die and dealing with her guilt. We also get to hear more of Hoppers storyline and how he had a family.

[@CassidyDrew13]

I completely agree! Season 4 is probably one of my fav seasons so far… fingers crossed volume two ties it together well🤞

[@peppermint1349]

Agreed a lot! Like for example for El getting bullied in the past well the thing is her traumatic experience wiped away that memory completely so she would not have remembered ever experiencing any bullying at all? Also Hopper being alive it was pretty much already implied on season 3 end when he ''died'' that he was still alive hence there was no body and also the shoes thing... also no one mentioning her opening the portal thing.. I actually don't think it was just her it was both her and 001 together that caused the portal to open (at least I believe this) And the world in upside down is probably the world 001 more or less created he said he wanted to create a better different world and I mean.. yea.. anyway why would no one mention her opening the portal before? Well if someone experiences a traumatic event that wipes their memory you actually can't just go and tell them or remind them just like that.. so of course why would they imply on it?? I LOVED the season.

[@lucasdam37]

I feel like he is one of the only 4 peaple who didn't like season 4 XD

[@kikichc]

Alex: and Eddie is not emotionally affected by chrissy’s death Eddie: “Chrissy, this is for you”

[@ASLUHLUHC3]

Wow, five forced words that preceded a forced death for a forced arc

[@harshulbarooah6556]

@@ASLUHLUHC3 Yeah what a natural way to show a character cared. Definitely not forced at all.

[@J0eMama90]

@@ASLUHLUHC3 I actually felt like Eddie was very affected by Chrissy’s death. The forest drug deal scene between Chrissy and Eddie gave us a good look at their strong Chemistry within just a few minutes which is pretty impressive imo. With that being said I don’t feel that any of it was forced, to me it seemed like a very natural progression between the two characters even though it was such a short time span of interaction they had together. When Chrissy died Eddie witnessed it and looked genuinely horrified and traumatized at what he saw happen to her. Not to mention the fact that he tried to wake her up repeatedly showing that he was actually concerned for her well being. Later when Dustin and the gang find Eddie hiding out at reefer Rick’s , Eddie looks broken and very frightened when he describes what happened to Chrissy.

[@threeleafclover3222]

@@ASLUHLUHC3 he literally died to avenge her murder.

[@Kolyamayonnaise]

@@threeleafclover3222 I'd rather say he died to prove to himself (and maybe others) that he isn't a coward and that he won't run away anymore. I theorize that maybe Eddie ran from his problems a lot in his backstory, and Chrissy's death just sort made him realize that he was doing it for so long. I think he dedicated that song for her mostly because she made him realize that, not the fact that he could've had romantic feelings for her.

[@BPacheco8]

you got everything wrong about Eddie. he did have a connection to the boys. Thats why Mike & Dustin were so upset Lucas was gonna miss DND & He begged them to talk to Eddie bc he also didn't want to miss it. they clearly admire Eddie & he's set up similar to their dynamic with Steve. an older male figure they admire & see as cool. Plus Eddie is clearly affected by Chrissy's death. he says himself he felt upset about leaving her. And Eddie is a character we care about. he's the fan favorite this season.

[@NoFirstNoLastName]

Yea. Dude clearly didn’t pay attention the the details.

[@remyuk]

i love eddie, but so far he's barely been in the show lmao. he's been hiding out for most of it. people only care about him because they have a crush on him.

[@luanamulhern2973]

he was a fan favorite because he is hot. bro had a boring personality, didn't add a single thing to the show, just like argyle. when I ask people why they like eddie, they say "cause he's pretty" or "he's going to save nancy" as if it already happened. fr.

[@aidenvanhuizen3005]

Yeah he’s like the alexei of season 4

[@ceciliaslepmet4840]

Maybe not THE fan favourite but definitely a fan favourite

[@sanjaynataraj2009]

7:37 I agree. Dustin's the only one in the friend group who seems to actually be likeable all the time and have a major role. This kid could go on a killing spree and murder half of Hawkins, and I'd still root for him. Ntm his scenes with Steve are absolutely incredible, and rly show how far Steve has come.

