Stranger Things: The Complete History of Billy Hargrove | Horror History

[@cassie1790]

Whoever wrote his character really understands reactive attachment. It’s why he seems to both hate and care for Max simultaneously. He really does care for her, but he is also a victim of abuse. When he becomes close with someone, he pushes them away emotionally, and he has control issues.

[@I-love-alice-fpe]

138 likes and no replys? Let's fix that

[@Jekasnaka]

169 likes and 1 reply’s? Ley’s fix that

[@ednadunham8892]

He was a racist also

[@staceyharms6819]

204 likes and 4 replies, let’s fix that.

[@prettypoppin_552]

@@ednadunham8892 True. You're the first person I've seen point that out

[@JustforKikX]

I actually really liked Billy. He was the right amount of antagonistic/sympathetic. I was sad when he died. Good character.

[@toxicstudios5748]

same

[@comedygod522]

You liked a racist

[@toxicstudios5748]

@@comedygod522 dude its a fucking tv show

[@comedygod522]

@@toxicstudios5748 just because it's a show doesn't mean Billy doesn't get some accountability for his racism. Racism in fiction and real life are both bad.

[@iii_brad5863]

agreed

[@midvvest]

it would’ve been so cool to see steve, billy, and eddie as a trio fighting bruh 😭😭😭

[@Kaylenjustkaylen]

Only if billy was alive this would’ve happened

[@melarie205]

all of my fav boys😢💗

[@Lord_Of_The_WhoLock]

I feel like Eddie and Billy would've had a very entertaining rivalry

[@BrittLewis-rj7dp]

Helll yesss .... I'm with you 300% was Hoping for it right up till they killed him .

[@lilliannuhhh]

not eddie, Jonathan

[@kingdevin_]

Billy was a good antagonist for seasons 2 and especially 3 tbh! His death was pretty sad to me and heartbroken 😢 I hope to see a character history on Eddie Munson or Dr Martin Brenner next

[@anthonyjacobs7561]

Jason carver and dr brenner

[@rosieglows]

Billy was an Ahole and he barely had a character arc redemption.

[@garnerhedrick3195]

E

[@realericdraven21]

agree

[@ratw-rumbleactiontoywrestl2278]

@@rosieglows because he is influenced by his fathers intentions and he also has a good side. Example: his mother and Karen wheeler. We didn’t need a big character arc because we already knew he was a victim. The sacrifice is all he needed for redemption because he was partly controlled by the mind flayer.

[@crimsonffire]

Billy was a very well fleshed out character. I think the reason people were so sad that he died wasn't just because he sacrificed himself for max the. But when you see the little happy kid he was , losing his mother , because you kinda think something bad happened her? Then years of his dad being abusive to him. You look back over how he treats max and everyone else and just feel sad for him he could have been a totally different person if things had been different. But as great as a character is it made sense how he died and he got the anti hero redemption arc. I don't think Billy allowed himself to show emotions towards people he cared about, he didn't want to seem weak or have it used against him. That's why how he treats max is so conflicting. He cares but goes about it in the worst ways possible. But he obviously loved her enough to sacrifice himself to save her and tell her he was sorry. Its such a great show with great characters

[@JazzyB9481]

Yeah that's exactly why I was so sad about his death! It was the fact that he was once an innocent kid, but his experiences hardened him. One could argue that having a hard life doesn't excuse that type of behavior, but he really wasn't a bad guy after Max set him straight in season 2. He really just worked out, worked, and kept to himself after season 2, before the mind flayer got him. And in the Sauna scene he cries and apologizes to Max and says everything that's happening isn't his fault. He tries to protect Mrs. Wheeler by telling her to stay away from him after he's flayed, and even resists the urge to knock her out in that scene. And when the mind flayer is telling El that he's going to end everyone, you see Billy shed a single tear. I actually really grew to love his character after watching season 3 a few times.

[@crimsonffire]

@@JazzyB9481 yeah I think as the audience , we got to see more to Billy than the average "bad guy character " because you get flash backs of him as a kid and El used this and the love he had for his mother to break the smell the mind flare had over him. They have to be some of the best thought out characters I have seen in a show and as you pointed out each season you grow to like and care for these characters ,they are so reliable in so many ways. I know I was kinda rooting for him to live . But he redeemed himself and it was max he wanted to know most that this wasn't him. Was so gut retching to see him open up and say it wasn't him and apologise before the flare took him back over and escaped. The also choose great actors for their roles . Guy who played Billy was great. Going to be a mixed bag for season 5 but all great things must eventually come to an end.

