Street Debate - Is gender equality a bad motion in Uganda?

[@DWThe77Percent]

Why have some societies failed to treat women and men the same?

[@KAIZORIANEMPIRE]

Men and women are not equal. We can't treat people the same because we would be undue burden to people that aren't as equipped in a particular aspect. Men can't have children (birth) and women in general can't build houses as effectively as men due to physical impedence

[@bellawangari8557]

Intellectually you can treat men and women the same.

[@JosephineAwuah-Dapaah]

This is so disturbing. 3 year olds and women who are covered up are being raped. Why are we giving excuses and allowing men to act the way they do? Why give him permission to rape any woman/girl who walks around wearing what they want to wear? Gosh!!! This is troubling. We have a long way to go as Africans.

[@clivesibandaj5902]

Hi. My name is Clive Sibanda from Zimbabwe. l'm new to this amazing channel and l'm really enjoying it. l'm really surprised to see that we're having the same debates here in Southern Africa as you discuss in most of your shows. This proves that we are one people with a common agenda. l also feel like the solution to our social problems will be to come together and reflect on our cultures and see if we can develop and modernize them so that every member of the society feel included and respected. Now most people in Africa are starting to question the European culture that we follow because it has caused more harm than good

[@linalesia5188]

Our forefathers were not rapists despite women then wearing barely anything. This emphasis on women modesty only highlights lack of self control on men. The problem is with men, not women in this situation.

[@veraaddoyobo8482]

That was a lot to do with our spirituality, in those days a man raping a woman will result in him being curse

[@i_am_ironman3380]

It's kinda sad how many of our opinions are shaped by American demographics. "Red pill" mentality makes far more sense, but, sadly in our continent, you'd have to be blind to ignore the clear mistreatment of women. We need more shows like this, content based on our lands.

[@natashacampbell5200]

These women are so bright & articulate considering the circumstances they are dealing with. I am actually very surprised that they are dealing with this type of discrimination in this day and age. As a female living in the UK this is a very hard pill to swallow. P.S Can someone high 5 the male feminist! Talking so much sense

[@KAIZORIANEMPIRE]

Sense to you is someone that agrees with you right ?

[@Flex2212]

@@KAIZORIANEMPIRE The fact remains that these woman obviously have put a lot more thinking into their refined arguments than most men in general and these guys in the video especially. Maybe you should too?

[@KAIZORIANEMPIRE]

@@Flex2212 i love to laugh when people on youtube project. I am well versed in reasoning. I understand the arguments and they are basically stupid like most arguments made by anybody . They want to do things that serves them. It's not logic it's self preservation. Again i can write something stupid in a pro mans channel and they will be like woow bro amazing, same as these women saying nonense. help yourself and learn how to think

[@Flex2212]

@@KAIZORIANEMPIRE Maybe she was projecting, maybe she was not. You cannot prove to me she was, which, ironically, is how I prove, that you in fact did project with your original question.

[@KAIZORIANEMPIRE]

@@Flex2212 there is no projection from me. I am simply stating what i see. Everybody projects so she is definitely projecting and whe ni say prokect i don't mean from her own feelings i mean from the multiple experiences she's had and how people usually are in her perception. This is the definition of projection i am using which she meets

[@ccmma6399]

This Edith is a star. Spectacular. Awesome.

[@Flex2212]

Consider this my fellow men: It is the same ignorance from many/most men towards their problematic relationship with women as many/most Europeans have towards their problematic relationship with Africans: Both have not felt the pain because of their priviliged position, both are profiting from systematic exploitation and both are not listening, instead behaving paternalistic, which is why both are NOT able to empathize.

[@skip031890]

What a stupid comment.

[@VernettaRFreeney]

Baby this discussion was fiyah These women held their ground. And shout out to the 1 man speaking against the patriarchy.

[@kanyembomwita1790]

Because he was on your side 😂😂, women ☕

[@muzimnisi260]

Equality in opportunity doesn't automatically translate to equality of outcome.

[@Organictreatment]

It's a shame to notice the reporting of these event showed clearly the news anchor is a feminists supporter and couldn't be professional and stay neutral. I bet I would have remained neutral but I also have a side I would have loved to comment.

[@nkreseknowledge2241]

Do not marry!! And stop having children. That should fix it!!

[@petttroville5510]

Amen why subject your daughters to troglodytes? It's why Africa stays behind. you disenfranchised half of the population because they are women and wonder why the GDP is low. I understand outside influences but Africa has a hand in its own downfall and subjecting women to the place of children is part of that downfall.

[@hassanabi4508]

I'm just here for edith kimani

[@african4547]

And social issues of course

[@dramese]

Every time the guy who describes himself as a feminist every time he opens his mouth, wisdom just flows. The guy is very smart and wise. I think all the men here lay down they case well although some of them where wrong. I really enjoyed this one, very informative and a learning experience for me as a man. I could see the sister's frustrations.

