stratification chamber in a rocket mass heater with matt walker

[@johnkilgallon207]

That upside down bucket of warmth was the absolute moment I grasped the whole concept! it takes a real expert to be able to make a complex idea simple enough to understand!

[@onlinebills9169]

When you make a video addressing engineers, friend, any animation is acceptable and very appreciated. Thank you for creating and sharing this video.

[@vennic]

Always a pleasure meeting a fellow artist in the medium that is MS Paint

[@paulwheaton]

This was gimp ... mostly. I also used something called pencil2D.

[@paulwheaton]

Animation acceptable?

[@johnqglass]

very acceptable. Wont win an award, but it more than gets the point across.

[@fallingleaves6951]

yep.

[@TheKlink]

paul wheaton does the job, and is pleasant in its simplicity. Referring to the previous video with the tipi, the "cold plug' referred to would be in the little u-bend drawn at 4:46??

[@lbkelgreen1]

very much so. thank you

[@johnwan75146]

Yup, I don't need Pixar pretty. Just some simple examples & good communication.

[@hansjansen317]

reminds me of the Kusnetsov stove. In a monestary in Kiev I saw how the flue gasses went into a stove on the second floor, where the hot gas had to cool down to go into the chimney, raised to the third floor to next " stove", etc. Only the lowest stove was used to burn wood, the other three levels of the building had stoves without burning chamber. Just a small door for cleaning.

[@myronplatte8354]

YES. It's the same concept.

[@felicianocapicia]

I absolutely love this video! It explained it in a way I could understand, whereas I did not understand before.

[@brianhester1996]

Wow! Elegant solution in its simplicity. Thanks for sharing that!

[@terretulsiak]

If only a public school makerspace could build these, it would teach young minds through observation and even participation even more than we can imagine about physics and math. And collaboration.

[@harrymills2770]

Not a ton of math. But building these things and seeing how they work or don't work, would be very beneficial. Acquiring the materials would be an education in itself. What would work best, what's available and what does it cost? I still think that buying cheap-as-possible stovepipe and burying it in dry dirt is the cheapest way to move that hot air through an earth mass. The advantage of this system is that more of the heat would be transferred up towards the living area and less into the ground, as the warmer air is pooling at the top.

[@duncanseath745]

Appologies if this question has been asked already. What measures are taken to ensure reliable sealing of the stratification chamber to prevent fumes entering the room? Thanks in advance

[@walsterdoomit]

Getting ready to build a mass heater. I’ve watched so many vids. I’m so glad I saw this one. Outside the box for the win. 👍

[@harrymills2770]

Yes, it will draw once you get a column of heated air rising up the chimney. The trick is getting the air moving through the thing at the outset, to prevent it filling your living space with smoke on start-up. I think I'd use some sort of flapper "valve" with a hand-powered bellows or blower that I'd close off once I got the whole thing started. I don't imagine it'd take much to save yourself a lot of "Some days it doesn't want to start" mornings.

[@sgtbender1335]

That's what I was looking for... Well done! 😎👍

[@johnkowall2629]

Thank you

[@austinshackles549]

I love this. We're gonna be building a Walker stove hopefully this spring/summer and it'll have a bench attached but as it's on the ground it can and probably will be solid or pebble filled mass. But the next project after that will be good for a stratification chamber :D I love the animations in this, explain it perfectly without even listening to the sound!

[@antonmoric1469]

Really enjoyed this; you did a great job explaining the somewhat non-intuitive physics. Cheers!

[@LolitasGarden]

I believe there is a guy in the audience that understands it and wants to convey that he understands with single syllables.

[@paulwheaton]

That would be chef seth!

[@LolitasGarden]

paul wheaton AH. YES. YEAH. UHUH. YEAP. RIGHT.

[@samyish]

Lolita's Garden people like that are so distracting!

[@karentysver7599]

My first thought was that talking slow doesn't help people understand....

[@fbksfrank4]

Yea

[@bobgunner3086]

Thanks Paul for the clarification. I could not totally get my head around what Matt was describing in his videos, but this helps alot. I would love to scale this down somehow to use as a chicken waterer heater for the winter .. e.g. to have some sort of heated bench to put my waterer on but not so hot as to harm the chickens.

