The Master was necessary because of how deceptive Missy is. The only way they could truly confirm her redemption and thus make it meaningful in any shape or form was to have her past literally catch up to her and spell it out.
@iamtheecho7 жыл бұрын
The John Simm Master in my opinion is in this story for thematic reasons more so than plot reason, that theme being change and resisting it, or as Bill put it "If I can't be me I'd rather die". Bill having changed into a Cyberman is fighting against this new reality, trying to stay the person she was and when it becomes apparent she can't she goes to war hoping to die fighting the things she has become. The Doctor is also trying to stay the person he is by literally refusing to regenerate for no other reason than he doesn't want to be someone else anymore to the point he lets himself die. And for The Missy-Master, by coming face to face with her younger self Missy realizes she has changed and is no longer this evil man but is in fact good, illustrated by the polar opposite reactions Missy and the Master have to the Doctors "Who I am is where I stand" speech. And on the Masters side he also see the change in Missy and horrified at what hes going to become, he kills himself (by shooting Missy) rather than let this change happen fitting into the theme of resisting change and "If I can't be me I'd rather die".
@attckonutube7 жыл бұрын
The Master plays an essential role in this story. The entire inner conflict of missy's character hinges on The Master. He's the tempting force standing in opposition. I can't think of a better way of representing missy's conflict wanting to go back to her old ways than literally having her past self convincing her to come along with him.
@ZakJordan987 жыл бұрын
Cyber Bill: Thaaaaat is not meeee! My favourite scene in the episode, the way it was shot was just chilling
@nukirisame52987 жыл бұрын
Bill fought the Cybermen's programming because she spent months fighting against the Monk's memory shit earlier in the season. It's not because she's special...
@johnwhittington29987 жыл бұрын
nukirisame and she fought against that because of her mum
@TheJaviferrol7 жыл бұрын
And she could do that cause she was special
@rhodriwilliams25997 жыл бұрын
Basically the same, that was neither foreshadowed nor hinted at so it was a bit of a deus ex machina
@defrostedrobot777 жыл бұрын
that bit of continuity was nice.
@sophiefilo167 жыл бұрын
But with the Monks, she KNEW the world was wrong, and she knew WHY it was wrong. In this, she did not know what Cybermen were. She did not know exactly how the programming would change her. She just chose to think of herself as human and...POOF!...programming overridden!
@90RavenBlack7 жыл бұрын
I thought this was John Simm's very best appearance as the Master. His character was toned down from the overly manic portrayal we'd seen in his previous two appearances. Also...he has eyeliner. ;)
@TheCrippledEgg7 жыл бұрын
Both Masters have been toned down this series. For better too.
@90RavenBlack7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's a good point.
@corbinvickers99935 жыл бұрын
Super Skully late comment sorry. I never like crazy John simm master and found him way too crazy. But when missy was nuts in series 8, a little less nuts in series 9 and only a little nuts in 10, I thought it was a nice natural progression and worked well. I really don’t understand how John Simms master went from insane, to more insane to boring
@HerohammerStudios4 жыл бұрын
He didn't do anything and felt extremely out of character... Yeah, great. In the next episode, The first Doctor was also toned down, didn't do anything and felt extremely out of character. Do you also like him?
@Caxkj04 жыл бұрын
That comparison doesn't really work. The portrayal of the First Doctor in TUAT was a warped bastardization view of the character. The difference being that Simm, in this finale, actually felt like the Master of old than the British Joker portrayal in RTD.
@Ghargr187 жыл бұрын
TBH I liked the fact that Bill and Heather got to live together, since the characters were named after Bill Hartnell (1st Doctor) and his wife Heather, and that made me feel all soppy
@DakNJaxter7 жыл бұрын
Pretty much agree with everything on how it's a pretty good story, but Bill being able to become human whenever she wants instead of having to accept her new existence completely guts the drama of what she'd been through. The Doctor being able to hold off his regeneration didn't bother me, but the fact that he wants to does. In the Christmas special they need to verbalise why he's so against it, because unlike the Tenth Doctor, this indigence and rejection has been completely untelegraphed. It already feels wrong for the first Doctor to be mad about regenerating too. I worry it's gonna be another repeat of Deep Breath, where it's just a heavy-handed meta-textual guilt-trip for the viewers to accept the new Doctor (which is already a crumby premise IMO), where said meta-text is at the expense consistent characterisation. Like, it made next to no sense for Clara to be so upset about the Doctor changing, and so far, the same can be said for Twelve not wanting to regenerate. However, I would disagree heavily on Simm's Master being pointless. This is arguably the real arc of the series. The Doctor trying to save the soul of his friend and change her for the better. If he can save someone as far gone as the Master, he can save almost anyone. Simm's Master is the literal manifestation of Missy's past and the temptation of reverting to her old ways. And the tragedy of how it wraps up; Her finally coming around, only to be cut down in that instance by her past self, The Doctor never knowingshe truly was ready and capable of change, and Simm rather murdering himself than accepting this future (what he similarly did in The Last of the Timelords). It's a fitting, tragic and ironic end for the character. Stabbing himself in her back. At least I thought so.
