Stripper interview-Leona

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[@graysonofyahweh]

The one thing I love about all of these interviews is the diversity. Pimps, prostitutes, career criminals, drug addicts, functioning drug addicts, Klan members, etc. I feel like they should show these in school. When I was a kid I was very judgmental towards people on drugs until someone very close to me became an addict. I always hear it now when people talk about it well maybe they “should’ve” or “could’ve” did this or that… some people have nobody but the drugs that they indulge in. Thanks Mark for showing us stories and humanizing people it’s really interesting, humbling, and important that you’ve taken the care to document all of these things 100% to their likeness no edits or input that would distract us from their stories.

[@aubreygillis9477]

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[@aubreygillis9477]

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[@brandonratcliff3065]

It takes all kinds..

[@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777]

it would be at least a 50/50 split in 2023 of which child raised on the digital screens would adopt this lifestyle and those that would reject it. Wondering if you think those are good odds. They are already being pushed the lie of 'you can be whatever gender you want' at 8 years old.. . Maybe you haven't given it much though.

[@Townie7177]

No such thing as functioning addict

[@gregorybrent8437]

Very unaware. I understand her rational for stripping but most women in this occupation do it out of necessity or past abuse. A lot of the strippers are looking at her and saying to themselves “if I had your choices I would but doing better”. That is real

[@Lifeishard237]

Exactly my sentiments

[@mandyg8022]

Yet she is there beside them trying to improve the industry. She is a realist who knows it isn't going away (and is even valuable) so why not make it safer and more lucrative for the workers?

[@stephendeluca4479]

@@mandyg8022 Stripping is already quite lucrative, according to the women Mark has interviewed on this channel.

[@AliciaM5555]

For sure. I think maybe at first taking your clothes off for strangers can be empowering but at the end of the day demeaning because you are objectified.

[@mandyg8022]

@@stephendeluca4479 nothing is as lucrative as not having someone else take a cut or dictating when and how you work. Did you not hear the part when she said that strippers who sue over their employment terms and conditions tend to win? She wants to change things so they don't have to sue in the first place.

[@anfisakiryanova4552]

I believe her when she says this is something she wants to do. She’s 30, didn’t start until her mid 20’s, has a supportive family, has other options, etc. I support her for these reasons. Unfortunately many strippers began as teens barely out of high school and had no other choice.

[@sj9410]

@@nikk_nobody awww have you been turned down trying to ask out a stripper 🤣

[@jayreed2590]

@@sj9410 bruh you literally just need a couple hundred dollars no one is stressing rejection from a stripper 😭😂😭

[@maskarah8988]

@@jayreed2590 you know damn well that ain’t true. So many men get so heart broken by rejection from literally anyone. That’s all it takes to ruin one of y’all’s lives. Men be ready to cut their wrists open after rejection from strippers. That’s Probably this dudes issue. Male insecurity is a MF 😒

[@gvn1048]

@bw been swirling since 1462 Because there are psychos over there and women who aren't ready to kill..a sexual worker always needs to carry weapons.

[@twerplingsboutique1827]

I can tell by this comment you've never worked in the sex industry. Which is great. But I have, in the high end aspect of the business. People who do this type of work HAVE to be good salesmen. They are used to lying to clients, family, and themselves about how this type of work makes them feel.

[@QUESTgarage]

The nervous laughter and mental gymnastics are hiding a deeper story imo

[@agatainventio9464]

I hope she won’t meet some predatory guy who’ll notice that too, tell her some stories about empowerment and use her

[@benshoemaker1318]

What? You don’t think being greasy men’s eye candy is empowering?

[@88vandal1]

Good observation. There's something there. I see alot of diversion and deflection in her voice, almost like she's over compensating. She has alot to say, but unable to talk about it. And of course, I could be wayyy off.

[@the_gold_canopy]

Came here to watch another episode of SWUB. Completely distracted by another KZbinr, trying to figure out what later was identified as a really cool orange spider on a finger. 🤔

[@daisycocoa2557]

She’s going to open her own club

[@giladfreidkin4369]

To be honest I fail to see how stripping can be 'empowering' to women. All it does is objectify women's body. Women are welcome to do whatever they want and to not get judged for it, but it's not empowering, at least in my mind.

[@Sickerror]

They are welcome to do whatever they want, but everyone is allowed to judge them if they choose to. I guess they believe its empowering in the sense that often men objectify them when they're going about life and have no control over it, but here they get paid and choose to show off their bodies? To me it also doesn't make much sense but trying to see it from their perspective

[@mrs.sprayberry9977]

LOL right??!! I was watching this video and she literally says that strippers provide “love, physical touch, connection and all that” but most of the men that are you “clients” are MARRIED OR IN RELATIONSHIPS!!!!! Like wtf kinda logic is that honestly one of my least favorite interviews this girl just wants to fuck anyone and make herself seem like the good guy for doing that

[@donsolo7860]

That’s the fail safe justification when the real reason is something petty or tragic. She seems like a okay person but I didn’t buy the “empowerment” when she stuttered saying it.

[@PicaPauDiablo1]

The power dynamic and very large income are pretty empowering for most strippers. If they avoid drugs the money is huge

[@PicaPauDiablo1]

@@Sickerror men pay them huge amounts of money to look at them and pay them to talk. So yah

[@gtmonyfckbtchs]

I never heard anybody try to justify something so hard in my life

[@mrs.sprayberry9977]

Right???!!! Like she had a good education and she couldn’t used it for something but instead she decided that she wants to be lazy and use her body because men are easy and then she tries justifying it so much trying to say that strippers provide “love, physical touch, a connection and other shit” when most of your clients ALREADY HAVE SOMEONE FOR THAT!!!!!

[@elonlovesyou]

Agreed, she just loves the easy money. She's average at best.

[@readmore4178]

Keep watching this channel. Many would rather rationalize a behaviour than change it.

[@droxk9235]

@@mrs.sprayberry9977 nah deadass i heard “love” and was like ik she ain’t just say that

[@JedMN]

Right? I couldn’t get through it

[@DeViLzzz2006]

Got my popcorn ready before reading the comment section for this one.

[@gailflora1835]

I came to comments quickly. Lol.

[@MisterMarmite3652]

@@gailflora1835same, only 2 mins in!

[@ryansack5198]

I really don't get how any woman could be in the mindset that being a sex worker is empowering.. it has to be a lie they tell themselves in order to cope..