[@portlandlocalchurch8168]

Bury a water container in the ground with 2 tubes going up into the upper container ..ground warms the water and warmer water rises

[@kylestrokelitus360]

Great idea with the stratification chamber, but question is, does the rule for keeping ducting the same size throughout the system go out the window with this? Essentially the stratification chamber can be any size as long as your exhaust is the lowest point and still keeping the exhaust pipe slightly larger than the burn chamber.

[@inmyopinion6836]

Thank you so much for this revelation. You just trashed my WHOLE plan. And half of the labor to produce it ! ! ! ! ! The surface area is amplified by a magnitude of 7. It's like adding 3 times as many solar panels !

[@HansQuistorff]

Planing on doing this in my greenhouse. Use up my barrels with rusted out bottoms. Have lots of clay and sand to make cob. There is a stash of bricks and fire bricks So I just need to get shoveling and cutting and put it together. Will post pictures on permies.com

[@jeanrajotte946]

Question: Is there less "mass" to heat in this RMH than when there's material all around the pipes? I like the simplicity and elegance, here, but is there a loss of efficiency? From the drawings and explanations, it seems there's a big hole of nothing in the middle of the bell,and just a thin-ish shell which would hold less heat than the pile-o-mud around the metal-pipe-designed one? No? Put differently, what's the proportion of air space to mud here compared to a design where the air space is in the pipes alone?

[@consideringorthodoxy5495]

Jean Rajotte I think you might be right, however, I do think the “less mass” problem could just be resolved by adding more mass. This is what the hypocaust systems did. Instead of making winding and weaving maze like flumes across multiple high mass surfaces in a block or a bench looking thing in the middle of the room they would push the gasses out under a very large floor space with substantial mass in and supporting the floors. The hypocaust system follows the principles in this video quite well and I would imagine could be used to more evenly warm a house as “heat rises” or “warm gases rise” as I think he says. Having the entire floor as a get source would allow anyone above the floor to receive heat instead of being needing to be very close to the sides of a large block in the middle of the room as heat doesn’t radiate as much off to the sides.

[@danielmalayko4438]

Good question, Jean. I was thinking the same thing. I think that you're right in that with less mass in the bench there will be less long-term storage of heat and more quick release of heat into the room. Mind you, it will still be wildly more efficient than a typical Woodstove. I also think this design would be more ideal in situations where there is not a lot of strength to support a huge mass-bench, such as a trailer or tiny-home. If you do have the strength, I would go with filling the bench with heat-storing material to get more thermal mass and slow-release long-term warmth.

[@3DCGdesign]

Inside the bench could be like a bee hive set of chambers where these chambers are interconnected, but they "soak up" the heat efficiently into the bench.

[@LifeOfIvyQuinn]

I know this is now an old video but you explained his/this concept impeccably and it makes total sense. Thank you.

[@kylejones2075]

I want to build one outside and bring the warmth in under in a crawl space under a cabin wondering if you could concoct something like that.

[@amarieh2218]

Super helpful with the animations! Thank you!

[@didiross6046]

Finally a fun video not the super serious. Really enjoyed it.

[@kiwamiryderkick3266]

I really like to make my own rocket mass heater, I have a question if I may. Could I use any other fuel other then wood? Such as coconut shell ?

[@teazer999999]

Interesting approach. Nice model but consider what turbulence would do. If the hot exhaust gas filling the chamber is fast, it will call turbulence, mixing hot and cold gas, which would vent to the nearby exhaust chimney. So having the chimney on the other side and low to the ground supports both laminar stratification and turbulent.

[@yuetoobseabass]

Is it any harder to start a draft with this design?

[@paulwheaton]

it depends on the implementation.

[@howdychick30]

This was too funny! Loved it! You guys are coming up with so many new concepts and designs that I keep finding myself wanting to get my hands on the "how to build" material, but then never do, bc the next week you come out with something cooler, and I never know when it's the best type, or if the next whacky invention/idea will resonate with me more... I loved the one that was made for the tiny space with the glass casserole lid, but could not do the masonry work myself. I guess I'm waiting for the builder friendly for the common folk for that one. I am so glad you broke this down into "English." I bought The RMH builder's guide, but to be frank, it was too... wordy, academically challenging... Idk, but I couldn't keep reading it without glazing over and zoning out. Hoping to pick Mud's brain at the Mother Earth News Fair in February. He might have some insight on where I can get what it is exactly that I'm looking for.