[@JazzyB9481]

@@crimsonffire yeah they absolutely have the BEST casting directors because the actors do such an amazing job and are such perfect fits with their characters. I'm not gonna know what to do with myself after season 5 ends!

[@obi5398]

I had a stroke trying to read this

[@crimsonffire]

@@obi5398 oops sorry

[@Slice2099]

Unfortunately you’re gonna have to make one on Eddie Munson 😔

[@Jumbalowbumbalow]

He doesn’t have to, but yeah… 😔

[@Funny-NuMbE7]

Why don't you like Eddie

[@Jumbalowbumbalow]

@@Funny-NuMbE7 They never said that

[@zoe8832]

@@Jumbalowbumbalow just say they

[@Jumbalowbumbalow]

@@zoe8832 Alr I edited it

[@Dmbm789]

Rip Billy, Rip Eddie, Rip Barb, Rip Alexei, Rip Bob, but shoutout to Argyle for making it through this season alive 😂 I actually liked his character as a new addition to the group

[@JeroldBoy0407]

Argyles character was shmackin maaan

[@Dmbm789]

@@JeroldBoy0407 yeah every stoner if they were on the show 😂

[@occidere13]

Man, imagine Eddie and Argyle meeting eachother. Totally would smoke palm tree delight together.

[@Dmbm789]

@@occidere13 absolutely my dude they for sure would’ve blazed up and rocked out

[@mangle3019]

@@occidere13 they would be best friendsss

[@cateyes3813]

No, Billy is not like Henry Bowers because Billy handles all his problems/fights completely alone, whereas in strong contrast, Henry Bowers can only do anything to anyone when he's got all his buddies with him. That's VERY different. Billy doesn't seem to have any friends and is quite a loner.

[@gl1tch.7]

tommy hagan is billy's friend

[@ivanborgia3580]

Yeah, Troy from ST1 was like H Bowers

[@janedee6126]

The scariest thing of Stephen Kings work is how useless the adults can be

[@CiaraEliizabeth]

I'd say that's a strong theme of King's. He is intentionally drawing a parallel between fiction and the real world in whic most adults are useless! That's what makes his works terrifying, they reflect real life.

[@rolyngeorges7315]

Billy is one of my favorite Characters. He’s both tragic, sympathetic, and super cool.

[@cmm3699]

When billy says his full name at 10:52 it kind of sounds like he said: “really heart broke”

[@maathershouhdy9407]

Yeah

[@fallingawayfromthenorm]

It was so disturbing that Karen showed interested in an 18 year old man who was still in high school, and then started trying to entice and pursue him when he was either still 18 or 19. Nothing more questionable than some way older adult going after freshly out of high school young adults.

[@GehennaDreams13]

He seemed to come onto her way stronger. But she should have never entertained the idea.

[@scottjones845]

That was the 80s and 90s for ya lol middle aged adults be clapping 18 year olds and it was just taboo in social circles. If you were a dude in highschool and landed someone's mom you were a god until graduation 🤣. Other way around? Idk get kicked out of book clubs or something. People were just more sexual back then there was no cancel culture or social media to distract yourself with. Take all those things away and inject boredom on mass and people are incredibly horny. I'm not advocating it don't get me wrong but I was alive during a lot of the tail end of that and conscious enough to know what was going on and considered normal. At least on the 18 year old male side of it at the time. Nowadays they're not "better" they're just causing mayhem in different ways like tiktokers harassing the hell out of people in deplorable ways. Lol

[@CLXWNZIY]

Karen showed interest because Billy was manipulating her. He even wanted to have it, not her. She wanted to stay with her family, but Billy wanted something much more.

[@BMarie774]

I love how this show makes us mourn for “bad” people. People have intention, both good and bad. They make choices, both good and bad. I’ve always loved how they make us feel that, often truly right before that bad person changes and dies. We just got it in season 4 with “that character” lol. Demogorgen, Demodogs, “bad” people. It shows that every has both good and bad. But with Vecna..he straight up says that’s not him. He’s just..all bad.

[@SamsarasArt]

Jason was pretty irredeemable too. There was nothing positive or good about him.

[@anatoldenevers237]

@@SamsarasArt Jason sucks but he wasn't entirely bad, he clearly cared about Patrick and Chrissy(even if he didn't understand her as much as he thought he did) and he was genuinely trying to save Max when he found her and Lucas.