[@rorysvillage5769]

“This kid could go on a killing spree and murder half of Hawkins and I’d still root for him” *me in a nutshell*

[@sabrinasspellbookspens5136]

Unpopular opinion: Mike is probably my least favorite character of Stranger Things. At least out of the main group. He just drives me nuts most of the time. I loved Eddie and I think he deserved better than what he got.

[@BeyondFourWorlds]

I like Mike. Always have since the beginning. My primary issue is that, the writers don’t seem to know the direction to take him. His role has gotten smaller and smaller each season with this one being the least of them all. I love that Mike is and will most likely always be that emotional love and support for Eleven (crossing my fingers this doesn’t change in S5) BUT I feel like they need to add more to his character. In S1 he was such a strong leader of the group and was basically the glue of the group. Now he’s just there… which really frustrates me. I don’t want him to just be Elevens boyfriend, I want him to have his own thing going on.

[@aliccccccccce9397]

*Popular opinion

[@toukopenttila9875]

@@BeyondFourWorlds exactly

[@mckinleyknight1775]

Nah it's pretty popular, Mike has been pretty boring for a lot of the show tbh

[@YuKaKariyu]

@@BeyondFourWorlds This, he started off fairly strong and now his only character point is his relationship with Eleven and a little bit of Will's inner struggles too (most likely coming to terms with liking Mike, being queer etc) But he's practically only a springboard for other characters now

[@nimsssd]

Ik Chrissy was a new charecter but I instantly really liked her,, her death hit me like a truck coz yk it actually felt like her character had soo much potential😩

[@graciee7808]

It was so obvious that she’s was gonna die tho 😭😭 I liked her but I knew she wasn’t gonna make it past the first ep

[@suonatar1]

I was hoping she will stay a little longer and we will learn about her problems. Or that she will have more impact on the story. Suddenly, she just died.

[@filmfangirls9163]

Yeah I fell in love with her as fast as Barb lol I loved the scene between her and Eddie and I just felt so bad for her and abuse she endured by her mother to be bulimic.

[@ricardoredway]

REALLY DID HIT ME LIKE A TRUCK BUT SHE WAS MARKED FOR DEATH BY VECNA

[@darkadalia]

I heard that (and this is only rumor) the writers felt regret killing off her character so early into the season. She and Eddie would've become great friends imo

[@arnoldotoho]

10:07 Not sure I agree here. Considering just how Vecna picks his victims, Chrissie's death means more and her character is more than just based on "her eating disorder because of her mom." She was apparently traumatized by that treatment and making her relive that trauma is the opening Vecna got into her mind. It may not relate to many of the other characters and that is probably why it was not a bad decision to make her the first victim. I'd say her purpose was to introduce Vecna, hence she literally shouldn't be in this discussion of 'shallow new characters.'

[@faithditmars6089]

Couldnt have said it better myself

[@Mahdi-zg2yj]

Nah

[@headahhboi]

naah doesn't make any sense

[@bigheadrat9493]

@@headahhboi i was about to say you look handsome, but i guess not

[@beatrice1089]

but we don't give a shit about her, she has no backstory, no character development, no relationships (other than like eddie, but he's brand new too so we don't have any history from her) if this were nancy or steve, or literally anyone else we know it'd add so much more impact. that's why max being a victim worked and why all these other characters didn't.

[@heystobit-jin8021]

What he said about eleven is stupid, he obviously missed the fact that Mr.Bremer said Eleven fell into a comma, and lost her memory of everything except her powers. And what he said about the upside down being stuck in the past, was not because eleven sent one to the upside down, it’s because that’s the date of when will went missing. Will has something to with this because of his time in the upside down.

[@giantfanmisery5087]

Eleven didn’t open the gate twice. It was revealed to us how she opened the gate for the first and only time in season 4

[@viviennefrench5938]

exactly. this shows us how she opened the gate in the first place, and let the demogorgon out to get will in season 1.

[@ducksauce9187]

dont bother this guy kinda dumb

[@ATD-uc3lb]

My theory was that El opened the gate in 1979, and when she made contact with the demogorgan, caused the two worlds to bridge together and released the demogorgan into the regular world. However, people started saying that there were two gates and now I'm just confused.