[@jonothandoeser]

Looks like the new bench design has less thermal mass though.

[@mightyconker3903]

They aren't new concept

[@user-dm1tv6nl2e]

Is there much of an efficiency difference between a purely ducted system and this reverse bathtub? My gut reaction would suggest the ducting has greater overall surface area interaction between the hot gas and thermal mass, but perhaps the interaction time is increased for the bathtub, so I'm not sure

[@aliciamcnamar8203]

Paul I am very new to all of this and so I have lots of Questions...1. when looking at this as the heat goes into the bench , what makes the heat travel to the end of the bench before being sucked out before it cools down if the 2 air flows are so close to each other? 2. on the build its self- Is there rock in it at all and what or how is the structure built ie supports if no rock in the bench or if there is rock , is it built as a wood box full of rocks? can you explain so I can understand this in more detail?

[@paulwheaton]

"More detail" is why we have the dvds. But I'll try to help some .... the reason that the hot air levels out is the same reason that water in a lake is so level. Or water in a bathtub, or water in a glass. Air is lighter than water. Warmer air is lighter than cooler air. The stratification chamber can be built of any number of materials.

[@wambutu7679]

I love an idea, visualized. Thank you.

[@lilulilulilulil]

Hello! I'm starting to build a BBR8, I'd like to connect it to a seat that works as a stratification chamber. Do you have any advice about materials to utilize for the seat / coach? Thank you!

[@Mark-xt8jp]

Matt Walker has a setup in his house that uses brick and stone for the chamber, he has a couple videos for example kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3ipdKaiqLGNrdE

[@deanthornby2026]

I must of watched this 30 times ....I'm almost ready to go for it ....I'm actually excited 🤣🤣✌️❤️

[@denisdufresne5338]

I am wondering how the cavity in the bench is done exactly in order to avoid problems. Besides I think that the design would be better if the exit would be located at the opposite of the hot air entrance, it will force a better heat distribution under the bench.

[@paulwheaton]

did you watch the movie that this is from?

[@denisdufresne5338]

@@paulwheaton Yes I watched the movie, that is why I wrote that. Maybe I was not clear enough and you misinterpret what I wrote.

[@paulwheaton]

@@denisdufresne5338 in that case, please take your questions to the movie thread at permies and we can then work in pics and drawings and stuff

[@argirismouroufas3854]

Every thing its ok, but how you build empty the place down of the bed? And if you do that, Is not possible the smoke go out in the room?

[@stangoodrich5721]

Once the flow (or current) is established by convection, won't it just short-circuit and flow directly to the outlet if there are no baffles or ducting to force the heat to flow to the far end of the bench?

[@daviddaigrepont9485]

It seems like you'd get alot of smoke backing up until stove was completely heated and the flow was established. Did you find that to be the case?

[@paulwheaton]

After a minute, the whole system becomes pressure negative - so no problems.

[@aaaaaa2206]

If the inlet of the exhaust at the bottom is the furthest away (far right side of the bench) from the hot air inlet of the chamber = bench on the left side, the exhaust wouldn't suck as much hot air away from the inside of the chamber as it would if the exhaust was closer (like in the video), right?

[@DanielaRouge]

Splendid! I have learnt so many things from this video! I have built a rocket stove and I don;t know if I can use a terracota stove (it''s at about 1 m distance from the rocket s), instead of building the mass heater, I mean to introduce the exhaust pipe into it. Ii will probably warm the terracotta and the smoke will go out of the chimney terracotta is 1.50m,/60cm/35cm.If you could answer me, I would be very grateful. Thank you very much!

