Pokimane vs Jidion Harassment, DisguisedToast DMCA Hoax, Twitch Hate Ludwig - Twitch Drama/News

[@oldaccount7463]

Imagine donating to any of these people lmao

[@jquikshot]

like anyone on Twitch?

[@viswajithsaravanan4419]

I Am imagining that,in my imagination also I don't have the money to give 😭😭🤣🤣🤣

[@13marcusv]

Yeah I don’t know where people get this money to give to multiple steamers lol

[@MrJonboy]

you realise that if no one donated to them then your "free" content would be gone?

[@shadoom]

@@MrJonboy wow... What a loss to the world

[@BUMWRECK3R]

I can't understand why people are mad that poki had a bf. She literally doesn't over sexualize herself. Or lead on anything like a fan has a chance to be with her.

[@Nasty_J]

Because twitch viewers are just a bunch of cockroaches that rather watch some streamer for hours instead of bettering themselves in the real world. Yes, everyone can better themselves no matter what position you are in right now.

[@shawninhell1611]

@@Nasty_J THIS NIGGA IS SPITTIN FACTS

[@CAPSLOCKING]

Plenty of dudes see hiding the fact you have a boyfriend as 'leading them on.' Combine that with the people on twitch who see any girl as only successful because she's cute, and you get people thinking that all these women are preying on men by leading them on for donations. They imagine in their heads that Pokimane is doing something wrong here. This despite the fact she almost certainly makes like all her money from sponsors now. Then just add that a lot of twitch are trolls that are going to hate on any given thing if they think it'll make the streamer angry.

[@Nasty_J]

@@CAPSLOCKING Their beauty is a major factor in their success there is no denying that. POKI has the personality of a scarecrow its just kinda there not doing anything. She got famous over the 'poki thicc' meme of her ass. Not hating on her hustle, but let's be real here their is no content without the drama like most of these react streamers today. If you can prove their is an "ugly" girl with thousands of viewers and subs by what social standards and most people would consider ugly I would be go to try my luck at winning the lotto today.

[@CAPSLOCKING]

@@Nasty_J The vast majority of dude streamers are in the same boat. Most of them are fairly attractive dudes with little to no personality making only moderately interesting content. But that's not relevant. It literally doesn't matter at all to what I'm saying. In content creation, being attractive is an obvious advantage. But most people don't care about it unless it's a girl - because twitch viewers think women are taking advantage of them. You know, despite like... the obnoxious amount of pretty eboys with MASSIVE female followings that have blown up through tiktok, etc. these days. The shit's never thrown at them, because there *is* a hint of underlying sexism there whether you want to confront it or not. The point is - who CARES if someone gets because they're attractive or not? It shouldn't matter.

[@Greenberet.]

Just wait until the first real law suit appears and just watch these react andy's change their tune lightning fast LOL

[@Pkey995]

I wait dude these clowns need to make real content again. Watching the work of others and getting payed to do so is not fair. Im not talking about youtubers who discuss the things they watch Im talking about those streamer rats just watching giggling and giving a damn

[@karlogirotto6395]

Why do you care?

[@Frost059HD]

@@karlogirotto6395 it's pretty obvious why he gives a damn if you read lmao. He's tired of good content creators being lazy and uncreative watching daily dose of internet instead of making actual good content like mizkifs Gameshow or Ludwigs comedy show

[@uchihashisui7440]

@@Pkey995 who exactly are you referring to??

[@Kilitravka]

I never understood the hate react streamers get. If the content creators on KZbin don’t want the streamer to watch it on stream, that’s one thing but otherwise I just don’t get why you care. If anything it’s beneficial to the content creators. I would have never of watched master chef by myself and now I’m invested in the show. I have full playlists of songs that I’ve heard on stream. Idk. Just weird that people are mad at streamers because people watch them.

[@rabceesaint8981]

As a Bisexual guy he played the "LGBT" card and got unbanned trying to justify that you can't offend straight people. If you can offend other sexualities then hetero's aren't excused from that argument. Plain and simple!

[@tim251199]

Dont do to others what you don't want people to do to you

[@blossominq]

because straight ppl arent a minority? did they have a slur made against them? were they oppressed and killed for their sexuality? were they targeted with violent acts of discrimination and harassment? no? theyll live.

[@rebelfriend8817]

Xqc couldn’t probably be more wrong in his response to the tweet. Comparing playing video games on twitch to watching ENTIRE tv shows is just stupid.

[@iheartninja]

He was being way too defensive, because he knows it's the laziest thing you can do as a streamer. Literally not creating anything new.

[@salmonero6472]

@@iheartninja to be fair.. he plays alot of games, but his chat keeps spamming for Masterchef and Anime throughout the day. He's playing his most popular game atm.. has 80k viewers. When he watched HxH, he had 110k viewers.

[@CrayZJayeGaming]

@@salmonero6472 no excuse. It’s illegal and stupid. He’s risking his job because his viewers want him to. So let’s all hop into his chat and ask him to rob a bank irl.

[@salmonero6472]

@@CrayZJayeGaming yeah I'm not saying he should do it, but I understand why he does it. Get a huge boost in viewers, risk a few days suspension, return to even more viewers.. There's so far no downside 🤷‍♂️ Also.. get caught robbing a bank, and you get years of jail. Get hit with a DMCA strike.. Banned for 2 days.

[@CrayZJayeGaming]

@@salmonero6472 it’s more than a ban. If who ever owns the right to what ever show he is watching wants to sue someone they can just sue him and not twitch. That’s what I don’t think ppl are understanding. It’s not just a ban. A ban comes from Twitch, they may have to deal with bigger fish.

[@konplayz]

imagine if someone said “i am going to beat all the homosexuals”, imagine the outrage that would create

[@TheMajorStranger]

Yeah, plus his line of though is "People are hateful toward me, so let's be hateful toward them". This Eye for eye mentality is exactly why we never progress. You can't beat hate with more hate.

