Street Photography on old Digicams

In this video I'm taking the Ricoh Caplio R1, the Olympus FE-170 and the Canon PowerShot A2400 IS out to do some street photography. These older Digicams are so much fun to shoot with.
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[@davidvongries]

Guys! Here’s a follow-up video where I talk more in depth about the Ricoh Caplio R1 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3mtdJt4fbSNgNk

[@cyrfung]

I grew up in film era and I still shoot film so I understand the nostalgia factor, but the revival of old digital cameras is a trend I never saw coming

[@trels203]

Agreed, I would always go thrifting for film cameras and toss aside any old digital camera I came across, stupidly not giving them any attention. Now I'm on the lookout for both and enjoy 'digicams' for their outdated/nostalgic look.

[@johnruschmeyer5769]

I'm actually not surprised. There was already the Lomography trend toward using quirky cameras for their artistic effects. Then factor in the renaissance of technologies like vinyl records and classic iPods upgraded with flash storage and it was inevitable that older digicams would come under the radar, particularly with the high prices of film in many areas.

[@myfriendsnoopy]

I didn’t realize it was a big “trend” rn until I picked up a finepix 1400z (1.3 megapixels 😂) at the thrift store the other day and looked up stuff about it. Def makes me feel like a kid again so I get the nostalgia factor

[@nishthagupta1357]

Same😂

[@nishthagupta1357]

​@@trels203same😂

[@nicomaximos]

Cameras used in this video: Ricoh Caplio R1 - 02:00 - 03:30 Olympus FE-170 - 02:27 Canon PowerShot A2400 IS -05:10

[@convertible2987]

Thanks!! Are these pictures raw or edited?

[@convertible2987]

nvm he added some white balance and contrast

[@nawasoki343]

Post production or in camera settings?@@convertible2987

[@johnnyc.5979]

@@convertible2987 There's no RAW for cameras this old, at least not point and shoot. Most likely jpg that he edited.

[@eli-un2gv]

@@johnnyc.5979what? jpg?

[@charlespitts5901]

I bought a Sony DSC-S75 back in 2001 for $700 (3.2-3.3 megapixels). I used it to take photos in the real estate industry so I was able to write most of the cost off. I took it all over the world including the Galapagos Islands with stunning results. That is, if I didn't crop much because it would pixelate badly quickly. I had a friend that had the Sony DSC-S85 (same camera but 4.1 megapixels) which made a HUGE difference in a cropped image so I bought one about 4 years ago for $15. They have Zeiss lenses! I now use it along with one of my film cameras on my local Beers and Cameras photowalks. It's slow to use so I slows me down therefore I take more care with each shot. However keep in mind, these cameras are TERRIBLE in low light without a flash.

[@kishascape]

Just get an SB-800 and set it to optical slave. Problem solved. Though personally I prefer the early canon G series powershots. Same megapixel count but looks almost like a film point and shoot and has a hotshoe. I love the G1

[@Riccardo_Mori]

Between film and digital, I have amassed an embarrassing amount of cameras. I simply love them as tools, and I always try to look for particular models with some interesting features or quirks. I basically shoot with anything, but I've been shooting with older digicams for about 4 years now. For me, the reasons are mainly two: 1) I find I prefer the output of CCD sensors over CMOS sensors; I don't know if it's because I come from film and the way a CCD sensor renders colours is more akin to film… or if perhaps I'm just weird for not minding when shadows get crushed or highlights blown if the photo ultimately has character and mood. 2) It all began with me wanting to prove that older digital cameras from the 2000s were still perfectly good tools to take photos and that you don't necessarily need the latest and greatest to take good photos (yes, even professionally). The fact that now these older digicams appear to be the latest trend in photography is partly heartwarming and partly frustrating because, naturally, prices in the used market for this kind of cameras are rising. Not reaching insane prices, mind you, but in some cases they're already passing that 'cheap & cheerful' threshold that makes this style of photography fun to begin with. I really enjoyed your video, David. Keep up the good work! Cheers, //Rick

[@Max_Mustermann]

Not really a "digicam", but I still have my Nikon D40 from 2006 and use it mainly with vintage film lenses. Although only 6mpix, the image quality still holds up pretty well and I really like the color rendition.

