Strymon NightSky: Best Reverb Pedal of 2020?

Is the Strymon NightSky Reverberator the best reverb pedal of 2020? Join me as I put this Strymon pedal through its paces to produce profound ambient reverb tones. The NightSky shines in the night sky of ambient guitar! amzn.to/2HEsqza
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[@chordsoforion]

Hey all! Just want to let you know that I will doing a follow up video focusing on the 8 step sequencer. There was just too much to look at it to squeeze that in. Thanks!!

[@TheFarout69]

Great! Looking forward to it. This thing is amazing. I purchases a Volante by Strymon and it's awesome, this looks to be it's mate!

[@MD_is_me]

Good news, indeed! Are you gonna hook up an expression pedal as well? I would love to hear if this can do a long slow evolving filter sweep. A review of the EHX Oceans 12 would be interesting to compare and contrast this; seems a little like a poor man's NightSky.

[@johnpowell3767]

@@TheFarout69 Hi dude! Hey...im' on the fence between the STRYMON Volente or the Electro Harmonix Grand Canyon. What made you opt for the STRYMON? I can't get out check things out because I broke right leg and can't drive. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

[@TheFarout69]

@@johnpowell3767 You know, I just love the quirky sound of tape echos. And the Volante' is as good as the very best of the digital ones. But the midi control sold me in the end. My Boss ES-5 switcher can tell it what to do at every patch change. Same reason I opted for the SD Silver Lake reverb to follow it up. Lucky for me, most of the really nice stuff has the midi port. I play flute and guitar through my rig, reverbs and delays have to be nice ones with headroom and midi ready. Volante can also receive line level signals in the studio or from my mic preamp for the flute. Since I got it, I have not considered replacing it at all. I've just started to scratch the surface of it's powerful features. Great machine. It will be useful to me for years to come. Hope your leg heals up good- good luck!

[@jimmynorris]

Do you have this up yet? Looking forward to some sequencing ideas

[@apanapandottir205]

Space Santa giving us another nice pedal review.

[@shawnadams1693]

Apan Apandottír 😂😂😂👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@rorymcclellan3740]

🤣🤣🤣 FLIPPIN PURRfect!

[@mydaydreamrecords]

Of all the NightSky demos I was waiting for yours the most...it did not disappoint! Thanks Bill!

[@josesalvador4578]

You Sir, are the reason I became a strymon fanboi practically overnight. Chapeau!

[@exohead1]

The review I’ve been waiting on

[@towerofspunk]

Thanks for the great video Bill. I didn't know how much I needed one of these.

[@benyork9382]

Thanks for this demo! You never disappoint!

[@brwhyon]

Bill, as usual you make it all look simple, I just picked one of these up and am not disappointed. Thanks for the run through, you're the MASTER !

[@chordsoforion]

Thanks Bryon!!

[@lardgraves7401]

I was waiting for this!

[@mattlefler9854]

I want a new pedal every damn week! Thanks Bill.

[@johnpowell3767]

Thanks Scott. Great info. Thank!

[@johnpowell3767]

BILL....you remind me of an Architect/ instructor I had in college while studying Architecture. Completely unflappable. Enjoy the videos. You have me back into my guitar after a long absence. STRYMON is the best!

[@anza1382]

I have been expecting this.

[@biggmann9169]

Looking forward to a seeing you do a short composition using this pedal !!!

[@samprock]

NightSky over Orion! Finally together, was waiting for this alignment :)

[@achilleszaluar5825]

best review! thank you

[@CraigWedd]

duuuuude i freaking love your beard :D plus love the review :D

[@kenherbst9460]

That's a great sounding guitar!

[@irblueflames69]

Beautiful sound the guitar sounds amazing pair with that pedal/amp

[@Martin23673]

Thank you for this review! I would appreciate you playing some more music with it to show a real use case, like towards the end of your review, sounds good. :-)

[@kcclip6690]

Nice demo

[@Tvaroh]

Nice to see how you beard is progressing!