[@jetcode504]

they are just hypocrites

[@spottydrawss]

Dude was asking for it couldn’t be me

[@SS501Fan101]

That's why they temp banned him, if anyone says "imagine if it was this group of people" to anything then that deserves the same punishment otherwise

[@marcellolucas7160]

Right I was like "it's clearly a threat based off any kind of orientation" they should have kept his ban MARGINALIZED group or not

[@urbonaslt1]

These streamers aren't risking their livelyhood with the dmca thing going on, they're already set for life with the money they own

[@Repentandbelievethegospel460]

all the reason you shouldnt be spending your money on big streamers

[@willerik]

not if they get sued lmao

[@shai310]

True, they don't care this shit can screw over even smaller content creators. I can see it becoming a much bigger issue of even when you just react to a clip from the show it'll get you a dmca strike which sucks since that shit really fucked over content creators on YT.

[@lordtomosdecree]

@@Repentandbelievethegospel460 Ain't that the truth

[@DrowsyYo]

Some of these streamers are definitely not set for life though lol Some have investments and other businesses but most don't and i'm sure they are living above their means too. They are just straight up dumb, they think it's okay because everyone was doing it. You can't really even harass the bigger streamers for it all because A LOT of smaller streamers were also watching shows/anime on stream as well.

[@JoeyBonzo]

Most of these streamers don't remember just how devastating DMCA's can be. It's the reason why youtube's monetization system has gotten worse and worse. It'll do the same thing to Twitch.

[@MrHardTruck]

Ye crazy

[@Valkorai1080p]

Absolutely justified if a hetro streamer said I'm off to go defeat more gays there would be all kinds of hell to pay, 1 rule for 1 and 1 rule for another...

[@KindredDoomBot]

Absolutely agree. I got a thirty day on my stream for saying "Thats gay" while playing a game once. I did not even type it in any chats for people to read either. Something happened in game, I said "thats gay" because it looked like what hit me in game should not have and then I got thirty days from Twitch for hate speech. I just took the high road and sat tight for thirty days then streamed when it was over. I guess I should have cried on Twitter while using a bunch of hot topic words huh¿ Coulda got back to playing much sooner that way it seems.

[@s90417aj]

@@KindredDoomBot that's also an unjustified ban tbh, that's not anything hateful and just a thing people say. If it happens again i'd say contest it because that's not harming anyone.

[@KindredDoomBot]

@@s90417aj Will do. I just was not really feeling like speaking against it because it is exhausting. Being a small streamer that does not live on Twitter means they probably will not get back to me until sometime anyway.

[@Boredness90]

@@KindredDoomBot but why is it gay? what does you getting hit somehow correlates to being gay? you could’ve just said “that’s bullshit” LOL brain dead i swear

[@KindredDoomBot]

@@Boredness90 Well I do not see anyone making a big deal when people who are actually gay say it so why can I not just it the same way¿ People who are gay actually use it more so that way than I see people who are not, so what is the problem¿ LMAO brain washed I swear.

[@kortaffel]

The AngelsBePlayin ban is okay imho. You can't talk like that about blacks or lgbt. Why should he get special treatment, just because he is insulting heteros....

[@carronline1]

then the fact he went on to say about twitch defending straight people, imagine if it was someone saying that about lgbt and if twitch didnt defend them

[@Garoslol]

double standard andy, deserved ban

[@NormalCardBoardBoxes]

@@carronline1 Yeah what happened if someone in AngelsBePlayin’s stream instead said something about the LGBT and got banned like….are they going to say “Oh Twitch is defending the LGBT community so they banned me.”

[@DragonMasters525]

Bro so true i so agree with you she def deserves the ban i hate whiney streamers

[@MrNorker77]

Exactly! If you are against hate speech you have to be against all hate speech. He doesn't really show that he is against hate speech if he is okay with some hate pseech.

[@zomboidthezombie]

poki should have replied at the end with "L + ratio" everything would have come full circle

[@toplock9842]

Its bigger than black and white

[@leotheking1000]

@@toplock9842 it's also asian.

[@bocaj8272]

fr it's the internet.. like what do these streamers expect?

[@DvApps]

@@bocaj8272 she loves being a victim

[@moonlightblue9196]

@@DvApps she got harassed and raided without consent, how is she not a victim. jidion guy deserves that ban

[@tjhall1000]

dang honestly if gordon ramsey started streaming and reacting to his own shows, i would 100% watch that lol. i wanna hear his thoughts of every minute of any of his shows he watches lol

[@aidanleahy4999]

"You used that angle!?!?!? You fuckin Duuunnnnkkkkaaaaaayyy!!"

[@CrayZJayeGaming]

Difference is he can argue it’s his own content.

[@tim251199]

Or gordon ramsey reacting to streamers reacting to his shows

[@krisavi]

@@CrayZJayeGaming But is it? Isn't the show property of the network producing it? He just has main role in it. I guess he knows that quite well and if he would be there endorsing or streaming himself, it could leave the network in a tough spot with possible DMCA-s.

[@goblingoochgobbler5759]

@@krisavi i’m guessing it’s a situation similar to a music artist having their masters, if gordon somehow negotiated it in the contract it’s possible he could technically own or co own the rights to his shows

[@mufasaiam7794]

Twitch streamers always cry when they see an indefinite ban when usually it's just a 3 day ban

[@carronline1]

the ban was fair too, like he said about destroying straight people, imagine if someone said the same thing about gay people

[@frequentsee3815]

@@carronline1 I agree. That would be a terrible thing to say.. you should never promote violence against the lessers

[@vangle3106]

@@frequentsee3815 based

[@Jester121680]

Angel should still be banned. Sick of the double standard.

[@azimby2844]

thanks for doing this, I really appreciate that you keep segments brief and separate the timeline into topic-specific sections so it's easier to navigate

[@zampoukos1]

It's really nice, i wish he wasn't such a big fan of xQc tho..and calling DisgusedToast a reaction streamer? YIKES!

[@carronline1]

so that angel guy is saying "destroy all hetero" as a joke and all that which i get, but the fact that if it was another streamer who said "destroy all homos" i doubt it would be taken as a joke in the same way then plays it being them defending straight peoiple, like dude you have a problem with straight people?

[@worthless_punk]

Oh yeah who's gonna save straight people

[@Spanner1971B]

Remember, marginalized groups need protecting. I don't think it's wise you should be suggesting they need/want equal treatment.

[@rubbun]

​@@Spanner1971B The only way for marginalized groups to stop being marginalized is to be treated the same as everyone else. Not defending harassment. Nobody should get harassed and that's it.

