STRANGEST Mizuno Irons I've Tried! - JPX 925 HL

[@p.davidcash1026]

Gabe: First of all I am a long time viewer who enjoys your videos and reviews. Having said that, I am completely mystified how you haven't figured out that Mizuno is not marketing this club for golfers like you. They are marketing this club at me: a 70 year old golfer who can not generate the club head speed to get a loft jacked modern iron in the air with enough spin to keep it in the air and hit it high enough to have a reasonable descent angle to hold a green. For low swing speed players like myself, we don't care if we can work it both ways, or high and low. We want to get the damn ball in the air, reasonably straight and have a chance at holding a green. You may not like this iron now, but in 30 years if you still are able to play, you will have a much different opinion of it. Just like you wouldn't get anywhere near a 12 degree driver head, or a 9 wood, the staple for most golfers like me to enjoy the game.

[@LetsPlayThru]

Thanks for the comment. I just think the HMP model does all of that and more. This club is essentially redundant IMO.

[@brentwoods4802]

@@LetsPlayThru If you were swinging 70 mph or less, I doubt very much you’d find it redundant. That golfer has no chance to get the Pros up in the air high enough to hold a green. Check back in 10-15 years and see … 😂

[@Spiritdiver]

​@@LetsPlayThru Yea but the HMP performed the worst for slow swingers on the test run on another channel.

[@ryze9153]

​@@LetsPlayThruthat HL model is not redundant.

[@jack-hq7gr]

Interesting, maybe a mixed set… that is why they make different models. Enjoy the reviews, but this is what he does, reviews just about everything.. at least we get different perspectives. Most of us don’t have time to try multiple sets or trade /buy new clubs each month /year. Even fittings can become headache inducting depending on fitter and club bias and availability. Oh by the way he designed a putter…big surprise.. Maybe another channel will review the reviewer???

[@joecook8352]

I’ve played game improvement clubs for 15 years and I’ve never seen one I couldn’t fade or draw a little or a lot, sometimes more than I wanted. I was fitted last year and play the 923 HM HL’s and they are the most accurate and forgiving gi clubs I’ve ever played. My swing speed is 73 to 75 mph and that doesn’t work with loft jacked irons hence the 923 HM HL’s

[@william_hartman]

IMO anyone of any swing speed who is looking for a game improvement iron should be looking at the Hot Metal HL over the standard Hot Metal. At 90+ MPH especially because the distance on the standard HM is just too far, you would be at or near 200 yards with the 7 iron which leaves massive gaps in the bottom of the bag and tighter gaps at 200+ yards where you don't need it. Zero people need a 7 iron less than 30 degrees. I was fitted for the 923 Hot Metal Pros with Project X LZ 6.5 and they were amazing in terms of forgiveness. However I had massive gaps at the bottom of the bag, my 7 iron was 195 yards, 8 iron was 175y, 9i 155y, PW 130y, and then the JPX 923 cross cut grooves GW was 112y. At the other end 6i was 205y, 5i 215y, and 4i 220y. I took them into Golf Galaxy to get them bent 2* weak to see if that would help, but because they are cast and not forged they couldn't bend them more than 0.5*. I bought a used set of 5i-PW, GW Mizuno Pro 245, swapped my shafts into them, and then went to GG and got them successfully bent 2*. Now I have a 32* 7i that is 180 yards and isn't noticeably less forgiving then the HMP. Plus it looks and feels way better!

[@erock1070]

props on the speed you are getting. I feel like the last couple of years your driver wasn't much quicker than that 5i. Well done !!

[@hanshuhta8007]

Great review . As an older injured golfer the high launch I think is a great help . When irons got loft jacked I couldn’t hold tucked pins . Either spin or landing angle are your friend .

[@petegalindez9961]

I think many people mis-understand the purpose of the HL irons…I recall when the 923 HL came out, the PR put out by Mizuno stressed that they were created for that person who just doesn’t swing it as fast anymore and needs help getting the ball up in the air due to that loss of speed…so, when people who swing at the speeds that you and I swing at, or faster, they aren’t really geared for that swing speed category, so the results aren’t great….but, take a person who swings a 7 iron at 60 mph and have them test all three 925s and there should be a much bigger distinction…

[@erock1070]

I swing my 7i around 70 mph and carry it 140, I also like to draw the ball and usually produce too little spin and descent angle. These "HL" irons, like these and the Smoke HL have been really good for me. I will be preordering these 925 HLs

[@LetsPlayThru]

Glad to hear they are working. Before you do, give the pro model a try and you might be surprised - IMO they’re just as easy to get in the air and longer & straighter.

[@erock1070]

@@LetsPlayThru I will try them...but usually like a little bigger profile than the Pro. I play to around a 7-8 cap but swing slower and iron play is my worst part of my game. I sweep the ball and need all of the launch I can get. I start at a 6i and usually anything under 27* simply doesn't work for me.