[@LadyAngela678]

A big ass lie. This girl was talking herself in circles.

[@kkaayyllaaf]

Agreed

[@MisterMarmite3652]

She’s a privileged white chick rebelling against her parents. I’d be interested to hear what her coworkers think of her, whether she speaks like this at work about endemic misogynistic paradigm and her “deterministic worldview”…. What a tourist.

[@kristinbarnes2710]

All I hear is her desperately trying to justify something she’s not even happy about. Actually a sad interview.

[@simplyme9016]

Tryin her best to explain it away....

[@Dr.Momodu]

Ain't nothing like another morning watching another episode of Soft White Underbelly.

[@lovelymess1019]

Same.... Literally gets me out of bed every morning. I look forward to it more than my morning cup of coffee.

[@nikkid2926]

Every day 🥰

[@melancholyman369]

Quick dose of reality bro

[@aren1998]

Here i get notifications at 6 pm everyday

[@kristiskinner8542]

I doubt hers is soft, she has abdominal muscle definition & a lot of strippers are in good shape (you have to be if you do a lot of pole work). I wont even wear bikinis but if I was that pale I would be in a tanning bed fairly often just to wear shorts, but she's very fair skinned so she proably burns a lot more/better than she tans

[@theylied1776]

The one common threat that I've seen with several of these stripper and sex worker interviews is that they were told by their parents that stripping and sex work was basically evil. And these jobs became forbidden fruit to them. When you do that with rebelius people, you are directly challenging them to prove YOU wrong. Also, a lot of these strippers and sex workers have said, "this lifestyle isn't for everyone, if you're not strong enough, this way of life will break a bitch".

[@RyanREAX]

Their fault. Their parents were right.

[@theylied1776]

@@RyanREAX Their decision, princess. They're NOT victims.

[@RyanREAX]

@@theylied1776 they are both victims and perpetrators. The men who go there are the problem.. no money = no honey.. the woman go who there are the problem too. No woman = no spending.

[@agathachris9722]

The only thing I've seen in common with all strippers is horrible childhood, horrible parents.

[@theylied1776]

@@RyanREAX In order for them to be victims there would have to be (force or fraud). So how are they victims? Is English your second language?

[@UToobin75]

Here's the thing. It doesn't matter how many degrees you might have or how above the fray you think you are, within the confines of the club, all the customers want the same thing from you, and they're not picking & choosing based on your perceived intelligence.

[@jeniferpeace9600]

🎓

[@erica4you]

She lost me at they provide love... baby you know damn well yall don't love the men you dance an "sex work" for hell tell the truth.. it's about the money..

[@Rustie_za]

you misunderstand her definition of love, it is not the same love you are probably referring to.

[@tambourine36]

She did sewing for a friend. In the industry of film. I think this is really her passion. And this is a stepping stone. Hopefully we see her on the red carpet someday

[@khalilahd.]

I love that you always start these interviews with compassion. The livable wage is becoming less and less frequent in the US and if she found something that works for her and pays her bills Its her decision. this just shows that even if you have a good upbringing it doesn’t always translate to traditional success. Great interview Mark

[@louisianaherb2803]

It's time to start you a channel mom

[@lacha608]

It really is a.sign of the broad decline of the American system.

[@kevinr8431]

But there is the moral question

[@Lovereignsupreme]

The reality for most interviewee's.

[@RealmCenter40]

@@kevinr8431 They seem to mostly be living in a world dictated by fuzzy logic. Complaining about dealing with men who are “pigs and a-holes” while being a stripper would be like going in astronomy and saying there’s too much outer space in the field.

[@benchops2004]

"They provide emotional support, physical touch, love....." Uh...if you have to pay to be loved then I don't think you understand the meaning of the word. What's so interesting about this show, is that so many people try so hard to justify their choices, not even realizing that they are destroying their chances at a long and healthy life.

[@oggyboggy8692]

There are different kinds of love. You have one view on it, it's not the only one.

[@laceyanna7912]

Sometimes, you need to meet people where they are. Lessons in love can come from everywhere and anywhere. 💓

[@oggyboggy8692]

@@laceyanna7912 Yeah. In my opinion loving someone can be listening to them and giving them support, whatever complexities surround their problems. Love doesn't need to be a constant thing which only exists in long term relationships, it can be an act of giving.

[@MPK112233]

I don't see how paying a woman for a false sense of interest equates to love. Men are playing themselves right into the game if they believe that simp shit. She said it herself, she hates cheap men that won't spend at least $100 per hour. That's love?

[@arealious25]

@@MPK112233 💯

[@Wholesome_Hans]

Yeah, I'm not buying it. Stripping/selling sex is not "empowerment."

[@RawOlympia]

it is not, you are right, interview her in ten years and you will get a bitter pill.

[@realhollywood]

Legit said feminism is the reason why she started stripping… feminism caused her to seek out being objectified 😂😂

[@presleyfamily]

Perhaps the excitement of being a star as an athlete created a need to keep the admiration coming after it all stopped when she finished high school and college.

[@sirvixsmasher]

track star glory lol

[@michellelee8933]

You make a very valid point.

[@elijahgavin6706]

Fiending for that attention dopamine hit is a practice all too familiar to many young women in this day and age.

[@lianaalston52]

Maybe part of it, I guess. Also, sounds like, the camaraderie and the income. Her stated reasons are very rational. From where I sit, the only thing she seems to clearly lack is shame. And that’s a good thing.

[@BelleTolles]

Great way to just try to pigeon hole and judge a complex person.

[@ericathegypsy4946]

I was a dancer for almost 15 years. Stopped like 8 years ago. Just wasn't who I was anymore,and dancing is a young girls game. Seen some bad stuff,and done some things I'm not proud of. Danced in like the same club all that time. Went to a few others in the area on and off too. Lucky for me I don't live in a big city,so was always safe where my home club was. I'm a complete different person now then I was then,but it is a learning lesson. Love the content,Blessed Be to you and Leona. :)

[@randymarsh9488]

Yeah it's definitely a young woman's game and takes a toll on your body. My friend married a stripper. When they got together she stopped stripping. I asked her about it and she said she would get some rude customers sometimes and grinding on the pole was bad. She never did private dances when she was dating

[@aaronm.3581]

Plenty of older woman making bank.