[@GLUFSAREN]

@@rubbun As long as they tread themselves as different they will stay different. They create all the labes and the letter combinations for themselves and try to force it down everyone elses throats and when peopel push back they are racist homophobic and every other -phobic you can think off. It's just a non issue at this point. It's an issue of their own creation

[@Nightknight1992]

he said ''destroy more ...'', not all, theres no way that can be misconstrued into something negative either way

[@Dashshund]

“High road Andy” What respect I had for XQC is gone. Who ostracizes someone for doing what they are supposed to and follows the rules?? That seems pretty shitty to me regardless of the points about DMCA he made. If Bahroo is following all of the rules and guidelines set to him by twitch, then he has every right to be upset.

[@jquikshot]

What he said makes sense to some degree. Pretty much everything on twitch could get DMCA takedowns. Game creators could DMCA strike their games being played on stream because they are copywrited and people would have to make some other type of content. It's unlikely but that's his point. He's saying everyone is skirting the line but he is being obtuse because he's obviously pushing it to the extreme.

[@CrayZJayeGaming]

@@jquikshot ppl can’t be this dense…. Ok so when you WATCH someone play a game you’re not getting the full experience of the game. To do that you would have to play. When you watch someone stream a show you are getting the file experience of the content. There is literally nothing else to pay for. With games you watch the gameplay and go “ok this game looks like fun let me get it and play it” with shows is “well that was a great show. No need to pay to watch it anymore”

[@Wuh1988]

@@jquikshot His point is stupid, the site was created upon the foundation of that type of content. No business worth their salt is gonna dmca creators getting their product out there enticing people to go and purchase them. It's literally free advertisement in a place that houses their core customers. The music and tv are different as they all have their own avenues of getting customers and expected pay for the content they make. For smaller gaming companies, having a group of big streamers playing your indie style games can literally make you in terms of sales from the publicity. Like comparing apples to boulders. I get X thinks he's smart, but he's really not. His style of entertainment has an expiration date as I seriously doubt he can do this job straight. Most of his publicity comes from all the negative shit he does.

[@Dashshund]

@@jquikshot Oh i agree completely. He makes valid points, but to demean someone else for doing what they "are supposed to do" is absurd.

[@jquikshot]

@@CrayZJayeGaming You are a bit off with saying you can't get the full experience from watching someone play a game. You are generalizing too broadly. For example, I watched someone play through Bioshock Infinite and felt no desire or need to ever play the game but still really enjoyed watching it. I would argue I still got the full experience so that invalidates your point completely with my one example. Im also not saying it's likely game creators will DMCA streamers, but they for sure can even if it's not in their best interest.

[@CrimTheGhoul]

if anyone says that L + ratio isn't harassment you don't understand the term. L stands for loser and ratio stands for unliked or unpopular (in social media terms) so what jidion did is harassment and a deserved ban.

[@kanedelaney7645]

Ah yes, harassment clearly the perfect word to use… don’t just throw around terms when u don’t understand the actual meaning.

[@AlterRaigo]

Grandfathered streamers don't really give a rat's ass. They do not have to go through the same hurdles of growth smaller and new streamers have to. To them, everything outside their little bubbles is not an issue.

[@TheTrueCornelius]

So that one guy basically just cried "IM MARGINALIZED" and got unbanned after attacking another group of people? Smdh

[@Demonsouls1993]

I don't care how it's said you attack anybody for the color of their skin or what they are (gay straight ect) you should be pema banned hate creates more hate

[@Duffer_D]

yeah justified. harrassment is harrassment.

[@Truppe4]

Hate against heterosexuals is still hate. This should be a learning moment for her/him. I mean I get it, Twitch did not enough to fight hate against ceratain groups, but hating anyone sucks, no matter what he or she likes to f. Just stop spreading the shit you wanna be stopped against you.

[@alcibiades4579]

They forgot the golden rule of Twitch, don't talk bad about poki. Because you'll be gone in record time. It's not like she had sent hate mobs to people before. Definitely not.

[@Wuh1988]

Doesn't matter, just because someone else got away with it, doesn't mean it's alright to ever do. Be the bigger person and just don't do it, seems simple enough for a level headed person. I don't think I've ever watched her content or the guy who got banned. But it seems like a smart person would know better than to do shit like that on a top income earner for twitch. They will always protect their investments, unless it's a risk to their brand. My favorite streamers all went to facebook so I've been out of the loop on the website for some time. Seems like I missed very little with all the tv watching, I can do that in my living room.

[@thecouncil1015]

@@Wuh1988 it’s double standers. And then she has the audacity to play the gender card when she is on top of twitch beverage she’s a women. She got away with that sht because she’s a women

[@Jarhead986]

Xqc's intelligence falls lower that a rock every single day more and more.

[@huelueblue]

The fact that Angel was unbanned and Twitch apologized is appalling. Imagine if the tables were turned and a straight streamer said he/she was gonna go destroy some gays. They would be hung by the community and probably banned for 1-2 weeks. These double standards are very troubling.

[@Nightknight1992]

i like how people complain about cancel culture but then when its somebody else saying something dumb he should be canceled. what does destroy some heterosexuals even mean other than in a game...

[@GLUFSAREN]

@@Nightknight1992 you still can't bring sexuality in to it, it's agaisnt twitchs tos

[@Nightknight1992]

@@GLUFSAREN you can absolutely refer to others as their sexuality, just not as insult.

[@aerios6103]

People are always so quick to point out a double standard but will ignore the fact that the dynamic clearly isn’t the same. Nobody gets harassed for being straight on twitch so to bring up some other theoretical reverse of the situation means nothing. And acting like you’re actually concerned about it is the cherry on top.

[@manog2105]

@@aerios6103 this.

[@MrLinkymaster]

Angelsbeplaying ban was completely justified because I can guarantee that if a straight streamers was to say the exact same sentence and just switch heterosexual with homosexual the backlash would have been astronomical

[@kevinprince1674]

He pulled the "im in the minority and this isn't being inclusive"card. So he whined about what he deserves and feels entitled as a bipoc that destroying heterosexuals is ok. But yeah, 100% justified.