[@desxo9089]

thank you!! season 4 literally explained how and why certain things happened

[@famillyjewels]

i think the 4 year gap between opening it in 79 and it only effecting hawkins in 83 will be explained because you see in season one that the "bad guys" at the lab already had suits and everything and you don't build a professional team like they showed to explore stuff just over night, maybe the scientists did something to make the demogorgon able to leave

[@donniethedealer2623]

Season one is so tonely different, that it almost feels like a different show, it was so much smaller in scale and had a more tightly written narrative because of it. Personally i enjoyed season 4 the most, i found it so much more of a fun experience to watch and the overall vibe and story telling is more to my taste. The show has evolved so much over the years it's easy to see why plot threads were left behind and why it's not as cohesive when viewed from an overall story narrative, rather than viewing it season by season as most do due to whole seasons being dropped years apart

[@sliverspoon195]

I am currently watching all of stranger things cuz i havent watched it yet, the show went from strange things happening in the 80s to the 80s with strange things

[@hectorarredondo6929]

Well apparently the show runners really intended for the story to be one season and every season after that would be a different story with a. Different cast but Eleven became so popular they changed their mind

[@Hyuckmeonie]

​@@hectorarredondo6929 This is fake, from the beginning ST was planned to have many seasons, and S4 was already written when S1 was out, everything was planned out.

[@hectorarredondo6929]

@@Hyuckmeonie ah ok nevermind

[@Hyuckmeonie]

@@hectorarredondo6929 no problem!

[@yourfriendlysubaruoutback]

Say what you want about ST, but you gotta admit that the way all the plots tie together at the end of each season is satisfying

[@barakaz4225]

But the thing is the plot does not tie together it's the characters reuniting that makes it seem like the plot ties together .The plot has kinda always been the same

[@binitshrestha3122]

I think we had to wait 3 years for it so most us didn't have really high expectations which is why it felt so much better

[@alle6621]

I agree! I even said that to my bf. At first I was like “what the hell ks going on? How does this coincide with everything else” and then the final episode I was blown away

[@famillyjewels]

@@barakaz4225 i think a lot of us kinda have low standards in a way that there are so many shows going completely of the rails like riverdale, that we find it satisfying in stranger things even if a few ends don't tie together, because it's not just complete nonsense

[@mazvitaselemani]

Not really because that's just the bare minimum for any good show

[@izenheimreborn6390]

My complaint comes from vecna himself. Retcons almost all of El's arc, has absolutely no real motives to be a villain, is the least intimidating design, rarely threatens the main cast, then promply gets gunned down by people who never heard of him until then, then just Michael Myers his way out of the plot

[@bill000]

Will “going through all that stuff just to become the most boring person” really made me laugh

[@Ice.muffin]

And so true too. Tragic.

[@marisakennedy777]

it is so true. SO TRUE 😥

[@anarchistgoddess6492]

Literally. They dumped SO MUCH trauma into him I felt so bad, and used him, and then after he did all that they cast him aside. Like, that kid must be so messed up after everything he went through and they never go over it? Instead they make him look like an immature baby because he still wants to play D&D. Like bruh. His childhood got ripped away from him what do you expect??? And then his friends treat him like crap and won’t play with him (he just went through the most traumatic crap and you can’t play a couple games of D&D with your friend)??? They did that kid so dirty. Not only that but now he’s supposed to watch as his crush has a girlfriend and he’s alone. Again they only use him to give him trauma and then forget about him. -_-

[@Ich-Existiere-Nicht]

@@anarchistgoddess6492 Will really doesn't deserve that and fuck I agree. Like we are supposed believe that Lucas, Mike, Dustin and Will are best friends but they're kinda terrible friends if you think about it. I mean Will just got back from another dimension where he almost got killed by some super ugly paranormal creature and the only one who actually cared was Mike and he also didn't do much more than asking if he was okay when he had his "flashbacks". They also barely hang around together after season 2 and didn't even cared too much when Dustin came back from his - I don't really know where exactly he has been but like nobody really cared and wanted to hang around with their gf instead. And in season 4 Mike writtes thousands of letters to El but barely any to Will. Ngl all of them need new friends since they apparently don't even spend time together unless they talk about their romances or save the world.