[@Davidgarcia-zh5yu]

My mom told me too stop buying em 😭 like I can’t their just so fucking cool

[@carte9101]

So true! I’m looking for a cheap old digital camera capable of giving a retro touch to photos, with a decent battery life, any suggestions? What would be your pick?

[@lukenatewilson989]

That’s true. I keep coming across KZbin shorts posted around 6-12 months ago and the prices mentioned in the video are typically off by $100-$300 dollars sometimes. Thankfully, I found a few old digicams from my childhood from.

[@joshcook]

It’s crazy seeing how the trend has shot prices up. I paid $300 for my canon g7x back in 2016, now they can’t stay in stock and people are paying upwards of $800 for them used. It’s insane

[@grady4757]

Aesthetic is personal in the end, and I think the end result of some of your shots greatly illustrates this. New subscriber, but as a fellow photographer I appreciate the throwback appreciation.

[@sohinidutta97]

i have been waiting for this trend to come back for ages! i love my old digicams. don’t get me wrong, the dslr is excellent in most situations but I miss the comfort of carrying a small compact camera. also, NOSTALGIA! And your photos are absolutely stunning. I am inspired to take photos again

[@Paulayt]

i love the nostalgia factor that old digicams bring. your photos are beautiful!!

[@bbdon2380]

These videos just gives me the idea of how the quality sometimes does not really matter. It is how you take the picture.

[@davidvongries]

i agree! you don’t always have to have the latest & greatest gear.

[@pex.mari93]

I recently found my old Olympus FE-350 wide 2007 camera, with a bunch of videos I took from I was 8. It really unlocked some deep childhood memories. Guess I’ll start trying to photograph me & my friends because the quality and sensor really do bring out the nostalgia you were talking about.

[@brentbrown51]

I'm shooting around now with a digicam we purchased decades ago: a Canon PowerShot SD1300 IS Digital Elph 12.1 megapixels. It's truly amazing, even in low light. Been missing out on a lot of fun with that little guy!

[@Nezumi1111]

Love your vids man, i love the humor everything, keep it up :)

[@madmaxmedia]

I have a Ricoh Caplio R4 and really like it as well. The old Ricohs were really light on noise reduction, so at higher ISO you get a nice film-like grain (just do some color noise reduction on your computer to remove color blotches.) The original 8MP Ricoh GRD is pretty expensive now, but some lesser known Ricohs are really good too.

[@Smillii]

I have Powershot A520 which I got as a step between Coolpix L4 and my DSLR. I used it actively for about 2 years before another upgrade and it was mainly for night shooting: light trails, nightscapes etc. It's pretty good in that regard, but you do need to stack few images to get rid off the noise more often than not.

[@shotsndocs]

More of this, please. Subbed!!

[@CameraNostalgiaClub]

Great video! Love the vibes 📸

[@picemaster4647]

i have a fujifilm finepix a400, i took it on a trip to france in 2014 when i was nine and i found lots of memories on it when i dug it out so that was cool. im going to give it a new life and do car photography with it now i think.

[@photobyTaps]

Great presentation! I still enjoy my Olympus E100rs

[@hubertthong7405]

I thought I was the only old Fogie using old Digicams. Great content !!

[@DeSireeAlicea19]

I bought an EOS M to use magic lantern on but decided I'd rather use it like this with vintage lenses. Loved this video. I loved the colors of the Olympus camera

[@paolocruz8392]

I managed to find a classic Sony DSC-V1. Great camera with full feature manual controls. I was also able to grab hold to a Tamrac Zipshot tripod which is great to use with compact digital cameras. Night shots are a lot more fun to capture.

[@Todomo]

thank you for assuring me that i can get good photos with my 12 megapixels

[@brightesthours]

Haha it's funny seeing the town I used to study here on KZbin. Nice way seeing it again!

[@user-kj2gf1cn1p]

love your channel so much! great video :) subbed!

[@siofna9709]

Nice :-). I like older Digicams too and have a tiny collection oft them. Most times I made landscape photo walks. My favorite ones are the Panasonic Lumix LS3 and the Samsung ES15. At the moment I am experimenting with the Fuji FinePix E500, a 4 MP camera from 2004. With greetings from lower Bavaria

[@patrickmcfadden1689]

Kool video. I started out in film back in 1970. Went full digital less than 10 years ago with DSLR and Mirrorless. However, I have recently broke out my older Canon SD1200IS and having lots of fun with it. I then picked up a used DSC-P200 for less than 5 bucks at goodwill, had to buy a charger and betteries on amazon but works perfectly. It even came with extra memory cards and a ton of someone's European vacation pics lol. also fun to use.