[@markchristianson31]

Been looking forward to this review- I figured this pedal was right up your ambient alley. It reminds me very much of some of the fx you can achieve w/ Valhalla reverb plugins. Also thinking it'll replace my EHX Epitome. Very cool unit, kind of half pedal/half modular synth. Should be one arriving at our studio today

[@robertclarkguitar]

Hope to one day reach a greater audience Bill...I love these tools but most out of my range for now....Great review ! For now im happy with valhalla supermassive! And My boss gt1! My recent vids are using interface. Huge difference. Heheh peace all.

[@GoncaloMalhohut]

Best review of Strymon Nightsky, most comprehensive.

[@lightnintrucker]

The owner of a music store I go to in my neck of the woods that deals in Strymon pedals told me about this Night Sky. It is the most elaborate reverberator I've ever seen. I had a feelin' ya were gonna do a demo on this soon.

[@robertflowers7523]

Long time listener, first time commenter? Bill, I love you man. Know that. My wife? Different story. After another successful tutorial vid and I have just dropped money for, what I hope is, another fantastic ambient pedal for my ever-growing arsenal. Thank you, dearly.

[@natashanyxx9486]

My Chords Of Orion coffee mug is in the way! 💜💜💜

[@chordsoforion]

I love it! Thanks so much!!!

[@pj5306]

Very informative on-point overview. Thanks Sub’d

[@mattlefler9854]

Holy crap that infinite button is awesome. I actually loved the pickup strike with the pick. OMG... I never thought I would ever want a $400+ pedal.

[@benwearne542]

There's quite a few pedals that have that. Blackhole and bigsky have it too

[@AvianBreak]

You really helped clarify the front panel! Not that you have to cover how it works, but I’m looking forward to seeing you utilize the sequencer in your music sometime!

[@chordsoforion]

Working on learning the sequencer now! Thanks!!

[@grega1207]

As always Bill, thanks for the review. For several of the commenters below, I think the NightSky is not just for guitar. I believe Strymon was also heavily leaning for a pedal for the synth world as well as guitar. Whether it will catch on in the keyboard world, we'll see :-)

[@towerofspunk]

I think it will be popular. I'm a keyboard player, and am very interested in one.

[@grega1207]

@@towerofspunk look forward to hearing what you'll do with it

[@rauljara2212]

when I knew about this pedal I thought about you lol "he's gonna be the happiest about this one" I thought

[@richardwalley2862]

Mixed feelings

[@chrissullins3]

Bill, appreciate your advice. I just bought the Iridium for compact travel and it's real close to the tube amp.

[@chordsoforion]

Glad you are liking it! It's on this video and most of the last several!

[@KunchangLeeMusic]

This is the best demo on this pedal

[@planetpjr]

The Strymon release of the Night Sky is the best part of 2020! There is great solace and deep fulfillment to see that twenty first century technology continues making us look further upward and lifting us to higher knowledge and powerful science and closer to Allan's skyscapes. He wouldn't need this thing but we certainly do. It's a welcome relief.

[@Apophis392]

I’ve been getting in the habit of grabbing my headphones for any videos I watch about effects or tone. Critical.

[@drysabre2242]

Thank you, great as always. How would you compare NightSky with Meris Mercury 7 ?

[@quiet216]

Can’t go wrong with Strymon

[@abihuzarate4232]

Forget the night sky, That BEARD!

[@MatthewClifton-mj9eb]

Great video as always.. One question, the 'guitar & pedalboard' list in the description... is this the order in which your pedals are connected?

[@aljen9611]

Cannot await the step sequencer episode. This pretty no-preset-pre-set, mysterious do-your-schallraum-yourself Uberwerkzeug seems to be the perfect companion for devices like Moog Mother32 or even Subharmonicon, capable to match and extend the beautifully erratic behaviour of these analog Moog units, transforming them sonically into some kind of Weltraum-polyphonic Wunderdevices. Thanks for sharing your impression on this amazing hall tool.

[@pillof]

That’s a perfect gain sound for reverb. What was the chain? Strymon Comp > Iridium > Nightsky?

[@19DoubleG80]

Thanks for the review Bill :) If I'm honest, as a general reverb I would defenetaly not replace the Big Sky with this but it's a nice pedal in it's own right. Thanks again.

[@chordsoforion]

Of course not. BigSky has a very different purpose and set of sounds.

[@ryancrosby5]

@@chordsoforion so if I am choosing between the two big sky is the wiser choice?