[@razony]

Love the idea! It may be just from the art work but, if the exhaust coming out of the chamber is risen a bit and the heat the fills the area needed, then the cooler air escapes through a lower duct. The chamber (lower than the first.) should not drop "down" but run lateral than up and out to the sky above. Because A drop will collect debris (ashes...) and over time, will clog which brings me to a access point to be able to clean out every once in a blue moon. But like you said Paul. KZbin lacks 3D drawing capabilities. (My daughter says she can show you how it's done Paul. lol)

[@darrishawks6033]

I appreciate your diagram with your adequate drawing skills

[@jakebredthauer5100]

Putting the stratification chamber below grade or below the floor may be preferable. I haven't done it. If the bottom of it were six foot lower than the combustion chamber a draft could still be established. I anticipate a slight increase in difficulty. The main benefits would be reduced use of floor space, greater thermal mass if in the ground, possibly less cost of labor and materials and a warmer floor. If anyone thinks that it wouldn't draft, please reply. There is the pressure in, and the vacuum out. A bypass to the flue would help to start but I doubt it would be needed. A warm house will warm the flue to cause some pull to get it started. Some heat would be lost to the land of planet Earth but I don't know how much. Dry soil has some insulative quality, about R-2 per foot I think. The heat would slowly drive the soil moisture away.

[@paulwheaton]

I am pretty certain that dry soil has an insulative value of R-0.35 per inch. So closer to R-4 per foot. Other than that - I think this could be an excellent idea. In fact, I kinda think you could weld three barrels together, cover them in an couple inches of low grade (quick) cob, and then plaster on a thick foot of the same cob on top (because heat rises). This would be a magnificent thermal battery.

[@jakebredthauer5100]

@@paulwheaton The horizontal chamber would discharge more quickly to match building heat loss better, I suppose. Warm air rises; that is convection. Heat movement in a solid is conduction and that movement is not affected by gravity, nor is radiant heat affected by gravity. The sunlight coming down is an example. If you put a bare foot on a cold floor you can feel the heat move downward. Extruded polystyrene below the thermal mass would mitigate heat loss. I am new to RMH and your evaluation of my subchamber idea was a pleasant surprise. Batch Rockets. What is your opinion? They would reduce much labor of splitting and feeding wood, correct? I don't know the right name. BRH?

[@63n0it]

How do you build a fume-proof bench without duct ? The video claims duct is expensive. Is this design clay-based ? This would assume it would b suitable for places where there is clay ?

[@waltlars3687]

What is to prevent the heat from "draining" out the bottom and not filling all the way to the cold or right side in the animation?

[@paulwheaton]

Rocket mass heaters tend to be pressure negative systems due to the vertical exhaust being warmed.

[@Dollapfin]

Let’s say you ran the exhaust gasses through a massive chimney running 3 stories. Would that be enough to absorb most of the heat but not impede on the vacuum as much or would you need to make a heat sink and slow the air down like this?

[@tonikryenbuhl6853]

thanks, very good explanation!

[@pipoviola]

Simply genius!

[@samuelthomas9036]

With this method do you have to worry about gas leaking out into the room?

[@paulwheaton]

Yes and no. For the first minute - yes. After that, it becomes a pressure negative system, so, no.

[@Tonzarama]

Looks very promising. We are getting ready to build a Peter batch box design. We have plenty of clay and sand and were planning on the traditional cob bench with 6" flue pipe. My question is which system ( traditional cob or stratification chamber) would more efficiently capture more heat? I already have the materials and being retired have the time to do the traditional cob. I'd appreciate any feedback as we will start doing our build in a week or two, many thanks

[@paulwheaton]

I'm sure peter would agree: stratification chamber is more efficient.

[@Tonzarama]

Paul thanks for the quick reply. Do you know how much cob Matt is using to cover his cut-in half 55 gal metal drums? I know the formula for burying the 6" pipe in a cob bench, but what is the formula to keep the buns warm without roasting the chestnuts in the stray chamber design?

[@broaudio]

Matt here, it depends on where in the system, burn habits, goals, and other variables. I typically end up with thicknesses in the 3"- 6" range in the thinnest section, over the top of the arch. Hope that helps.

[@Tonzarama]

Hi Matt, that definitely helps. Now that I know that the strat bench is the way to go, I'll need to figure out the configuration of drums in my available space. I'll send you a more complete design idea in the next couple of days after I take my final measurements if you wouldn't mind. We are very excited to get this project rolling as winter is finally showing up here at 8000'. Thanks again for all the wonderful posts that you and Paul have so freely shared with us all. Be well, be happy.

