4Runner TRD Pro Comparison - Westcott Designs Fox TRD Pro LIFT with BFGoodrich KO2s vs Stock TRD Pro

[@rccola525]

That’s the stance and look of how the PROs should come off the line.

[@thorsky2754]

It's a called pre-load collar and a shim. Billet aluminum, hard anodized, and it's awesome. I added it to my Bilstein 6112 to get the lift I wanted without maxing out the shock travel. This is nothing like a crappy strut top spacer.

[@westcottdesigns]

Thank you for your nice feed back! I don’t think people realize just how nice the kit is till they are holding it in their hand.

[@karkule5919]

Well he does have a top spacer too.

[@alexgamboa1576]

THANK YOU! This is extremely helpful as I also a 2021 4Runner Pro and have been trying what is the best lift for my vehicle, This is extremely helpful.

[@UntamedMotors]

Appreciate the feedback! Glad this video helped!

[@richardrichter2936]

I do plan on getting the same level lift from Westscott designs along with their roof rack. Been following them & like their design, passion & engineering of products! Thanks!

[@thorsky2754]

I've got all their stuff. It really is a little bit better than everything else on the market that's really good. He takes everything just up another notch as far as functionality or quality and strength.

[@scoobysid04]

How you liking them still? I’m about to buy some 😎

[@wayned3137]

Let me just say I’m a master tech with steering and suspension certified by NISSAN INFINITI, AUDI and Of course I have ASE as well and I worked for Toyota in the past. I’ll never install this type of setup on my vehicle. It changed the preload of the spring and decrease the suspension travel. As people may say it makes your vehicle handle better, yeah of course because you now have a stiffer ride. Toyota spent $$$$$ money on development and the engineer spent tons of hours and testing to find a balanced setup for the suspension. it’s not the best of one particular but most balanced for on and off the road. Really not the best way to lift a vehicle imho. There’re other options available might cost a lil more but you get it done the right way

[@a23wsonic]

What’s the best option? I have a 2020 trd pro. Looking to lift and get 285/70/17’s

[@jamesc6137]

Get the eibach spring kit. They make it for your 2020 pro. just spring change on all 4 corners.

[@zenofthemoment]

Can I ask what specifically, very technically concerns you, instead of just a ‘trust me bro’? Problem with other lifts is that they lift, but take away droop, causing an overall reduction in travel. This lifts less, but also adds droop by allowing the strut to fully extend. The benefit of 2” of lift over 3” is that your up travel is still limited by the bump stops, not the spring binding or rate increasing beyond what the 4Runner can fully compress. This appears to me to be a very good solution. Certainly better than 2-3” spacers on top, and equivalent to any other extended strut lift. Better, in fact, because you retain the factory tuned damping. I can’t speak from experience (yet), but my only concern with this Westcott lift is how much spring preload increases. If it’s a small amount, nbd. But if it’s more than about 10% increase, I’ll be concerned whether the dampers can control the added spring rate effectively. Less than 10% increase in stiffness and I don’t think it’ll make a significant difference due to the factor of safety engineered into the damper valving. So what don’t you like about it?

[@scoobysid04]

When you don’t understand what adjustable coil overs are 😂…….USED to work at😂

[@justahumbledude]

Nothing like communicating your dislike for the setup, say there's other better options, and then leave the chat with no additional information lol.

[@michaellloyd7940]

I just had my westcott designs lift installed today on my 2020 4runner trd pro. went with 285 / 70 /17 Falken Wildpeak A/T 3w instead of the BFG KO 2. I had KO 2s on FJ cruiser and they were fantastic on sand and snow, they were a great off road tire, but not so much on wet pavement and I could never seem to get them balanced I always had lots of vibration though the steering wheel. So far I'm pleased with the westcott designs pro lift and the Falken Wildpeaks, although I haven't thoroughly tested everything yet off road. I took a measurement before the westcott lift from the center of the wheel to the edge of the fender front and rear. Stock height which was 20 1/2 inches on the front and 22 inches on the rear. After the westcott lift the front was 22 1/2 and the rear was 23 5/8s. My 4runner sets level and has a little firmer ride not as much roll or dive, and I'm pleased with its new road manners, and it looks more aggressive with the lift and larger tires.