@tiffanyy86907 жыл бұрын
The whole Cyber Bill plotline was a great metaphor of gender dysphoria/body dysmorphia. As someone who suffers from the former, I thought it was really well done and a realistic representation of how it's like to have those conditions. But of course, as it always is with such things, most viewers seemed to miss it..
@Stubagful7 жыл бұрын
huh, didn't think of it like that. Yeah its weird how that angle didn't really figure at all to cis people like me cause it makes so much sense when you put it like that
@DalekWho19637 жыл бұрын
gender dysphoria? never heard of it.
@TheCrippledEgg7 жыл бұрын
That's an interesting way to view it.
@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes457 жыл бұрын
Oh my God. I have gender dysphoria myself, and I didn't even realize this parallel! mind blown!!!
@cameronamber7907 жыл бұрын
Same. I almost feel ashamed not to have noticed this metaphor. Aaah.
@JH-jl7cq7 жыл бұрын
It would've been fine if showrunners just let companions die! As the War Master says, "Death is natural". Speaking of which, are you going to get the announced Big Finish story about Derek Jacobi's Master in the Time War? I can't stop listening to the trailer for it.
@theoutcastboi7 жыл бұрын
The War Master is the best NuWho Master so far. Can't wait to hear him in his own audios, though is is a shame we'll never hear him face the War Doctor. :(
@iceoriental1237 жыл бұрын
The two incarnations of the War Master (the Time War Kid and the YANA Master) all seem so interesting. One of my all time favourite moments is the exchange between Alice Obiefune (11's companion who fell into the War) and the super creepy kid Master. (Being confronted by a race of Super Gods called the Cyclors that the Daleks recruited) Alice: Killing Gods. It's not possible. The Master (looking like Delgado due to Time War mess): Oh it is possible. This is the Time War. The Master (changing back to the creepy kid): You can murder *anything* here.
@theoutcastboi7 жыл бұрын
I don't like the idea of the Master regenerating into a kid again. Its not a concept I personally like. But yeah, the YANA/War Master is certainly the more interesting NuWho Master, even though he only appeared for about 5 seconds, which really shows how bad the other two Masters have been in comparison.
@iceoriental1237 жыл бұрын
I think partly due to Sir Derek Jacobi's acting goes from kindly old man to intimidating supervillain in a few seconds, and partly because I goddamn hated the way the Saxon Master was written. I told myself, John Simm is great. It's RTD's finale faults again. And then, The End of Time rolls around, and the Saxon Master is suddenly even worse now. From the stupid idea of him being revived by a cult that I doubt knew he was a Time Lord, to the whole death potion thing, to him jumping around and going "I'M SO HUNGRY NOM NOM". I actually liked Missy because she felt like the more sinister villain the Master should be, not a loud, screaming madman. And then Moffat had the whole redemption arc thing, which I really enjoyed. The Kid Master was in a comic so we can't really tell from his acting, but he felt creepy, and evil, and all, wanting to destroy the Overcaste and all, and then he decides the War Doctor is far too ruthless even for him, and eventually abandons him like a dirty coward and regenerates into the YANA Master. Overall, though his presence was short, a child Master worked in the comics because there's no shitty child actor to ruin it.
@theoutcastboi7 жыл бұрын
I'm not a fan of either of the main NuWho Masters to be honest. I don't despise or hate them, but they lack things the Master should have. Out of the two though, I think I prefer the Saxon Master (especially when not written like a loon. The Master was good in this story), mostly because I don't think Missy was very evil. She doesn't kill many people (only 6 people are shown to have died by her hand from memory) and her big 'Master' plan didn't kill anyone, just turn the already dead people into Cybermen. I haven't really read the year 2 11th Doctor comics yet, but it sounds cool, but I am really against the idea of Timelord becoming kids again. Also, I just think the War Master and War Doctor seem like they would play really well off each other. Both older warriors, on the same side of the War, but with different Ideals.
@T22667 жыл бұрын
Dude, You always identify and organize all those problems that I have with episodes but can't seem to point out. You are great.
@jplegend987 жыл бұрын
I like how i basicly casued the 12th doctor to fall over a few times.
@kickingroses89257 жыл бұрын
"The Doctor arrives on a frozen planet." If that scene is supposed to be set during the end of the Tenth Planet then they're on Earth in the South Pole.
@thrallfan10567 жыл бұрын
Steven Moffat had gone on record to say that he will never kill off a companion and if he was in charge of Classic Who back in the day then he would've resurrected Adric. Yeah... can you see why we all hate him?
@Pippland7 жыл бұрын
It's fine if he doesn't want to kill off a companion - lots of other companions have trotted off unharmed. It's his insistence on putting his companions in situations where they're "totally, 100% dead!" and then reversing that decision a few episodes later. Just don't even put them in that kind of a situation in the first place!