[@AstarionWifey]

@@Ich-Existiere-Nicht I’m surprised Mike and will aren’t together 😂

[@zacharyy6855]

had me with the title

[@something10248]

same

[@braydenmichaelcastillo7122]

Me too

[@TRT3445]

Same

[@Jamangel]

Lmao

[@tunafish5462]

Yeah I was ready to throw some hands

[@_strkey]

Stranger things is honestly a really good show, I’m really hoping the stranger things spin off won’t ruin it

[@hotpocketsarebad]

THERES GOING TO BE A SPINOFF??

[@fishy9028]

@@hotpocketsarebad i'm asking the same thing omg!

[@_strkey]

Yeah a recent interview with the duffer brothers said there was going to be a “stranger things” spin off idk if it will have the original cast or if it’s a whole new project

[@highonsugar6273]

@@_strkey maybe it will be set in a different timeline? I think that could have potential

[@zebzube668]

theres going to be a spin off?

[@gianagermanotta]

one of the worst things for me was that it dragged on so long-seriously, over an hour long episodes with a finale that’s nearly two and a half hours?-yet nothing got done. zero character development, plot development, nada. season 4 was just such a cashgrab that no amount of explanations could convince me that literally anything that happened in season 4 was planned from the beginning. not to mention that so many plots or whatever were just taken straight from 80’s media. “oh, weird monster that morphs into fears in order to kill?” it? sound familiar? overall, season 4 is just so bad, and no one is admitting it because they waited literal years for it.

[@angelhaircarbonara]

girl yall wanna be different so bad bc this was literally the most eventful season wdym nothing got done.. did u miss the part where the upside down collided with earth or did we not watch the same show. and why are u acting like being inspired is such a shocking thing

[@MarshalMayhem]

I love stranger things, but yeah Alex was definitely right, like the first season was top tier and as further along as it got the plot lines got twisted and inconsistent like the characters. I also wish they'd give Lucas more than just another stereotype like his sister and give him something more like Dustin. Will's thing now is just being completely into Mike, so I really hope the painting that hes making is actually about Vecna and not Mike cause then he'd actually get into the storyline because the 4 California boys haven't really did much. Edit: I retract my statement of Lucas being a stereotype, if you read a reply I made.

[@tunafish5462]

Bro I didn't even notice that the California group wasn't in the last 2 episodes until someone told me lol. The painting is definitely not about Vecna, it's probably Mike and their friends.

[@CPLsmilez]

bro, no one even knows wills sexuality. If you think he likes mike, whatever, but dont be out here "wills thing now is just totally being into mike"

[@keirafitzgerald6391]

@@tunafish5462 they were in 6 but not in 7

[@tunafish5462]

@@CPLsmilez Dude come on now he is definitely into Mike, they made it so obvious this season. Also the cast said in an interview that Will likes a member of their group so take a guess which one he likes.

[@FKA91]

How is Lucas a stereotype! This is dumb af. Lucas went from the skeptical one (with reason because El literally out there killing people!) to ridiculously loyal and fantastic emotional support for Max, who suffers from depression. Finn Wolfard played the skeptical one in IT and was one dimensional and nobody said shit.

[@CatLady1989]

I think the reason that Will is unaffected by the Upside Down when he was there unlike Vecna, is that he doesn't have any telekinetic powers 😅 I imagine that for the Mindflayer Will was just yumi yumi food, and Vecna was someone way more powerful and evil... I don't know if the Mindflayer can sense those kind of abilities on people, but my fair guess is that he/it does and maybeee we will found out in the 5th season. About Will, there are a LOT of references about his possible sexual orientation (I mean, doing a class project on Alan Turing, c'mon), something that would explain why he's like holding back on himself (you know, he's a teen discovering his preferences and he's in the 80s). And if you add that to trauma (being kidnapped by a monster, almost dying like twice, moving out of town and of his friends, his parents divorce, the dead of Bob) and the growing pains... Maybe he's just the shy and introverted in the group above everything else that I just said, so I don't think is underdeveloped as a character, maybe he's not like in our faces like Mike or Dustin, even Eleven. You did cover a lot in the video but these two were the ones that resonate to me the most. Hope I explained it well because English is not my first language jejeje. Greetings to everyone :)

[@kitsunehime3911]

That's a great point! I think the reason Will got so irritated when Mike and Eleven were together was because he has a crush on Mike. At first I thought maybe he liked Eleven, but when he and Eleven are living alone together, he doesn't really make any clear indication of liking her in that way. As soon as Mike visits he starts to act a little strangely. The writers of Stranger Things are definitely building up to something with Will's character in Season 4 Part 1 that will probably be revealed in Season 4 Part 2.