[@edwinykim]

Reverbs didn’t blow me away. I felt that the Mercury7 sounds better, but I like the layout of the strymon

[@tron944]

When I looked up Shimmer in the dictionary, this dude's face comes up.

[@yzimsx]

If a headline has a question mark, then the answer is "no".

[@mcclaneonfire2350]

Thank you for all your thoughts, music and gear videos! A question to everybody: is it possible to have an infinite tone going on while playing a different reverb sound over it? The droning tone should stay the same and the new playing should have a new setting.

[@zulusound]

Thanks for the cool demo. Where is the secondary knob that affects the drive that you mention? Internal? Also, do you have a stereo amp set up or did you record this direct?

[@chordsoforion]

Best way to learn all the secondary functions is to look at the manual, but basically it's combination of buttons and knobs. I only use amp modelers. This is the Strymon Iridium, which can run in stereo.

[@zulusound]

@@chordsoforion thanks

[@TheZooropaBaby]

I've been messing with Supermassive from Valhalla and it has some similar sounds with this especially with settings with more space reverb/reflection

[@mydaydreamrecords]

TheZooropaBaby True! Supermassive and all the Valhalla plug-ins are amazing!

[@sonidojamon]

haha, this pedal was meant for this channel!!

[@seppoinnanen5577]

Right now I kind of feel that the Mod section is a bit weird... On the other hand, the shimmer intervals and MIX section are real treats. I reserve the right to change my mind though :)

[@EarlyMist]

The reverb makes me feel like I am in a massive metal warehouse.

[@morten1]

I think this pedal is best for synths etc.

[@pgtpt]

is it possible lower the verb to a point that it could act like a harmonizer pedal?

[@wfqsfg]

I want to get one of these. You have both the Night Sky and Big Sky. I have watched almost as many videos on the two that I can stand. Most are the same. I play in church and a venue call House of Prayer in my city. Ambient, pad, reverb are now the rage in worship music. It sounds cool and really fills up a lot of space. I have an EHX Mel9 and C9 that I plan on using occasionally with the one I choose to get. Do you have a preference which one would work best with worship music and work with the Mel9 and C9? I'm doing what I can now on an Alexander Ski Fi pedal.

[@chordsoforion]

I would say that if you are looking for an all around workhorse reverb, then the BigSky is the way to go. It does a lot of the "traditional" reverb types in addition to some experimental. The NightSky is pure experimental, and although it is a great pedal, is not as flexible because of its tonal focus.

[@wfqsfg]

@@chordsoforion Thanks for your help!

[@defiense]

Allan holdsworth would make incredible use of this

[@chordsoforion]

No doubt!

[@goldenultra]

Didn't he do patches for Yamaha Magic Stomp, delays and reverb?

[@tonycatenazzo454]

You also reviewed the Big Sky Infinite. Which do you prefer for your use?

[@chordsoforion]

It's not a matter of preference. It's more a matter of what sound I am looking for. Certainly, the BigSky is a more general use type of reverb vs the specialty nature of the NightSky.

[@tonycatenazzo454]

@@chordsoforion Thank you for taking the time to respond! I did buy the Big Sky and I am having great fun with all the possibilities. BTW I have profited enormously from your videos and have derived great enjoyment not only from viewing them but putting your words of wisdom to practice!

[@matthewmcguigan4293]

Help! Bill, where is your sequencer demo?!

[@chadr2843]

This seems like a great pedal (all Strymon pedals are top shelf) but if you already have the Big Sky and Timeline, and a couple other pedals or plug ins with shimmer/octaver etc I'm not hearing anything with this new pedal you can't already do. Seems like a good option for those who don't have some of those other things...unless Im missing something here. Bills review was the one I was waiting for with this pedal....great job as usual on the demo!

[@joanofheart]

Disagree I have bigsky and their delays and no this isn’t a pedal that replaces or should be compared to any of them. I speak as an owner of a nightsky myself. Placed After bigsky both together are amazing.

[@chadr2843]

@@joanofheart Good feedback Joan. I have no doubt it sounds amazing, all of Strymon products do, I own many. Didn't meant to imply it is a replacement just out of everything I've seen for demos I haven't heard anything that can't be replicated with a combination of other pedals, and that's the selling point for this one I suppose is it does a lot of things typically you need multiple pedals for. I still haven't heard any demos of this that make me want it. Maybe if I had one to sample that would change. I personally hoping Strymon gets in the plugin market sooner rather than later.