@Seldarius7 жыл бұрын
Thrall Fan I am okay with Bill turning into a water being and travelling the universe. I was okay with Clara dying because she tried to save someone without considering the consequences. I was okay with Amy and Rory settling down into a normal life and the doctor visiting them occasionally for Christmas dinner. What I am not okay with is the constant bait-and -switch Moffat keeps pulling. It's grating and it takes the impact from his stories. If you aren't able to kill your beloved characters, you should probably not be a writer, but aside from that, you should most definitely not keep using their death for shock value only to resurrect them by some asspull or another.
@iceoriental1237 жыл бұрын
Too late Adric got resurrected in the EU, and since BBC has gone on to say there is no actual canon, all sources except the TV show are now equal canon, thus meaning Adric surviving is technically canon, although tremendously stupid.
@Pippland7 жыл бұрын
Didn't that story take place in an alternate timeline?
@iceoriental1237 жыл бұрын
Though TARDIS Data Core labels it as an alternate timeline, the citation clearly says its a disputed statement, and the wiki page for the Boy That Time Forgot says it retcons the death of Adric 'partially'. Overall, I think the idea of that is just so mind-boggling stupid, the entire fandom has shoved this into non-canon status.
@britanimations20027 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it have been great if Heather came back, Bill was still a Cyberman, and died after a few words from her. That would've been emotional, and most importantly, it means the doctor can go back to the TARDIS, WITHOUT BILL COMING BACK FROM THE CHRISTMAS SPECIAL
@jaredjenkins997 жыл бұрын
I never realized how disliked John Simm's master was under RTD until this finale. I always thought his portrayal was well written and amazingly well acted.
@TheSuzberry7 жыл бұрын
The saddest part of this review is that --- we have to wait months for the next one. Thanks for your humor, snark, and especially thanks for caring.
@ameliawade787 жыл бұрын
my favorite nu who departure is Donna. It's not way too emotional, like bloody rose's departure, and isn't undermined in any way by fully bringing her back, unlike rose's departure, and is not a happy ending, unlike rose's eventual departure. God i hate rose's departure.
@TheCrippledEgg7 жыл бұрын
I actually shed a tear during Donna's departure.
@iceoriental1237 жыл бұрын
I felt like a goddamn second Rose goodbye during Journey's End severely weakened Donna's ending. Instead of spending time with someone who's character development somehow went backwards and transformed her from a compassionate, naive soul to a bitch, we could have more emotional impact if we had the Doctor running around trying to find a way for it to work and in the end being forced to wipe her memory still. I hated Journey's End almost as much as Hell Bent. Journey's End was a tremendous letdown that rehashed all of RTD's finale tropes and somehow made the intimidating Stolen Earth Daleks feel like shit just one episode later. The only good parts were Julian Bleach as Davros, the Reality Bomb, and Donna's departure. Oh and Wilf.
@ljllob47404 жыл бұрын
I agree
@jacoboblandonpineda2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, seems the same is gonna happen to Donna. Maybe, who knows, we still are over a year away from finding out.
@theshadowdirector7 жыл бұрын
The Master segments do at least fit into one of the themes of the story. Of having characters that would rather die than live on as something/someone else.
@eli_r_q7 жыл бұрын
Every time I watch this episode I cry non-stop for the last 20 minutes
@godoflight5586 жыл бұрын
11:39 Whilst it may be cheesy that the Pilot can turn Bill back into human, it is a necessary line, because turning her into Water Bill against her will would have been a terrible thing to do. The option of Bill turning back into human reinforces her love for the Pilot lady rather than Pilot lady forcing the choice onto her. I brainstormed some ideas for the Pilot lady resurrecting Bill and the line used was the only non creepy way to solve the Cyber Bill Problem. I think the main problem comes from Hell Bent and how Moffat undermining the Companions death in the season finale made Bills resurrection less tolerable. If Clara had permanently died in Face the Raven, then The Doctor Falls Ending would have been much better recieved GODDAMMIT HELL BENT YOU KEEP FUCKING UP LATER DOCTOR WHO EPISODES
@connorshelton95357 жыл бұрын
If I had written the episode, I would have had Bill succumb to the cyber conversion, slowly losing her humanity to the point where she tells the Doctor to kill her while she is still human. Ultimately, the Doctor does this causing him to go on a suicide run to kill all the Cybermen out of grief, rejecting his inevitable regeneration due to having failed to save his companion and wishing to die. Though this might be a bit of a motivational stretch, I feel it's much more compelling than the vague reasons for the Doctor rejecting his regeneration and Bill saved by deus ex machina water girlfriend.
@nachoalfonso26146 жыл бұрын
Connor Shelton Except the Doctor killing a companion (even if it's out of mercy) is totally out of character.