[@Flex2212]

HOW has this not got more views???

[@jpraise6771]

Such an underrated channel

[@johng.9143]

I love your moderation of the debate Edith Kimani. The debate is quite eye-opening to the reality of things. I think that the point of feminism should be to fight against unfair, assultive and irrational behaviour by men towards women. God loves us equally and he made us different and even differently in a way that our our difference bridges the gap in making humanity whole. The agenda that we should be equal needs to be very clear in what that equality is about. I mean, equal in what way? In terms of same payment for same amount or quality of work done by man and woman, I believe that this should not even be an issue to discuss. The pay should be equal. The ones paying women les have a problem! Every one should be treated with utmost respect, no matter who they are.

[@DWThe77Percent]

Thank you very much, John. I think you're right in every aspect. The pay should be equal indeed. But the question is; why is it even a debate that women should be treated fairly like their men counterparts? What's missing in the first place?

[@raaitsehai]

Male and Female are equal and opposite, just like a battery has two polar charges, you can't have one without the other, each has a role to play and sometimes they play the same role.

[@marthangafor6414]

Thank you! It's about mutual respect and team work.

[@chimakalu41]

7:33 This debate is really balanced.You have both sides in full support.

[@Ngozi24]

This is sad. So basically the Ugandan government has insulted the Ugandan men by sending the message that men are such savage beast in their thoughts and actions. Therfore men can not control themselves when it comes to the Ugandan woman. Wherefore Ugandan, women cover up and protect yourself from men. This is quite disturbing. How about having stiff laws for men and women who commit sexual offenses period. If the African forefathers ( and mothes)saw their woman /men and small children with LESS attire and did NOT commit these crimes, Whats wrong with human beings of today.. What a shame.

[@chimakalu41]

9:09 That girl stated perfectly the issues they face with men Misusing Authority positions.

[@BosomofAbraham]

The moderator got too emotionally involved. It's sad to see that feminist poison has reached African women and affected them so deeply.

[@T1Oracle]

Maybe you need to be a Trokosi bride to understand how wrong you are? Physical strength does not grant you authority over women.

[@BosomofAbraham]

@@T1Oracle if you think it's just about physical strength, you are a foolish person.

[@christinenamuddu8584]

Please educate yourself

[@charlesekpima8210]

@@T1Oracle then we are not obligated to protect or build shelter with that strength

[@jpraise6771]

​@@charlesekpima8210to play devil's advocate here: women COULD do all those things, it's just that some of them would be less effective than what the men would be doing. Furthermore, an excellent point was brought up earlier, with the change in society, tradition is undoubtedly shifted as well. Men's strength doesn't actually mean anything with the rise of machinery lol

[@kimmyo483]

The two men are sooo frustrating😡😪

[@Mufasa_Shabazz]

She pulls the mic away when he says that women belong to society, this is the point I am making. Feminism is for women taking freedom and liberty for their own sake, the whole of society is taken into no consideration. This is unacceptable and selfish.

[@ndagiretracy3456]

If you think that is selfish and unacceptable, help me answer this one question , where do men belong? The way I see it is that it is selfish and unacceptable to you because you (men) are the sole beneficiaries of the patriarchal society.

[@Mufasa_Shabazz]

@@ndagiretracy3456 I live in Anerikkka as a Black man, there is no patriarchy here for us.

[@petttroville5510]

If that society offers nothing but suffering and burdens why should a woman want to serve her society?

[@jamaica5308]

Also would live to correct those feminist on Attires.The government has a specification on men attires when on a job, that is very official cloths and men have acccepted it.Now when women are told to wear official, feminist claim its a discrimination, which I think is ignorance.

[@allankiplimo9752]

Edith i will always follow you online everywhere you go.

[@omarlamine7212]

Good feats. Please do continue writing the names of the speakers in green . It is more visible in green.

[@connierogers2840]

No matter how you dress.... a man is going have desires for you period!... it’s human.... as a woman this is one thing that keeps me from looking at Africa as an option to live... where is the value of the woman?

[@petttroville5510]

Bingo! Africa is beautiful the people can be great but the men give ick with their thinking. I'd only invest in business there but not live there because Africa as a whole is stuck in the past. It doesn't even benefit them but to each his own I guess.

[@bossmachi]

Beyond oppressive and disturbing

[@NellyMacharia]

Monday is back tracking cause he is a chauvinist

[@benjaminsmith2287]

Hardened chauvinist. Fat Boy too, to me. But Fat Boy at least realizes stuff has to change. But notice how those two were laughing with each other at the end.

[@chimakalu41]

0:28wow... That was an executive decision for tourism ?