[@salazar556]

I love Billy's character. I'm glad they did decide to kill him off, though. As someone that wasn't crazy about Max at first, I think his death really benefited her character.

[@Jumbalowbumbalow]

Bru-

[@user-gz1su4mf9t]

Slimey what nerd

[@hopeleslydevoted6170]

Well shes dead too so I guess.

[@cassie1790]

Right, I can’t figure out if people are confused this is a fictional show or what, but you’re obviously not saying you’re okay with killing off a real person lol. I’m also glad they killed off his character. It wouldn’t have been the same season or character arc for him or max.

[@iii_brad5863]

yeah

[@justposi]

DUDE lol the 90's NBA reference cracked me up. The fact that you know how physical 90's used to get in the NBA. Respect

[@petertracycarroll]

I think the tragic thing about billy is he was just like Steve a jerk but you could tell there was something underneath all that we sadly only saw that in his final moments with his apology to max I wish he got to survive and overcome his fear of his dad and maybe even fix his relationship with max but sadly he died too soon

[@nataliecermakova6870]

Yes i really wanted to see some character developmnet from him and wanted to see him become a better person. I think his death was well made but i would be happier if he would get a chance to change for the better

[@petertracycarroll]

@@nataliecermakova6870 exactly everyone deserves a second chance

[@nachgeben]

Racism CAN be incidental. It's entirely possible for Billy to not have cared about Lucas and never showed a single racist bone at him--if not for his interaction with Max. Billy does show interest with Max, but it's clear it starts as a sort of control, not anything positive. So take this, and add a black boy getting a crush on Max, and it's a perfect storm for targeting Lucas. I seriously don't get the 'he never showed interest in her' from you. It's clear he thrived over controlling her--because he'd get his ass kicked if he didn't keep her firmly under his thumb.

[@izadorad]

Pretty sure the duffle brothers said he was racist lol

[@malik-fu2jx]

dacre ( the actor ) was meant to call lucas the n word in the show but he refrused to they didnt do the scene.

[@celianunn2070]

Interest =/= control or fear 🙄

[@chimmychim8801]

The duffer brothers literally confirmed that billy was racist(which they did a great job at showing indirect racism) but it gets annoying how people skim over that fact and say it’s not true especially when billy was supposed to call Lucas the n word in the original script but dacre was uncomfortable with that and refused it

[@jxlvn05]

@@chimmychim8801 exactly bro! i can’t tell how many “billy stans” have defend this racist, abusive character to the grave..it makes no sense bc it’s so OBVIOUS that he was being racist to lucas even though it was indirect 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@robdaniels8949]

Billy didn’t die…. He got sent to a 3rd dimension to make amends and become a power ranger

[@flash_mercenary4033]

I thought they sent him to the 60s to help Elvis find his freedom from the Snowman

[@mikalapron]

@@flash_mercenary4033 No, he got sent to the 2000’s and played Party In The USA with Miley Cyrus.

[@lllightskindude]

He got mutated and became the next ninja turtle

[@maathershouhdy9407]

This is cursed.

[@bosinclair7597]

billy and eddie are always gonna be my favorites. i want them back so bad :(

[@silmarillion666]

same😭

[@Ghost-bp7zt]

Sameee :')

[@akbarshabazz-jenkins7847]

Keep dreaming

[@raven8950]

@@akbarshabazz-jenkins7847 keep crying

[@akbarshabazz-jenkins7847]

@@raven8950 Your boyfriends aren't coming back and the only ones "crying" about it are you weird fangirls

[@chanelhenderson8460]

Billy was my baby I know he was an ass home but once Eleven hit him with that memory I died...He's like Billy from The Boys. He's all tough until his past pain comes back to haunt him. And they both have the same first name lol

[@delix787]

Billy was so damn wasted. Billy’s character wasn’t even finished. They NEVER went back and told his story with his abusive father. Instead L saw everything of his past. But that should have been his character arc telling us his backstory. And maybe working out issues with his dad. But wait. Stranger things isn’t about family Problems. So why even give us awareness to his personal life? If you were never going to revisit that situation? Billy Eddie and Steve. What have been a badass team! 😥

[@SjofnBM1989]

It's El* not L Like ELeven

[@bradleyhernandez1170]

That's the thing not everyone is going to have a happy ending especially with family issues that they have

[@NutsItsBerserkinTime]

@@SjofnBM1989 wow how patronizing. Such a kind person you are.