[@RealmCenter40]

You can’t go to a strip club with $50? As an ex-stripper can you vouch for that? I don’t think I’ve ever spent more than that at any strip clubs 🤔

[@charlotte_stevens]

I'm widowed and just getting out of a crappy relationship. Anyway, I'm here to confirm there are a lot of cougars and plenty of cubs 🤪🤭

[@RealmCenter40]

@@charlotte_stevens I hope those two things didn’t happen simultaneously 😳

[@BuddhatheRockstar]

I love her confidence and how grounded she is.

[@a.d.baebee]

She’s either being severely disingenuous or the clubs she’s worked at only hire a certain type of girl, so she’s ignorant to the life of the VAST MAJORITY of strippers. You and those of whom you work with are the anomaly of strippers. I will not demean the strippers and ex strippers that I know, but it’s not glitter and rainbows with sprinkles of “woman empowerment.”

[@573semobulls3]

She seems a little delusional doesn't she ? Walking around naked is not empowering it's degrading she seems very young while book smart oblivious to the actual lifestyle she's in and that danger is lurking around her all the time I'd like to see a update on her in a couple of years ....

[@Carlos-in6ko]

If you listen closely you’ll soon realize that she speaking mostly about her experiences and her view of what she does in her life your work is what you make of it and that’s kind of the message she’s sending without even saying it

[@gulfgypsy]

Agreed. There's a line between being 'empowered' and being 'exploited and with lots of rationalization and manipulation involved.

[@rc261]

Her degree is definitely in gender studies

[@ejackson21]

Humanities: vocabulary ~ puritanical traditions, hypocrisy, circuitous conversations, labor laws (AB5 laws), unionization, etc.

[@clare5687]

😂😂 most def

[@ApostleDavidETaylor]

Why did she say “Puritanical” when just “Puritan traditions” would have sufficed?

[@Jasahaful]

That explains why she can't get a better job

[@cliffthecoolcat]

Haha

[@lovelyladyguido]

LEONA, we tried to unionize in the N.W. Oregon, Washington and Alaska back in 1985 thru 87. We did get paid 5.00 to 10.00 an hour depending on which state but, as soon as we pushed for unionization girls went missing. We were threatened, beat up and raped. I quit trying to rally and push forward with this and I joined the Army as a nurse. If I had stayed? I would've been killed. For wanting a proper wage, medical and a 401k. Be careful. Please! You are a bright, beautiful young woman. I wish you the best.

[@jujujouet7944]

Contrary to Leona's claim that she's not a good salesperson, my opinion is that she's skilled in the techniques that great salespeople excel in. Namely, persuasion, confidence, pitching a vision of the product, rapport building, eye contact, preparation and making a point. She's selling her vision of stripping as a career and appears to truly believe in what she's saying. More power to her for having the conviction to do what her heart feels is right for her at this time in her life.

[@atrain9042]

🎯🎯

[@neilsonsmith6798]

SMOKING HOTT!!!! SHE LOOKS SO comfortable IN HER OWN SKIN half NAKED!!!

[@cmathews5909]

Jouet, not really her vision. In Germany and Scandinavia, sex work is a protected above board career, and with her education she's probably aware that there is another way to do business.

[@frankthecat]

She’s a stripper. lol

[@markblas4822]

The politicians um they’re hypocrites and um are bad.

[@trackgurl123]

I wish she could have just said “the money is great and that’s why I’m doing it.” Lolol. But anyway, I was also a runner (middle school-college), have a degree, had a decent upbringing have a full time job and I STILL want to be a dancer. No trauma. No drugs. I literally love dancing in general and to get paid for it, hell yeah.

[@AyeDatgurlYvett3]

Right. Trying to act like she’s doing research

[@chrissycopeland8064]

Is it hard to find avenues of dancing as a profession without stripping?

[@rosegoldfuxngoddess9007]

And Rice University is a prestigious school in Houston..then she say been stripping for 5 years

[@trackgurl123]

@@chrissycopeland8064 Yeah, I’m sure there is! She could also be a go go dancer. Which that would be cool too.

[@invaderjaymz]

@@rosegoldfuxngoddess9007 yeah. But their football team blows ass

[@rogerrobin2774]

Um, I’m sorry, but “love” is not something one gets at a strip club or from a prostitute. Maybe some other things, but not love.

[@Hsandov8175]

Feminism has convinced this woman that exposing and degrading herself for money is empowering. I feel for her parents.

[@GettinUp]

21st century feminism that is

[@tatianalovdrikova7144]

So true. It's so sad how distorted the meaning of feminism is today...

[@readmore4178]

And feminists did it by taking over the schools and entertainment industry. This girl is just repeating what has been poured into her head by powerful, left wing, institutions. And they made her believe that SHE is the “free thinker”.

[@NeiveVeve]

She is on the front lines of misogyny and taking the brunt of it for the rest of us? No, she is just making it harder for the rest of us. I wish she knew the difference between real feminism and "fake woke" feminism. She could be amazing.

[@RawOlympia]

these empowered type strippers get really bitter later on - the activist types.

[@Wholesome_Hans]

How exactly is it you combat misogyny while taking off your clothes for money? I think we're just making up new definitions at this point. I've never been to a strip club because the concept is degrading and disrespectful.

[@MPK112233]

It's what she needs to do in order to justify what she is doing. I don't think she isn't worthy of being respected because she is a stripper, but glorifying it could be destructive to vulnerable young women.

[@gvn1048]

I don't know how women can combat misogyny by having sex for free or having kids for free 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♂️ however I respect every woman's decision and mind my own business.

[@christahewitt2758]

My sister was a stripper/dancer for many years and has also done political advocacy work around improving conditions for sex workers in our state.

[@765southside6]

Holy shit! Rice is a great track school. She definitely has the build of a middle distance runner. Another great interview, as always, not what I was expecting.

[@cheycheyfriend247]

Yep I saw her and I noticed that she looks athletic. Not a lot of strippers I know look as athletic as her

[@njamba]

Rice University is a great school; they call it "The Harvard of the South"

[@Fuq2]

She has a standard mom bod lmao.

[@CapAnson12345]

I've been trying to see if she has any info out there but the closest I can find is Heather Olson, who's about the same age, and about as good as Leona says she was, but I don't think they look that much alike.

[@mattc3152]

@@CapAnson12345 I'm almost positive that's her. The ears and nose are exactly the same and they have the same mole at the base of the neck. The rest of the differences can be attributed to weight gain, makeup, and hair style.