[@philemonpalou]

I believed in gender equality and supported my wife, she prospered in her career, the moment I left my job to start a business, meaning struggling for a year and a half without success and minimum funds, she left with my kids (less than a year into the struggle), rented a new place, excluded me althogether. Her reason was 'I.m not happy'. But we started off with her being unemplyed for a few years while I took care of everything. Thats my experience with gender equality. I'm now successful and am not willing to get back with my wife (her requests to reunite are falling on deaf ears), I'm focusing only on my children.

[@jpraise6771]

Very excellent story here. I think what is needed is not a situation in the west(where in the name of personal "freedom" women have ultimately pursued themselves first and the community second) but of course not a place as potentially backwards as Uganda and the middle east. I guess portray women as protectors too? Not sure how that'd work but it's definitely better than the slop women get fed everyday in the west regarding how "their man" should be treated.

[@sabri1913]

Am a woman but I support you. It’s hard for most women to still respect a man when he’s down.

[@petttroville5510]

She probably never wanted you. thats not equality sir thats human nature. She didn't want you and took the first thing smoking out your house. I doubt she is asking to come back lol would you rather a woman who hates you making your food and raising your children to hate you too? Yall strange out here. Bm have a suffer kink for women.

[@mr.sailii]

That's not gender equality, it's a product of patriarchy. She left because women have been told that "men are the providers". So when she saw you weren't 'providing' enough, she left. Gender equality has nothing to do with this, it's just the patriarchy biting the very same gender that created it.

[@jaydensmith6830]

I love the interviewer. In Cameroon men think they are better than women in all domain of life.❤.Presently women are getting educated & even the female drop-outs now work harder than men.❤from Cameroon

[@vickygraham2444]

Women can have career and family. And these women as mothers need to train gender equality into their children to improve their future

[@joehouston2833]

That's why divorce is the highest in America 🤣

[@django628]

Yeah, no total b.s. this is cleverly disguised colonization.

[@petttroville5510]

​@@joehouston2833and your point? a woman is allowed to choose if they want to stay in a bad marriage or not. Why are there so many African women here if Africa is such a safe and feminine utopia?

[@BosomofAbraham]

Dress code makes sense. Why do men go to strip clubs? For the environment,? No. What if men dressed like women? Think about it. Why not talk to traditional women.

[@petttroville5510]

Traditional women get SA'ed too

[@TheFriendlyPsychopath]

What these women want is men to yield to them and to acquiesce to whatever they want without doing all the hard work.

[@petttroville5510]

Same could be said on the flip side about you men. What is the hard work women must do to not be abused and to be seen as a full human being?

[@Xinny000]

Super interesting! Really well done!

[@jemimaabroquah1888]

12:05 well spoken there’s no such thing as an “African culture “ there some Fulani tribes where women can have more than one sexual partner is that not an African culture. Cultures can easily be changed as people set cultures

[@Organictreatment]

Nothing can be equal otherwise then let's run the the same marathon with both men and women. We were created different and the man was given the upper hand sadly to the women. Even the Bible asks Men to lead but never to forget the women who they are ordered to LOVE most and Cherish. Let develop Equity and not Equality. Yeah equality can only be found in a dictionary. 😊 I loved that ending.

[@greenmountainbrownie6473]

"Fatboy" was based and red pilled.

[@wamuciiwamucii7136]

The male feminist is quite properly composed Women, let's look men with gratitude and rational fear*stolen* Ultimately, we all want freedom, we all want to belong

[@angelwanyama9906]

My greatest fear is being married to a man with a mentality like Monday 😢. It breaks my heart

[@jokiep65]

Dear mister monday, a man can most certainly learn to do homemaking and a woman can learn to provide for the family. Open your mind, it is possible! Look how it was done in other countries and copy the good!

[@josemigel]

Sophia the men are saying the bitter truth. Stop cringing 😅😅😅

[@petttroville5510]

Is that why your women are doing whatever they can to get out of Africa? I dont blame them. How do you feel knowing that African women view the yte man as a savior from the conditions the men in their country created? How cringe

[@amlegion.547]

What a great 👍 way to end the debate, Monday always debate out of point, but i still love him most; Much love ❤️ from naija; PEACE ✌️.

[@chimakalu41]

2:02 I think edith feels like she already had enough of that guy

[@vevo3130]

Protecting them from who?? from you hahaaaaa that guy got it hahaaaa

[@BosomofAbraham]

To label all men as lustful, violent sexual fiends is wrong. But to ignore the ways that men are strongly aroused by women and allow them to show off their bodies however is also wrong. It would never be professional for men to show off their chests or wear tight fitting clothes that accented their private parts or showed off their thighs. Why do women view nakedness as freedom?