[@ironicly__iconic]

The thing that most people miss with this character is that it wasn't just his Dad that made him that way. It was his parents, mother included. She was toxic too. You see her throwing plates before she gets smacked. And the main reason I think Billy hates women is his mother just abandons him to live with his abusive Dad on his own. His Dad didn't leave him. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@SjofnBM1989]

And she left her son with a man she KNEW was abusive. when she left Neil she didn't take Billy with her.

[@kimawhitehawkjordan7714]

@@SjofnBM1989 Thats very Cowardly

[@corimoon3360]

Why do you think she threw those plates?? Did you see the way he was all up on her?? It’s called a reaction to abuse. The fact that you’re using that to make her sound toxic shows how dumb you are. You just can’t stand the fact that the abusive father is bad. Also what a stupid comment “his dad didn’t leave him” are you DUMB?! His dad stayed mad beat the shit out of him that was way worse to him than his mom simply leaving and I’m sure there’s a reason she couldn’t just take Billy otherwise y’all would say she’s “keeping him from his dad”. At least His mom didn’t beat him. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@corimoon3360]

@@kimawhitehawkjordan7714 It’s not cowardly. You don’t understand abuse victims so you need to stfu

[@corimoon3360]

@@SjofnBM1989 Yeah bc she KNEW she couldn’t take him. If you’re not an abuse victim you need to stfu. None of y’all understand what she went through.

[@blaze556922]

the funny part is Billy and Mrs Wheeler look closer in age than she and their father do. She's a stunner of a a mom and the actor playing Billy is in his 20's

[@lilynelms9515]

tbh they prolly are mr. wheeler seems much older than her lol

[@janettenava4050]

Nancy states there's an age gap them when she was at the shooting range with Jonathan. She said something along the lines of not believing her parents were in love. "My dad was older with a well paying job and my mom was young and pretty". I probably messed that up badly but the point was made.

[@englishatheart]

20s* Apostrophes aren't used to make plurals.

[@englishatheart]

@@lilynelms9515 probably* Use actual words.

[@sh1ns0uk0ku4]

@@englishatheart girl it doesnt matter how they spell its not even that important 💀

[@puromann2370]

billy doesnt care about people liking max, he cares about his dad knowing that boys like max

[@topfacts7768]

He did care thats why he sacrificed himself

[@xmoomzix2063]

I feel like with Lucas, Billy knew that if his dad caught Max with him, it would be deemed Billy's fault. Neil is probably the racist and Billy was doing damage control and yeah I get how it's interpreted as being racially motivated but it's not explicitly shown and I think maybe that's what Dacre was getting at.

[@KreationsOvMatt]

Yeah, that's how I see it. Though Billy would have probably reacted the same way if Max took an interest in any of the other boys. Billy was a shit person but I don't believe he was a racist.

[@kanishkar1089]

but the duffer bros said he was racist in an interview

[@ispartacus1337]

Dude was ABSOLUTELY racist lol and I guarantee Billy would have voted for Trump. Hes basically every conservative in their 50s and 60s today. They act like him and claim they're not racist.

[@SkittleBurstsxoxo]

@@kanishkar1089 Right? Like white people are so ready to erase blatant racism, even when it's explicitly confirmed.

[@candlelamp8729]

@@kanishkar1089 do you think you could link the interview? And honestly at this point i feel as though it’s up to interpretation, since there’s sources going both ways.

[@booktraci7954]

Oh my God, Professor Farnsworth saying "go to hell, Heather!" Gave me liiiiiiife 😂😂

[@schools6555]

I really liked Billy he was always a villain in a way but a likeable one. Billy actually sacrificed himself to save Max and Eleven, something I wish they would have done for Eddie Munson's character.

[@alexischerie2817]

Billy might have bipolar disorder with psychotic and/or schizoid episodes, he has become obsessed with max in the way that he wants to protect her, and step in as almost the father figure within the home because of his distain for his father. That’s why he has been focusing his hate for Lucas, is that like with most fathers they are worried they are going to corrupt they’re precious daughters, because that is the way that he feels towards max. He has devolved paranoia thus him breaking out when he finds max again, in a strangers house, with strange people, and Steve lied about it, kinda does make it seem like they are nothing but trouble

[@illuminate8321]

Bro his father clearly forced him to always seek out Max. I mean it was clearly portrayed in season 2 when Billy told him that he isn’t her babysitter and she has a life. The disdain that Billy feels for Max is most likely the jealousy of her having a mother and he doesn’t. Also the frustration he can’t take out on his dad he takes out on Max. He isn’t obsessed with her.