@petrus47 жыл бұрын
As I've said multiple times, I know exactly what Simm's point was in this story. "Problem, officer?"
@rog22247 жыл бұрын
Bill wasn't dead. She never died. She got rearranged out of the armour, but she never died.
@WhiskeyBrewer7 жыл бұрын
And now David Bradley is playing the first Doctor for Big Finish :) which he actually recorded before he was cast in the XMAS special lol
@defrostedrobot777 жыл бұрын
More like The Deja Stus am I right? The story might not change that much if you swap out Simm Master but the character stuff with Missy would really lose a lot of the metaphorical meaning. As I said in the last part Simm is basically a representation of the worst traits of the Master and Missy killing him and her killing her is incredible telling. One thing I don't really get is why would CyberBill laster thing be activated by anger? Doesn't using anger to use your weapons kind of go against Cybermen philosophy? The Cybermen just when they had the hoods over there heads and walking like zombies was some creepy shit. Might be the scariest they've been for me, mainly cause they aren't an iconic design. Got to say I got kind of teary-eyed when Bill was on about how she didn't believe the Doctor was really dead. It got to me damn it. Plus who doesn't love a Logopolis (and I guess Caves of Androzani homage).
@BalanceJackFireblade7 жыл бұрын
12:22 Not only did I have a feeling you were going to hate that line, I also heard it and had the exact same problem. "it's just atoms" made it feel less like Bill had to face consequences for what happened (even if those consequences weren't the worst) and more like someone gave this one girl access to real-life console commands.
@acorn10147 жыл бұрын
My prediction for Twice Upon a Time is that it takes place during 10th planet. The first Doctor is barely there throughout the whole story, maybe he was adventuring with the 12th Doctor.
@iceoriental1237 жыл бұрын
Considering First is on the verge of regeneration, this is very likely.
@Primodummy927 жыл бұрын
God I wish I was the Master's beard
@russelltietjen44077 жыл бұрын
You mean Lucy Saxon? * BA-DUM TISH *
@LCProductionCompany4 жыл бұрын
@@russelltietjen4407 god damn... That's not good, but... Damn...
@AlienIOIandroktone7 жыл бұрын
Ever think about going back and doing reviews of earlier episodes - maybe even the Classic series
@TIMELORD3277 жыл бұрын
One of the reasons Bill could hold back the programming, was because of her mental fortress during Lie of the Land. It was only a throw away line, but it was mice that it was referenced
@ViralForceMarketing6 жыл бұрын
man your xmas fanfic sounds way better than what we got.
@benw44097 жыл бұрын
I loved this one, to the point where I'd call it one of Moffat's best. I don't see any of the problems of Hell Bent or Death in Heaven except for maybe Bill's ending which was still good and better than Clara's. It's a fantastic character piece with brilliant dialogue and performances throughout, and the Cybermen kick ass.
@Giorgio-zd7np7 жыл бұрын
The only slight problem I had with this problem is that the Cybermen could have been shown more.
@benw44097 жыл бұрын
I do agree and I would have liked to see more Classic Cybermen, but this was easily the best New Who Cyberman story, not that there's much competition.
@theoutcastboi7 жыл бұрын
I'd actually have liked to see less Classic Cybermen... Wait!!! Before you dislike and that, hear me out. Imagine this. After the Doctor and Co leave the city, we don't see any more Mondasian Cybermen bar Bill. The Cyberman that comes out the lift would have been the only 2006 version, with all the others being 2013 versions. Then, when the Doctor gets shot by a Mondasian Cyberman, we figure out immediately that is Bill, who has been taken over by the programming. The Bill killing the Doctor thing would vaguely mirror the Lie of the Land's fake-out, perhaps making that fake-out seem slightly better in retrospect and also you have far more emotion in Bills exit, with Bill being destroyed in the explosion. I think that would have been a far better ending, but alas.
@TheSkully3437 жыл бұрын
+The Outcast YES!!! Good god that would've been a fantastically morbid way to end Bill's character arc.
@Giorgio-zd7np7 жыл бұрын
Good thinking actually
@jordon20747 жыл бұрын
I'm assuming the whole time being paused thing is why the regeneration stopped. No other reason.
@mrmr94207 жыл бұрын
Two issue 1)how come the only difference between humans and time lords is two hearts, no other differences? Not like there are diffrent types of blood... Diffrent DNA... Etc 2) how come when Peter Capaldi refuses to change it slows down the regeneration instead of just killing him like it did the master?
@denzy23897 жыл бұрын
Mike Mckay maybe he's regenerating very, veeery, slooowly
@simd30827 жыл бұрын
Normal Mofat Bullshit. It now kinda sad really
@natedog81017 жыл бұрын
Mike Mckay the first one is just cause the Doctor expanded humanity, the cybermen in this don't look at all of the differences just the hearts, it doesn't mean that's the only difference. as for the regeneration stuff, the real reason is because Peter Capaldi was supposed to regenerate in this episode, and Chris Chibnalls first episode was gonna be the Christmas, but he wouldn't do it so Steven Moffat saved Christmas and had to change the end of the episode to have one last episode for Christmas. And it's not extremely much longer it'll only be an hour or two more for him to put if off, since the Christmas special is seconds after the Doctor falls
@DarthRushy7 жыл бұрын
He's holding the regen back, not shutting it off, he doesn't want to kill himself either.