[@CarlosPradaRUn]

Have you experienced any rubbing?

[@michaellloyd7940]

@@CarlosPradaRUn yes there was some rubbing while backing up with the wheels turned at full lock. Very minimal. I removed the front mud flaps and ordered and installed some Rokblokz mud flaps and no more rubbing at all.

[@josemiranda3016]

Did you have to trim at all?

[@michaellloyd7940]

@josemiranda3016 no. I did not have to trim anything. With the stock mud flaps installed, there was minimal rubbing at full lock in reverse. If the stock mud flaps are removed, there is no rubbing.

[@CalebCissna]

It’s really interesting seeing the comparison between the two. I’m still interested in seeing the fuel mileage changes.

[@warlockdude12]

Once he lifts his truck and gets bigger tires, his MPG will go down around 1-3 miles per gallon

[@andyguo6700]

I have the same setup, I don’t see any difference at all with mpg

[@wrm787]

To the tenths decimal place, I went from 18.6 to 18.2 mpg with Westcott and 285 KO2 setup so basically no difference like what Andy said. I've taken it in for an oil change and regular maintenance with local Toyota and nothing has changed on my mpg. Hope this helps.

[@K_H-Channel]

@@wrm787 has the ride quality changed at all after getting the wescott trd pro lift? Any negatives? Thanks.

[@wrm787]

@@K_H-Channel no negatives and I actually like it way better on the ride quality just because I am sitting up just a little bit higher. All positives and do recommend it if you are trying to ease your way into the mod life or not wanting to spend a couple grand on suspension kits plus tires

[@codymac181]

Love that you made this video! I just purchased the Wescott lift and 285 K02's super excited to see how it turns out!

[@codymac181]

Did you order the white lettering on the K02's?

[@christopherhurst7477]

@@codymac181 They all have that I believe... just one one side... you can run them either way.

[@sha6mm]

I think I would like half of that lift as to go with 275 70 17R to save MPG

[@alanniahfisher]

Lifted definitely looks better. Overall I like both.

[@scoobysid04]

Just ordered mine for my 22 white pro. I also have the flag and raptors light……looks awesome 😎

[@UntamedMotors]

Awesome brother. Hope you like how it turns out!

[@scoobysid04]

@@UntamedMotors I heard the spacer help with noise dive and feels more sporty when cornering.

[@royf.2471]

shop around before you buy Westcott slider`s. RCI out of Colorado makes a superior product for maximum protection and their skid plate`s are fantastic protection(in steel).

[@rotorwind177]

Looks good with the lift!

[@domaroons]

Great comparison video! Thanks. How much did the overall height increase in the rear? Thinking of getting the same lift and tire size, but need to stay under 82" overall.

[@274408]

What about the spare tire, is that a 285 K02 as well under the truck ?

[@rommelrivera1186]

Looks awesome. This is leveling kit. I considered it but I am also a fan of the factory rake. Reason is that trucks look like they're taking a dump when you put weight in the back if they're leveled. To each their own. In the end, I chose to go with Eibach springs specially designed for the 4R TRD Pro with Fox shocks. I am very happy with the result, but this is of course an excellent option if you are looking for a leveled stance.

[@brucefxxx]

I spoke with the guys at Westcott. I feel the same as you. I like the factory rake. Westcott said you can leave out the front top plate. You get a little less lift in the front. 285’s still fit too.

[@rommelrivera1186]

@@brucefxxx Cool! Nice that they can customize it to suit your needs. I hear that they do a great job. Your truck will look perfect with 285s. Not too big or too small.

[@MojoSoDope90]

This has always been my main concern with lifts and not wanting any back end squat. Good to know!

[@GetOutThere301]

How much lift did that get you?

[@UtahNick71]

I have the Eibach springs for my Pro. Thats another option when they release them for the '21's.

[@williamluong2771]

Anybody do the wescott kit with eibach springs?