[@bartplays3392]

Can you do on Eddie as that would be really interesting. May he Rest In Peace too :(

[@Fadedthanahoe8]

Why tf would he do Eddie when there’s vecna/henry/001

[@bartplays3392]

@@Fadedthanahoe8 Oh yeah he can do that too

[@a-uncreative-person]

@@Fadedthanahoe8 cause Vecna’s story isn’t over yet

[@seanmorriss9549]

Omg bro thanks for not having a spoiler alert

[@mangle3019]

I'd literally kill someone to bring back Eddie don't think I won't

[@NotNowJensen]

Billy was an amazing character, it was sad to see him leave, but you know, the Mind Flayer had its choices, killing Billy was one of them.

[@teruhiiko]

I love Billy, nice choice for Horror History! I'd love to see one for Brenner.

[@jaydenharding801]

Billy also looks like he's heavily inspired by Billy from Saint Elmo's Fire

[@clairekubelka4310]

He iss!! Rob lowe confirmed it

[@troglodyte948]

4:38 He said “Will, Lucas and Dustin” but it’s actually Mike not Will.

[@shelbyb9056]

Dacre did such a good job with this character.

[@S13Logs]

Could you do a history of the Upside Down? It's history before the Hawkins Lab portal seems to be interesting to say the least

[@Mangolite]

When Billy told Max to stay away from Lucas was indirect racism. They have no history with the Hawkins community to say it wasn’t. I have witnessed indirect racist remarks from those who intended as such and those who are entirely ignorant.

[@BennyLlama39]

Damn! Max swung that bat like she was frickin' Negan or something. 😀

[@JanisonNesbett]

The thing i loved about Billy always is yes he seemed to hate everyone around him while simultaneously needing attention to get by, but he genuinely, deeply loved his sister always. Yes, in the beginning their relationship was struggling because he harbored resentment to her. But it was still his little sister, he still loved her. He never hated her, Max never truly hated him. It was just resentment intensified by teen angst on both sides. Im glad they atleast made up, and realized they loved each other before he passed.

[@GrandMasterPeep]

I loved billy he wasn’t even really evil until he got whatever the hell the mindflayer did to him and heather

[@akbarshabazz-jenkins7847]

Nope, just racist... that's so much better 🙄

[@GrandMasterPeep]

@@akbarshabazz-jenkins7847 you right I forgot he hated Lucas

[@anatoldenevers237]

He might not have been truly evil, but he was still pretty crappy on his own, racist, abusive, almost certainly would've killed Steve if Max hadn't stopped him.

[@mikailmamedov9980]

Make one on all of Vecna’s victims in season 4. It would be a great lead up to season 5 of stranger things!

[@seanlamar29]

Isn't this the last season

[@obi5398]

@@seanlamar29no

[@seanlamar29]

@@obi5398 it should be

[@obi5398]

@@seanlamar29why? How are they just gonna leave us with that massive cliffhanger

[@justineharper3346]

They did a good job making him a sympathetic villain. He’s such a dick, but I still felt sad when he died

[@SjofnBM1989]

I think it's because when he's possessed by the mindflayer the real Billy lets his vulnerability show and you can see he's just a scared kid trying to look tough because his Dad is abusing him.

[@gloriarominahernandeznoriega]

He was my favorite character, I almost couldn't keep on watching the series.

[@shadowmomochiuchiha6839]

this guy is one of my favorite characters

[@KatieCatWalker]

This is how you know this guy that is the hosting the video, grew up "Normal". Everything he says is from the perspective of a safe and loving environment who is health conscious and not from the wrong side of the tracks like some of us are from. Everything about Billy, right down to his smoking and drinking while working out, is something I grew up with in the 80s and 90s and part of the 00s. Not sure wither to laugh at this guy or being irritated.

[@corimoon3360]

Girl it’s not that deep…

[@allieh5749]

I was so sad when Billy died because he never got a chance for character development/redemption. In the end he did sacrifice himself after all to save Max

[@casimirsinferno]

I'll never be a Billy apologist but his backstory is so relatable-

[@leland5077]

I feel like he did not have enough screen time I wish we could have seen more about this character

[@izadorad]

The duffle brothers have said this in an interview with vulture: Billy is racist, I think. It’s [reflective of] people that he’s viewing as different from him and an overall rage at the world. In this case, seeing his sister with someone like Lucas leads to that conversation." But, also, any way [Billy] can find a reason to attack Max, he’ll use it. We wanted to be honest about what an interracial relationship like that would do, and how certain characters would react, and how a character like Billy would really react to that." So yeah, billy was lowkey prejudice and racist towards Lucas.