[@joanofheart]

Chad Routhier Are you in the states? There are pedal rental programs so anything is possible. I use pedal genie and currently am renting a CBA Mood pedal. A lot of pedals I usually can’t afford I use this service before buying with the night sky being the one exception. I’ve been using their service for years with no complaints. Since a week after it’s release I’ve been seeing user (not demo channels) start to pop up with settings they like or ways they use it. I’m sure it will increase over time. A lot of the flack I seem to read everywhere I feel is a bit presumptive it isn’t useable for anyone. Not everyone plays blues, not everyone plays metal but there is a market that this pedal will be good for and I am one of those people. The fact I can sculpt my signal live without navigating many layers of LCD preset screens is a huge plus in making it not scary user friendly. Scary as in shit I don’t remember what I had it set to last week now I have to tinker for hours to find it again. I always found the big sky paralyzing at times where as the strymon delays I didn’t with just the knobs as very straightforward. I could go on but you get me I think, it’s much too soon to cast judgments/hate on this pedal. Is it for everyone? Maybe not but to have a lot of things in one pedal so I don’t also have 20 reverbs (all with a different modulation!) fighting for a space on my board. Granted I do have an addiction to reverb/delay this format agreed does save me board real estate also. I think Big Sky is a preset king whereas Nightsky is a make your own adventure cloud city..? Dunno if that sums it up lol the renting thing might be alittle before they get units but it’s worth a shot if you want to try before buying things.

[@chadr2843]

@@joanofheart I am in the states and I've never heard of pedal genie! Looking at that site now...thanks for that reference. I've been wanting to sample the CBA mood, and all the Meris pedals so its nice to know I can just rent it. I hear you on the pedal board space. Im maxed out but I've been focused on midi piano/keys as of late hence me wanting some Strymon plugins. I'm with you on the knobs to, I tend to turn to the flashback triple delay over the timeline for that very reason.

[@jemandthemystery]

Each to their own of course but I can’t help but feel once one starts to need/want this level of reverb manipulation maybe price/performance wise you are better served by plug-ins. Personally though, while there is an argument for using external reverb to take the load of DAWS/Helix/Kemper etc versions there is a diminishing rate of return when you get to this level. But hey, if you feel you can manipulate this live with synths/guitars/bass and drum machines then more power to you. Cool stuff though and you have to love this man’s unrelenting enthusiasm for his toys. :-)

[@johnnulf624]

Can you recommend me a reverb plugin with a pitch knob (and preferably modulation options that can be used on said pitch). I’d like to get this pedal for specifically those functions but it’s definitely pricey

[@jemandthemystery]

@@johnnulf624 I suspect one would need multiple plug-ins. However, if you need this live and/or like/need the tactile satisfaction of real controls then get the NightSky. It’s a good product. As in my original comment, one probably has to need that particular combination of features in a hardware to justify it. But hey, it’s a pedal, not a Ferrari. If you don’t like you can flip it fairly quickly.

[@alexmax9832]

With INFINITE you are using a external delay?

[@redcomn]

What guitar is that tho

[@robguitarwizard]

Hi Bill. Did you get my message about my new album? I dedicated a soundscape piece to you. Cheers Rob

[@chordsoforion]

I must have missed it - sorry! But thanks very much!

[@robguitarwizard]

@@chordsoforion I'll send you a copy.

[@MrDavevr]

I really like that pedal but it's just so difficult for me, it's so much work learning too use it so it puts me off and I hardly use it

[@chordsoforion]

Sounds like it is time to sell and move to something you really love using.

[@111darkness111]

Is this the new version of the big sky?

[@chordsoforion]

No - it's pretty different from the BigSky.

[@levijessegonzalez3629]

Ocean machine vs Avalanche Run? Can the ocean machine get A.R. sounds?

[@chordsoforion]

I have not tried, but I doubt the Ocean Machine can replicate the unique character of the AR.

[@apanapandottir205]

Honestly, the Strymon pedals are IMO perfection, but the price is just too high for me. In my economic situation it would make no sense to spend that kinda money on something I can replicate with plugins for a fraction of the price.

