He Who Moans Reviews: Doctor Who: Fugitive of the Judoon

[@friday6448]

Should have upped the nostalgia and brought back 'prediction corner'

[@ramblesrandom]

Luv a bit of good ol' prediction corna

[@90RavenBlack]

That was a very early-90s shirt the Ruth Doctor was wearing, therefore she's the 8th Doctor from a universe where the show didn't get cancelled in 1989. :P

[@orienday3430]

I dropped bojack to watch this. that's how much I care about this

[@A-Disappointed-Horse]

I had just finished Bojack and needed something familiar to watch while I processed it. Stu was there right on call.

[@lucasdolding6924]

Same for me, this is the first thing I've put on after watching the finale.

[@Stubagful]

So there I am, minding my own business "okay so I guess I'm reviewing Doctor Who, but I've got all the time in the world to get my reviews done" and then THAT happens (Fyi: I'm away next week so I'll get behind again but I NEEDED to do this one ASAP)

[@kren62]

Can u please review the war doctor series they are worth listening to

[@calumbishop7082]

To be fair about the War Doctor, Moffat didn't intend to introduce a new regeneration, he wanted to use Eccleston's Doctor for the 50th anniversary, just Eccleston refused to play any part forcing him to introduce a new incarnation so he wouldn't have to change the story much. As for the Meta-Crisis Doctor, that always felt half-assed the (even the Doctor in Time and the Doctor, only used that as a possiblesuggestion, so he probably wasn't sure), so the Ruth Doctor could easily fit in as the actual lost regeneration (presumably in the Season 6B slot, as she is or was an agent of the Time Lords) As for the new regeneration cycle, that has more to do with it being pre-established from the 4th Doctor era of a 13 regeneration limit, and Moffat addressing that, allowing Doctor Who to potentially continue on for another 50 years.

[@iain9757]

Maybe if Captain Jack had been in Orphan 55 then people would have called it the best episode ever

[@benw4409]

Thing is you could've put that Jack plot into any episode and it wouldn't have changed anything. It only exists to separate the companions and introduce yet another arc.

[@Freak80MC]

@@benw4409 Yea it was depressing how cut off he was from the main episode. Like they could have filmed his parts on a greenscreen in his own house and it wouldn't have changed a thing.

[@BH-98]

Jack in orphan 55 “Beware the benni! Don’t give HER what she wants”

[@Telos1807]

People would call The Twin Dilemma a masterpiece if Jack got put into it.

[@Yan_Alkovic]

EXACTLY!!!

[@iain9757]

“If you look at River Song at the start and then at the end” So Ruth Doctor isn’t going to be solved for 7 years ???

[@Ben-vf5gk]

2011 is back, baby!

[@apexa903]

There is a difference between solved and last appearance, I mean river was sorta solved in S6

[@Ukeepthelies8471]

I hated the entire River Song story line. It was so much better when the Doctor knew a lot about many things. He could solve many problems, a man of more mystery. We know everything about him, except his phone number these days.

[@jedirulz123]

Come one, it was solved less than two series later and she'd popped up a lot between then. We really didn't have long to wait.

[@iain9757]

ApexArmy ok well it won’t be over for 7 years

[@CODEFORTYTWO]

I was a really big fan of Jo Martin's doctor and would love to see her fully take on the role but the leaks suggest she's a pre Hartnell incarnation and that's something I fundamentally can't get behind,

[@marinettedorien8236]

In my head I pretend that she is either alternate universe or the season 6b theory

[@ShamrockParticle]

or between 8 and 9 👍

[@thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051]

Honestly, that twist ending had me on the edge more than when I learnt that Bruce Willis was dead in The Sixth Sense. I honestly think that Chibnall put more love and care into Jo's Doctor more than Whittaker's

[@eonoflegend2985]

The whole twist doctor thing was kind of a big risk in itself. Especially since I like the other doctor so much more than Jodies.

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@eonoflegend2985 Which is what we wanted him to do.

[@Ben-vf5gk]

Having Ruth exist during the S6B period would make the most sense if during that time she was working for the Timelords discovered what the Timeless Child was and had her memory wiped and turned into 3rd Doctor, also given one extra regeneration by the timelords so the Doctor wouldn't notice that they're missing a regeneration and suspecting something's a miss.