[@glenburr6755]

@@LetsPlayThruthese HL models are not made for your swing speed. I know it’s been mentioned in the comments all over the place here. I just got fitted for irons a couple weeks ago. I’m 62, 7 iron swing speed is 77 mph. 3 handicap. I have a set of Callaway Rogue ST Pro irons, 30.5* 7 iron. The spin and land angle are not good with irons with that low loft, for my swing speed. Land angle was around 41*. Can’t hold greens at my course in the summer in New England. 28* 7 irons are a definite no go.

[@texasbootlegger3752]

Good review. I am currently playing the 923 HM Pros. No issues so far. Good control, feel, workability and distance. I bought the Pros because they are the smaller profile.

[@LetsPlayThru]

Those are fantastic irons

[@brianrobinson5321]

superb irons with great stopping power much narrower front to back dispersion

[@Golfing-AddiCt]

The trouble with the 225 hollow body clubs is they can be a bit variable off of the face, hard to play when you get a distance that varies to much. The 925 HL's are the most forgiving of the range, but they aren't miracle workers, if you hit a really bad shot they can't cast a spell to bring it back. Maybe the JPX 925 Forged will suit you when they come out in the new year.

[@StevenDietrich-k2w]

Gabe, don't you think forgiveness and workability are almost opposites? Something that is easy to curve both ways is going to be less forgiving, and clubs that allow you to hit it all over the face and still get a decent result is going to be harder to intentionally curve. I can't think of a club that is going to be great at both. These HL irons are made for a specific market, and not the average guy. They are made for the guy that can't get the ball up in the air, and can't hold greens. That's not you, but that is a lot of senior golfers.

[@LetsPlayThru]

Yes I was surprised at the lack of forgiveness and increased workability of these. Just think the Pro models are really good all-arounders and no need for these, but I’m open to being wrong.

[@StevenDietrich-k2w]

@@LetsPlayThru Based on what I recall of the 923 models, the HL didn't look as good. The head looked shorter and the sole looked wider. Wide enough that more of the sole flange was visible at address. I assume these look just as bad.

[@paulmcgee1867]

And probably slower swing speeds

[@SasquatchN64]

Have you tried the new sub 70 699 v2? Also the sub 70 849 driver?

[@charliefrago1380]

the why.... for lower swing speed ( 70 or so for irons), help launch higher. for some of us, might be a good fit. Hope to get fit for new irons soon, and these (and T 350) are top of list.

[@LetsPlayThru]

I think you'll like the Pro model better, but lmk after you try them.

[@zazhou]

Absolutely. For slower swing speed golfers, they will work great.

[@MrJnholmes1]

Think the point of these irons is to help launch for slower swing speeds. I've got the 923 HM HL and it works well. Not sure they are targeting your playing ability, Gabe!

[@SigmaJAD]

The pros were on my radar out of the 3 Gabe. Thx to your testing, even more so

[@erock1070]

its funny when Gabe sets up for a fade he is actually lined up straight (being he usually plays the closed stance push draw).

[@LetsPlayThru]

I know it looks that way but check out yesterday’s vid and you can see how the camera plays tricks.

[@patrickbeach3070]

As a club fitter, these look like a very niche market... as a Golf pro. It looks like a great club for a lot of people with that height… I would be curious to check the overall weight and swing weight of those clubs as it looked like you were trying to find the clubhead today. Swing weight is a vastly underrated metric. When trying golf clubs, swing weight is a vastly underrated metric. It's surprising how good people can hit clubs when they are the right feelIt's surprising how good people can hit clubs when they are the right "feel".

[@JeremyJohnson2925]

Honestly I never understand any reviews on new clubs obviously getting properly fit is ideal . I see the same reviews over and over ..decent to good even great golfers hitting super game improvement irons over and over out of the middle going high and far and the deviation across manufacturers in minimal . I personally wanna see how that new tech reacts on toe strikes heel Strikes . Vs dead middle ones then compare that across makes . Does it help? Is this possible ? Do u need a robot ? That’s what the 15 -25 handicap needs to know

[@paulfarrell7646]

Hi Gabe. Just a quick question. What do you prefer the 923HL or the 925HL?

[@terrypeeples1942]

Which model do you believe are the most forgiving?

[@WilliamHay-d3l]

The HL clubs id say would make anyones game better no matter what your swing speed because there all traditional loft specs and not jacked up like most irons now with companies obsessed with distance. Ever wonder why you cant hit your new 7 iron , its because its really a 5 iron. No point hitting a 7 iron 200 yards which cant hold a green . Also with stronger lofted clubs theres big gaping issues and youll probably need 3 wedges. As i say its all marketing, longer, straighter what else can they say but this.

[@briankelly9318]

Can you post a link to the new specialized putter that your developing ?