[@Lostinmyhead23]

He was affected in the second season though. Remember he coughed up a slug and could see the black shadow spider thing. Now it’s like all that happened in the past didn’t happen. I wish they would connect in some way shape or form like it would be interesting to see Will start to have flashbacks of the upside down or somethingz

[@lumice7154]

Wasn't it in s2 or so when Mike said: "it's not my fault you don't like girls" will looking quite hurt and Mike saying sorry right after. I thougt that stated Will being gay and the friends kinda knowing it but not discussing it because its the 80s and they are 12.

[@Lenci_of_Hazelnut]

100% agree! I saw the looks he was giving Mike 👀

[@Kal824]

@@lumice7154 He made that comment in Season 3. Will was trying to get the party back together, but, everyone seemed to be in a relationship with someone, right... Mike and El, Lucas and Max, Dustin couldn't stop raving about Suzie, and even Jonathan and Nancy, so, his big bro not really around like before.

[@sugarskulls2817]

Part 5 my god thank you I feel like no one ever mentioned that elephant ever. Like first season, okay, he's young enough that it's definitely his mom thinking the haircut makes him look sweet and him not having enough backbone to push back on it or try to change it in any way, compared to Mike who already has his personal tyle. BUt then it just keeps getting worse lmfao like we'll KNOW who he is if you give him a different haircut, guys, it's okay!

[@applzd]

I've heard the hair be defended with the argument that it matches Will's character. He doesn't want things to change, so he doesn't change the bowl cut.

[@gennasays_hi466]

It was the 80s. Hair styles back then didn't match up with what we think looks good now, and maybe he just likes the hair? Plus it's really cute when you think about how all the Byers have bangs like that, bc Joyce cuts their hair and that's the only way she knows how to do it! Even Eleven gets the bangs in season 4 when she officially joins their family! Cute!

[@lolawhiterabbit]

Reminds me of Johnny’s Willy wanka

[@aleksandra5808]

People complain about Will's hair more than anything else wym... even the actor hates it. It's actually become annoying at this point.

[@_theporkchopexpress]

This just gives more credence to show that seasons 1-2 were not the creation of the duffer bros, but rather the gentleman who sued the duffer bros.

[@k.kirschh]

I completely disagree that Eddie had any emotional feelings about Chrissy’s death bc he saw it right in front of his own two eyes. He had every right to be upset & he was which is part of the reason he fled, not just bc the cops were after him. He mentions in detail what happened to Chrissy to Robin & you can just see the agony in his face & the pain he felt in that moment can’t be dismissed either. The look on his face as it was happening is insane

[@ghostsontrains7629]

the issue is that for 8 episodes shes not mentioned in a substantial way

[@aaronlandry3934]

He had no emotional connection to Chrissy. He was just selling her some weed and she was traumatically mutilated in front of him. Her character served no other purpose than trauma and Eddie kills himself too, so both were kinda pointless. I mean, at least Alexi from season 3 was memorable for being a helpful Russian scientist that aided in the journey. Eddie was an annoying guy that refused to graduate high school to play Dungeons and Dragons and died in the upside down

[@k.kirschh]

@@aaronlandry3934 I think half of ur argument is the fact that Eddie’s character was pointless - which is quite literally what you said & I have to disagree. Although he is not a pivotal character, he supports the plot in such a way that ppl still love him for what he brought to the show. & yeah he may not have had a prior emotional connection, but you cannot argue that he didn’t feel anything after the trauma he endured. & they were becoming better friends & building a trust within each other so even though they weren’t super close, there had to be some form of open ended emotional gratification/closure on Eddie’s part that drove him to fight Vecna with the rest of the characters. His character was simply put - that he already was the type of person that was emotional, whether he acknowledged it within himself or not. That’s kind of his whole character development.