[@shaolinfu7427]

Imagine raising this girl, watching her excel in both academics and sports, goes off to college and gets her degree only to wind up a stripper. What a monumental disappointment.

[@warrendarable]

Yep, at a top 10 private college too.

[@idorus]

go tell the other women on this channel who sell their bodies for $20 on the corner that they are being empowered

[@sparklebutt1119]

I don't know why but I feel this is the least genuine interview I have seen on this channel. Something very off putting about her.

[@soniashivakoty1461]

The way she said strippers are down to earth because they dont have to act pure and nice is what hit me, the fact that we strive so much to be nice and everthing but inside we all are not so nice people and we shame strippers who are actually just real people.

[@manu3281]

The distorted rationale of delusions is thick with this one!

[@mariuss.6607]

Brainwashed into being empowered

[@heighton7206]

Yessssss

[@kutya1012]

Are tring to sound special or something? I suspect you are not

[@manu3281]

@@kutya1012- You joined 8 years ago Kutya and you have no subscribers so I would definitely call you special! 🤡

[@user-rb7ns9yj5y]

The problem with stripping and sex work is patriarchal. It's all based around the male gaze and misogyny. With dehumanizing and degrading pornography for instance, who produces and watches this? Men. Maybe a good question would be what would the sex industry look like based on the female gaze or perspectives? The future (if we have one) needs to be feminine and empathy based. Clearly men cannot be in charge anymore as we are sitting here looking at 2 or 3 generations of humans before complete collapse. Sad world. 😔

[@dabbeatles]

Agreed. It's garbage.

[@katerinapsychi3996]

Sex is a power game. Paid sex is a lost game, nothing wrong but so so boring.

[@ramirgeddon]

Mark, everything about your content is amazing. The life story shared by your guest is very humbling. I also appreciate the way you shot these interviews and i realized this watching one of your previous content - that you shoot your guest from the Bottom looking up. In my opinion, that is classy and a thoughtful way of elevating them from the stigma that society has on them. More power and all the best to all your guest.

[@luismart7714]

I have an app that deletes the “ums” from videos. After running this one thru it, it lasts 2 minutes.

[@cch9680]

🤣🤣

[@drumbum3.142]

Do You (also) have an app that deletes attention deficit ("disorder") comment(s) like this(,?)

[@MC-fw5vt]

Why are you running her down when she's obviously extremely intelligent, knows her own value and is in control of her life. Does that threaten you in a woman? It does for many.

[@rotomwash0355]

People who haven't experienced life damaging stuff making fun of those that have...makes me feel sad for you. And glad that you apparently haven't suffered brain changing, language changing traumas.

[@luismart7714]

@@rotomwash0355 wow!!! You dissected my personality and know my life story by reading a 3-line comment. You are a genius!!!

[@mcmelissa6062]

She says stripping is empowering, yet then states they're on the front line of misogyny. How is being used by men empowering. Im a little confused.

[@MC-fw5vt]

This woman is extremely different from all of the other strippers interviewed here. She is extremely articulate, sober, centred, educated and ambitious. Very interesting.

[@MrQuicksclass]

So working at Macy's and dancing naked in front of perverts who have no respect for women is the same. 🤔 Ok, I get it.... Makes sense....

[@cristinalicas1191]

yeah tired of these girls glorifying sex work..

[@urgentcaredr]

I agree with this lady! I used to be a stripper. She is on point! I did it for 7-8 years and then became a family nurse practitioner at an ivy league university. I had a great family growing up. I went into it because I never wanted to be broke lol. It was empowering for me. She is on point, that’s all I’m saying 😊 people can change their life. I broke many barriers. 🎉 great channel! I am giving everyone here good energy ❤

[@user-kw8tr7fw1n]

How is it empowering to sell your body for men to sexualize

[@suje8032]

Bs

[@jeremybalizenter2896]

Intelligence is not determined by your ability to articulate but your ability to make good decisions.

[@pumpkinface8151]

For being as smart as she is, she is very naive and disillusioned. You can even tell in her tone that she is stumbling and unsure of the convictions she's trying to stand up for.

[@cristinalicas1191]

yup agreeed.

[@moblack5883]

It’s something she is hiding. The facts that she was working retail after college tells me she has a Bull 💩 degree that doesn’t garner much income.

[@francescasaunders1020]

REGARDING BEING A STRIPPER....... SOME THINK IT IS OK, OTHERS SWEAR IT IS WRONG, BUT LEAVE THE PERSON ALONE AND AFTER YEARS OF EXPERIENCE HE / SHE WILL DECIDE HOW RIGHT OR HOW WRONG IT REALLY IS. EXPERIENCE IS A COMB THEY GIVE YOU AFTER YOU'VE TURNED BALD.

[@Trh1]

WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT US

[@dqreps]

You can tell just by looking at her that she was probably a good athlete. She just has a real athletic physique. Hopefully she can find some more of that fire inside again. Good luck kiddo.

[@dertythegrower]

Athlete? Have been to florida or south cali ever in your life for more than 6 months? Just wondering.

[@Mf7d89]

She's built like a swimmer

[@dertythegrower]

No disrespect but strippers take the easy road in life, I've talked to literal pregnant strippers in Miami so believe me ive gone down this road lol... (just saying, get out more)

[@YoMama9021]

Wow you’re Disillusioned. And didn’t hear a goddamn word she said

[@YoMama9021]

@@dertythegrower Sorry about those pregnant strippers you met you must’ve met a lot. But not every stripper is pregnant and desperate and stupid. Also sex sex trade has always been a thing always

[@bigmike9558]

She is educated, speaks wells and in shape. People that look down on someone like her need to look into the mirror. She is more Fit than me, and seems more Intelligent too. So i can’t judge her nor say anything negative. I’m impressed by her intelligence, and physical ability

[@a.wanderer5006]

Right on but the naivety she has is scary. If she is kidnapped, drugged and gang raped walking out of work one day I doubt she would continue to have such a rosy view of it.

[@jenny2tone242]

@@a.wanderer5006 That could happen to any woman, leaving any job.

[@a.wanderer5006]

@@jenny2tone242 Oh course but to think that dancing around naked for work doesn't put you in more potential danger than working the deli at Whole Foods is delusional.