[@tribalwind]

broaudio With the system working on the draw/drafting effect of the chimney, would it not be sucking newly heated air out the exhaust before it has a chance to fully stratify down a long bench or other dead end run of mass?

[@RajeevBAgarwal]

Thanks for this explanation, Paul However, the fact remans that the serpentine metal duct allows for covering the whole volume with cob-mass and making the bench or bed more stronger and easy to construct. If we do away with this serpentine duct, the whole bottom portion (stratification chamber) has to be hollow, which may be difficult or costlier to construct. What do you say? Best wishes and love from Bharat (India)

[@paulwheaton]

Sometimes easier and sometimes harder. Sometimes better and sometimes worse. As always, it depends.

[@ncooty]

Do you get more smoke-back with this design? Looks like it would create more back-pressure on the inlet to the stratification chamber. Using Matt's upside-down water example and your drawing, it looks as if the "water" would have to be pushed up and over the outflow. (The system has to suck or push that cooler air through a bend and then up the exhaust.) Also, it seems you'd really have to emphasize air-tightness and structural support to the bench (over the hollow chamber).

[@paulwheaton]

You do need a relatively good seal, but a few leaks are okay. Withe the vertical exhaust next to the barrel it becomes a pressure negative system.

[@garymclay9885]

Is it possible to just expel the exhaust at low level? Rather than forcing cooler gases upwards? It would only work on an outside wall obviously.

[@JacobRichardson]

Golden video!

[@55sunturbine30]

Carbon monoxide excaping through any crack in the bell chamber or any cobed area into the living space can be a serious risk! I believe the standard metal ducting has much lower risk

[@paulwheaton]

zero risk for all practical purposes with a rocket mass heater kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3LFZGxoZ613b7c - a rocket mass heater is a pressure negative system for most of the burn.

[@paulwheaton]

@Marvin Cooper i do all that i can to emphasise that the real discussion is elsewhere (the forums at permies, the dvds, ernie and erica's book). A youtube comment doesn't give enough space to go into a lot of detail.

[@wayne251975]

Curious as to creosote build up.

[@richardwallinger1683]

what prevents the exhaust gas products soaking into the stratification bench construction and smelling bad.

[@paulwheaton]

Mostly how the system is a negative pressure system when it runs. And then when the fire goes out, nearly all of the gasses in the system go out the chimney.

[@josephtastic]

beautiful share. thanks a ton!

[@w4447]

one question. I like the idea but we need to do a side by side comparison. In the case of the empty bucket turned upside down. Where's the thermo mass? Isn't that what the whole idea is about? It is a Rocket Mass Heater after all isn't it?

[@paulwheaton]

the mass is above the stratification chamber

[@paulwheaton]

@@christinaburney5935 except that for 99% of the burn, a rocket mass heater runs pressure negative. And for the last 1% the co2 has been removed from the system.

[@paulwheaton]

@@christinaburney5935 Bell? What bell? The barrel?

[@timyanke9559]

The basic principle of the free movement of gas. Good info

[@Authentique0]

Concept is pretty cool ! How many have been done and does it really work ? I want to do a heated bench outside my newly built loghouse and I want the best system.

[@paulwheaton]

For rocket mass heaters ... hundreds of thousands. For rocket mass heaters with stratification chambers ... maybe a thousand?

[@THEfromkentucky]

That's brilliant.

[@halhibben]

What about convection?

[@cramersbackyard9634]

I don't know if anybody monitors this thread or not but I will give it a go. If I put a 6 inch J tube assembly into a Well insulated 4X4X5 (L W H) stratification chamber. And I let the flue gas out through a vertical "chimney" from the bottom of the barrel. Could I achieve a temperature inside the chamber of 900 degrees F?

[@garlandthompson5970]

This might seem like a silly question from a novice in all of these endevours, but how would one go about making a cob bench hollow? Wouldn't the weight of the top collapse while it was wet, or would it crack? What if a large boned person came over and sat on it, would it break and expel all of that incredible heat? Just a paranoid person, wanting to try this method, but want to be sure that its the most practical...

[@paulwheaton]

Either bridge it with something or let the cob dry before sitting on it.

[@garlandthompson5970]

Has he successfully made a model such as this for himself or for others? If so that would be an amazing video to see 😄 It seems like an extremely cost effective design!