[@MichaelHickerson]

I've thought that sliding the Dr Ruth into the time between the second and third makes sense. Which means it won't happen.

[@Ben-vf5gk]

@@MichaelHickerson Either that or the second timeline Doctor- which would be a great way of incorporating the Morbius Doctors and the Scream of the Shalka version like Stu suggested.

[@SuperWolsey]

Or she's the 10th Doctor to REG's 9th/Shalka or after David Warner's Unbound 3rd....* *Oh goddamn it, I think I gave Nick Briggs and Jason Haigh-Ellery an idea for a new Benny box set.... 😵😨

[@Ben-vf5gk]

@@SuperWolsey Maybe they'll credit you

[@ZakJordan98]

Member? Member Jack? Member the Judoon? Member when David Tennant said Judoon Platoon Upon The Moon?

[@simd3082]

Remember then show was interesting?

[@jmorton201]

@@simd3082 I member well

[@jmorton201]

I need memberberry vomit so I can enjoy nuwhoo

[@tedmiller210]

I kind of want the Ruth doctor to be the next incarnation of the doctor for two reasons. The first is that it doesn't complicate continuity. The second is I feel like she had a stronger presence as the doctor than Jodie does.

[@ShamrockParticle]

A bit of silly putty has more presence, but that was Chibnall's general style too. Jo's incarnation seems too fantastic for the era and Jo's presence is probably the strongest of all modern Who's.

[@misterlyle.]

I've only seen clips, but they make this new Fugitive Doctor look very good. She even reminds me of River Song, actually. I think it would be a positive move if Jo Martin became the next Doctor. And then in her first episode she ends up _rescuing River Song._

[@shwenty1734]

Not a big fan of retconning Doctors. As much as I enjoyed John Hurt's performance it still took me awhile to like the idea. But hat's the one time I'll accept it. I shan't be doing it again. This'll probably be the last series I watch anyway until a new Doctor and or Show runner (hopefully both) come into it. I just can't be arsed with it anymore. I'll stick to the classics and Big Finish.

[@joeespin4377]

it could only be retconning doctors if ruth fits in the existing doctors. if it turns out that she is either from a line that predates hartnell or one that runs concurrent with hartnell. what if its revealed that ruth not only crossed her line of drs to get here but shecrossed 3 or four other concurrent lines of drs to get here wouln't thatt really screw everything up?;)

[@SuperWolsey]

Im still against Hurt's Doc to this day

[@joeespin4377]

@@SuperWolsey why he was a needed thing because eccleston didn't want to come back

[@CamPalinSmith]

@@joeespin4377 Or they could have just used McGann.

[@joeespin4377]

@@CamPalinSmith no tghry could not have according to "the night of the doctor: minisode 9 could not fight so he forced himself to regenerate into the warrior.

[@benw4409]

You and MrTARDIS uploading reviews on the same day has made me so happy. Especially as you both compared it to Let's Kill Hitler which I didn't notice but totally get now. Ah yes, I seem to remember you saying you enjoyed A Good Man Goes to War. I do too, it's a masterpiece.

[@omegaaverenger112]

I’m calling it, both she and Sacha Dhawan’s Master are from a parallel universe. It’s not like NewWho hasn’t done parallel universe stories before (Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel), and there were hints of different universes colliding since Spyfall. I personally don’t think Chibnall will retcon the First Doctor like that.

[@warblenoise]

God I wish

[@omegaaverenger112]

Wafflefive as it turns out I’m actually quite fine with how things turned out. Thinking this whole backlash is really overbloated

[@warblenoise]

@@omegaaverenger112 I'm not, it completely ruins the entire point of the show that the doctor is just somebody trying to do the right thing when it turns out they were essentially a god all along. Chibnal never had any sense not to mess with talented writers' work.

[@omegaaverenger112]

Wafflefive Chris Chibnall clearly knows what he’s doing, has known since probably 2008 when he wrote Adrift. And Doctor Who is far from ruined, this actually restores some of the missing mystery to the titular character that we haven’t had since probably 1969.

[@warblenoise]

@@omegaaverenger112 Explain a single way in which revealing the origins of the doctor and the timelords restores any mystery.