[@daft_j]

And his dad Neil was definitely a racist. His dad wasn’t just racist, but also homophobic, and misogynistic as hell

[@izadorad]

@@daft_j yep! And I hate that people are Turing a blind eye and saying that not everything is about race. Lucas is a black teen in the 80s from a small town that is majority white, people were still small minded about race in the 80s interracial marriage in some states were still illegal!

[@daft_j]

@@izadorad And the 80s had racism written all over it since Reagan targeted black people. So, seeing people like Neil pass his prejudice and racism down to Billy is no surprise to me. That and Lucas would hear a variety of racist terms from subtle cues to overt racism since small town folks aren’t always friendly to black people, even when they’re kids.

[@MissAlmostFine]

@@izadorad Exactly. The few times anti-black racism has been highlighted in this series has been the covert, microagressive kind that happens and ppl(who are uncomfortable with discussions of racism) can try to explain away or gaslight the victim in the situation and say it's about something else other than race.

[@scottjones845]

I loved that his sacrifice involved him "planting his feet to take the charge". What was used to alpha Steve was used to save El.

[@mohammedfaizaanmoola8529]

There were so many missed opportunities for the character of Billy. A few examples would be: Billy working with the group. Developing a father - son relationship with Hopper. Developing a friendship between him, Steve and Eddie (maybe even Nancy?) A nice tearful interaction between him and Max where we can have him apologize to her. Fight scenes like maybe him vs Jason or an old Demogorgon in the upside down. An inner conflict between him and Vecna or the Mind Flayer. An interaction between him and Will (since they were both possessed by the Mind Flayer. An interaction or bond between him and Joyce. Closure between him and Lucas. Getting to beat the crap out of his father. If he survived I'm sure the Duffers could have done it in a way where Max is still cursed, maybe because of the abuse Billy has put her through she has trauma so you could get a cool storyline between him, Vecna and Max.

[@Robsalwierak_]

Maybe he comes back in season 5. Maybe they look into these fan theories that the clone he saw of himself was the one that died.

[@greedystalin69]

@@Robsalwierak_ Not to mention Vecna tells eleven that everyone’s still in his mind which we see in season 4 so technically anything possible. It’s a show and like anything else all it takes is a pen and paper for the writers.

[@Robsalwierak_]

@@greedystalin69 right on brother

[@F13fan]

Billy was one of my favorite characters. Dacre portrayed him perfectly. Hate he died. Glad we got a little appearance from him & love for him in season 4. Was kinda hoping Max had wore one of his earrings or jackets(or maybe a shot of her holding it).

[@gluewz1318]

He's the kind of half "antagonist" character that I really love

[@e3litez59]

I feel like if they didn’t kill off billy he would of became part of the group with Steve

[@kellyel1812]

i feel so bad for Billy, he took influence from the people around him A.K.A his father etc, i didnt think he deserved to die over it though. nonetheless, rest i n peace billy

[@07ghostworld]

SPOILER ALERT!vecna said billy was weak and not brave Vecna needs to get a bowl of popcorn and watch season 3 he sacrificed his life so el could live

[@sensitiivv_]

Fun drinking game: take a shot whenever he mentions surfing or California.

[@CZsWorld]

You'd be out cold before the intro

[@normalguyhere9158]

Trying to give me alchohol poisoning

[@Maarwievroegjewat]

I think they should kept billy alive because you could do so much with his character and he would be a good add to the group due to his strength. He could grow a bond with max, understand 11 and will because of the mindflayer, he would be a good help fighting whatever they fight, could apologise to Lucas and so much more.

[@akhtiarahmed3830]

Wow. Another Stranger Things video. Always love these.

[@hotpinkcrayolas]

Are we gonna ignore the Vecna-ness of his final scene with the Mindflayer? Him and 001 even share similar hair 😂 x

[@amandavaldorian]

Even though it is possible that he may have been a bit racist bc of his dad and the times back then, I don't think that's what initially made Lucas a target of Billy's... Many people have pointed out that this happened after Billy saw Max was upset because of Lucas and after that he hated him. Maybe something about it reminded him of his childhood seeing his parents fight and even though he didn't show it very well, he did care for Max and didn't want her to end up like his mother... but that's just a theory!!! ❤️

[@favoritedinosaur759]

I UNDERSTAND A LOT ABOUT BILLY NOW THANK YOU

[@rebeccagray5464]

Billy is also inspired by Rob Lowe’s character from St Elmo’s Fire ( also named Billy)

[@fitnessfocusofficial]

In my opinion he is one of the greatest charecters ever created

[@Shadow1Yaz]

On an in cannon technicality, people occupied by the mind-flayer are people with another personality in their mind. Which is very similar to DID. Real DID is usually developed before the age of 8 though as once a mind is fused into a single identity, it has a very hard time splitting again. A DID mind splits and/or doesn't fuse under one identity thus it's easy for the mind to split and fuse identities into adulthood.