[@johnpatterson6538]

@@garlandthompson5970 kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3ipdKaiqLGNrdE if you haven't already found it

[@immabeunicorn9793]

Just realized that Matt played in Zoolander. Can you please do Blue Steel ? Pleeeeaaase ? Joke aside, awesome idea. Kudos !

[@frankjames1955]

Heat rises.. check

[@paulwheaton]

You might want to watch "fire science" from "Wood Burning Stoves 2.0" - heat does not rise. But warm air (or certain gasses) does rise (in a gravity environment). This is why cob style is still better than pebble style for a mass.

[@mrf5347]

So my imaginary mud bench filled with hot air, and floated off to the lab of AIR CREATE ! These two technologies will be amazing together! Amazing thermal dynamics for the burn chambers that don't crack

[@paulwheaton]

I think air crete would be a poor choice for a bench - it is low in mass and tends to be insulative.

[@luaufeet4368]

Partially cob the chimney to the lower part of the barrel? A two stage rocket? Brilliant! Relax people, you can still use ducting, just raise the outlet, let the gases flow down and reheat the chimney like THE GOOD MAN offered.This post is more than two years old, I'll check Permies for a working model. Aww.... I'm excited but I live in the tropics. Mahalo, thank you, N

[@TheKSProduction]

People should use this for van builds

[@TheChsmith]

My RMH is based on Matts design, it heats like crazy, is easy to light because of the huge draft from the half barrels. But being lazy & bored with cob & how long it takes to cure, I layer 2 inches of pea gravel & cover with 1 inch of cob. It may take me several winters to complete (I figure 10inches of TH) to equal your all cobbys

[@houtslager]

Pictures - otherwise it never existed ;-)

[@julier1080]

“because of the huge draft from the half barrels“ The barrels do not create any draft.

[@TheChsmith]

If I could figure out how to post pictures or videos I would. Alz I know is when I first tried to light a fire, I used newspaper but I didn't have enough of a cage of kindling covering the burn chamber, so the paper would suck into riser, so now I just use "hairy/stringy bark" from a poplar tree. Lights very easy. The half barrels create a greater draft/exhaust than 8" stove pipe

[@karldepauw8924]

no problem when you can pace the pipes

[@1moreuser]

Thank you so much for this! I've been searching all over on how to run the ducting for "bell" systems and it just happened to show up in one of the channels I already subscribe to. I wasn't sure if this setup would draft properly...it worked in my head, but often times real world applications differ from my ideal plans. I've had a plan similar to this in place for quite a while, but was afraid to implement it for fear of draft issues. I thought it might decrease the "rocket" factor....has that been an issue for you folks? Or does it burn rocketier than ever this way? It looks like this opens up a whole new world in terms of heat storage. Thanks again for sharing.

[@1moreuser]

Are the diameter specs for the remaining ducting the same? From the DAYS of RMH videos I've watched...I've seen folks come to the general consensus that you never want to use less than 6" for any of your ducting. Wondering if that is the same with this new setup. It seems like it might be more forgiving.

[@paulwheaton]

You can go bigger, but not smaller.

[@jeancampbell4341]

Great

[@patkonelectric]

Yes you got all that science but matt has better hair then you. :)

[@paulwheaton]

Yeah, my hair is thinning a bit ...

[@jeremiahshine]

Patrick Konshak Scientists must pass a lot of traffic through their heads they investigate.

[@jeremiahshine]

iwhile they investigate...or pretent.

[@salimufari]

I will clarify with 2 words.. Fluid Dynamics. Liking the basically oversized bell chamber.

[@paulwheaton]

thanks to my patreon peeps for getting my youtube engine running again patreon.com/pwvids

[@chimp_monke123]

i would like to do something as simple as running stove pipe under a wooden floor through a sub floor crawl space and basically have insulated siding with a non insulated floor to make the heat rise into an insulated house.

[@josephdupont]

I thought the point was to have it flow out of the home near ground level.

[@harrymills2770]

If it's easier to build a chamber than to bury stovepipe in cobb, then it'll totally work. Heating the chimney might help its performance, but I'd like to think that I didn't do twice the work to carry heat to the same amount of lineal feet of structure. I can see doing it all up in brick. Stovepipe in cobb might be more forgiving and more do-over-able. I just see no shame in a hand-cranked or even an electric "primer" blower to get these things going. Put a good tall chimney on it at the end, to start, and it should draw just fine once it's going. It's getting it going that I'd be worried about, before I put one in.

