Streaming vs Vinyl - Pink Floyd!

[@TEN32GLOCK]

Sounds exactly like my computer speakers. Weird.

[@JackTwoOne]

😅

[@igaldins]

This joke is as old as KZbin 😄

[@TEN32GLOCK]

@@igaldins yeah well I am considerably older than You Tube and so is most of my audio gear...lol.

[@russellparker4568]

@@TEN32GLOCKyeah you can tell, i can clearly hear a difference on my iPhone, maybe hifi isn’t for you anymore if your past it buddy.

[@TEN32GLOCK]

@@russellparker4568 you may be right about that but at least I never used my iPhone for a hi fi source.

[@cosimonodragon4544]

the vinyl communicates more to me, considerably more three dimensional, definitely a touch warmer but more human. Beautiful system!

[@igaldins]

Vinyl sounds more like the real thing, thats correct 👍

[@RUfromthe40s]

basically the digital source can only sound good if you didn´t hear first the record and doesn´t have to be a very expensive turntable or cartridge from the 70´s ,i think all noticed the diferencies just by looking at it ,talking about the stylus and a good DAC will improve the cd sound but never close to a turntable with an average quality

[@cosimonodragon4544]

Just a subjective opinion, that's why I said that it communicates to 'me' , I'm not speaking for anyone else nor am I getting into scientific semantics @@GiboRuso

[@RUfromthe40s]

@@GiboRuso it seems i don´t know what i´m talking about but you don´t have a clue about what is sound, i feel that when you born i was already using a better system than that about streaming ,vinyl and youtube sound i think you need some aceptable average speakers or just buy a quality cartridge for that thing you call a turntable

[@RUfromthe40s]

@@GiboRuso A boat what?what is there to reason with

[@lillegrisensbattlemovies6201]

Vinyl- more space, more alive - everything sounds just better on vinyl, makes me wanna tap my feet!

[@GiboRuso]

From your comment I can read one thing- 0 knowledge, you have no idea what you are talking about 😂

[@Peter-ii4xq]

Of course it depends of the quality of the equipment and ones ears. And a good turtable with a phono amp is not cheap. A few thousand of bucks will be necessairy to outperform digital sound. Don't forget a good dish wasser. Vinyl adds a bit of HV. That also gives a warmer more natural sound.

[@igaldins]

This turntable cost 1/4 in comparison to the digital combo. I use Mcintosh built in phono.

[@Peter-ii4xq]

That is cheap. The sound is good. What brand is it?@@igaldins

[@igaldins]

@@Peter-ii4xq Project carbon, 2m Ortofon bronze cartridge, amplifier built in phono stage and stock RCA phono cables.

[@RUfromthe40s]

before, even making the exchange to today´s money , equipment is way too expensive with ,lower quality, i think people today buy "PRETTY" or perdy ,is not for listening purposes but like a BIBLÔT" to show off in the living room

[@RUfromthe40s]

@@igaldins yes built in phono on a mcintosh amplifier is good , i have since early age a MA 5100 with tannoy speakers ,not those models sold today but at the time new, one can sit inside confortably if the woofer is taken out, several + inputs in the back for diferent equalizer curves

[@fredrickanderson17]

Nice TT, the DAC, not so much and a very brittle punishing tweeter both.

[@berndmayer3984]

Any serious comparison must be made blindly and with equal volume. "The bass rise on vinyl is faster" Lol pure fantasy.

[@igaldins]

The dynamics on vinyl are more exciting, rise faster and the dynamic range is wider. The decay is more precise with digital. My guess is that if I would use TT in similar price to my digital combo and some MC cartridge it would beat the digital combo easily on most if not all aspects. Still Im not sure I’ll stick to analog for a long time, streaming is like the ocean, vinyl is like a swimming pool, content wise.

[@QoraxAudio]

Can't properly compare things. You should do a direct recording from the preamp/DAC output. The room has some reverb that's ruled out by doing a direct recording.

[@igaldins]

Nice idea. Thanks

[@Albert-ed3hg]

For the best audio play an SACD or equivalent, end of story:) Oh and it's all sucks if you don't sound treat your room!

[@igaldins]

Room acoustic treatment is planned, but not anytime soon unfortunately

[@Albert-ed3hg]

DIY acoustic room panels work for a more economical approach!

[@berj79]

Which Mcintosh is that?

[@igaldins]

MA8900, very musical amp. Big soundstage, natural vocals. No listening fatigue.

[@dab9742]

I have the impression that vinyl is better, more space around the music, it's much less flat, more alive and natural ! 😉

[@igaldins]

This is exactly what I hear in the room. Vinyl is more holographic. But on low volume I think I prefer the digital because of the low noise floor. Analog charm blossoms with higher volume.

[@quazar912]

and decided that just by listenin through some cheap mobile mic? LOL

[@igaldins]

@@quazar912 Sometimes it’s possible with good and very neutral headphones.