[@itstheguyfromthething]

I just finished the series. And this is making me more sad 😭

[@ocdmusic]

Loving these character histories. Such an amazing breakdown :) Can't wait to see the next season lol long wait ahead.

[@ocdmusic]

Also I forgot Stand By Me was based on a Stephen King story and didn't realise it was seat around Castle Rock or that Keifer Sutherland played Ace Merril lol def need a rewatch, not seen that film in a long long time.

[@ItsNaLa23]

@@ocdmusic gxha

[@ocdmusic]

@@ItsNaLa23 ?

[@sophiewilliams8580]

I heard when you reference to Billy Nolan from Carrie bc of the Stephen King influences but I think it's also interesting that they made his last name Hargroves, could that be play on Hargensen as in Chris Hargensen, also a human villain from Carrie? Also the name Chris as in Chrissy from season 4? Just a loose thought there I guess.

[@CZsWorld]

I could see it

[@sophiewilliams8580]

@@CZsWorld 😃

[@justaguy5862]

@@CZsWorld I hate to ask on a random comment but why do you hate Nancy? ( If you do )

[@psychosparten049.esquire9]

I honestly don’t even wanna skip the ads sometimes, like, it’s so goddamn professional. Also Billy is best bad guy.

[@Bonx04122]

Thank you for doing my favorite character!

[@ml4757]

Say, where was Billy born again? Slipped my mind.

[@hxnax4746]

California right?

[@ml4757]

@@hxnax4746 No way!

[@gnat1731]

if you make one on eddie it would be so sad😭 i’m just waiting to see what happens in season 5 first

[@miyam.j2769]

I love billy well I love that he cares about max and sacrifice his life for his sister 🥺

[@cantbeursup3rman]

hes racist and he only "cares" bc his stepdad tells him to 💀

[@jj.signns]

Smoking was a big thing in the 70-90s Rocky also smokes while training etc .

[@ultra2251]

can you do Brenner's History? I feel like that would be interesting.

[@Venom-ym9yx]

The "Oh Yeah" that played when Eleven sent him through the wall, got me rolling. Great edit!

[@waddlez7192]

I love this character SO much

[@mahdux]

i actually think that billy revving his engine was a last- ditch attempt by the real billy trying to warn them. you can see it in his eyes. If he really wanted to take out the car, he wouldn't waste time revving and he'd floor it immediately

[@whatthehorror]

While he may have been sh*tty, I found Billy's character really interesting and entertaining. Loved this timeline breakdown, it had me laughing a lot.

[@snisbet721]

18:59 Mike was looking at the director after eleven passed out

[@jkkhrrgv]

It makes me sad because he was abused like the most part of his life, he never could do something for him because he was serving his dad. Everyone comes first in his “family”, he was serving his sister too, looking after her all the time. Then he was tormented and abused from a kind of monster. He probably felt weak and vulnerable, powerless and scared all the time, that’s why he tried to protect the most he could his sister (and he was right btw because now she is fighting monster and could be killed any time like we saw in s4) and he died trying to protect her. He was a martir tbh he was angry, yes, but he was only 17-18 years old, he could be saved. Also he was not an asshole to everyone, he was an asshole to people who made him feel treated.

[@jkkhrrgv]

Also I forget to mention that Karen is such a predator

[@jackreid1275]

I wish we got more billy human

[@J4ckj4ck_Sp34ks_Archive]

He could be possessed by Vecna at the time when Vecna uses The Mind Flayer to reach out for a space of connection.

[@treanna2309]

fun fact: Billy’s real name is William billy Hargrove

[@lulivila9425]

I think max knew what it was because they were using it to put will to sleeep

[@kristin2798]

He us an amazing actor! He did amazing in his role.

[@_dxsirxzz]

Big big fan of this thank you for making mine/ our day 💕💕

[@bboy5757]

If you think about it the victor creel house from stranger things is like the well house in it

[@Jumbalowbumbalow]

Oh yeah

[@judithstein3533]

Dude! You totally missed the moment, when Karen goes after Billy and he puts away some chemicals again! You think he went in there just to get out of the sun? Big mistake. We all know what happened with chemicals that very season, dont we?