[@rosannacellini2158]

I'm sure she is happy with her career, and I don't look down on her. But if people don't agree with this lifestyle, they are not wrong to have their own opinion. Same goes for everyone else that's interviewed, here. I hope she stays safe, because she seems like a really nice girl.

[@leahflower9924]

Of course there are disgusting men that don't have money....did I mention this is another form of feminism? Stop lying woman! 🤦

[@ckh2815]

"It's mostly frustrating when men are cheap", "There are disgusting men that come in that don't want to spend any money" Perfect example of getting a degree in Gender Studies and then discovering that there's absolutely no market, desire or need for their qualifications.

[@BroMark1611]

One can get a degree in Gender Studies? LOL I'm 71. Somebody just shoot me.

[@quickstepz9250]

America should add, common sense for a degree.

[@tigress725]

Narcissistic men usually have contempt for women due to a cold mother. I have much experience with these types. And yes, they are stingy. Their only crypto-night is a young stripper / sex worker.

[@RawOlympia]

@@BroMark1611 I am so jealous you were unaware of that!!! My whole dumb town is based on that!

[@pandemonthenolife]

I can totally understand it, and I have no idea why would you put gender studies (not her case) into the mix. It's obvious that going to particular places it is expected that you have some money on you. It's her time, they are taking her time, strippers aren't exactly paid per hour, so it's obvious she may be frustrated with a customer who at the end just paid the entrance and just wanted to look at some tits for free for the rest of the time and not allow the girl to earn money with someone who's actually willing to spend that money. Having been with a stripper in a relationship, from her experience it turns out that those who come with almost no money tend to be the most arrogant, condescending, and feeling-entitled kind of people. But maybe you're right, just my perspective.

[@kevinr8431]

I wonder if she would encourage her own daughter to do this work

[@chadmcclain3462]

Well that' sounds stupid. 🤦🏿👎🏾🤷🏿

[@kevinr8431]

@@chadmcclain3462 Well, when I see this woman and listen to her story, my first reaction is I wish I could sit down with her, have a cup of coffee and encourage her to move on from that lifestyle.

[@throw1down]

Lmao she’s defending sex trafficking because it affect sex workers overlooking the fact that young kids are kidnapped and forced into that bs industry. She’s clueless

[@hellothere3097]

White privileged SJW

[@zplapplap]

In no way did she defend sex trafficking. You’ve made that up completely. Cite to a time in the video if I’m mistaken.

[@rubymeagher1005]

I think she is a fine young lady. However, her desperate try to gain respect and justify the selling of a woman’s body fell short. She is in this for the money and the attention period. Why work for retail when you can make so much more money in sex work…..bottom line. Mark, congratulations on your success. The site is gratefully eye opening. Thank you

[@lazlopwent7960]

I served twenty years in the Army. I do not see SW's as any different than soldiers. We sell our time and body for violence; they sell their time and money for comfort. One is seen as a hero and one as a disgrace. It's a sad world...

[@MPK112233]

@@lazlopwent7960 so she should be regarded as a hero for being a sex worker.. Wtf

[@janityy]

No comparison between the military and the bullshit she does absolutely none

[@janityy]

Stripping is legal she wants society to give her a star for her bullshit feminist ideology ain't gonna happen . It's legal that's it but it will never be acceptable behavior

[@lorriebard1854]

I feel she is trying to convince herself of what she talks about.

[@jendogjh]

Justification...? Why waste all that money on a degree if your so happy? Not for everyone...don't glamorize it

[@jarodcarnarvon5198]

She's right, most entry level jobs out there don't pay nearly enough $$ She seems so nice and sweet.

[@jayreed2590]

Bruh thats why it's a entry level job yall cannot be that stupid those positions are TEMPORARY you're supposed to build upon that lmao

[@idorus]

yeah women shouldnt have to sell their bodies to make enough to live

[@craiglister6732]

@@idorus - Are you saying only women have entry level jobs? Or that women only get entry level jobs?

[@intensifier2182]

Women under 30 make more than men in corporate positions.

[@jayreed2590]

@@idorus women literally don't yall choose to it's like any other job there's no one forcing that

[@Rustik1722]

Her nervous laugh has an interesting juxtaposition to the empowerment angle. She also uses multiple straw men and cliches that conflict with 97% of the truth we see in Marks videos regarding this lifestyle.

[@annieseaside]

Yep. Full of Liberal catchphrases. Experiences her Mother as a Biased Bigot. 🙄 But wants full acceptance and applause for her points of view. We are cresting 8 BILLION humans on earth, every country, every ethnicity, every income strata and only a minuscule number of Mom’s are delighted their baby girl gets naked on stage. Universally, Humans have standards of behavior. I do applaud her efforts to make the world a better place for sex workers and strippers. I have no problem with someone choosing it. Pretty lousy though to brand your Mom who loves and accepts you as those things when in fact she is a totally normal Mom. Then Dad is thrilled by it? WTF is THAT about? Humans will never believe what she believes and that’s cool. Live and let live. Regardless she is a serious outlier, an anomaly and has no clue that is the case OR this is a glossy presentation sold to us in which she chose not to volunteer germane information. $10 bucks it is the latter. Good luck to her, I hope she never runs into any friction worse than a stingy tipper.

[@reallygood7886]

I don't want to be rude but I think everything what she is saying is excuse for not telling that this works fits for her because she doesn't want to work all day in an office and stripping is easy money.

[@realhollywood]

Bro this chick really just said she became a stripper cause she’s a feminist 🤦🏼‍♀️😂

[@Interlocutor67]

Listen to her trying to rationalize her occupation by talking about 'puritanical hypocrisy.'

[@maxmeier532]

browsing through the comment section it becomes apparent that unfortunately a lot of people believe the bullshit she says. we dont know half her story. she's obviously deflecting, possibly so she doesnt have to acknowledge her cognitive dissonance.

[@barrett5540]

@@maxmeier532 well said Max. “Cognitive Dissonance” Exactly correct. Another word: Delusional

[@beebs20001]

Why would it be so hard to believe she feels exactly the way she’s describing and is happy…she’s well spoken and poised. I think she speaks for a lot of strippers experiences. Including my own. And does it well

[@Interlocutor67]

@@beebs20001 , We'll see what she says in 5, 10 , or 20 years.