[@its_mmmiles]

Just found my old Sony DSC T100... Can't wait to use it

[@SharDances]

I agree with Dawn. Please do more of this kind of videos. And I just subbed too! 😀

[@Trancemaster90s]

Brilliant love it, I love anything to do with 90s and 2000s nostalgia so this is right up my Street, one of my favourite camera is the Olympus mju 300 from 2002-2003, I don't really use it much perhaps I should use it more, I have a few other digital cameras I have that I sometimes use every so often when I get the chance to 👍👍👍

[@deangranros8493]

I recommend Ricoh caplio GX (5mp), GX8, GX100, Fujifilm F700, Panasonic Lumix LC20(2mp), LC40 & LC5 (with Leica branded lens), and Kodak M series like M577 touch. All these are good for simulating a film look . The Ricoh GX and GX8 have no noise reduction and can produce a nice grain like look. Thanks for posting your photos and camera insights.

[@macvspc815]

I still have a Kodak EasyShare C813 (8.2MP), and I love the black & white photos it takes. I've been getting back into messing with photography and using this camera specifically because I wanted an authentic nostalgic feel lol but my main go to is still my Olympus pen E-PL1

[@SianaGearz]

Me i've got a Canon PowerShot G2 and Pentax Optio W10 as my classic digicams. I chose them back in the day for a variety of practical reasons and features and good dynamic range for the era, and i just kept using them. I also have had Minolta Dimage X20 and a Canon Powershot S1-IS but these have died the sensor plague.

[@arnaldoalegria2209]

Loved the stairs photo

[@Max_Mustermann]

My parents still have an FE-170 somewhere in a drawer, bought years ago as our family's first digital camera (and also our last, as it was right at the time when smartphones with integrated cameras started taking off). While the lens is quite soft in the corners and the battery life is pretty bad, it is surprisingly fun to shoot with it.

[@herus6672]

Rico did the best. I like the shadows and its feels kinda vintage but still clear enough to see detail. Much better than smartphone cameras

[@sulfur2964]

Old digital cameras have something magical about their colors, my old Canon Powershot A620 is so much better then every mobile phone and even some half-professional cameras in getting this tones and hues

[@SeekTranscendence]

love the grain of old tech thx for making content for such stuff !

[@-ca--]

I think we are so used to the rubbish jpegs from smartphones that those old digital cameras now look good. Their lesser dynamic range and the nice colours really give them a film look, something natural. It's a shame that I never kept any. I like that photo at 3:57, the colours from the Ricoh are really nice, quite warm.

[@jeffk144]

I got a like new Canon S95 on Mercari for $60. Too shelf compact cam for $60! Jump in.

[@dano8328]

@@jeffk144 nice camera. You should also check out the sony dsc s85

[@flowerbabee]

you sold me on the FE-170. bought one on ebay literally seconds after watching this video. can't wait for it to come in!

[@theothertonydutch]

I wanted a compact camera and bought a used sub-compact Olympus E-MP1 (Pen Mini). I wish that more camera brands would do sub-compact bodies like that! It's so much fun to have lens flexibility on a small form factor. I've since moved on to the E-PL9 which unfortunately doesn't allow for a nice viewfinder, but I do use it a lot and especially use it with a bunch of weird and fun vintage lenses.

[@bwc1976]

The E-PM1 was my first mirrorless camera, I think I still have mine somewhere but it would probably need a new battery.

[@janedoe678]

@@bwc1976 I picked one up on eBay a few months ago. Paired with the old 17mm f/2.8 lens, it's my walking around camera. I love shooting with it, and have gotten some really nice images.

[@annapotpot]

I recently got a Ricoh R8 here in Japan. It's a joy to use 🙂

[@EasySimpleInvestor]

Classic pic bro. Like it!!!

[@edmann2843]

I love your ‘photo eye’, great photos. I mostly shoot B&W film, but always put an old digital in my pocket. I have Canon PowerShot S500 and SD1000, which I bought new back in the day. I got the SD1000 for backpack camping because of its size and weight factor. Love it.