[@Moogafooga]

This was an insanely informative episode

[@udednow]

Hi Tom from Streamers Reloaded

[@StreamersReloaded]

hi

[@TheOo0oO]

You shouldn't be able to flame anyone based on their sexual preference gay or not, stop using the "I'm gay so I can talk shit to straight people". If the roles were reversed the streamer saying "I'm going to go destroy these homosexuals" would be permanently ban and the whole community wouldn't bat an eye.

[@blindamalgam7125]

with the whole “I’m going to destroy heterosexuals” switch heterosexuals with homosexuals and you DEFINITELY have a ban. hate speech is hate speech whether it is against a “marginalized” group or not. did it deserve a permanent ban? no. but I do think SOME kind of action should’ve been taken. equality is key.

[@alexzander2211]

marginalized people dont swing around with that banner, if they are marginalized. especially not when they use same hateful rhetoric, that they claim others do towards them. if anything, we should have a look into the rise of heterophobia, and how this maybe should be taken a little more serious. so much for fighting for diversity. they fight for segregation, is what they do.

[@v3listube]

I have no idea why streamers would think it's ok to stream entire episodes of TV shows. A small portion to then talk about or provide context to a discussion, yeah that's transformative but just watching something with chat is crazy. It's also shit content, who wants to watch a show with a streamer talking over it? Just watch the actual show. Also, getting mad about a streamer not talking about their partner on stream or their public socials is the most virgin shit ever.

[@jquikshot]

You're obviously wrong about who wants to watch a show with a streamer talking over it because of how many people watch them do it. I agree it's shit content but if someone likes the streamer, it's probably like watching a show with a friend. To each their own. Probably not worth if you don't like the streamer but want to watch the show lol. so it's easy for you to say that if streamers you don't like are watching shows. Totally agree about the poki comment. who tf cares if she has a bf or not. It's not relevant to her stream at all.

[@v3listube]

@@jquikshot I didn't say no one wants to watch a show with a streamer, it was more of a "why would you want to" rhetorical question. Not you or I haha ;) But I guess I understand people feel like they're watching it with a friend. Like you said, to each their own.

[@jquikshot]

@@v3listube ah i gotcha now, i see what you meant

[@CrayZJayeGaming]

I watch react content all the time on KZbin. The difference is on YT most content creators do something like only show maybe a few amount of minutes of the show and cut stuff out. And then afterwards have a conversation about it. On twitch from what I’ve noticed is they are showing the whole episode/ movie and then not really adding to it afterwards. Not a good look for twitch. Yeah that Poki thing is weird af. Why do you care if she talks about her man or not on social media. Sounds like he’s just salty she has a man and it’s not him 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@LancerX916]

Since these streamers have no idea what Copywrite laws are, I am sure they would be cool with me streaming replays of their streams and reacting to them. I am sure Pokimane wouldn't mind right?

[@Karuzen]

hope 100s of small streamers start doing this. watch all vods and react to them xD

[@christop3]

Angel going off about straight people being defended is ridiculous. Non-LGB people on twitch have been attacked for years, its nice to see them actually take a stance that fits both narratives over one. Though his narrative is complete dog. It doesn't suit you so now you're gonna play the huge card that everyone plays that sometimes stuff slides through so you deserve special treatment because of it. No you dont, you should be held to the same responsible level as a person making any other remarks. If its bad to say things against one, in all fairness in the world, its bad to say things against the other. Simple as that. I hate that people see behavior and then mock said behavior in an opposite way and expect different results. Thats not being better, thats being petty. As every talking point says, "if you can flip a single word in the context of an insult or generalization and it becomes really bad, then its not something that you should consider saying" Hopefully they learn from it but seeing how they responded, i doubt it. Just instant victim card, to get their way, its sad.

[@danieljung4329]

Jidion on a different level of down bad if he cares that an internet girl that he doesn’t even talk to has a boyfriend

[@kingkha9363]

He's a big joke Dont take a single thing seriously

[@KTiny]

Jidion is a known troll

[@KlawMan27]

@@KTiny It seems like he's just plain stupid. He's the only one affected by his own "trolling"

[@shai310]

Yeah it's pathetic, she said nigga like more than two years ago and who the fuck cares if she has a bf or not? If she has one it's her right not to reveal it, not everything needs to be on the internet. It's honestly so pathetic.

[@jr5296]

@@KlawMan27 Nah. This is free promo. He will be back in 2 weeks with more viewers

[@kwwball]

Hetero-phobia should be just as bannable homo-phobia or any other discriminatory language. Twitch just needs to make sure it's done evenly.

[@AgxntAqua]

It's hilarious watching the woke streamers get censored after years of biased enforcement. Suddenly "theyre private businesses and they can do what they want' doesn't seem like such a good argument huh? Lmfao

[@JvP519]

If the guy says something like that against straight people then he should be punished just like if someone said that about his community. Same rule for both sides.

[@CrayZJayeGaming]

I agree. The ban was justified. Problem is Twitch has a weird issue handing out punishment equally across their platform

[@Georgeilocks]

@Jéster little bit more than a "preference or lifestyle" buddy, and last I checked there is no discrimination against straight people, especially akin to the discrimination LGBTQ+ peeple have been facing... like ever

[@Georgeilocks]

The difference is straight people aren't oppressed for their sexuality and twitch dosen't seem to have the same response to the mass hate recives against LGBT+ streamers even when entire events of twitch are made to protest their inaction verses this particular incident which considering this was a clear joke with very tame langauge he wasn't exactly proclaming the death of someone. TLDR; Context matters (you know the history we live in), it was a tame joke langauge wise also, we've seen worse from other creators that have not recived a permanent ban, twicth should review the level of which they ban their creators as it seems to be quite imbalenced depending on where you are in the community.

[@shadoom]

@@Georgeilocks the homosexual just discriminated the heterosexuals... Do you not get it?

[@CrayZJayeGaming]

@@Georgeilocks if someone made the same joke against LGBT+ community that community would want them banned no? Regardless it was a bad joke that can be taken out of context. Just like a bad joke aimed towards homosexuals can be taken out of context. If they ban him they have to ban everyone making these type of jokes about any group of ppl. If they let this slide then the next person who makes a joke at the expense of the LGBT+ community shouldn’t be banned either. I say they should have stuck to their guns and kept him banned and then from here on out be consistent with their bans. But twitch is never consistent with their punishments

[@iseeyounoobs]

Imagine removing the streamer with the most subs ever from a recap lol.