[@LetsPlayThru]

Hi Brian, there's a link in the description to get updates on it. Will be some product shots and info rolling out in a few weeks and folks who sign up will get the first crack.

[@K_man1000]

Any indicators of how much the putter is going to cost? I'm hoping anything under 300 would be sweet. 🙏

[@rmayhugh]

These were on my short list when going for my fitting earlier this year, but alas, they are RH only. BTW...are you still selling those driver headcovers?

[@LetsPlayThru]

Yes and the headcovers are ambidextrous 🙌

[@rmayhugh]

@@LetsPlayThru Thanks Gabe. Where can I find them?

[@LetsPlayThru]

letsplaythru.com/shop

[@JDODSON7]

These look a LOT like Sim 2 Max Taylormades. Even the tech is similar. How did these feel compared to how you remember the Sim 2 Max's?

[@LetsPlayThru]

Similar, maybe slightly better.

[@RajKumar-zm4ll]

Is it worth switching from 923 pro to 925 pro?

[@LetsPlayThru]

Hi Raj, probably not. You will get better stopping power with these clubs, but the 923s to me had a little better feel so it’s kind of six in one hand, half a dozen in the other.

[@RajKumar-zm4ll]

@@LetsPlayThru thank you only had my 923's for a year and did not want to fork out more money when its not required

[@paulmcgee1867]

Some are finding the Pros to be the best and others standard model some will be more suited to these. That's why fitting's can be important imo

[@LetsPlayThru]

💯 folks should try them all

[@jason109301]

What no mallet putters?

[@jeffnahass8373]

Powerbilt came out with a hollow body. Not many options. But, they’re trying

[@ecliqxse9591]

When ur a beginner u need this kind of high launch.. when u get better hitting the ball then u need low mid ball flight..

[@LetsPlayThru]

I 100% agree. And I think the other two models in this line do it as well, plus everything else better.

[@adyseven1]

You Sir ? When ego takes over from rationale.

[@evmollet5418]

True lofted game improvement irons… wow…. This was a good idea 10 years ago. Give me a set true lofted HM Pros’s and im in

[@lorimeyers3839]

The 925 irons look hideous compared to the 921 and 923. Horrendous looking. Wow.

[@icetrey2468]

The 923s are so much better looking to me. These 925s are some of the least visually appealing clubs from Mizuno I've seen.

[@LetsPlayThru]

I agree, it’s a step back aesthetically

[@anthonybending2687]

You need them because the lofts are to jacked on most clubs for normal people, like jeez , wedge used to be 48 degree , and that was strong,,

[@guyoglesby6677]

Gabe, please take the time to understand what you are reviewing.....these clubs are for people who have lost swing speed...These Are Not for You.....Terrible review.....Think 60-70 yr. olds who swing their driver under 90 mph.....

[@LetsPlayThru]

Appreciate the critique, just know that I try to take that into account during these reviews. Before you disagree would just ask you to try this vs the Hot Metal Pro from the same series and see if you get even better results. I’m betting you and 98% of folks will.

[@guyoglesby6677]

@@LetsPlayThru I'm 70 years old, driver Spd. around 90....I've had the 923 HL's in the bag for about 2 yrs., lost a couple yards but these clubs allow me to hold the green....last week I hit a gap wedge from 100 yards. that stopped 6 " (inches) from the divot, live in SoCal so greens firm this time of year....my bag Gap-7 iron and then hybrids....So impressed with these I will hitting the new 925's, thanks for letting me share this with you....

[@LetsPlayThru]

Important to separate the 923 series from the 925 series here. Something to note is that these 925s have tungsten weight 4-7 iron for the first time ever. That means they all fly high.

[@guyoglesby6677]

@@LetsPlayThru That is the reason I'll be trying the 925's, normally I play my irons 4-5 years....some you-tubers are seeing much higher ball speeds with the 925's.....keep up the good work....

[@guyoglesby6677]

@@LetsPlayThru Gabe if have time check out Jay of ASKGOLFNUT, his data set is incredible and he just dropped his review if the 925 HL...Have a good one......

[@thomasgodfrey758]

It’s not missing the green because of the club….

[@scottmoree4796]

I totally disagree with your review. I love these clubs and I tried them all, I bought these and they work great for me. 10 handicap. I do like most of your reviews though.

[@jwilder2251]

These are the ugliest Mizunos I’ve ever seen. It’s kind of amazing bc they’re usually the best looking clubs year after year

[@blackheart7886]

I think, having a satanic star on the bottom might limit your audience, Gabe.

[@LetsPlayThru]

The star is made out of golf clubs, don’t think there are any courses in hell 😀

[@AZstu324]

​​@@LetsPlayThruI've heard varying opinions on that matter.. some say that golf is what you play every day if you make it to heaven.. others have said it's what they make you play if you end up south of the spiritual equator. I can definitely understand both POV's 😂

[@LetsPlayThru]

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