@oopus47 жыл бұрын
In Spearhead From Space the doctor had a blood test while he was recovering, and it was completly different from human blood. I could be wrong.
@timemeddler77307 жыл бұрын
Now that the series is over , could you review doctor who fan films or Classic doctor who ?
@jplegend987 жыл бұрын
I liked the episode. Bit dissapointed at the ending. Im suprised you didnt mention the master commiting murder on herself tho. Overall.second best moffet finalie but that aint saying much. (Does angels take manhattan count as a finalie?)
@doctorelbruz91817 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, no.
@meris84867 жыл бұрын
Feels like stu is actually starting to like Doctor Who again.
@chanceneck80727 жыл бұрын
I won´t forget the first time, I saw those titles either!
@thegd25677 жыл бұрын
I like how the image of the bald doctor doing the 'evil villain' think next to the converted people in your drawings had the same eyes as the people with dark eyes in your 8th Doctor series. It may be a coincidence as the master in that audio series did eye surgery and the Doctor in your drawing has the same dark eyes. Did I over think this?
@sirjedisentinel7 жыл бұрын
On the turning the Regeneration on and off, and the fake out the Tenth did, just remember... Romana. We share a lot of feelings on the Christmas specials, and like you I'm actually really excited for Twice Upon a Time. Granted, that's mostly because of David Bradley as the First Doctor (which I've been waiting for). Speaking of, before the Christmas special, do you think you could do a review of An Adventure in Space in Time?
@Jedi_Spartan4 жыл бұрын
I wish that we had seen more Classic Who variants of the Cybermen. Especially seeing as the original Mondasian Cybermen aren't seen as obsolete in universe in comparison to the New Who design for some reason. (Even though some would have needed to have further upgraded themselves).
@ollywill16577 жыл бұрын
Please review Philip K. Dick's Electric Dreams
@kathrynclune79517 жыл бұрын
I agree with most of this; particularly the resolution to Bill's story arc. Although I think that Simm's Master was woefully under utilised (a shame, as his portrayal of the character this time around was excellent, imo), he was clearly there to serve as a foil to Missy & the scene where they killed each other was a poetic inevitability which worked really well. Something of a tangent, but I did find the whole concept of Missy's redemption awkward - & not only because it was never explored with the kind of depth which would have given it the emotional heft that Moffat was aiming for. I just find it hard to accept that keeping someone in a vault for decades with only yourself & your 'inspirational' philosophising for company is truly redemptive. It's more like projecting your own ideals onto them & fashioning them into the character you desire them to be rather than facilitating any kind of personal epiphany . I don't think it's altruistic on the Doctor's part at all. I think that, rather, it demonstrates his profound need for the friendship of an equal to assuage his loneliness. It's something that 10 wanted in LotTL, & the Master refused to regenerate rather than be held captive in this manner (his horror at the prospect is palpable). No wonder he's so exercised by the situation in TDF. Because it's fundamentally a denial of his own identity. And as far as the narrative goes, he's absolutely right. Part of the reason that his dynamic with the Doctor is so compelling is that whilst there are hints that he could potentially be redeemed, there are also hints that the Doctor could be corrupted, & this tension is interesting. Once the Master is actually redeemed, this is lost & so is their character as such. I can see what Moffat was trying to do, but imho he has taken the character down an unnecessary creative cul-de-sac. If they do feature in future episodes, either we know that they will ultimately side with the Doctor & all their actions will be coloured by this knowledge, or there will be a retcon of some sort that reinstates them as an antagonist, which undermines the whole redemptive arc as played out in this series. Thanks, Moff.
@sophiefilo167 жыл бұрын
Bill IS in the Christmas special. She was in the *official* trailer for it, which came out about a week after the finale...
@HiperPivociarz4 жыл бұрын
Hey, present Stu, if you're reading this, is this still your favorite companion departure in NuWho? Because I feel like Donna's departure fits more what you wanted, with it having lasting effects, and being a very tragic ending, but at the same time, shows Donna moving on.
@casualcraftman15997 жыл бұрын
Are you going to review season 4 of Bojack Horseman Stu?
@slateoffate98127 жыл бұрын
So...do you plan on making any more videos about the audio dramas? Please?
@unorthodoxbox5 жыл бұрын
In my Headcannon Bill and Heather are dead, that water form is just like the glass figures in Twice Upon a Time. May look act behave and have their memories but ultimately it isn't them anymore this is how I get round the whole "I can make you human again Bill" because I don't like the Cyberman conversion being taken back and just being fluff.