[@Karuzen]

we don't have to imagine that tho

[@Geneticlyinsane1]

The whole Poki DMCA stuff really pissed me off being thats she's part of a management company or whatever is , either way she's an "influencer" but the whole JiDion thing wtf, has this guy got some weird obsession with her or something ?

[@isaiah700k]

Bruh Pokimame chat is an L fr

[@CrayZJayeGaming]

Yeah idk that was weird as fuck not gonna lie

[@aytek98]

Imagine saying you want to kill -insert any type,race,color etc. of people" and be unbanned later on and blaming other people as they called them F word too. How come this person is still on platform ??

[@mighty2584]

I just dont understand the part where jidian cares whether pokimane has a bf or not and he has to know everything. Jidian probably pokimanes fan boy and that he can't get her to be his

[@zerucos]

About the Toast DMCA. Yes, he asked lily to strike him, but she never did. She said this in a tweet; "toast asked me to dmca strike him but decided he wanted the strike to be real, I didn't strike him, yesterday he told everyone the initial plans anyway, and today I am clarifying that I never striked him thank u please keep listening to my music"

[@Bookofwords]

That angel thing... its kinda a double standard... If anyone said "going to destroy some homosexuals" they'd likely get the same ban and would not have it ever lifted... sure, its kinda petty since its not exactly offensive either way but no real actual need to bring sexuality into it regardless. These corps have to drop the double standard, it cannot be one rule for one group, another set of rules for the other, even outside of the angel thing, if a small streamer did what say, pokimane did, would've been probably an insta ban, never to be lifted, she gets a nice little weekend off... enforce the rules as equal as you would with everyone else or drop them entirely.

[@PaRappa_the_Rapper]

it's not a double standard because the situations aren't 1 to 1. Straight people don't have a history of oppression, if "going to destroy straight ppl" was said seriously it would be banned and rightfully so, but because there's the lack of historical oppression in addition to it being a joke it shouldn't have been banned

[@Jester121680]

@@PaRappa_the_Rapper They don't need to be 1 to 1 as the population isn't 1 to 1 and it's a very poor argument to make. You're using a minority shield to excuse hate speech. LGBT people are not oppressed and have not been in the last decade. The victimhood mentality that you keep spouting is why LGBT are getting push back, but you are no where close to oppressed. Also, straight people have been victims of oppression. Just not for their sexuality. See? I can make stupid bad faith arguments too.

[@PaRappa_the_Rapper]

@@Jester121680 you're just fundamentally wrong in so much of what you're saying. LGBT people are 100% still oppressed in today's society and even if they weren't, if you can't understand that certain words hold more meaning than others based on their historical background, you're a lost cause. You're not intelligent enough to be having this conversation so I'm not gonna engage further

[@Bookofwords]

@@PaRappa_the_Rapper and if you don't understand that years of using those words, years of being treated that way can easily be repeated to another group of people then you're in no fit state to comment. because that is exactly what you're dismissing using the "historical oppression" argument... cracker is a slur, but its not regarded as bad as the N word, if they keep up the "die cracker" and "i support cracker genocide" that's trending on twitter and spray painted during the BLM riots, it'll soon be the same level. look at the level of misandry against men these days, how long until the table is turned and it is men needing to fight? not long from what I can see. the bottom line is, history is not magically there, it is created, and history repeats itself. the double standards are already there across many subjects. and using the "not intelligent enough" fallacy when someone's actually given you an actual reply speaks volumes. You didn't comment here to debate, you came here to claim you're right and everyone else is wrong. Bit of a superiority complex.

[@PaRappa_the_Rapper]

@@Bookofwords again you just have a fundamental misunderstanding of where society is at. I came to debate, but as I said your fundamental beliefs are too far removed from reality. The situations you're afraid of are nowhere near existing. Obviously the vast majority of people, even the vast majority of people who support LGBT, are not in favor of serious oppression of straight people/men/etc. etc. it's a very small minority who seriously hate and oppress men or white or straight people. The reason why A. it's okay to say jokes about straight people as the original person did and B. there isn't as much uproar about the genuine hateful comments about men or white straight people is because the pendulum has been and still is swung so far in the opposite directions of their beliefs, which means the effects of the genuine hate is going to be much less than if a comment about gay people/POC/women were to be made, and the effect of the very light joke made at the expense of the very non-oppressed straight people is non-existent

[@xxfloppypillowxx]

Wow DisguisedToast and LilyPichu are really dumb. A DMCA claim is not just this random tool that people can abuse as much as people claim it to be. In order to file a DMCA claim you must submit with it a sworn affidavit that affirms that you are, or are an agent of, the exclusive copyright ownership of infringed materials. To falsely make this claim is felonious perjury with in the United States and Canada. I doubt anything will come of it in this case but is scaring people into not infringing on someone else's copyright worth you risking a 5-14 year sentence?

[@KingK65736]

Doesnt she have copyrighted songs that people listen too? i assume that what they did which would make it technically legit.

[@GLUFSAREN]

she did own what she filed a dmca for. it still a fraudulent claim though. So it was stupid non the less.

[@iDeLaYeD_o]

Considering they did it and then Hasan did it which got xQc to delete his VODs it means it's not that hard to submit a DMCA on twitch. We've seen it happen on YT and Twitch many times and the person submitting has no consequence when the DMCA is found to be false, plus when it's removed as a "mistake" like on Hasan's then it doesn't break any law.

[@xxfloppypillowxx]

@@iDeLaYeD_o just because people aren't prosecuted doesn't mean it doesn't break the law. If you were to try to fight your case if "mistakenly" filing a wrongful DMCA there is next to no chance you are going to win that. You need to fill at minimum 12 fields in the report as they are required, as well as provide at least one URL of infringing content, and check 3 boxes all which are affirming that you are justified in your following with one of them reading "UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY, I am authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed. I acknowledge under section 512(f) of the DMCA that any person who knowingly and materially misrepresents that the material or activity is infringing may be subject to liability for damages." There are some defenses that you could attempt to make but "whoopsie doodle I made a mistake" is not one that you're going to win.