[@davidvongries]

Thanks for your kind words! The SD1000 is actually on my list! It's called ixus70 here in Germany. Definitely a camera I want to check out.

[@SharDances]

@@davidvongries I've had that camera for years. First digital camera that I ever owned and I considered it to be my bff back in the day. Lol Very reliable and it really served me (and my relatives who used to borrow it)well. Sadly, it finally died a few years back. Now I'm keeping an eye out for it. I saw IXUS 80 IS, might get that one. Hopefully, it's as nice as the IXUS 70.

[@DanHintz]

i am using a used 2013 Lumix DMC SZ3, one of the ones with the Leica lens. got it used on ebay for only $60. love it. good backup to my Ricoh GRD3.

[@Theytoldmetodoit1]

I shoot film and older digital point and shoot cameras. I love the old CCD sensors as they do have a film look.

[@josiahvalentine3430]

I found our old camera in the house and now carry it with me everywhere. Much nicer form-factor than even a slimmer, mirrorless camera and nice for snapping quick photos throughout your day. I enjoy film, but definitely did not expect to be bringing the old digicam back out of the closet lol

[@film.fiasco]

lovely ones!!

[@daniele_trioni]

Hey there, I'm now shooting on a Canon PowerShot A710 IS. I'm in love with it, because of his settings and versatility, which can make really cool photos.

[@chacecampbell2697]

While the uptick in popularity is raising the prices of these cameras beyond what should reasonably be paid for them, I love seeing content that proves to people that you don't need to spend thousands, or even hundreds, of dollars on a fancy mirrorless to make stunning images. A few months ago I picked up an old fujifilm finepix z10fd, being part of the problem and paying a bit more than I should've because its decal was just unreal in the vibe department and I've been in love with it ever since. Here I was thinking that 7-megapixels would be laughably bad, but the little guy is a beast. I especially love the black and white filter for a super filmic look, beyond that adding just a bit of digital noise and light color correction / grading in post goes such a long way. I'm not a pro photographer but for my needs (instagram, small-mid size prints, visual design assets), it's plenty. Edit* there's a blue one on ebay right now going for about $80, smh *do not* pay that much for this camera. Look at other fd models, most will be comparable, try not to pay over $50, $30 is a sweet spot from what I've seen, if you'll make money using it, you do you and adjust accordingly.

[@shawnjadelabao618]

6-4 Megapixels and yet looked Cinematic

[@himmyneutron5769]

Really good video and killer photos

[@fiscalizacaoletterboxd]

great video, I just bought a Samsung WB850F and it was very inspiring!

[@jaycelewis2829]

Just picked up a 2008 sony cyber shot and im actually impressed at how good it holds up.

[@BrettAhoPhotography]

Really enjoyed the video and subject. I have been looking hard for an affordable and pocketable point and shoot. The colors on that Ricoh are quite nice. Cheers from Canada 🍁 Brett

[@wades_world22]

cool idea!

[@onghy]

Ricoh Caplio R1 was my 1st digital camera (phone with camera was an luxurious product during that day) what make this camera interesting is beside using it's dedicated rechargable battery, you can just use 2 AA battery instead.

[@theeramet.a]

Omg beautiful 📷🌨🌿🎞

[@bradybrown1210]

I love the canon power shot 1300

[@PoorviMittal]

Asked my mom today to give me her old Panasonic lumix, so excited to take cool shots soon. Loved your vid and photography.

[@nonechico]

Heck yeah now that digicams are finally getting some love film is gonna get more affordable

[@sufferingincorporatedtm1781]

i have an olympus 300 digital from jan 2003 (it's older than me lol), and i really like it because my parents used it al lot when i was really young and it actually takes pretty good pictures with a little effort. it's also all-metal, so it looks really nice and it's durable :)

[@lukenatewilson989]

I’m just now jumping on the 2000s digital camera trend. My dad gave me my mom’s old camera this week. It’s a Panasonic LUMIX DMC-TZ4. I’m honestly pretty impressed with it. I also have a Polaroid Snaptouch (circa. 2018) which I dug out of my drawer to play around with.

[@Skux720]

The blown out highlights, the digital date stamp, it's a whole-ass vibe, as the kids say

[@xsenpaiadventures]

I love the clear captures even you go to full zoom in canon powershots.