[@obi-wankenobi.6925]

How many times do you want to say california? Him:yes.

[@Jumbalowbumbalow]

Ugh these commentsssss

[@obi-wankenobi.6925]

@@Jumbalowbumbalow i just say this to make people laugh or enjoy it to make peoples days better i dont know what is your problem

[@Jumbalowbumbalow]

@@obi-wankenobi.6925 Yeah, I know. But I really hate these type of comments, they’re everywhere and really unfunny.

[@obi-wankenobi.6925]

@@Jumbalowbumbalow i respect your opinion but other people like it and i am doing it if you dont like it just scroll dont leave hate comment.

[@RaiBread.]

What you seemed to overlook right away is when billys dad said, "You went to see him again, didn't you?" Which implies she probably cheated on billys father, and even though he accepted it and stayed with her, he never forgave her, and thay resentment and anger grew increasingly and all directly towards billy after her passing.

[@koDaffi]

Hey CZ, since we never did the Colonol Sanders shooting his competition video can we get a history video on Klaus from Umbrella Academy? Not quite horror but he can possess/manipulate the dead and reanimate.

[@wittlemami]

I just realized why he protects Max so fiercely, and it's because his Dad told him that is his responsibility that night she snuck out. So he harbors this anger the entire show towards her. I'm sure other people saw that, but I just realized lol

[@redpc4116]

Make one for Vecna/One/Henry Creel! And maybe even an upside down episode. That would be great!!!

[@kaledmarrero1011]

I feel like Eduardo from Eddsworld and Billy share one thing in common, their love for attention. Remember that flashback in PowerEdd? Eduardo, as a child has seen by the other kids for being in second place on show and tell. That would ignite his rage to get revenge at Edd and finally give him what he need: first place. That's the same rage the Hargrove had when he heard about Steve being a super popular kid in high school, thus creating a rivalry that is similar to Edd and Eduardo in PowerEdd. Billy also 3 "well"s just like Eduardo when we meet for the first time in Hammer and Fail Part 1. So, an Stranger Things and Eddsworld crossover may be possible, but again ST is show for a company, while EW is made by the legendary Edd Gould. Maybe they'll do it for him? Who knows!

[@J3ss_7]

Please make one on Eddie Munson ❤️

[@darkyboode3239]

Even though Billy was an unpredictable and abusive person, he did have a tragic backstory which caused him to turn out that way. Some bullies are made from a history of being abused and scolded, despite there being no justification for such behaviour they usually take the heat out on others to cope with the abuse they deal with. Had he been in the custody of his birth mum instead of his dad when they divorced, he would’ve been a completely different person. Despite his major flaws, he actually did have a good side inside of him when he saves Eleven from the spider monster by sacrificing himself at the end of Season 3. Even though he was also abusive towards Max and she fantasised about him dying as revealed in Season 4, she did feel grief when she literally saw him die right in front of her. She truly did love her stepbrother and wished he could become better, and her thoughts about him weren’t genuine. I also know to many people Angela was a despised character as she bullied Eleven, but we could consider that maybe she had a similar past as Billy which caused her to turn that way as well.

[@jefflabulge]

i'm pretty sure when Flayed-Billy is telling Flayed-Heather about Eleven, its supposed to be Vecna speaking through Billy. (Not sure who that would make Heather tho🤔...)

[@30somethingg]

They were both Vecna. He’s in the particles they are all a hive of one mind, Vecna’s mind

[@yamother8088]

@@30somethingg then why would vecna tell himself something he already knows

[@30somethingg]

@@yamother8088 good question…I think Billy had vecna inside and maybe the others were that gooey stuff controlled by vecna but not a part of his mind?

[@incurrencesclapz2288]

Billy would slam Henry

[@jj.signns]

Frrrr

[@thunderverse1043]

Well obviously he's much much bigger than Henry 😂😂😂

[@blnikolis6522]

12:43 no no. Max knew it was a hypnotic im pretty sure they used it on Will but i might be wrong. Still, Max definately knew

[@vixtermono5901]

Do max, Vecna or Eddie next

[@Jumbalowbumbalow]

Max isn’t dead so he probably won’t do her yet

[@jay_____ber]

Vecna isn’t dead he escaped

[@Jumbalowbumbalow]

@@jay_____ber It’d still be interesting like the Demogorgan videos or the MindFlayer