[@jozokrstanovic9040]

There is a difference between a DMCA claim on twitch and an actual DMCA claim in the court I believe. It's like implemented as to avoid unnecesary lawsuits and deal with the problem before it hits the court. It would make no sense if every DMCA claim went to court to be proven? Am I wrong on this?

[@soarinvelo4702]

Love the deflection and self righteous attitude

[@Duffer_D]

why does pokimane having a boyfriend have litterally anything to do with how he acted in her stream?? like??

[@theturtle8869]

They have this obsessive crush over her and the thought of poki dating anyone but themselvesdo drives them insane

[@Duffer_D]

@@theturtle8869 wack, those dudes need a hobby fr

[@BlizzardArchonofBoops]

Should Jidou's action warrant a temp ban..sure..should he get one.. no why? because Pokimane didnt get any ban for sending her viewers after ItsAGundam and getting his entire Twitch video backlog removed. She cost him a sponsorship too

[@sevilnatas]

Seems like a JiDion self report that he is a virgin. If he has a problem with a streamer streaming but also having sex with someone, disclosed or not, then I must assume he would never have sex with anyone himself. I'd just like to send out to JiDion that it is OK being a virgin, we all mature and experience life at our own pace. You should feel comfortable to remain a virgin until you feel it is the right time for you. Don't let others pressure you into something you are not ready for. You do you, bro!

[@Silver_Specter]

angel disserved the ban lesson learned if you want your own way accuse someone of being homophobic or racist

[@PaRappa_the_Rapper]

how did he deserve it?

[@Silver_Specter]

@@PaRappa_the_Rapper because he is straight phobic z if I said what he said but talking about a gay person instead I'd be on a hit list

[@jamiebollans8121]

@@Silver_Specter How is he hetrophobic because he said something as a joke? You're quick enough to defend a hetro streamer who makes a comment about the LGBT community and they say that they were 'joking" when they get called out about it. Think about the context next time (And so that there's no confusion, I'm a straight male, I just try to see people the way they are through their personality, their sexuality doesn't even come into it as far as I'm concerned.)

[@PaRappa_the_Rapper]

@@Silver_Specter those situations aren't the same. straight people and gay people have very very different histories. you cannot swap the 2 interchangeably when using insults

[@Silver_Specter]

@@PaRappa_the_Rapper i dont care just becuse he takes it up the back end doesnt give him anymore rights than a normal person

[@coolboy9979]

The Jidion guy is probably one of the saddest people I saw on twitch

[@thisisfakegucci]

Aww boo hoo

[@thecouncil1015]

And you are right there with him. He’s a troll that’s what he dose. Not saying he don’t serve the ban but he’s a troll. So stfu and go donate some more money to your queen

[@Yakoaxxi]

@@thecouncil1015 incel mad

[@eaggi]

Does that Adin fella not know how to complete an entire sentence?

[@BlazeTBC]

the sooner pokimane retires the better

[@PauloLz]

Just imagine what would happen if a streamer who happens to be straight, jokingly said something along the lines of "Now that i won, i'll take my leave and destroy more homosexuals!"... Double standards are troublesome.

[@MONKEYDZETS]

Tell me about your it!

[@skinnypeanut6917]

Was just thinking the same thing!

[@bgbong0]

Thanks for speaking up for all the oppressed straight white males, shaking at the thought that someone might hate them.

[@sozo3336]

@@bgbong0 straight up had nothing to do with race and you brought it up.

[@drpepper2519]

@@bgbong0 who said white and male? You created that notion in your head which proves your sexist and have prejudice against white people he only stated "if a streamer happens to be straight" check your privilege lmao.

[@TheDeeZieShow]

As a small streamer myself I really don't get the demand for a better pay split and the $100 payout reduction to $10 - $20. I'd love someone to constructively explain it to me, but here are my thoughts. The pay split at 50% seems quite reasonable to me as twitch feel they're the big dog in the livestreaming market. For that fact alone, It makes business sense that the largest streaming service with the most potential for your channels discoverability would have the lowest payment split. Regardless of what other platforms offer, twitch knows you will stay because while the payout is lower, the potential for growth is higher and twitch is confident they're the superior platform, which imo is true. Now don't get me wrong, sure, I'd love a better payment split, why wouldn't I? What I really don't get is demanding lowering the payout. It says that this will help small streamers financially. $10... really? What a waste of time and resources that would be for twitch, ensuring you get your $10 payout for the month. Frankly, the $100 minimum seems more than reasonable. I guess I'm all for a better payment split if these petitioned demands can force it, I just don't understand why it's a big deal... but the lowered payout is so stupid to me. Neither change will effect me poorly, so do what you will, twitch, but again I'd really love some explanation to help me see what is wanted because it really seems like a mountain out of a molehill type of thing.

[@SimonWakefieldUK]

One of the big reasons for the $100 payout limit is cost.With financial transactions you generally pay a flat fee plus then a percentage of the value of the transaction. Twitch shoulder this cost when they send the money to you plus there is a resource cost ontop of that, if the cost of the transaction is too high a percentage it's not worth them sending it and if they did agree most likely they would have to start deducting the cost from the payout

[@TheDeeZieShow]

@@SimonWakefieldUK So then you agree with me that from a business standpoint it'd be stupid to lower the payout? I appreciate the agreement, but I was looking for someone to explain the petition as to why people are asking for the payout to be lowered, because again, that sounds so stupid to me for various reasons I've listed.

[@JoJoestar]

Jidion giving creepy ex stalker vibes

[@the03k]

For the Pokimane story at the end, he wasn't attacking her for any real reason. He's a known troll and being a shithead is just the kind of content he makes. He's been constantly talking about her on Twitter for like a week now, and during stream raided her with L + ratio because he had more viewers than her.

[@GLUFSAREN]

how does a clown like that even get viewers lol

[@Nightknight1992]

so basicially deserved ban

[@OdynFX]

@@GLUFSAREN answered your own question there, for being a clown lol

[@Garoslol]

Why would a smaller streamer send his viewers to Pokimane? He obvisiously wanted to start drama and farm clout. Twitch chat will always talk shit in other people´s channels. Clout/drama farming backfired, justified ban

[@moses4203]

I thought he had more viewers

[@Garoslol]

@@moses4203 not on twitch, Pokimane has more than twice the amount

[@moses4203]

@@Garoslol that stream he had a good bit more

[@Garoslol]

@@moses4203 I looked up the stats, I dont know which day it happened but he got over 20k viewers on 2 days in january, Pokimane is 15k-35k viewers every stream

[@bryangarcia3665]

@@Garoslol it happened yesterday when she was playing valorant. He went to check out her stream and saw he had more viewers than her.