@englishgiraffe21247 жыл бұрын
Best Finale of NewWho since Pandorica Opens/Big Bang and Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways
@soarel3257 жыл бұрын
I love Happy Stuart!
@archive97967 жыл бұрын
Moffat trademarks 1)Title to bate fans 2)More time passing to make the story grander/don't need to set up stuff 3)Why do we need Missy ? 4)More epic speeches because people like them 5)Opening very removed from cliffhanger 6)Children 7)Sassy woman who says sexual things 8)Retread of past ideas 9)Fanwank 10)Companion dies but doesn't 11)Lines about how women are better than men to please tumblr 12)Two big iconic villains which don't do anything 13)Fake out ending
@TheGeoXWar7 жыл бұрын
ITM 31 You're acting like writers don't usually redo plot points, RTD did it all the time.
@MrBenram7 жыл бұрын
And that's bingo!
@archive97967 жыл бұрын
Not as much as Moffat know
@mujiescomedy2796 жыл бұрын
7991 0313 I don’t remember 5 being in seasons 9 and 10
@ChannelYep1237 жыл бұрын
Can we have the Doctor pitted up against Krampus?
@iceomistar43022 жыл бұрын
Love these titles stuart, you shoulda kept them
@rehanchowdhury3689 ай бұрын
It makes sense the doctor would fall- he is over 900 years old
@robd94136 жыл бұрын
Don't know if you've seen this one before, but there is a fan theory floating about - i.e. unlikely to ever be canon - that suggests the "Masters" we see on the show are not in the right order. It lifts from the "River Song/Doctor living in wrong-order" idea of Moffat's. It suggests that Simms' Master doesn't regenerate into Gomez's Missy. It suggests that when we last saw Simms' Master in this Episode, he was dressed and styled similarly to how we first see Delgado's Master all the way back in "Terror of the Autons", so could Simms regenerate into Delgado after being shot? We also don't know (unless I missed it) that the Deadly Assassin Master is a failed regen of Delgado's and have only assumed it because the order they appeared in. If the order isn't fixed then it allows it to be Missy's. Some we know (Deadly Assassin=>Ainley=>Movie (probably) and Jacobi=>Simms), but the rest are up for grabs. [Unless some Big Finish book that I missed has already killed the idea, of course.]
@Companion926 жыл бұрын
I think they gave Bill the chance to become human again, so that she can really chose the life with Heather instead of it and and not being forced into it.
@chanceneck80727 жыл бұрын
They can still end up as the Midnight Entity!! Maybe they do get corropted still, maybe by the sun of Midnight itself or they just completely get lost in space over such a long time and forget what human life means so that they come back in Midnight to learn again. Keeps me excited to think that some of this can still theoretically happen! Maybe the christmas special will fuck this all up.....
@Pippland7 жыл бұрын
I agree about the ending. If that one line had been excluded, this would have been one of my favorite companion departures in New Who ever. I mean, it's still not bad, but that one line is just so frustrating. Actually, we've had this problem before with Hell Bent. If they'd just let Clara return to Gallifrey to meet her fate rather than imply, "oh, hey, let's explore time and space again!" I reckon it would have been received much better. And the same goes for Osgood. If they'd just left us with one Osgood throughout the Zygon two-parter and left it to us to determine whether it was the Zygon or the original Osgood, it'd be fine. I do prefer Moffat over RTD, but he has a horrible habit of dismantling the emotional impact of his stories at the last possible moment.
@Concreteowl7 жыл бұрын
The story is about transformation. The Doctor, Bill and the Master. Simm is there to remind us how different Missy is from Simmy. This sets up the Doctor being resentful of his coming change. If the master can change maybe the Doctor will change into something worse. The master makes sense.
@ryanhunter2267 жыл бұрын
What pisses me off is that they threw the Surgeon out the window. Never heard of again, he was practically the Mondasian Lumic!
@Paceytron7 жыл бұрын
You know, the more that I look at how the Doctor Falls ended, with Bradley walking to Capaldi, the more that I've been confused with just how chummy Bradley's Doctor appears with Capaldi's Doctor. It's almost as if he was expecting him to appear there, almost eager for him to appear there, where as I would've expected more of the Troughton v Pertwee or Tennant v Smith initial interaction (What are you doing here?). Bradley's Doctor would've easily seen the TARDIS behind Capaldi's Doctor when he approached so there can't be any doubt that he knows who he is coming up towards. I don't know.. I feel like it wasn't down all that well.