[@petttroville5510]

​@@BosomofAbrahamAdam and eve was naked and free to enjoy gods garden. Before the original sin their bodies wasn't viewd as lascivious. Do you think female babies should be borned clothed? God forbid the male doctor gets aroused

[@BosomofAbraham]

@@petttroville5510 Your comment has nothing to do with mine. Your comments are perverse.

[@theoisback]

Hasan is a HERO 👆🏿

[@LightSkinCreole]

Gender equality has its Pro's and Con's...the roles between men and women here in America changing ..kinda in a bad way

[@marlonmagonjo]

How can you run away from the fact that we all belong to society????

[@marlonmagonjo]

I liked the setup. However, a wise man once said nothing!!!

[@marlonmagonjo]

And Monday closes the conversation lol.

[@DWThe77Percent]

@@marlonmagonjo How is 'silence' smart? Break the silence!

[@marlonmagonjo]

@@DWThe77Percent I'd like to applaud such an open conversation first. I do not mean to demean any opinions raised. We would need more time and more people to dig into this, esp from different nations across Africa with different views. Some people might feel offended, some are already convinced but what we want as a people is to mould ourselves into the world we want to live in 10, 15, 50 years from now. Everyone is basing their ideology from somewhere, some are saying Western culture, some saying African culture and all sorts. I trust that everyone has done background checks on all those, projected the future and is currently studying the current trend. What the systems have taught the other person is different from the other raised in the other system because both have been raised in different environments. Bringing it home to Africa were we have this problem we are addressing we have to come with a solution. One thing I will point out is it's pathetic how the majority has started believing in the 'Me' and not the 'We'. You can only go as far as 'You' and guranteed you will lose it. Can't wait for the second round of this conversation. #FunFact Everyone is convinced in their minds that they are right. I never dreamt of making such a contribution to Uganda whilst in Zimbabwe. If you can help in defining gender much will be appreciated. Such conversations are grassroots to success, Up Up Africa!!!

[@marlonmagonjo]

@@DWThe77Percent I've kept this video for the future reference and shared it with others. I like the views shared. We can do more.

[@hazelmurirok]

This conversation should help you understand why the dating scene is the ghetto. Do with this information what you will.

[@tundeadebisi7294]

Not a great debate in my opinion. Lots of naivity on both side. But that last contribution got me thinking, especially when I think about it in terms of income, class, race, and every other entities that divide people

[@chimakalu41]

9:52 Edith had a strong reaction to that one.Lol

[@tekendum1917]

The journalist is great at what she does. But she has taken a position and its too visible. Because of it she is losing her objectiveness. Other than that she is great.

[@antwaanhemisphere7956]

Met friend here in us from Uganda beautiful person...told me about the culture and so forth...beautiful culture and people...peace

[@craiganthonyhill]

Transformation out of the dark ages. Thats a challenge for the backward.

[@shadeedmuhammad8107]

Lol, but we dont even treat the planet right as a equal.So I dont see the point!

[@BosomofAbraham]

Hassan does not deserve that name.

[@christinenamuddu8584]

Are you God

[@pinkiethesniper6630]

sorry to bust some bubbles but there's things women cant do that men can do. we are not equal. don't like it? too bad!

[@musamanneh8939]

Edith is not fair in her judgement. She tends to be on the side of the feminist which is understandable as someone with a western mindset but Africa has it values which must be jealously guarded.

[@thato596]

Exactly she has favoritism for the girls. Even in another in seirra leone or liberia she did the same thing. She is not professional

[@jamaica5308]

Things are good for women. Forget the toxic feminism.. No one is looking down on women Just give equal opportunity to education to both girls and boys.

[@DWThe77Percent]

Equality is exactly what women are working towards.

[@natashacampbell5200]

Toxic feminism?

[@benjaminsmith2287]

Not just education. Respect, opportunity in the workplace and equal pay, political appointments, and more.

[@Flex2212]

You do realize it is mostly men making these arguments. It is the same ignorance from many/most men towards their problematic relationship with women as many/most Europeans have towards their problematic relationship with Africans: Both have not felt the pain because of their priviliged position, both are profiting from systematic exploitation and both are not listening, instead behaving paternalistic, which is why both are NOT able to empathize.

[@ASGSol-Ad]

I love watching the #77% 💙Africa

[@DWThe77Percent]

Great to hear, thanks!

[@pearllemdal5988]

I hink women should look like ladies by dressing modestly.I am 80 and live in the west.

[@amaradumbuya2099]

As an african man,that why I like a village girl,these women want to be white

[@Flex2212]

No, they just don't want to be poor in every sense of the word

[@bossmachi]

Are you mad 😠

[@jayneakinyi1992]

😂😂😂😂please are you okay

[@rinat.7114]

They want to be seen as human.

[@garamabe6891]

Unfortunately Edith Kimani hasn't chosen God. It's best to avoid her

[@musamanneh8939]

She presses anyone who expresses a viewpoint on how the society is.