[@jamesc6137]

my 2022 has been getting through things OR just fine stock. I love the fox dual bypass suspension and how it feels off road…. decent even hitting square stuff at 15-20 mph. Good careful slow technical driving on more extreme off camber/Gullys and such pays off. spotter helps obviously. I just can’t get passed preloading that fox kit for more height….I mean the Westcott kit is a spacer kit for all practical purposes. Abiet, they do seem to be a class act and the the rock sliders i got from them are excellent!!

[@Patrick5]

I got the same fox shocks set but with eibach lift haven’t installed it yet on my 2020 orp.

[@UntamedMotors]

Nice! Let me know how they feel when you get em on. 👍

[@brucefxxx]

Eibach has not engineered the shocks for 2021 yet. If they do this is a great option since they are the OEM supplier

[@AZOverland2017]

Excellent video, thanks!

[@BGaud]

285's look so good on 4Runners. I just really don't want to remove mud guards or fender trim to fit them. I currently have the Bilstein 5100 1.75/1" spacer lift, but I really want to give Wescott a go. Any suggestions on what setup to go with?

[@wrm787]

Great question and you wouldn't need any trimming or removing with the Westcott plus the 285/70/17 combo. This is my set up on the left in the video and I did not do any removing of mudflaps or trimming to the body because there is no rubbing. Also check out some of the videos on Westcott Design YT page because they help talk it through with details as well.

[@scoobysid04]

Lose the flaps and ceramic coat everywhere

[@BGaud]

@@wrm787 so if I leave my Bilstein 5100’s in, but set them to factory height, remove the 1” rear spacers, I can then buy the Wescott lift and it will work with the Bilsteins?

[@wrm787]

@@BGaud I would contact Westcott because they will be better at answering your question. I am not that technical in this field, sorry!

[@BGaud]

@@wrm787 all good. Nice ride, btw!

[@paulmercado328]

wouldn't you need a longer shocks if you install spacers in the rear? thanks

[@ELSti]

The kit is for both the front and rear suspension

[@BruceWayne-xu5bj]

You would need the longer shock if you wanted to keep the same travel, and performance…

[@Hidlightreviews]

This is basically compressing the suspension, right? So you’ll end up diminishing the performance of the suspension by doing this?

[@c1arkj]

Perfect amount of lift.

[@brianbachmeier34]

First time viewer here. I am looking to buy a 4runner is the next couple of years. The bigger tires make a noticeable difference and would definitely go that route. Do the dealerships sell any that have been customized or does that have to be done by a third party?

[@UntamedMotors]

Some Toyota dealerships will offer these services. You can often do the buy 3 get 1 for a dollar deal on tires too… through Toyota. For example, Michael’s Toyota in Bellevue WA offers build services in theirs.

[@brianbachmeier34]

@@UntamedMotors Thanks. I appreciate it.

[@boistoys5451]

Lovely pair of white 4Runners. What is that thing in the trailer hitch of your friends vehicle? Any idea of who makes it? Thanks.

[@The6FigureAffiliate]

Very cool - wonder if the ride is a bit rougher since you're adding more pre-load to the springs. You can see the very bottom rung of the spring is close to binding metal on metal. Very cool though - will have to check out more on this set up.

[@UntamedMotors]

He did say it feels a bit stiffer... but not bad by any means. 👍

[@The6FigureAffiliate]

@@UntamedMotors Awesome

[@MrCherrygrovedude]

Pre-load doesn't stiffen the ride. That's a common myth.

[@snafumagu]

How much was the Wescott lift mod? Kinda want to do this to the Lunar Rock.

[@UntamedMotors]

$350 for the parts. Shop costs will vary (assuming you don’t do it yourself)... expect a shop to charge anywhere from $300-600...

[@wrm787]

Tires were definitely the biggest price biter for me in this setup while Westcott lift mod is the cheapest. I would suggest you buy from Westcott to avoid markup from 3rd party buying HOWEVER be careful I've heard certain garages won't touch any aftermarket parts if you buy it yourself. Call around and see what you can get but good luck on the build!

[@pierrep2649]

Looks awesome. Will it mess with the radar cruise?

[@UntamedMotors]

No it won’t impact the functionality of the radar

[@chrislindholmcre2277]

285s on the stock wheels? I thought 275 is the max width on the stock 7.5” trd pro wheels. Maybe only an issue if you’re airing down past maybe 15psi?