[@k.kirschh]

@@ghostsontrains7629 I also agree but I didn’t mention that bc it had no relevance to what I initially stated in my first comment. Yes they could’ve & should’ve done more to implement her as a character instead of killing her off right away, but I’m not referring to how many times she was referenced. I’m only referring the way it affected Eddie.

[@k.kirschh]

@@aaronlandry3934 & you gotta pay attention to details. He offered her I think it was a half for $15 😂 I would kill to get a deal like that from any plug lmao but clearly that indicated that he started to feel some type of way towards her, whether it was lust or the possibility of a real connection, there was a reason behind it.

[@Lostinmyhead23]

I find it crazy how the first few seasons were about Will and now he’s barely a main character. I hope they loop it back around in a way because watching this last season, I forgot he even went missing.

[@robbiesmith8055]

Noah's performance in S02 was so good that it made Will my favourite character, but he's been a total after thought ever since. It's so weird. I'm with you, I'm hoping that after some of the main cast dies (like the Duffers keep implying) they'll have more room for forgotten characters like Will who haven't done anything the last few seasons.

[@WillowJordan1979]

My issue with this and the previous season is that the characters are so spread out having their own side quests. The cast doesn't seem as united as they were in the first seasons, because they're divided into smaller groups that don't interact with each other. That means the relationships between some of characters don't really evolve. I've found that disappointing compared to the early seasons.

[@brizdem2113]

That's the point though. They make different storylines with different people and have them develop on their own and come together in the end. And also for the plot it just doesn't make sense to keep them together the whole show.

[@Uglyweezer]

I think there’s just too many characters right now and that’s where the issue comes from

[@azizahanekwe5712]

I agree, however, I had the opposite reaction to how their separate storylines played out. I actually enjoyed the separation between them. These little subplots and quests that everyone is doing in their small collective groups seem super divided, but so unified in terms of all of them finidng different pieces of information that will ultimately help all of them uncover the truth. They all are discovering different tasks but are all helping each other in different ways, therefore this is why I like the direction they went with that!

[@brizdem2113]

@@azizahanekwe5712 that’s a good way to put it

[@brizdem2113]

@@Uglyweezer that’s fair there is a lot. i think in vol 2 it will neaten itself out though

[@edamitep1533]

Wow. You are minimizing his trauma of being an outcast and NEEDING spiders to be friends. I can't believe you.

[@mitskishusband151]

my prob was will is so unused this season. he was literally the focal point of season 1 and season 2, can sense the upside down and the monsters, and they don't use his onscreen presence for anything other than his struggle with his sexuality, third wheeling mike and el, or that wierd neck chill he gets when he senses vecna like bruh. they also broke up the original friend group and reduced mike's character from unofficial leader to someone who couldn't care less about his friends and whose only personality trait is being el's boyfriend. even lucas's personality doesn't get explored beyond his relationship with max and having the initial struggle with trying to get popular and coming back to his friends later. although his performance with max in the last episode was some of the best acting I've seen so I'm pretty sure it's just the writers not giving him the opportunity, same with the actor who plays will not getting any opportunities lately when though they're both phenomenal actors. the only one who actually has a developed personality from the og cast is dustin and/or steve, they're literally carrying the show rn because they're actually interesting and actually doing actions that drive the story and plot. just feels like once the friend group broke up they prioritized dustin and steve and fumbled the rest of the characters so bad.

[@gymnasticsgirlie0647]

Agree with everything except the fact that Dustin has a developed personality. Still love him though. To be honest, Steve is probably the only character on the entire show that has had any sort of substantial character development. Dustin has always been the goofy one, Max and Erica always the sassy ones, El always the unsure one. The only exceptions I can think of are that Mike and Lucas went from having actual personalities to being mere extensions of their girlfriends, though I'm not sure that really counts as character development.

[@anarchistgoddess6492]

They basically just used Will to be the victim and dumped a bunch of trauma on him and then cast him aside and gave him no life or personality. There’s no way he wasn’t really messed up after all the things he went through yet they never go over it. Instead he’s made to look like an immature child because he still wants to play D&D, which his friends wouldn’t do with him (most of his childhood was ruined and y’all spent so much time trying to get him back and you can’t even play a few games with him)??? Like bruh. -_- and honestly the writers have to stop introducing new side characters just for the sake of killing them off so they don’t have to kill off the main characters. They also give the side characters more personality than the main ones so I would care more about their deaths than some of the main characters. Like Bob and the Russian scientist, Alexi. Their deaths hurt more than Lucas or Mikes would tbh lol.