[@Dymond-qu8lh]

i have a canon ixus 700 i take with me almost everywhere its 7.1mp but can out perform most new cameras today just has this special charm about it that a few other similar cameras don't have

[@horizongrid]

Nice video mate 🙌🙌🙌

[@andyl4565]

Thanks very much for making this video. When I was transitioning to digital I started using Canon A400 series cameras and was really surprised at how clean and 'round' the photos were. The lack of a real viewfinder and poor quality LCD's were the only drawbacks. To be a good street photography camera though I think it would be better if they were black, but I'm not sure they made them that way.

[@daviehudson4270]

I done a lecture on vintage digital around 2 years ago as I’ve been shooting with them a long time now. I usually go for ccd about 5mp and I have a lot of them lol

[@arneheeringa96]

Since 2004 I shoot digital compacts for colour and continue BW on film with SLR's etc. Best digital compact I had was the first one, a Konica Revio KD420Z. Now I have a Nikon L27 that I shoot at 6 MP. Since 2,5 years I have a Lumix G2 too.

[@nico4631]

bought all 3 of them after watching this video. thank you!

[@davidvongries]

oh wow, let me know which one you like best! :) the one I gravitate to the most is the Ricoh Caplio R1 :)

[@jdenjames7506]

I have an olympus tough, canon sd1100 and ricoh grii. The pictures have a lot of flaws but has character to it with a nostalgic flavour.

[@gw2kman]

Just recently moved and found my old Sony Cybershot 6.0 Mega pixel. Really looking forward to taking it out and playing with it.

[@colespinjetsumaster]

i would watch an hour long video of you just walking around taking pictures its relaxing xD

[@tellstarrsixtwo7120]

I still use my Fujifilm FinePix F100fd, which I bought because it has a big sensor ( 1/1.6" ) for that price range. Don't know if that cam with 12 megapixels falls into that category, but it seems I have to use it also in the future, especially after checking latest cam prices 😄

[@hawaiifiles]

I have a small bunch of older digital cameras that I use quite often. My current favorite is Canon Powershot S95... also have a bigger super zoom... Canon Powershot S5iS... uses 4 AA batteries.... Canon Powershot G5... kind of like a rangefinder.

[@pickandstring]

I'm using the Olympus pen mini with a fixed 25 mm lens. It's great

[@kristaballs]

awesome video!!

[@VWLivin]

Nice video. My favorite to shoot with so far is my Canon Powershot Pro 1, 8mp. It's amazing! L glass!!

[@peterdavies9166]

I have a Kodak C743 camera (7Mp) that was one of the early cameras that I bought for my wife. The colors are typically Kodak and very pleasing. More recently, I picked up a few cameras at a local thrift store, each for around $5. One is a Pentax Optio E50 camera (8Mp) that gives nice results. Another is a Fujifilm A170 camera (10Mp) that I was very excited about. Unfortunately, I think they may have been pushing the limits on that sensor and the results are not as pleasing as those produced by the other two cameras. My favorite thrift store find was a Canon Powershot SX110is camera (9Mp). I like it so much that I often use it as my travel camera when I don't want to be taking my Fujifilm X-T20 camera with me. The lens is outstanding and the Canon colors are great.

[@peterphoto7732]

I bought my Olympus c-765 Camedia years ago, to try a digital camera. So then I bought a Fujifilm x100f I saw Daido Moriayama using a GR point and shoot. So I thought I'd start up my Olympus c-765 just to have some fun. Still works fine, nice pics.😊

[@potatolegend4882]

Just bought a canon powershot a420 yesterday. I’m not a photographer at all, but I want to get into it, looking forward to see what this thing can do

[@photossnap8903]

I do not know about your feeling. But for me, shooting photographs with old digital camera is very fun and have a lot challenging. I like your shoot.🤩

[@ibrokemyfingerbowlin]

Fun. That’s what these cams are.

[@tashaarr]

the way the exact same canon powershot has been in my house for ages... taking it out asap

[@VGScreens]

I recently shot on nothing but a PowerShot A400 for a few weeks after finding it in a box of old junk somebody had left for council garbage collection. I was expecting to use it similar to how I use my Mavica for that noisy early consumer digital look, but I was surprised with how good the results were from it, the images look better than a bunch of other cheap early point and shoots I've used over the years (and far better than early mobile phone cameras). Also, it takes AA batteries which I already have plenty of rechargeable ones, which is so much better than trying to get some crappy third party battery for old cameras. 10/10 would go through somebody's trash again. The silver front looks interesting too, so many people ask to look at it and think it's some rare collectable or something, haha nope.