[@UntamedMotors]

Perhaps after airing down yeah… but I’ve never had an issue with 285s on stock trd wheels. Always been perfect.

[@DavidIJ]

How’s the performance off-road with the Westcott kit? I do light to medium off-roading.

[@timothycoe6571]

Hello. In this video are you still at the 20% tint. No windshield tint? Thank you

[@UntamedMotors]

Yes 20% no windshield tint

[@timothycoe6571]

Thank you sir. Appreciate all the content you put out. All the best

[@joejr9653]

With the lift is there something in the back too? Does this work with all trd pro suspensions? I wouldn't mind my 2020 tundra pro sitting a little higher.

[@UntamedMotors]

Westcott does offer the same 1.5in perch for the Tundra 👍

[@trd_addict77]

On this video, which wheels you prefer, the old TRD lifted 4R or the new TRD non lifted 4R

[@UntamedMotors]

New wheels 👌

[@trd_addict77]

Well, I just bought a set of the new wheels for my 4Runner. I will send you pictures to Instagram once they are installed.

[@Nickpayan]

What’s the height clearance my main concern is not being able to go into parking structures I do have a roof rack as well

[@RebeccaTiffany1]

What ground clearance does the one with the lift have? I’m trying to compare in relation to a bronco sasquatch

[@InGratitudeIam]

Why would someone go to the expense of lifting a vehicle, only to install (or keep) steps which negate the lift? Sliders would have been the right choice. Those steps will get caught on something on the trail. It's just a matter of time, unless they don't go off-road.

[@karkule5919]

Agree, plus it's possible for a kid or a woman with small feet to have a foot slip too far in and snap their ankle. It's a bad design and needs a stopper at the back end.

[@MKAK47]

The wescott kit is a spacer lift, to tell it like it is.

[@rickroel4994]

Damn. If you only had that awesome bull bar, yours woulda been better. 😂

[@JB-he1jt]

The reason Toyota makes the front suspension plush is to keep the daily street customers from complaining that is too stiff!!

[@richardneumann6891]

The TRD Pro suspension is designed for driving desert tracks and forest roads with good control and comfort as compared with many other stock and modified off-road vehicles with stiffer suspensions.

[@shaunp1725]

you should have shown yours, stock, vs "his" so we can see the difference.

[@adammahomed9529]

Do you know what the height of the TRD Pro is with the Wescott lift and BFG KO2 285s? Do you know if a diff drop is needed with the Wescott lift on a 4R TRD pro?

[@samuelrowland76]

Why do you have a Florida license plate on your 4Runner?

[@UntamedMotors]

DMV up here is backed up 25 weeks. The dealership I purchased the 4Runner from just sent me their metal plate so I didn’t have to roll around on a long expired temp tag. Most dealers can only issue two 30 day temp tags per vehicle... my previous two have long expired. So they were nice to send me this until my plates come in the mail. 👍

[@kota11334]

Did your friend do the lift in the rear also ? If so how many inches ?

[@RCGJR_]

So wait you need the fox shocks that comes with the pro to install the wecott kit? I can’t use it on my sr5?

[@westcottdesigns]

We make it for all the models now. It works the same way and you get the same results. It really enhances the road quality.👍

[@RCGJR_]

@@westcottdesigns sweeer! ❤️

[@ACE_.]

I like stock Trd pro better bc I have one too lol 19 BLK Trd pro loving it! Not need to do any lift etc...

[@michaelutley]

I've done this to my Tacoma's and 4runners. While the Tacoma Looks better with the slightly higher lift, the 4runner does not need it. It looks great @ its current height. You're also risking tire rub. I've put on the same lift on multiple tacos and 4runners and you will rub. It will not happen in a parking lot, but it will occur on the trail and even daily driving while turning/hitting a bump or dip. MPG's go down and handling is affected @ highway speeds. It's not worth it on the 4runner.

[@skalien51]

Difference appears very subtle & I really love that. I want to do the same to my 4R, hopefully soon. Does anyone have any idea the cost to purchase & install?