[@09philj]

1. The TARDIS gets stuck as a police box in An Unearthly Child 2. The sonic screwdriver was introduced in Fury From the Deep 3. The First Doctor regenerated into the Second Doctor onscreen 4. Ruth's TARDIS is a police box 5. Ruth didn't recognise the sonic screwdriver So, basically, either Ruth is an alternate version of the Doctor in some sense (Probably my preferred resolution to the plot), the next Doctor, or she's something monumentally stupid. Otherwise, this was an OK episode, and generally well paced and written, although the use of Captain Jack was bizarre. Just bring him back or don't, not this pointless teaser cameo. RTD would probably have put this episode just before the finale, and unless more stuff happens in episodes 6, 7, and 8, that's probably where it should have gone.

[@doughorton3635]

I agree with your five points. It also wouldn't make sense if she was the real Doctor before Hartnell because then we'd have to accept the "logic" that she was a woman traveling around in time and space in a Police-Box TARDIS (something the Time Lords would have frowned upon) then she came back to Gallifrey (as a man or changed into one), had a family, left Gallifrey again with his granddaughter in a plain TARDIS that got stuck as a police box yet again.

[@TheJaviferrol]

This episode is literally that Twilight Zone sketch from the Fururama episode

[@ZakJordan98]

....... Turns out it's Man

[@MariaIsabellaZNN]

The Scary Door !

[@ZakJordan98]

@@MariaIsabellaZNN It's not fair! IT'S NOT FAIR Wait my eyes aren't that bad, i can still read the large print books. *eyes fall out* Aaaargh oh good thing i can read braille

[@MariaIsabellaZNN]

Help me, Eva Braun! (Oh wait that was the other episode)

[@calliesanderford3410]

When the chameleon arch moment happened, I almost hoped the lighthouse was her Tardis with the spiral staircase and light on top. Oh, well...

[@BlindTimeLord]

I have a friend who theorised that the Ruth Doctor could actually be the Watcher :)

[@maxkennedy7430]

Omega is the Doctors Mother And Rassilon and the Doctor have a Kroton as a child!

[@bostao4216]

And The Other is his dad

[@Yan_Alkovic]

Oh no, not the Krotons!

[@ZakJordan98]

And their grandchild is a Quark

[@SirStrangefolk]

Or a crouton?

[@bostao4216]

@@ZakJordan98 and the child's oncle is a Vord

[@CSManiac33]

"Maybe it makes the Morbius Doctors Timeline Canon"

[@Jedi_Spartan]

Yep... those words didn't exactly age well.

[@Ben_Kirkham]

Oh, those first 8 Doctors. Life was simpler then. And I love them all. :-)

[@SuperWolsey]

Then the RTD Nation attacked.....

[@Reprodestruxion]

Divergent timeline hence why both Ruth and Gat are unaware of the current Gallifrey’s fate . I’d say second war doctor that became a Paradox when time was shifted again and War Doctor went back to his dying a natural death fate

[@tomwills5231]

The review I’ve been waiting for...

[@henryworrall1135]

Has anyone else noticed how the 12th doctor said he only "*thought* he used to be a man" at the start of World Enough and Time when he was explaining about him and Missy to Bill. I might be reading too much into it but Ruth Doctor could be from when he lived on Gallifrey before the 1st Doctor.

[@louiswright8282]

Hi stubagful. I'm really glad you enjoyed this great episode. Lets hope the rest of series 12 keeps it up. Also, do you think you could do a video an a review about the dr who story warriors' gate?

[@weaseljay469]

this ep just made me wish i was watching doctor who episodes with ruth as the doctor...

[@DarthRushy]

As a massive LOST fan, I really appreciated the reference lol. I hope you're not dismissive of it just because it was extremely dense. :)

[@iamtheecho]

I really miss when the show was about adventure and exploration since the back half of season 7 it’s just been about retroactively bastardizing The Doctors Personal timeline and I am fed up with it. Clara getting credit for everything we loved about the Doctor, Surprise John Hurts, the 1st Doctor showing up and being a low-key sexist and now more new old Doctors because reasons. Stop retconning the past leave it alone, look to the future, move the story on create new thing and new adventures. Add to the history of the show instead of messing with it . Retroactively adding new old incarnations to the Doctors timeline DOES NOT WORK! Brain of Morbius hinted at past unseen lives and the fans soundly rejected it and The War Doctor was such a ham-fisted continuity destroying mess that he has all but been forgotten.