@connorshelton95357 жыл бұрын
Great review. I agree that it was nowhere near as good as "World Enough and Time" and would ultimately call it a beautiful mess. Beautiful in the sense that there were some fantastic moments throughout the episode (Double Master Death, Bill's initial reveal, Nardol's final words to the Doctor, and the Doctor's speech to the Masters to name a few) but ultimately a messy episode if you take a closer look at it. Small stuff out of the way first, I still don't understand Missy as a character. That's not really this episode's fault seeing as it came the closest to giving her an actual character but in the end she reverts to her nature which was clever. Secondly, the Nardol subplot was pointless and could've been dropped for additional time to focus on other aspects. So now we have the two big problems with the episode, the Doctor trying to save everyone and Bill trying to retain her humanity. While a little unfocused, it's pretty good up until the end. Beginning with the Doctor's motivations for not wanting to regenerate, not only is it vague and stupid, it's been done already to polarizing views. Secondly, the deus ex machina ending. This is the point where it becomes Hell Bent 2.0 (an episode that I personally feel was given to much unjustified hate) as it repeats the trope of the companion being saved by an outside force and allowed to journey through time and space for eternity. The fact that they did this once is baffling but to do it twice is just infuriating. Ultimately, the episode should have had Bill slowly succumb to the cyber conversion until she pleads with the Doctor to kill her while she's still human. Only then does the Doctor go on a suicide run due to the sudden grief of having failed one of his companions and is rejecting his eminate regeneration because of the pain he feels to the point where he wants to die. The episode would have been so much stronger had they done this and it would've made a much more interesting set up for the Christmas special
@baka-chan96677 жыл бұрын
I predict that in the Christmas special 12 and 1 are gonna team up to save galafray as they did in the 50th anniversary special. It would be a nice full cycle kina thing i feel
@casualcraftman15997 жыл бұрын
The shitty Rick Sanchez ripoff yelling no during regeneration looks similar to Darth Vader yelling no at the end of Stars Wars episode 3.
@scix87943 жыл бұрын
This is in my top 5 favorite dr who episodes including big finish. This story is gorgeous its a wrok of goddam art.
@hppo15 жыл бұрын
So i just realise something are the toclafane actually spherical cybermen?
@alexpattison64487 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, also mostly enjoyed the episode myself and pumped for the Xmas special first one really looking forward to in many a year. Will you be reviewing The Prisoner Vol 2 from Big Finish ?
@TheSkully3437 жыл бұрын
My points on this episode are pretty much in line with this video. Except now I really want Twice Upon a Time written by Stuart Hardy
@tardisnet94877 жыл бұрын
I was really expecting this episode to be a let-down as the second part of a Steven Moffat two parter usually is despite him being a very talented writer. This is a case where a pessimistic attitude proved me wrong as it turned out to be one of the best episodes Steven Moffat has ever written.
@analothor6 жыл бұрын
i think the masters presence was necessary here because its the window into missy's past and her inner conflict
@marcelltoing83637 жыл бұрын
Why didn't Bill recognise the new Cyberman from the events of Dark Water and Death in Heaven?
@bookwyvern59947 жыл бұрын
I actually found Bill's ending to be WAY WAY better than Clara's. You seriously had to expect Bill to be back in the Xmas special. That's a given. I'd be really pissed if Clara showed up.
@MrBenram7 жыл бұрын
Heather annoyed me to no end. They share a few scenes in one episode at the other end of the season, and it's treated like a serious relationship. Yes, I know The Pilot takes place over a couple of months, but if we never see the relationship develop and progress, why should we care? Especially as she's never mentioned once as a love interest in episodes 2-11.
@Asimov166 жыл бұрын
I didn't really care about Bill being turned into a Cybermen, I think Bonnie Langford is a better companion than she ever was. Plus the Cybermen should have evolved into 80's Cybermen with the moonboots before turning into the Iron man Cybermen.
@technicallyfootsies99987 жыл бұрын
How about that David Bradley Big Finish announcement, eh?
@doctorwhofan45867 жыл бұрын
Cybermen Story I've Been Waiting Since Age Of Steel
@SunniestAutumn7 жыл бұрын
"Oh, I wonder if there's anything new on YouT-- KILL ME NOW."
@guygrist44367 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I was left completely cold with the finally it was almost Hell Bent allover again the jarring tonal shifts through me out of episode.
@09philj7 жыл бұрын
Best finale since Journey's End. Admittedly, that's damning with faint praise, but this was fairly fun.
@RandomThumbVids3 жыл бұрын
The Master was unnecessary in this story? We're you like... Doing a crossword puzzle throughout this episode or something?
@RabbiB0Y6 жыл бұрын
If they wanted to do the upgrading themselves below deck thing they shouldv’e used all of the cyber man the og mondasion, the moon base, and the 70s/80s Cyberman, then the two mondern
@thethinkingcatakaneonormie35274 жыл бұрын
Wow how shit did you feel on getting to the Christmas Special
@timrob127 жыл бұрын
This last season is really good. Proves that Clara was the problem in the previous series. And that she, in my opinion, stayed for one season too long. Also, you reference "Listen" and the opening moments of "Name of the Doctor", and just like the end of "The Doctor Falls", these are all moments featuring the First Doctor.
@chanceneck80727 жыл бұрын
To your credit: A PUDDLE made a relevant appearance!!