[@EldritchMom]

What infuriates me about this is these bigger streamers fucking with this DMCA shit have no care for what the repercussions are because the consequences will not matter for them. They already have their millions, they already made it big. Meanwhile the consequences that may fall from this WILL affect smaller streamers like myself if the DMCA shit hits the fan like it has in the past and how is that fair? We suffer because the bigger streamers are jackasses? Thats fucked up.

[@Frost059HD]

Or simply don't be lazy and watch full shows on twitch that people paid millions to create? Make real content lmao it's justified.

[@EldritchMom]

@@Frost059HD See, I do not. The problem is, its not full shows that this is going to result in a ban of. Its all external content. I have never watched copyrighted content on my stream, personally. I have watched other KZbin channels for which I have an agreement with the owners of said channels to feature their content on my stream. Issue is if this shit continues, thats likely to be banned outright as well. All external content aside from games is likely to be banned. Thats a problem because this creates more problems for smaller streamers and content creators. EDIT: and before you say they would not ban that outright, KZbin as a platform has already taken this route. You can get straight up banned for streaming other KZbin channels content regardless of whether you have permission or not. I am a Twitch Affiliate, myself and I would rather NOT have this sort of thing happen to Twitch as well because of a few jackasses.

[@romeunleashed2]

The thing about pokimane why should anyone really care if she has a secert BF or not how does that affect the viewer in anyway possible. Any streamer,celeb,youtuber is allowed to have a private life and doesn't have to share everything.

[@jordanottenbreit3892]

poki a victim...... SHOCKING

[@Brodolf_Gainzdeer]

0:35 shout out to one of the genuinely funniest people on twitch, northerlion.

[@ethanknight8567]

That angel guy deserves the ban 100%

[@Dratini266]

Hell yeah! Let’s destroy the platform we all love using by fucking with copywrite laws! This is a great idea

[@CrayZJayeGaming]

“Nothing has happened so it’s ok” 😂

[@Sinaeb]

Man, twitch support is so much better than discord's support, like, by a freaking lot This is how you deal ( you can't) with discord's support: You go on their website to open a ticket, that ticket opening is useless, you need to reply to the automated mail with the ticket copy pasted, then you will get another automated message, repaste the same thing, then maybe you will get a human, but that human will say "our system is always right, we never log things because it's always right" And they will just keep repeating that, over and over and over again, meanwhile you can just create a discord server and sell content that's poggers and just be fine from discord, as long as you delete it, because then they have no proof! Reminder, discord's system is always wrong, and totally didn,t restrict me for no reasons while I was inviting friends to a server for tournament preparations, totally perfect system, nothing ever wrong. Oh yes adding another thing, they will claim they restricted you for PRIVACY and SECURITY reason, but the only way to get unrestricted is to give up PRIVACY and SECURITY.

[@tiberian22]

Let's be real. It's not like KZbin, the bans on Twitch literally mean nothing. Most of these streamers are on their 10+ offence, and still only receive a 2 day ban or less. This entire situation should be a lot more serious than it is, but it's telling when none of these streamers are actually worried, and even "fake" their dmcas. Twitch will always look the other way, there will never be perma bans.

[@shadoom]

Homosexuals can't be hateful towards heterosexuals!!!11!1!

[@jinkazma]

I pray that Twitch has an Adpocalypse Level event.

[@litt5211]

"Harassment and misogyny" ? Victim card mode activated.

[@sethiest]

I think revenue should be a 50/50 split, but with 50 going to twitch and 50 going to whomever the streamer is watching - like Gordon Ramsey or something.

[@SickPrid3]

Ludwig was constantly shiting on Twitch while on Twitch... what else was he expecting to get in return?

[@char7743]

Tf u talking about and when tf he did that ?? anybody with a fkn brain cell should shit on that dogshit platform and streamers always hating on them nothing new

[@nufi0071]

Take a shot everytime Adin ross says ”like”

[@jbarlak]

Streamers complaining about the service they are used to make money and the pay split What else are they gonna complain about

[@connstant6701]

How is poki getting a 2 day ban and Jidion getting a 14 day ban. Twitch picking favourites fr

[@crypticcorgi8280]

As some one LGBT, I do not think dealing with homophobia justifies or excuses heterophobia. Both make you garbage people. (Not calling the person in the 2nd story, Angel, a garbage person for that.) But I feel the context of his sarcasm should be taken into account here. Seems like a heavy handed punishment. Glad he is unbanned. But also, sarcastic or not, what he said was not exact what I call cool. So it kind of rubs me wrong way that he acts like this unban is a moment of protecting marginalized people. You made a joke about genocide of straight people. You are not a martyr for gays everywhere, you are an edgy and self rightous 12 year old in a grown man's body making prejudice jokes. Calm down. I am only taking his side on the principal that the ban was actually ridiculous.

[@alphapt9370]

Exactly. Rules must be same for all. And I'm not glad they got unbanned. They were hateful towards a group of people for their sexual preference. That's not ok. And when the message gets read out aloud and no one bats an eye makes it even less ok. And using the pity card does not excuse them. It's not a "well, I got 10 hate raids, now i'm allowed to be an asshole towards this group for their choices at least once". Not how it works. If twitch statement was a non statement. They just removed their ban. The tweet saying they apologized and whatnot holds zero water. And them bending over backward to appease them only shows that Twitch is a-ok when people decide to be assholes towards groups they feel that should not be "protected". And that's bullshit, in my books. It's the classic invert the parameters and there would be a shitstorm within the second.

[@nicki6355]

The sentence "... take my leave and destroy more heterosexuals" I personally don't feel wronged for. But I can see why it's bad, because just try to replace the end with a different word, yea? Still don't think he should've been banned (because context matters), but I can see how it could look pretty bad.

[@numbased]

0:35 why is lily's profile pic blurred...