[@fart63]

So literally all of the characters are bad now lol

[@spOOkytimes]

It really annoys me how they are making so many minor or extra characters with borderline or full on psychopathic traits, or at best 0 critical thinking. Even Elle's bully made fun of her dad being dead and and all the other school kids did nothing or were on board. Not one person would at least approach her privately about how messed up that was, not even a teacher? She also made it her full-time job to make her life a living nightmare and harass her with the potential to get expelled and/or sent to juvenile detention for what exactly? Then there's that jock who somehow got the entire town on board to kill children with absolutely no evidence besides circumstantial. like why take characters to these extremes to the point where we get schadenfreude when they get hurt or killed? seems like a cheap and superficial way to get people invested imo.

[@carnuatus]

You're forgetting that the 80s were wild. Not entirely excusing the writing around this stuff but well-off white kids got away with a lot back then. It's literally the reason Columbine was allowed to happen.

[@spOOkytimes]

@@carnuatus Not arguing privilege being a big factor in people getting away with horrible things, but Columbine happened in 1999 and was notable because it was an extreme case. I do agree that the incompetence of the adults involved with Columbine matches the adults on the show.

[@threeleafclover3222]

Jason convincing the town is completely believable. Even when Mike was trying to get a stand-in for the vecna campaign one person says “my mom said that promotes satanic worship and animal cruelty.” Eddie is introduced by reading an article about how d&d promotes murder, and Eddie as a character represents social deviance and non-conformity. The town has been through a series of unexplained deaths for the last three years, the summer prior 30 people died at star court after the mall closed, the federal government + military showed up, and they called it a “mall fire” it makes perfect sense that people would be on edge, the town has been through a lot. Jason represents the towns reaction to social deviance, and also acts as the vessel through which the town interacts with the main characters. Specifically Lucas, because Lucas wants to be popular and accepted. His arc this season was about deciding to be misunderstood with his friends, than accepted without them. He rejects the status quo, rejects the possibility to be popular, for the sake of his friends. It’s not an accident that “forced conformity” is referenced, or that Eddie “the freak” Munson is immediately pegged for devil worship and satanic rituals.

[@UOHCUNY]

@@carnuatus you're making shit up

[@yordanstefanov5570]

@@carnuatus I disagree. Not even bullies make fun of someone's father dead. At least not in front of all class.

[@forbesgray9395]

"Eddie wasn't emotionally affected By Chrissy's death." I think you did make a few good points, but this one doesn't really make sense at all, to me at least

[@yubelwish]

The town is chasing him with pitchforks what do he want him to do? Grieve at her funeral and attend counseling?

[@ssxattention7457]

Yeah that line from Alex was dumb as hell because as you can see on Eddie it did affect him in a way but the fact he is being chased by the whole town for a crime my baby boy did not do he really has no other choice then to run he didn't even had time to grieve or be upset about her death because of everything that is going on

[@BPacheco8]

​@@ssxattention7457 plus when he's explaining to the others what happened he says "I just left her there" & he's clearly upset & regretful even though it wasn't his fault or he couldn't save Chrissy.

[@lightmj9650]

@@ssxattention7457 She's a random chick he met just a few hours to sell drugs to. Do you really believe people from emotional attachment within the first day they meet someone? Her death won't affect him in the long run It's just the way she died that shocked him.

[@_nyx]

It affected him in a way that seeing a person die is traumatising, but he would've had that reaction with anybody. It being Chrissy _specifically_ that died had no specific emotional impact on Eddie.

[@gymnasticsgirlie0647]

One rule that Stranger Things has never, ever broken is no character will die who is on the good side and has also been on the show for more than one season. Which basically encompasses all the main characters. It's funny, because they hyped up the deaths for Season 4 so much before it came out, hinting and hinting and hinting that main characters would actually die. And yet, the deaths followed the same rule as all the other seasons.