@uniseine7 жыл бұрын
Saved by a puddle of space oil.
@casualcraftman15997 жыл бұрын
I know one thing that's going to happen with 12 regeneration story. It will create another dumb debate on weather if it's a heartwarming farewell or if it's an irritating self indulgent wank just like The end of time and The time of the Doctor.
@simd30827 жыл бұрын
So no words about writers taking as you said "cowards way out" on the whole "Doctor is captured and Master is in control of the cybermen?" Also Cyberman's origin as a backdrop to the story again. We basically got nothing about the lower decks. Spare Parts this is not Also didn't they implied part of the Water Lady was in Bill and protected her from becoming full one Cyberman? Magical Tear and all. But still nice video, waited really long for it and it was worth it.
@YourBeingParanoid7 жыл бұрын
The first 10 minutes of the previous episode had me begging for a Missy spin off series where she is just the anti-Doctor. She turns up and instead up saving the day, she fucks things up, in her perfectly portrayed madness only she can pull off. So I was gutted when Moffat not only killed off Missy but had to throw in that stupid line from Simm, saying that there were no more regenerations because the magic wand was on full power. I also loved her sonic umbrella - just FAB!
@TheCrippledEgg7 жыл бұрын
lol The Master always comes back, even when it seems certain he won't. _Come, come, the whole universe knows I'm indestructible!_ Ainley Master, Mark of the Rani
@YourBeingParanoid7 жыл бұрын
Yes, but I so wanted her specific version to continue because she kept fucking with the Doctor so much.
@lepterfirefall6 жыл бұрын
Your version of the Christmas special would have been better.
@jem2297 жыл бұрын
Hey Stu, I was wondering if you're watching electric dreams on channel 4. I thought that the impossible planet was an absolutely amazing story, but no-one else seems to be watching it.
@riffgrindergeneral7 жыл бұрын
Got to say, I find it endlessly amusing that a 12 year old show is repeatedly described as "new."
@codyw16 жыл бұрын
We have to call it something to differentiate it from the proper show. Calling it "the shit version" would only trigger people lol...
@archive97967 жыл бұрын
I do have many problems with this episode, I don't understand how/why people see it as one of Moffats best when it's just doing the same thing he's done before
@archive97967 жыл бұрын
toast99bubbles yes people see it as a huge brilliant finale ... only cous of the fan bits and not because it's brilliant
@johnwhittington29987 жыл бұрын
ITM 31 it's the least shit
@TheGeoXWar7 жыл бұрын
You don't understand why people have different opinions?
@ljllob47404 жыл бұрын
I thought it was average not bad but average
@Pcwarmachine7 жыл бұрын
Ermm.... Doctor Who meets Nightmare Before Christmas?
@ender72787 жыл бұрын
While Saxon himself doesn't do much in the episode, the contrast between him and Missy shows the Master's character development.
@TheCrippledEgg7 жыл бұрын
That's fine, except there was very little development on Missy's side.
@HowDoIMakeAUsername6 жыл бұрын
I'M FROM THE FUTURE DON'T GET EXCITED FOR THE CHRISTMAS SPECIAL IT'LL ONLY MAKE YOU EVEN MORE CYNICAL You have been warned
@ndrewwb7 жыл бұрын
I felt like it was a massive fuck you from Moffat to those or us who loved the 1960s ones. I felt like World Enough and Time had a massive build up to it that just got forgotten about straight away in the second part. Also, since when did the Mondasian cybermen get lasers?
@nonadest7 жыл бұрын
Re: Masters The point about this fitting somewhere else is well made, but I wonder whether this whole thing didn't arise from the shooting-in-the-back idea then get used here as part of a Gomez leaving/Chibnall coming/clear the decks/keep the contract paperwork simple combination. It might be better elsewhere, but may only have been practical here. Re: Heather. I'm inclined to read Bill's tears throughout this and the previous as coming from Heather rather than Bill, and thus to read the survival of Bill's personality as due in part to her being sort of insulated by Heather. For me, this makes Heather's appearance at the end a little more organic and while the she's-gone-but-she's-back element is a bit annoying, I've liked Bill enough that I don't really mind.
@jimslav69737 жыл бұрын
Yup, once again Moffat undercuts his own drama. So don't feel sad about Bill turning into a cyberman. She can become human, travel the universe while boffing her new water girlfriend, zap through time, and regenerate as a juggler. Also, the Doctor's not blind anymore, Clara's not dead; she's in her own TARDIS with companion in tow, and Rory just reappeared as a Roman Legionnaire, a French nobleman, and one of the Cosby kids for some reason. No one gets an unhappy ending except D. Pink.
@jimslav69737 жыл бұрын
Oh, and Martha. Martha just looked at Tennant pathetically lamenting his dumb, slack-jawed ex-companion one day and said, "Fuck it!" Left the TARDIS and now she's in Sense 8 wearing an enormous, black, strap-on dong. Good for you kid. You went places.