[@beebs20001]

@@Interlocutor67 may I ask what qualifies you in the least to falsify what’s she’s saying? I know many dancers that have been in industry for 15 years and they have no regrets. Just like I know I won’t. I suggest you rewatch the video and actually listen to what she’s saying, you sound small minded as hell and might actually learn something

[@nickthelick]

My friends would go to topless/lapdancing clubs back in their 20s during the 2000s, and they'd always ask me to come along, "I'll pay for a lapdance for you!"... But I could never bring myself to go along. Deep down I just couldn't do it, even now... 🤔 Just never 'felt right'...

[@joeconti3599]

Its kinda dumb in my opinion...pay money just to get blue balls...Id rather pay for something to actually happen...not that I have or would

[@kendraphic87]

Well thats you.. I enjoy them

[@jeromelove1284]

@@joeconti3599 I agree..100%

[@sabrinav]

She is smart, educated and beautiful but there is a bit of bullshit here love. You ain't selling "LOVE", c'mon!

[@dl5421]

She basically said feminism convinced a middle class girl to enter sex industry. I don't think that's what women intended when they were demonstrating for women's voting rights in 60's. Whatever she's talking about, isn't feminism. Objectifying and monetizing your 'vessel of life' isn't a feminine thing to do at all.

[@Wholesome_Hans]

Lmao, I know right? This is what "empowerment" looks like

[@rodsilva80]

feminism is a trojan horse

[@clare5687]

It’s amazing how much a person can say “Um”

[@ramonitsuj1182]

LOL!!! I was drawn to that within the first 5 minutes of the video, and she never let up.

[@goymedhundDogtrainingBehavior]

Um - i agree... Lol!! was thinking the same..

[@tambourine36]

One of the good things about public speaking classes...helps you get rid of these "word whiskers", and be aware of how distracting they can be. ❤

[@laaaaauren]

I think a side effect or a lens that some viewers of your channel may look under is a strong sentiment of sorrow for the folks you interview. Some of this is healthy, to build empathy and feel compassion. In instances like Leona's, it is really obvious that she is clear minded and has thought about the feminist theories that drive this industry into a new era. I'm really pleased that you've interviewed her and that she was able to speak to another perspective. Just because the industry suffers from a heavy dose of misogyny does not mean that every player is taking that perspective. In feeling sorrow for those who are suffering and do not have a choice, it puts us at the fork in the road to evaluate our gut response. Is someone in this industry inherently bad? No. But -- if someone is suffering greatly due to society's ailments and sees a path forward in the game of making money to survive and uses this as an avenue, we should be angry that the systems that have failed us still stand strong today, rather than being angry or saddened that someone like Leona is working to break the mold that we may have in our minds. Everyone uses their body every day if they are a laborer. Sex workers just make money off of things that society would rather have for free. I'd ask that in future interviews you frame your questions in a way that do not assume the answer. We cannot prescribe a perspective on someone until we hear their story.

[@sapphireheart5757]

There are no feminist theories driving this industry into a new era, just the destabilizing forces of subjectivism and post-modernism trying to relabel what is slightly stepped back prostitution into something to sell to naive girls as “liberating” and powerful. If it’s so empowering there would be wealthy businessmen on the pole!

[@christineanderson6620]

Ml

[@johannerahaman3441]

Well said Lauren!!! 💯

[@tambourine36]

For sure, I do feel the questions should be tailored to the person, and should be adaptable to the story that unfolds

[@peggythepirate1737]

This girl refused to admit she started stripping for the money. Quit lying and admit it

[@MaryWilliams-dl6ow]

She's obviously hiding something deeper. I'm glad that she doesn't see this as a lifelong career. But I'm saddened by her ability to down play the negative aspects of her buisness.

[@needmoreramsay]

I think if a stripper has control over their income, safety, where and when they work, and what they do; it's absolutely fine. There should not be any exploitation, manipulation or abuse. If the industry can be monitored and regulated so as to benefit all of the parties involved then it make good business sense.

[@myeyeswentdeaf6213]

That how I feel too.

[@RealmCenter40]

I suppose it depends on where your priorities in life fall. If you’re ok with having the brand and all the associated stigmas that are attached to it then it’s a viable option. I think I would be important to understand that it’s irreversible once it’s attached.

[@brittaolson6550]

@@RealmCenter40 Not really. If you’re escorting or walking streets and get a record, that might be irreversible, but there are ways to work in clubs without it being irreversible. You can’t reverse the experience, but It’s not like it’s insurmountable.

[@RealmCenter40]

@@brittaolson6550 I was eluding to finding a quality partner later on for the most part. I know the types of guys that date current/former strippers. They range from marginal at best to nearly subhuman at worst.

[@PicaPauDiablo1]

@@RealmCenter40 eluding huh? So all you've told us is your acquaintances and who you associate with.

[@Calverts399]

All that money her parents spent to give her the best opportunity in life and she falls into one of the oldest professions that even a woman with a 3rd grade education could do. I feel badly for her parents.

[@jeromelove1284]

You be surprised..I seen an interview with a pornstar who had a bachelor degree in nursing and she doing porn.

[@aaronm.3581]

Why? Is an education pointless, if it doesn't result in a career and money? Is that what it's all about? That's pretty sad.

[@dabbeatles]

@@aaronm.3581 Why do you think people end up in these positions? A lot of people are in or bordering on poverty, many many people cannot afford to pay rent or keep food on the table. The same education that is so expensive now, wasn't so expensive years ago. It isn't like it's just a small percentage of Americans ending up in these sorts of marginalized careers. Wealth consolidation leads to this. The middle class is shrinking and will continue to do so, and people will continue to be funneled into strange career paths like these.

[@user-ik3kk3ol2o]

She ran track in his, so she probably received a scholarship.

[@peggythepirate1737]

College degrees don't hide liars

[@laurieg2436]

She is NOT a therapist!!

[@DrCielo1]

With all that talent, she threw herself to the garbage. For sure she had better choices is not the story of the orphan, abused with no means and education.

[@georgebyars4049]

Once you put a dollar amount on something that’s priceless it becomes worthless

[@Bigfootz2004]

Her comments around human trafficking are extremely naive. Yes, strippers and sex workers deserve to be treated fairly and with respect, but let's not pretend like the industry isn't fraught with problems and often a vector for funneling trafficked humans.