[@DiestroCorleone]

Old digicams have its 'advantages', if you can call them that. I recently got a Sony DSC-S40, a camera I wanted to get back in the day but couldn't afford it because, well, I was in high school and I was broke, so... Anyway, I've been loving it so far. It's limited, yes, but those limitations force me to plan my shots more carefully and focus on composition and make use of natural lighting. If I need a quick picture, I'd probably pick my phone instead. But if I go on a walk around the city, most of the time I'm taking this camera with me.

[@DamirGl]

i don't write well in english... i live in russia and take pictures with different old cameras and it's very interesting experience. Many people think that old cameras have become obsolete, but I am completely sure that old cameras are an important step in the life of a photographer.

[@haleyelle]

really enjoyed this video!

[@davidvongries]

Thank you Haley! 😊

[@sbeckmesser]

Inspired by your video and after much digging I unearthed my Pentax Optio W10. 6 megapixels, 3x zoom, smaller than my phone and Fully Immersable! None of my otherwise weather-sealed Olympus MFT bodies, not to mention my phone, will operate fully submerged. The Pentax battery won't hold much of a charge but when a replacement arrives from Amazon I'm taking it to the NYC streets!

[@bebetochakraborty250]

Point n shoots are super portable for quick street photography... I got my Sony DSC W830 and it does its job more than expectation.... Great video pal . From India 🇮🇳

[@sebastianalemanpino8588]

Hola David me gusta tu estilo buscando los contrastes y las sombras,mi ultima adquisición fue una Olimpus SZ 17 muy compacta del año 2015 con 16 mp.También me gusta mucho mi canon Pow er Shot G2 con 4 mp y es del año 2000 es un juguete impresionante de la vieja escuela con colores muy sedosos bueno felicidades por tu canal y feliz navidad brhoter

[@DunkelRuhrOutdoors]

I use mostly old digicams. My favorites are the hole Kodak c series it has the typical Kodak look and ccd sensors are actually Analog sensors that works with an Digital impreter. You get the film like look and i like the Trend! It is cool to give this things a new purpose. Greetings from germany

[@azaz911c]

Which Kodak C Series camera do you prefer? I have been experimenting with a C653.

[@kishascape]

Umm all sensors use an ADC not just CCD.

[@DunkelRuhrOutdoors]

@@azaz911c c 530 is my favourite little cam

[@azaz911c]

@@DunkelRuhrOutdoors These Kodak C series cameras take great photos. I have achieved some very pleasing results.

[@dinobebo]

Hast dir aber auch eine echt schöne Ecke ausgesucht! Weiter so! Muss mal meine alte Rollei die ich seit 2011 habe wieder auspacken!

[@bojackhorsegirlbojackhorse199]

Dass ich mal erlebe, dass Aschaffenburg (meine Heimatstadt) so schön in Szene gesetzt werden kann! Danke dafür :) Unglaublich, wie die Zeit vergeht. Ich habe noch fotografiert mit Digicams in diesem Park, als sie gerade herauskamen :D

[@nattvaktenphotography]

This is interesting, I have at least 3 older compact digital cameras around I don't remember the exact models right now except one is a Minolta Dimage X something that was at release one of the fastest to start up with digital zoom. Sadly the battery is so worn out it only last a few pictures after fully charged. I'm definitely checking out your site and most likely register, I'm mainly into old Minolta 35mm film cameras from ~1970-00 and just loves my Nikon D3100 for digital.

[@presetlightroomfree2675]

Amazing 👌

[@neilpiper9889]

Nikon D40 has a ccd sensor. I use a 18 70 3.5 - 4.5 afs Nikkor lens on mine. I also use a 2005 8.1 megapixel Ricoh GR digital from 2005

[@Comrade_Millman]

Good video man

[@kevchavez]

Great video! This motivates me to use our Olympus digi cam again. Can you share what camera settings you used for all / most of the images in this video?

[@mkmariakristina]

i just bought a digicam from a live selling shop here and im still looking for a memory card. I got a memory card reader already. I like the Rico cam, really close to film outputs