[@jleigh329]

@CosmicThunder I couldn't agree with you more! It's so annoying! Like I get "The Doctor's" a Timelord and theirs time traveling (obviously) but yeah...just leave the old timeline ALONE! Yeah that stuff just pisses me off. I mean I didn't grow up with "Classic Who" or anything but I was able to watch some of the 1st Doctor and all of the 5th Doctor to definitely feel the same way about this. But yeah I wish they would just stop with this sort-of stuff.

[@doughorton3635]

I agree as well. I also miss the good 'ol days of good sci fi and adventure stories and wondering where the Doctor will end up next. For me, the magic of Doctor Who is gone.

[@PeterCamberwick]

That's the problem, though I sound like a loony for even saying it. But the problem at the moment just in general, is that we can't be seen to move on to the future until we've corrected the past. That's all they're interested in doing, and there's so much past to attempt to correct.

[@jleigh329]

@@doughorton3635 Same. Ever since the 2nd half of Series 6 of Matt Smith's (11th Doctor's) run I personally felt like it has been a "chore" to watch "Doctor Who". And with a new Showrunner nothing's really changed about that unfortunately (at least for me). And even after the 11th Doctor I've tried to give the new "Doctor's" the benefit of the doubt, but in the end they still feel like a "chore" to watch. And the thing is I wanted to like the 12th Doctor and even the 13th Doctor but neither have done anything for me (regardless of their age or gender). Just saying.

[@BalanceJackFireblade]

I think the twist in this episode works for me the most because of the context given by what the Master said in Spyfall. I really like the idea that the Master reveals the time lords were lying about something and there's a huge conspiracy, and the Doctor doesn't really get what he's even talking about until she runs into a past incarnation of herself that completely upends her idea of what her own lifetime has looked like. (especially since meeting a new Doctor is a huge surprise to the audience as well) Obviously, that implies that the two things are connected, but it seems like that's where they're going with it.

[@emeraldchiptune]

The idea that we might just get random "filler" episodes between now and the finale, is a little thrown off by the addition of a co-writing credit from Chibnall on every upcoming episode that we know anything about, when they'd previously been listed as entirely solo scripts. Seems like _something_ is happening.

[@Unemportant]

I think the new Ruth doctor could be from the Russell t Davis parallel universe

[@zarrg5611]

Disappointment is an emotion most treasured by us Britons and Dr Who, as an item of British entertainment has always delivered on this. The old way, and the way that has been used up until two years ago is to have a lot of rubbish or forgettable stories with the occasional good story mixed in so we know how good the show can be and how much it is failing to meet that level of quality. Moffat introduced overcomplicated story arcs that led nowhere, but created anticipation, and as an extension had entire episodes dedicated to nothing but the discussion of the story arcs which would retroactively become emitters of disappointment once the arc fell flat. Chibnall, in his genius has finally worked out a way of doing away with any good episodes, but keeping the fans from boredom (which will ultimately dull any disappointment) by creating arc episodes with tenfold the amount of anticipation packed in by sacrificing any consistency of story. The future of Dr Who and the British Dream is exciting.

[@1015Elvis]

Even stu is pulling my nostalgia strings. How dare you soothe my earlier depressive days.

[@Reprodestruxion]

Jo being 14 is a very elegant and direct solution except for how it relates to Gat

[@kurtispopp]

An actual critique of the episode on the basis of its quality as opposed to white male persecution complex political whining. Now THAT'S a breath of fresh air.

[@NitroIndigo]

I thought Rowan Atkinson played the Ninth Doctor in The Curse of Fatal Death.

[@marionbaggins]

Yeah he did...

[@NitroIndigo]

All this time later, I realised that he was talking about Scream of the Shalka when he said Richard E. Grant played the 9th Doctor.

[@britanimations2002]

Maybe I'm just not a critic, more of an easy to please fan boy because I know this episode has falts, but I don't care, I just like the episode and oooooo shiny. And yes, I smiled when Stu changed his avatar back, I love that avatar idk why, prrobably because nostalgia

[@Kritfayle]

I was super impressed with the Judoon. I think the actor for the captain deserves some credit. The costume was pretty good but the actor gave him some little quirks. Little mannerisms that were cool. So far I have liked the new series a lot more than the first. Its not perfect but its been more fun. Hartnell vibes with the Tardis as well. I also liked she ragged on Jodie's costume.