[@Peter-ii4xq]

I use a good Sennheiser headphone at a laptop. In real the difference will be bigger.@@igaldins

[@localizer1980]

Unfortunately, the biggest (and maybe even the only) drawback of this setup is the room itself. It is too small: - the distance between the speakers is not enough (the sense of a scene is missing, and the overall impression of a sound is kinda monophonic); - the speakers are too close to back and side walls and to the floor, hence - very audible early reflections; - man, your speakers are quite awesome, so using these cheap chairs is killing them, try some descent stands :) Nice and interesting setup, bro, but it is an overkill for the room. Trust me, at this moment you haven't heard your system yet. It's like driving a Ferrari in your backyard.

[@igaldins]

Its a temporary living space. It will change eventually. This stands height is good to the room acoustics. I had 2 other pairs, 60 and 70 cm, and it was less good. In addition the sound is one of the best I heard, anywhere. Speakers sounds better than in the store. I think you over criticized the room issue. There is an issue but its not as significant as you described 😁

[@localizer1980]

@@igaldins of course I may be wrong, since I haven't experienced the sound in your room in person :) If you like it, then it's fine. But I still think that your setup's potential is yet to be fullfilled. Wish you luck on your audio journey, and hope your system finds a matching surrounding in the nearest future ;)

[@igaldins]

@@localizer1980 Thank you! Sure the room is a drawback. That’s correct. Still the result is very good now, and I hope will improve in a bigger treated room.

[@andrewdrouin]

With all due respect gentlemen... We're listening to a recording made on ??? device, being compressed to high hell by KZbin, and broadcast over, what, a 128 kbps, maybe 160kbps tops? And you're making judgements based on that? If you want a serious comparison, mount a calibrated microphone at a measured sweet spot (move the album cover out of the way, as it changes the sound with reflections). Run a pink noise test into a decent DB meter, first with vinyl (yup', pink noise albums exist, for stuff kinda' like this) and then a pink noise test-disc with the CD deck. You need to know how to level-match the volume between the two mediums. That is really important. If you cannot do it here, you can use a free program like Audacity to do it later. Next, play 30 seconds of the vinyl LP, and record it with your calibrated microphone, into Audacity on a decent laptop, such as a modern Mac. Now do the same thing over with a CD of the same track. Now, save those files as lossless .FLAC or .WAV digital file and upload both files to some free hosting source, such as Google Drive, OneDrive etc. and provide listeners with the links. When we can quickly swap between level-matched lossless format files... that's where we will be able to formulate informed opinions... A.

[@igaldins]

Thanks for your reply. As you mentioned, this video is not scientific, specifically recorded on a cell phone. This is why I share some basic impressions from my point of view of listening live in the room.

[@michaelbrady9364]

Is that a 2m bronze.

[@igaldins]

Yes, 2m bronze.

[@SteveDave29]

Ortofon?

[@igaldins]

@@SteveDave29 Yes, Ortofon 2M Bronze MM (moving magnet)

[@austinhunt4260]

Love vinyl but really can’t tell the difference here.

[@igaldins]

Yeah, I didn’t expected this frankly to be so close.

[@RUfromthe40s]

with that turntable and that cartridge the sound isn´t very good ,allthough on youtube it´s impossible to compare ,at home i did play my record and put it on Tidal and Spotify and the recorded sounded like the streamer was a low-fi source, new cartridges are very bad only starting in several thousands of € will mirror a 200€ cartridge with a good thorens turntable or the SL-1000MKII from technics bought in 79

[@igaldins]

What streamer and DAC you use with Tidal?

[@RUfromthe40s]

@@igaldins i just bought recentelly a bluesound node series because i was told their good ,before i was using a laptop for music listening with a good sound board, or DAC. External, i´m not using any ,i have a cd player ofered to me in the 90´s from CEC belt driven ,it as a good internal dac

[@naimagape4235]

the lp is static

[@igaldins]

You mean pops of static electricity?

[@naimagape4235]

nop i didn't see the recordrs turning ...the triangle is no moving @@igaldins

[@naimagape4235]

sorry a have to change my glasses or reading the tittle . by the way nice set up

[@igaldins]

@@naimagape4235 Press here 6:04

[@igaldins]

@@naimagape4235 Thanks 😁

[@whosbehindthedoor8788]

Sounds awful

[@igaldins]

Thank you for your opinion 😄

[@GiboRuso]

Vinyl sucks, CD as a physical media is superior to vinyl and streaming is so much better in every possible way than vinyl

[@igaldins]

Thank you for your opinion. For fractions of my digital streamer and DAC price the TT is better on some aspects like 3 dimensionality, speaker “disappearing” and dynamic range. I still try to understand the HF resolution on the TT. Seems there is more on the TT. PS. Still have to check about CDs

[@mph7282]

You can't watch a stream spinning around. Scoreboard: vinyl

[@GiboRuso]

@@mph7282 that's real reason 😂😂,so pathetic you just missing the point of listening to music 😂😂