[@apataye]

Maybe, but that is the case with EVERYTHING AT ALL. The DRUGS world is also full of shit, but that does not mean respectful & decent people shouldn´t be able to use drugs as they see fit. RELIGION world is full of evil sects & false prophets fooling dumb people, but that does not mean a decent & honest person can not be happy believing in Christ or Allah. POLITICS & BUSINESS are full of nasty things & criminal behaviours, but that does NOT mean a person can not have a political view, or an economic enterprise, and still be honest & decent,..... ¿Do you see where I´m getting at?

[@goymedhundDogtrainingBehavior]

i agree... she has has a very shielded and safe upbringing and that shines trough the whole time... She maks it sound sooo easy.. even having time to think about politics and gender problems.. But she has support and does no have to starve on the streets, in her car or a shelter....

[@coutureitup]

She’s wasnt denying there are issues. She wasn’t able to get into every aspect. She was generalizing. She knows there are huge issues. She’s a damn activist. She knows there are trafficking issues. She was trying to say that politicians use that at a tool to manipulate and demonize the industry. You missed the point.

[@Bigfootz2004]

@@coutureitupI have nothing but respect for her and applaud her activism, but in the had 30+ minutes she talked, she was very dismissive about the human trafficking issue, which is a major problem. I truly believe that if she was aware of the problem, she would have the ability to make a huge positive impact in this fight.

[@Fuq2]

Does she really have to "show off" her non-existent body?

[@elaraelias2283]

as a dancer myself i am in awe of this woman and i couldn’t have said anything she did any better myself

[@playingwithkash2134]

🍅🍅🍅

[@johnjohnmcclane1818]

Hopefully you could do it without saying 'um' every 10 words.

[@idorus]

she uses the exact same script all these other privileged "sex workers" use to minimize that the majority are not like her and have no other choice. shes glamorizing it and acting like it is an amazing job so people don't think of all the disgusting shit that goes on in any of the sex industries.

[@playingwithkash2134]

She act illiterate

[@Cash4Fruit]

she is great right? I am a sugar baby but want to get into stripping (too many clients who want bareback and kissing) I am going to go for it... just little scared of the slimy managment at the clubs.... otherwise I got it:)

[@nikkijones8787]

I have no issue with someone being a stripper. Be a unicorn running the streets if you want to whatever you want to be, but don't expect people to not have an opinion about it. For you to say everyone should respect me and what I do, is ridiculous in my opinion. That's not the world we live in, not everyone is going to respect you for shaking your ass for money thats just not reality. Lol. I have respect for everyone until they disrespect me, but I don't expect the whole world to be like that.

[@icecrystal3255]

Best comment. Truth.

[@Dhruv_Dogra]

Thank you for the honesty ! It’s clearly being in the minority here but that doesn’t make it any less truthful

[@gvn1048]

I agree with you partially, nobody should think the same but everybody has to respect each other and mind their own business. When respect is broken, war is open 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♂️

[@nikkijones8787]

@@gvn1048 like I said I have no issue with it myself.. I actually have a cousin I grew up living right beside my house that does it for a living. But to expect the whole world to think exactly like you think when we have a whole world of individuals with their own thoughts and opinions is just not going to happen. Not only that but a lot of people see it as she's not even respecting herself so why should they respect her. Unfortunately that's just how it is, and me personally I believe in a world of free speech and freedom where I'm from, so like i said she's free to shake her ass and expect everyone to be cool with it, BUT everyone else is free to have their own personal opinion about it. At the same time there's people who work their ass off "flipping burgers" and people make jokes about them also, there's many professions that aren't respected and people have opinions about. It's shitty I agree, but it's the world we live in.

[@nikkijones8787]

@@gvn1048 Now please don't misunderstand what I'm saying.. I don't believe anyone has the right to put their hands on her, or abuse her emotionally, or scream their opinions at her. But for her to expect people to think a certain way is ridiculous was all I was saying. And if people can't have opinions and their own free thoughts without starting a war we have bigger issues.

[@TheDustinFreshour]

Imagine going from $200 an hour to $15 because you chose to become an employee.

[@richardmabe4186]

Have to say I'm intrigued why people are so messed up about sex, can we not just enjoy it for the excitement, and pleasure it gives? Many women turn to sex work with problems because it's a relatively easy quick way to make money but it doesn't mean everyone who does it will be troubled. Absolutely sex work should be consenting and done without exploitative coercion.

[@james3440]

Do all the strippers he interviews go swimming after? Or maybe before. They’re always wearing bikinis. All jokes aside her introspection and intelligence is intriguing. After two sentences spoken you can tell she’s vastly different then most people regardless of what they do to pay the bills. Unlike most people, she sees the positive in everything.

[@IINVICTA]

I wonder the same thing.

[@aaronm.3581]

Im sure it will be denied, but I have little doubt that he request that they dress this way. It really makes NO sense that they all come in dressed this way for an interview.

[@roymaddocks3184]

@@aaronm.3581 they show up the way they wish. He has nothing to do with how they dress

[@drewcobarrubias2093]

Mark is a Photographer above all else, i believe he said he asks everyone to come dressed as they would for work, for the portrait. Then they do the interview

[@snnadede001]

He must ask them to wear what they would for work. I highly doubt this girl just walks around in swimsuits in public all day

[@RECHARON]

I appreciate her take on activism in the stripper community. Seems like she’s changing laws and stigmas. What I get from her is that she did all of the “straight and narrow” she was “supposed” to do. Got tired of it and ran the opposite direction. Kudos to her for looking into the labor laws and making changes.

[@Cash4Fruit]

I am like her I did the college thing.... just to prove I could do it, completely sober my whole life, relatively normal upbringing... but I just love the work. I have disabled brothers so I know how hard it is to run a family with extra challenges, been though a couple serious relationships but no man could ever convince me he could truly hold down a family. At age 30, I feel good now with only relying on myself.

[@Caligrapher88]

Those laws don't favor strippers because they will just get paid minimum wage and all their tips will be taxed🤣

[@treaty8631]

Empowerment is found in making it without doing degrading work. Get a real job and contribute to society with pride...and stop trying to justify the work you do by making it sound enlightening. Your parents are dying inside...sorry and I know I'm going to get hit for this comment but I'm a mother and this would hurt me if it was my child.

[@kr00m]

So many people seem to be disappointed that she got her stuff together.

[@moblack5883]

She literally doesn’t

[@teaganpenny2528]

Bruh does she actually have "FOX RACING" tattooed down her 😂😂😂

[@howwitty]

She talks about a low paying job like earning wages is exploitative, yet she acknowledges that she earns money in a similar way. I wonder what she has to say about aging. She must know that stripping doesn't come with a pension. She said "sex work will always be there", but why?