[@UntamedMotors]

The tires are anywhere from $1000-1300... the. The Westcott perch is $350... labor for install is anywhere from $400-600.

[@skalien51]

@@UntamedMotors thank you! I think I’ll enjoy my 4R stock for a while & learn it’s capabilities first. Nevertheless, his mods looks sick.

[@dominica2765]

Thanks for the video personally myself I don’t like wheel spacers or spacers for the suspension I have a 2020 Tundra pro and I just ordered all new icon suspension 3.0’s upfront 2.5’s in the rear carrying a lot of weight be blessed my friend

[@ExtraTvingest1]

save some money and get the Westcott lift.

[@dominica2765]

Don’t do spacers fox suspensions too soft for my build need to take it to the next level thank you

[@ExtraTvingest1]

​@@dominica2765These are preload, but I agree on the suspension they are a bit soft.

[@dominica2765]

Yeah it’s too bad cause a fox is pensions pretty nice I live on the road full-time out of my truck and trailer just added pop-up camper need to beef up the suspension a little leaf springs as well nothing like spending money be blessed

[@Jorge_moya]

Will these fit on the fj cruiser?

[@RCW7373]

I installed the Westcott lift on my 2020 Tacoma TRD Pro and my front suspension was 1 inch higher in the front then the rear after installation by the local Totota dealer. They have the worst costumer service ever. At my expense, I had to fix the issue. I have 285 KO’s with white letters out, love that look. I didn’t want a tail dragged.

[@jrgonzalez4962]

What did you do to fix the issue?

[@RCW7373]

@@jrgonzalez4962 I removed the Westcott supplied front spacer which made it level front to rear. Thanks for your question.

[@Jpp2642]

any tire rubbing?

[@pjrodriguez9755]

Interesting I never noticed your florida plate ?

[@UntamedMotors]

It’s the dealer’s plate... The DMV up here is backed up 25 weeks apparently so instead of rolling around on a long expired temp tag, they sent me their metal dealer plate until mine comes in the mail. Shouldn’t be much longer.

[@zeeshanamin6243]

Do you think this will void the warranty ? Looks like the compression on the coil spring increases . Not sure if it’s offset by the same allowance up top . Looks great though , I’m thinking about it too .

[@UntamedMotors]

I don’t believe so. I’m having mine done by a toyota dealership... so I’m confident they wouldn’t do it if it did.

[@zeeshanamin6243]

Awesome . I’m gonna do the same That setup looks great .

[@andyguo6700]

@@UntamedMotors how much are Toyota charging for the install. you just wondering

[@UntamedMotors]

@@andyguo6700 $550

[@andyguo6700]

@@UntamedMotors that feels a little steep. I got mine done for 300

[@gabeah]

Makes way more sense to get a TRD Off Road and then upgrade to King Suspension. You save thousands from paying for Pro badging and parts that need to be upgraded, such as skids, and you wind up with Baja tested remote reservoir suspension that is light years better than that Fox with a spacer setup. Only time it makes sense to get a Pro is if you’re doing zero mods.

[@UntamedMotors]

I agree if you’re going to swap out the entire suspension, don’t get a Pro.

[@brianmead6053]

What's the price on that setup?

[@UntamedMotors]

$400 for the kit. Then another $300-700 to install it if you go to a shop.

[@spencerclark4235]

Westcott gets a lot of heat bc they say its a lift but it acts and looks like a spacer? anyone know more about this :)

[@UntamedMotors]

I mean it’s a spacer... that lifts the ride height with stock TRD Pro suspension... so it’s just a play on words lol.

[@spencerclark4235]

@@UntamedMotors okay thanks saved me some time from looking into it :)

[@scottdavies9336]

I also have a white 4Runner however mine is a 1998 with a TRD supercharger and a manual transmission. As long as Toyota refuses to put the manual back in their new 4Runners, I will be looking elsewhere.

[@h60flyer]

Pro tip: take off the stupid dealer stickers.

[@UntamedMotors]

Haha I always do. Since mine is small and chrome -I haven’t felt the need to make it a priority with the 4Runner here. They’ll be off soon though 👌🏻