[@egghead2048]

yeah making fun of straight people is allowed, making fun of gay people is not allowed. talk about equality.

[@curioSEOty]

on twitch you have to pay taxes too, so it's actually much less than 50%....

[@Garoslol]

twitch pays you 50%, you pay your taxes to the goverment and not twitch

[@iDeLaYeD_o]

@@Garoslol Not his point, he was saying twitch takes their cut then you get taxed by the Gov't while in the vid he says after all the fees and taxes it comes to around 55%. Straight off the bat you have 5% more income after all the fees and taxes while on twitch you have 50% then get taxed. Side note: wanwan timestamp says 22 min ago and yours says 1 hour ago...wtf YT

[@Garoslol]

@@iDeLaYeD_o 70% minus taxes is more than 50% minus taxes obviously it just sounded to me like you need to pay taxes on twitch, maybe bad wording wanwan timestamp was 1 hour ago, your comment 10mins ago, YT might be doing weird stuff again

[@StreamersReloaded]

I dont mean your actual taxes .... Everyone pays taxes. In my case for example, I have 3 members from canada, as far as I understand. That money is converted into usd and then into gbp of which there is a fee to do so. when doing this there is a 20% withholding tax from the US aswell because google/youtube is an american company.

[@Rotter99]

The DanDangler drama feels like a throwback to a more innocent time

[@NickTemperistic]

I can't believe COVID has been censored on KZbin. I can't talk about it but I can say ya put it right there. Nice

[@wowgasp8670]

Dude tried to use the Poki ‘getting clapped by a dude’ response after her saying the n word card didn’t pass lmao WHAT

[@drshepherd6567]

How about if you are a small stramer you get 80%, if you are a streamer with decent amount of viewership you get 70% and if you are a big streamer you only get 50%. Fair should be fair so small streamers get a chance and not only the big ones get richer and richer.

[@obinnaokonkwo131]

Add time stamps for video topics please

[@BurstShotzX]

XQC thinks he is sitting on cloud 9 or any streamer for streaming shows, until one of them is handed a lawsuit one day, if ever. There is a responsible way to do things and then there is the irresponsible thing to do. Yes some video games have DMCA music in it, but that doesn't give you the right to risk the platform coming down on everyone, that was never watching shows in the first place.

[@imSkrap]

Are you not allowed to say COVID in videos or have the text on screen anymore???

[@akiloofnice]

I help you guys stop worrying right now. twitch is never going to change that shit, end of story. They don't care how many petitions or numbers of signatures it gets, until it actually starts to effect their revenue they don't give a shit.

[@ytzaakgbane2152]

You can’t mess with the ruthless buisnesswoman. Leafy and jidion learned. Who’s next

[@7dyn639]

ofc hes friends with adinross

[@TheSvmurai]

"Jidio" is crazy

[@toddsmart1183]

Excellent channel.

[@dr_snuff]

When are Twitch going to make bans more meaningful? Top Streamers are just going to continue taking the piss because there is no punishment in being banned anymore. I think the truth is that Twitch have lost control of their platform. KZbin and Facebook (to a lesser extent) are viable options now so streamers don't have to be loyal to Twitch anymore. If they were working for any other company, they would have been sacked years ago

[@KlawMan27]

I don't get that angel dude. He says twitch marginalises the lgbt people, but his main income is twitch. So how tf is he marginalized if he get enough money to have a stable livelihood? It would make more sense to be a grown adult and just own up the mistake, rather than cry like a manchild

[@nielsen145]

if you are gonna restream tv shows, at least have the courtsy to obtain a license for that said show, because its gonna end up really bad, you thought music industry was bad, the big boys from movie industry is even worse and they wont stop. Amazon could do something about it with their own service prime and their own shows, where you could buy a restream license for that show and episode.

[@Clos_Goldstienburg-III]

Jidion is a typical small business owner getting attacked on by some racist Karen. 2022 was suppose to be different

[@estoylaroca]

Honestly, get these react andy's the fuck out of Twitch. Literally the most low effort content you can do. And what the admiral dude said is true. Big streamers just abuse that shit to "get a break", and to get clout. Worst of all, it's true that big companies didn't mind twitch channels playing music in vidya gaems etc. because that's just the "consequence" of playing vidya gaems. Nowadays, people just blatantly re-stream copyrighted content. And now that it's pretty obvious how much these channels make, there's just no reason for them not to DMCA *EVERYONE*

[@shadoom]

I don't like poki but that jideon dude is even worse

[@anthonysenick5582]

I don’t think anime should be allowed on twitch but its weird a bunch of anime studios got together and created a KZbin channel to stream new anime they created and promote more anime. The revenue they got paid the studio and they are working on dubbing many of there animes

[@theleonson100]

In the law Harassment is Harassment.

[@iDeLaYeD_o]

Twitch isn't going to change their payout min, maybe splits could be a discussion with them but lets not push it. The reason they have a min payout of $100 is due to them having to pay X amount on the transfer plus tax that they pay (I guess people don't understand that the company you work for also pays tax for paying you while you also get taxed). If they had a min payout of $20 wtf are you gonna do with that since the next payout is a month away, at least at $100 you can use it to live if you live with your parents still. Last time I got a payout from twitch it was a week later I think which is normal. Unless a company pays you with physical checks your cutoff date is 4-6 work days before your pay. Lets not compare Patreon and Twitch like they run the same way. Patreon is a company to protect self-employed people while Twitch is the employer you have signed a contract with so they will have more costs when paying you. For the splits I'd say 65% for Aff and 75% for Partners at most but 60 and 70 would be reasonable imo. Twitch streamers also pay tax as it's an income so adding that in like KZbinrs have it worse that way is a bad way to think about it too. Overall Twitch can do nothing on the bases that YT has Superchats that go through YT and Google takes its cut while on Twitch streamers use StreamElements or StreamLabs which go through PayPal and combined take a much smaller cut then Google does. Nobody makes decent money off of subs or bits on Twitch nor do I think many make a living off of YT community subs, sure they are a steady source of income but the real money is in donations

[@TheStockGuy]

bro really? of all pictures, you chose THAT one? Shameless

[@StreamersReloaded]

I wanted to use the fox one, but couldent find a pic with the hood off.