[@drdelewded]

Because sex sells. And all forms of it should be legalized so it can be protected.

[@RawOlympia]

this type gets real bitter when they age and blame society - this empowered type of stripper has been around and they change their tune when they hit the wall.

[@howwitty]

@@RawOlympia If she's as active in the community as she says she is... wouldn't she see that coming a mile away? Worst case scenario: there are no old heads around to tip her off. Would that not be a major red flag?

[@RawOlympia]

@@howwitty great point

[@RawOlympia]

@jonathan crayton meow ~

[@nix123ism]

Years ago , around 1990, when I was at uni, talked to a girl in my class, found out she worked at a strip club, dancing, 2 x 8 hour shifts a week while studying full time Bcom, earnt enough to put herself through university and pay all her bills doing that, remember thinking there can't be many jobs a guy could do to earn that much a week and still to study full time.....

[@julestburt]

What a brilliant interview - very smart individual!! I love how she's seen through the political nonsense that comes along with the system criminalizing otherwise peaceful / consenting adults and stigmatizes in the process. Thanks for sharing!

[@MichaelJohnson-pq2ue]

What a uummm ....intelligent....uummm...yea...uuhh...uummm individual....uuummm ...uuummm .....

[@patmatt975]

So empowering.

[@hmorton490]

@@MichaelJohnson-pq2ue Somebody saying “um” is not a sign of someone being unintelligent, you’re under the wrong comment section being an asshole like that

[@jameshogg929]

Yeah Rice University is not an easy school to get into

[@JessG_20]

@@MichaelJohnson-pq2ue Saying "umm" is usually more indicative of nervousness or anxiety. She's probably never been interviewed in the raw like this. If you're able to listen to the rest of what she's saying, she has a fairly wide vocabulary and is clearly of at least average or somewhat above average intelligence.

[@Benyikoko]

You can tell by looking at her body she was an amazing athlete! Well trained and together... Whatever makes her happy.. do you boo! Thanks for sharing your story!

[@johnnydeleon8210]

She definitely drank her milk

[@IntersocialLanugageOfScreaming]

@@johnnydeleon8210 milk? It all came down to Irn-Bru 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿👍🏻

[@tambourine36]

Continue to stay fit girl.

[@bhoovis]

She's a smart and competent woman who knows herself. I am smarter having listened to her speak.

[@doingsomethingdifferentnow3705]

Her mother is allowed to feel the way she wants to and she doesn't have to change her mind if she doesn't want to. This lady sounds very intolerant.

[@starr6465]

You can make lucrative money outside of the sex club. BUT there are all types of people in the world and on different mind set levels. I do not condem. TUFS

[@carolcaponigro]

This project is so valuable.

[@laurieb2296]

All her ums bothered me for being an educated woman. My opinion there is trama buried deep inside.

[@tomgunn8004]

This is a good example of what our academic system is turning out. No moral compass, no common sense and minimal brainpower

[@voodoospyker]

Your comment speaks more to your own bias than it does about this lovely young women

[@petebutler5139]

Every stripper is in college! A stripper will never say, I work 12 hours a week and the rest of the time I’m smoking weed. She’s not the normal stripper. Just like P-Nutty the Pimp said, “There are three types of people in this world… Squares, pimps and hoes“ and homegirl is not a square and she’s not a pimp.

[@kenc2257]

Interesting interview. She makes a good point that strippers should make a good wage, and be in charge of their work/bodies. Lots of diversity/variety in the stripper career field. Certainly, she's educated, and well spoken.

[@michaelheery3085]

she ain't normal.

[@carleycowski]

She seems very intelligent and had very great points about everything she spoke about love listening to these interviews! Feels so good to have smart women among the SW community! Especially being a SW myself ! You go girl did not miss one beat !!💖

[@rodneydelacruz1177]

I don’t think she’s particularly candid or honest here. IHO you can tell when she’s talking about meditation or how much guys should spend at the club. “Don’t be so cheap.” Her ideas flow naturally indicated by her speaking tempo. It’s about the money honey. Let’s not play games here. I’m all for woman doing what they want without the stigmatism attached but I would have rather her been less guarded or manipulative in her interview.

[@carolcaponigro]

I still think they should legalize prostitution. Always did.

[@69Muscle]

Having lived in South Florida for 30+ years, strip clubs are as common as Walgreens. Of course I patronized them quite often in my 20’s and had many stripper friends. This lady is quite interesting , intelligent and articulate. Very interesting interview.

[@escapebeyond9966]

You're a clown how is someone who says uh um ah and uh and uh "articulate" someone who cannot form a proper sentence "intelligent" there is nothing interesting about her which is why she resorts to exposing her body to gain attention. Pathetic lying loser

[@boyardstreet8357]

@@escapebeyond9966 You can’t even understand what she said (which was brilliant by the way) and focus only on what you could understand : the uh hum and ha hum….You are the clown and pathetic loser Sir.

[@dabbeatles]

@@boyardstreet8357 Seriously, why do these misogynists always resort to the same shitty arguments anyway? He couldn't come up with an actual critique of what this person said, so instead, they attacked their pauses which anyone would know is perfectly normal during speech. Jesus Christ. What a bunch of wasted brains.

[@escapebeyond9966]

@@boyardstreet8357 I didn't bother to watch the whole episode because she was just blithering on about how intelligent and diverse the str1pper community is when in reality it's just girls with incredibly low self esteem and drug addictions combined with an unstable upbringing. She had the opportunity to be honest and give an interesting insight to a seedy part of modern society but instead she chose to take the time to cope and pretend she's some sort of unique individual and not a total cliche like all modern "empowered" women. Don't @ me you dumba$$ feminist $kanks

[@yesthisisvic]

Yeah... another one who thinks doing God's work and saving the world by selling her body.

[@pamelapalmer2832]

This young woman doesn't realize that sex work doesn't last forever. She wants to act like she's knowledgeable.

[@The_Salty_Spitoooon]

How is she not knowledgeable?

[@waitaminute2015]

Stripping is often a gateway to drugs and prostitution. A good friend of mine started this way, but after time, a little bit of coke and a few "dates" here and there, failed relationships. She died at 40 of overdose. The strip club environment ends up influencing you. I don't buy the feminist sales pitch about all the ego boosting positives.