[@youngveach]

11:29 Part 5: Wills hair I mean seriously what the fu- 😂😂😂

[@Evathebunnywoman]

I can’t stop laughing 😂😂

[@CARING_BEAR]

I think we were all thinking that 😂

[@PurpleFilm922]

Eleven was absolutely broken after Season 3. moved out of Hawkins, lost Hop and her Powers. her journey to rebuild herself was compelling for the season and the writers tied everything together rather well.

[@aaronlandry3934]

With a bunch of random lazy retcons that create obvious plot holes like 1 killing every psychic child that wasn’t 11, because 11 already met her older sister 8, whom 1 didn’t kill because spiders

[@aaronlandry3934]

@Argentinian.Grandpa.2021 Yeah, I’ve seen every minute of this not very great Netflix show. Netflix as a company has seemingly gone downhill and their content with it

[@Treacho]

@@aaronlandry3934 L opinion

[@aaronlandry3934]

@@Treacho Everyone knows it’s an opinion. Everyone’s entitled to one

[@wetsocks5055]

@@aaronlandry3934 They already establish that 7 escaped before 1 killed everyone.

[@Tigerwolf102onYoutube]

I’m quite certain they say in the show that she basically had a stroke or something and that’s why she forgets about 1 and how to use her powers. She also had blood pouring out of her eyes from 1 so I’d imagine he probably caused a bit of brain damage. The brain damage, stroke, and trauma mixed together is what made her forget.

[@sophiathefurbst]

your brain also actually has what is essentially a switch that can “turn off” archiving memories of something that it knows would be traumatic or distressing - for example, I didn’t remember saying goodbye to my dying grandfather over the phone THE DAY AFTER - so it’s possible that that’s happened

[@waterylemon6880]

@@sophiathefurbst Yes that's true but it's kinda weird how Brenner had those specific tapes with those camera angles tbh m

[@aaronlandry3934]

Yeah, forgotten traumatic memories are great for when lazy writers want to retcon characters into having more powers that they don’t have to work for. Like when 1 remembered that the Spider God had gifted him with even more powers years ago and he killed 11

[@quinnlove5777]

Did they ever actually say that in the show? Because if they didn’t you really shouldn’t be doing the tv shows’ work for them and explaining their own plot holes. That’s not good writing and it’s bad if the show has to rely on fan theories to close up their plot holes/inconsistencies. But I’m also not certain at all that they explained why El forgot about 1, but maybe they did explain why she forgot how to use her powers but I’m also in the camp that they didn’t. I also think that the show presented El losing her powers as just that: losing her powers, she didn’t forget them she just lost them ig?? I dunno, but if they did tell us that then it would make a lot of sense (Btw not trying to attack u or anything, I just wanted to discuss how I felt :) )

[@Tigerwolf102onYoutube]

@@quinnlove5777 I'm like 99% certain Brenner says she had a stroke or something like it. I believe his direct words were "when people have strokes they forget how to do things" in reference to her.

[@ilovekittens9987]

I agree with most of the points you made in this video, I just binge watched Stranger things This week knowing nothing about it prior and I definitely have a few issues with season 4. I feel like they just tossed out most of the character development from the previous 3 seasons. I Honestly think that the show could of ended with Season 3 and I would have been satisfied with the ending, even though I love Hoppers Character. Season 4 just doesn’t fit with the rest of the storyline. Also them completely forgetting about Will in seasons 3 and 4 is horrible, he could be so much more important to the storyline. And the whole 11 thing in season 4 doesn’t make much sense- She can’t talk basically at all in season one yet in her flashbacks she is having full conversations? And I personally think it’s pretty convenient to just have her forget everything that happened in the lab until it’s useful to the plot (I know she may have blocked it out because it’s traumatic, but she has memories of several other traumatic events). Overall I love the show, but season 4 doesn’t fit with the rest of the show in my opinion.

[@tony9146]

Completely agree that Season 3 served as a great ending to the show. Season 4 just felt disjointed and a lot like that bad episode of Season 2.

[@ilovekittens9987]

@@tony9146 glad I’m not the only one. It seems like a lot of people discovered the show from season 4 and it is praised as one of the best but in my opinion it loses a lot of what I loved about the early seasons.

[@meowmeow9617]

11:20 I died of laughter when the TMNT music started playing- 🤣

[@yourm8markas]

Same