[@nojnoj3069]

Thank you, but no need. I understood everything Matt said.

[@kokopelli314]

That's exactly how I explain thermal losses to my customers.

[@RogerKeulen]

And if your gasses are 1000C, you can image this as a large powerfull firetruck that shoots gallons of water a second. Filling op your pool in seconds. Conclusion: Thin pipe or enourmous amount of volume.

[@kiddfamilyfarmllc9962]

This dude is Steve McQueen cool

[@fred-san]

cool meme moi j'ai compris avec ton schéma Sankyü.

[@brianlynncameron3657]

The concept works, it's up to the individual to figure out the best material's for keeping the gasses in check for longevity & safety. I love people that think and know how to use they're heads. The naysayers can take a hike.

[@NaturallyEmpowered]

I have to say that, I would like more science around this stratification. If you use water as an example it will always choose the path of least resistance. I and other stove builders I have talked to in Scandinavia make stoves around this principle. Since the hot gases choose the easiest path to the exit ( since that is where the draw is the strongest) we must manipulate the gas to take a longer route extracting more heat through friction.

[@3DCGdesign]

Agreed, it's not obvious to me that a lot of heat would not be lost by just going out the nearby exit and not being forced to travel to the cold end of the bench before being allowed to leave.

[@AnaMartinez-iw6rp]

Hello, I must want to see, the end of proyect, Paul. It see intrestand, it can to be other form of Rocket mass hether. I hope you understand my bad inglish. I hope you request my. Thank you Paul. Anna

[@deanthornby2026]

So ....what happened with this design ? ... I've not seen anything else about it ✌️❤️

[@SusanStoneSalas]

Interesting! I like simple, and cheaper!

[@hillybeaner9689]

The system would have to be sealed well or the cooler gases escape and everyone dies.

[@paulwheaton]

funny thing - we already made a video about that very point: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3LFZGxoZ613b7c

[@VeganRashad]

Shorter oil barrel equals hotter bench.

[@kylejones2075]

If anyone has any ideas email or text me.

[@Jkirk3279]

It’s called a “smoke bell”.

[@andrewyek]

animation is understood-able, but the side of bench nearest to the heat output from the rocket stove will be stinky hot to be sit on, as compare to the further side of the bench. isn't it. unless u got a thick wall above. and less very much less mass in it as compare to the flue type of bench , hence maybe the heat won't last till morning. any number comparison ? :=) anyway, good work, that's how chinese in the older day did it to their sleeping bed.. just simply flue under the bed.. made very tight, so won't be poison by carbon monoxide during sleep.

[@paulwheaton]

Stinky? We have tested this. The heat spreads out really well and really evenly - provided that the stratification chamber is level. Less mass is, indeed, less mass. I think you are mentioning the kang bed stove - which, I thought, came from korea.

[@andrewyek]

i don't know abt korea, i do know my wife who is from china told me about it.. basically just channel underneath a mass.. not like with cob, but cement blocks and cement plate. maybe also fr korea, i don't know. korean, japan, china.. have reason to believe those ppl came from same place originally. lol it will be good if able to somehow put big cylinder tank of water under it to absorb the heat. paul, i was over a week in UK at the beginning of this year.. on a farm where we stay in container house (which is poorly insulated).. at night of freezing weather, i put a plastic warm bag with almost boiling water in my sleeping bag (2 layers of sleeping bags) and sleep in it.. it is wonderful, so warm and cosy .. a lot better than warm out the whole container.. and believe it or not, every morning i woke up with the rubber warm bag still warm to the touch.. still comfortable. i just bury the bag in the 2 layer of sleeping bag... and until evening, the bag is still warmer than the air temperature in the container.. which to me is still cold.. you know when in proper insulation, it retain warm for that long.. should be good for heat storage.. just that in this case it is metal container (which radiant the heat a lot faster) and we can use the warm water as well.. any idea , Paul ?

[@paulwheaton]

like hot water bottles?

[@andrewyek]

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[@sunflower659]

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