[@steveelmy]

This is how things went for me with Fugitive of the Judoon: 1. So it's sort of like Smith & Jones. 2. OK, so the Fugitive is the Husband and not Ruth. 3. Why did the Judoon just teleport Graham? 4. NO Chibnall, you didn't bring back Captain Jack! YAY! 5. OK, so It's both Ruth AND the Husband that are Fugitives, probably from the Time Agency Jack was part of? 6. Nope, the Husband is Human, and Ruth is the only Fugitive. 7. Beware the lone Cyberman? Does that mean Ruth is THAT somehow what Ruth is? it would explain her sudden ability to fight the Judoon. 8. The TARDIS!? Ruth is F**king Doctor?! It's the "leak" come TRUE! Damn it! 9. Her TARDIS can't look like a Police Box, that's a continuity error! 10. She can't have a Chameleon Arch, THAT'S another continuity error! 11. Doctor Zero is a grumpy, unlikeable individual, who thinks nothing of hiding a lethal RIFLE, which is BOOBY TRAPPED, and kills her former Gallifreyan colleague (she says she "warned" her about it, but I don't remember her doing so). 12. Welp, now I know Chibnall is out to destroy Doctor Who and remake it all HIS way. 13. How DARE Chibnall mess with canon started and respected by SO many, all for the sake of HIMSELF. "Yes" the episode in essence wasn't "bad", but when it's title was a subversion, Captain Jack was a token cameo, and Chibnall has admitted he doesn't give a SH*T about what respectable fans think of "HIS" Canon, it kind of stands out as a low point in the history of Doctor Who. I will be VERY interested to see the ratings for Praxeus, given it will very probably have NOTHING to do with "any" of Chibnall's Retcons.

[@aristidetwain9117]

The odds are pretty good that Lee is the Master, you know.

[@Yan_Alkovic]

He was human :P Clearly a companion of Ruth's, perhaps from the future, like Jack.

[@joelakat]

@@Yan_Alkovic he also had the same training as Gat, made a dismissive aside to himself about humans, and was in a TARDIS with a chameleon arch that change your DNA. Why couldn't he also be a Time Lord?

[@Yan_Alkovic]

@@joelakat Cause if he could retain his memories he wouldn't have registered as human by the Judoon.

[@jessica-mh3os]

Have you seen the actor's tweets in response to this theory? Very suggestive of that being true

[@Yan_Alkovic]

@@joelakat No, wait, nevermind, I've rewatched it and all they said that Lee was not the fugitive. Oh well. It would be pretty cool if he'd been the Master though.

[@menwithven2862]

Your firing of these reviews faster than the show is

[@korereviews8088]

My main problem with this episode is that from the moment Ruth was revealed as the Doctor, i liked her more than Whittaker's Doctor - her outfit, mannerisms and performance were much better and more "Doctor" than Whittaker's version has been. Can we keep her and lose the other one somehow?

[@unheardsirensincorporated2036]

OMAGER! It could be OMEGA!

[@reecechambers3467]

Judging on how the show is repeating storylines, Jo Martin's Doctor could be a parallel Doctor, which would tie in with the Cybermen at the end.

[@iKillerZombie]

0:48 Wow, you were actually right with that one

[@WhiskeyBrewer]

The discussions of the episode on The Divergent Universe page is something

[@TheGreatLordDufus]

I really hope its not another "insert Doctor here", or a forgotten pre-Hartnell version. And I suspect it isn't, although it would be the easy out. "Prediciton Corner Revisited" : the annoying line in Orphan 55 about the future not having happened even when you've been in it (or whatever tripe it was that makes everything that has ever happened utterly meaningless) will be important. "ruth" is an alternate timeline Doctor who later loses their existence as the threat of ther timeless child is revealed and Gallifrey restored (again) without having been destroyed in the first place. The second option is an alternate reality Doctor, from the same realm as the Kassavin; which would allow an easier of the Master to return for the finale. As for Jack, pointless fanwank. Good to see him for sure, but all that just to deliver one line about a sole cyberman. About 10% of run time wasted on a diversion from the plot that delivered one line of potential substance. Bringing characters back is great, but use them. Like many, I'm still waiting on Carole Ann Ford doing Susan's regneration sequence, and entering the academy on Gallifrey. (No "Gallifrey" spin off from that, please.)