[@MD_is_me]

I think pedals are more for live performance where reliability is integral to economics. When people are paying hard earned money to be entertained interruptions due to of any kind of glitch are an economic problem. I'm coming from the position of someone who has used computers for music production since the advent of MIDI in the early 80s and has been with Cubase since it's pre-DAW days, well before Cubase 3. I inadvertently become directly involved with Tascam USA and Steinberg Canada in the mid 90s helping them to successfully test native laptop production using some of their products. Today's plugins and computers are great and vastly superior to anything from those early days but unless you have backups and professional techs standing by for seamless transparent transitions in real-time from one system to another when a failure occurs, using plugins live is just too risky.

[@ramon2008]

Which plugins? I have GarageBand do you know of anything I can use ?

[@apanapandottir205]

@@ramon2008 My go-to is always the Valhalla stuff. The Valhalla Supermassive is even free.

[@apanapandottir205]

@@MD_is_me Yeah for a live situation it's a whole other thing. Stability and reliability is key when playing live. If I was gonna play live these days I'd probably get the Moog Ocean Machine as a cheaper option to get in at least the same ballpark. I wish I could afford the strymon stuff tho haha

[@MD_is_me]

@@apanapandottir205 I have an Ocean Machine and if I knew then what I know now I wouldn't have bought it. The stereo implementation is so cattywampus that it's unusable other than as a mono effect pedal and that's not why I bought it. It was a huge disappointment. Saving for something better designed would have been the better choice. The Ocean Machine is a dust collector now. The Ocean Machine did lead me to believe that, even in mono, swapping effects around is a great idea, though. As a result, I replaced it on my board with an NOS Decibel 11 Pedal Palette that I use with my own mono effects pedals; way more versatile. I stumbled upon a deal for the Pedal Palette and it cost considerably less than the Ocean Machine.

[@stefanopellegrini7094]

I'm selling 4 of my pedals just to buy this one!

[@stefanopellegrini7094]

And I did, and I'm glad for that!

[@stefanopellegrini7094]

now I need the Volante, shit

[@monsirto]

It looks beautiful but not for me. I just bought an ancient Boss SE 50 . We will see how that works out with the Polara.

[@ahopeoflife]

Bluesky vs Darksun delay reverb? Help me please 🙌🏻

[@chordsoforion]

All depends on what you are looking for. If you want a combination delay+reverb, then the DarK Sun. If you want a crazy weird and cool reverb pedal, then the NightSky.

[@Prajnana]

How about recommending some moderately prices pedals that the average Joe can afford (i.e., < $200 or whatever). :-)

[@chordsoforion]

There are a bunch of demos here on the channel of pedals $200 and less. I would recommend any of them as I don't demo pedals I don't like. Did you have a particular type of pedal mind? I can point you to a few vids.

[@Prajnana]

@@chordsoforion Hi Bill, after the usual reverbs, delays, compression and distortion, what other effects do you think compliment ambient guitar? Thanks

[@grega1207]

@@Prajnana A phaser connected to an expression is also a nice piece of kit to mix in!

[@Jason-kv7cm]

Brian Miller tc electronics corona chorus is cheap and good.

[@tziirkq]

@@chordsoforion Bill, have you tried the Caline Snake Bite? I play drone metal, and I like it so much I bought two so I can use it in parallel for stereo.

[@waltersmetak]

I don't really see the point in this pedal. Strymon should have made this into a module with full CV. Might have been of some interest. But this thing as a guitar pedal seems to be amiss, despite the massive work gone into the project.

[@obhmusic]

ok

[@Gainn]

There is midi, but I do agree it's a shame they didn't go a bit further seeing how many inroads they've made into the synthesist world. A full-fat strymon multi-fx rack unit with CV, midi and a satellite unit with a load of routable inputs/outputs would be perfection. But I've run out of body parts worth selling, so..

[@chadr2843]

Thats my impression so far as well. Really hoping they get into the plugin market

[@inframundo1919]

Sounds good but i prefer bigsky pedal

[@aliengtr]

Suimilar to gfi tempus?

[@chordsoforion]

No - I would say that they are very different pedals.

[@marcusstrymon693]

Do you still enjoy the nightsky?

[@hairyhunk44]

I'm hold off till the release Big Red Sky not the Red Sky the Big Red Sky is so much better.

[@jericks06]

Big Sky red? I haven't heard of that one. I wasn't able to find anything, do you have a link you wouldn't mind sharing?

[@ukaszukasz7059]

This is strymon's answer for Meris Mercury

[@jeremyjohnson7676]

errm... No.

[@ukaszukasz7059]

@@jeremyjohnson7676 eee yes

[@Estudio_Quesney]

Hmmm maybe

[@sczarnecki5887]

I'm not saying this pedal isn't amazing but 00:06 in seems a little premature.

[@studiopete]

I believe that was a moan about the bad pun but I hear ya.

[@guitaristssuck8979]

Very premature!

[@Subtle-System]

He doesn't have time to show us all the features? What else is he gonna do?

[@moonglimmers]

Drink more coffee ?

[@Prajnana]

FYI - JHS just announced a new 3 Series of effects pedals @ $99 each. :-)

[@peterschaefer1665]

Also a delay as well wow.

[@neve4020]

Chase bliss CXM cough ...

[@chordsoforion]

Whew - and folks complain about the cost of Strymon pedals!

[@je7647]

nothing a boss ps-2/3 and a standard reverb cant do apart from the sequence. these pedals are getting ridic imo.

[@TheMrAMT]

I had a ps-2.. I found it kind of unreliable on the road. The ps-3 is incredible! However, they’re getting harder to find at a reasonable price. I’m not a huge strymon fan but this thing sounds the least “strymon.” It sounds like a boss pedal which is maybe why I like it!

[@je7647]

I had a timeline, I thought it was cool at first as the sounds are good, then after working with it, I realised was a hinderance for me creatively and got rid of it. feels like working with a vst for me.

[@TheMrAMT]

J E same! But with the big sky. I found myself becoming less creative.

[@jeremyjohnson7676]

@@je7647 Try the Nemesis, with the Neuro-App you can create every delay imaginable and beyond. It's the only delay pedal that lets you control how self-oscillation should behave. Unfortunately the Nemesis never got the hype it deserved. Trust me, try it, and I promise you will keep it ;) Another epic delay is the Erica Synths ZEN Delay with the real Tube sound and TRUE STEREO processing! For example, when you run a stereo sound, with a tom on the right channel and a cymbal on the left channel, you will get a different tube saturation/distortion for the tom and the cymbal! Besides the Nemesis, the best delay out there.

[@eventidewinds]

Again a wonderful demo!! But i am not impressed with the pedal

[@XPJV]

Big Sky & Timeline with limited settings...

[@jeremyjohnson7676]

First time I'm not interested in a pedal from Strymon. It sounds great, YES. But I have the Big Sky (which sounds much better imo), I have the Specular Tempus (which is one of the best reverb/delay pedals EVER!), I have the Source Audio Ventris, I have the OTO BAM (one of a kind!), I have a PCM90, I have the Meris Mercury and many other awesome units. Nightsky is cool for ambient-only experimenting stuff. For big serious productions where you have to mix many channels it's quite useless. Trust me, it's sad but true. The Big Sky is also very hard to use and mix in a big production. So as I said, for this kind of demo videos, "guitar-only" presenting stuff and ambient trips the Nightsky is cool but that's it. This should be a modular module and not a pedal. Just my opinion.

[@gearslutfindergeneral7269]

Nobody's ever heard of them. No content on channel to corroborate fanciful claims of gear owned and involvement in 'big serious productions'. Pontificates about a pedal that they're not interested in and clearly don't own. Yes, we've got one, folks!

[@matthewmcguigan4293]

I'm having opposite feelings on this pedal. This is the first time I'm seeing a must have Strymon. Not knocking their other stuff, but I have fantastic results with pedals from other companies. This is something entirely different and future forward.

[@guitaristssuck8979]

Too wet, Bill!

[@Starch1b2c3d4a]

Another dud release by strymon...

[@mynamethog1151]

Em B dud?

[@krowland7584]

Strymon rhymes with hymen

[@gregs6424]

I have not watched the video yet. Just wanted to say you don't have to make that trendy "surprised face" thumbnail. Very annoying. Please do not feel like you have to follow what these young kids are doing, just because they are telling you that you need to.