[@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond]

i love that you put Noel Edmunds as an alternate timeline Doctor. That would have been hilarious. Especially if his companion was Mr Blobby. Also Spyfall heavily hinted at a multiverse. So i think she's a doctor from another timeline/universe. At which point its no longer a problem of where she falls in the list of regenerations. In fact if they do go with this as an idea they could have a bunch of other actors also show up as regenerations from this other universe. Rowan Atkinson, Richard E Grant, Noel Edmunds. That DJ bloke who claimed to have been cast in the role after McCoy. Tim Curry. Hell throw in a few wildcards or obsurd fancasting too. Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, Dave Benson Phillips, Olivia Colman, Rupert Grint, Kris Marshall or Keith Chegwin. Saying they are incarnations from another universe which will never happen in the prime timeline would allow for some batshit crazy casting. Hell, Nigel Planer or a post-homous Rik Mayall. (Rik would have been an amazing Doctor.)

[@MatgoStyles]

I took that as a reference to Dimensions In Time which Edmonds introduced 😄

[@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond]

@@MatgoStyles yeah he was in it but not as a Doctor but i loved seeing him in a small reference nonetheless lol

[@cassiemcguire8314]

I’m already 100% needing a big Finnish jo Martin series it’s ok if new who fucks up the continuity big Finnish will fix it (again)

[@eonoflegend2985]

I've only just started to get into big finish but I've been really enjoying them so far. Would love to see that.

[@comicalbooklets8328]

I think it's unfair to say the early Moffat era existed solely for plot hooks. There were still plenty of standalone episodes. Even A Good Man Goes To War also exists to make a character driven point, that The Doctor has betrayed his ideals by becoming a warrior and a symbol of fear.

[@andrewlaporte5477]

Oh Wow Nostalgia Uhh Brings Back Memories

[@Samcole0408]

Try doing that timeline after "the timeless children"

[@Samcole0408]

It would have been cool if the Ruth doctor was the doctors granddaughter regenerated

[@SamyulDavis]

holy hell, it really would've been

[@carealoo744]

0:48 You called it

[@profblack]

I reckon Ruth is working for the Krotons to get lots and lots of other Doctors who are very clever and can fuel their space ships with their massive massive brains.

[@meatrace]

I hated the John Hurt Doctor. It was the perfect opportunity to bring back Paul McGann and unify the divergent canon (Wilderness Years) but instead they decided to do stunt casting and write fanfic. If this is more of the same I'll be upset, including the theory that she's a pre-Hartnell Doctor. Rubbish. I think the only explanation I will accept will be a divergent timeline. In fact maybe The Master's return wasn't so special after all, and he's HER Master (meaning from her timeline). We've been teased with "The Time Lords are returning" for at least a decade, and the closest we got was Hell Bent, which is hot garbage that I've done my best to scrub from my brain. Maybe the Time Lords ARE back, finally, but their return has done a real number on time itself?

[@milibaeindustries]

To be fair Moffat wanted to bring back McGann (after Eccleston said no) but the BBC said they needed something more - McGann just didn't have the public recognition. So Moffat realised the only real solution to give a massive twist and get some star power was a hidden Doctor.

[@meatrace]

@@milibaeindustries I hadn't heard that, are you sure?

[@milibaeindustries]

@@meatrace yep, Moffat has said so himself. once he came up with the concept of the War Doctor, although he was initially hesitant, he quickly realised they needed something that big if they couldn't do Eccleston or McGann, and Gatiss etc. agreed.

[@meatrace]

@@milibaeindustries lame. Still was Moffat's decision to bend canon over a barrel.

[@milibaeindustries]

@@meatrace didn't really bend canon that bad, it worked out in the end

[@enkelisuperholocaps8754]

Goddamn if Hell Bent didn't ruin my ability to trust a bad finale won't freaking ruin everything that came before it. This episode is entirely dependant on what they will do with the lone Cyberman, Ruth, the Master, Gallifrey, the Timeless Child and The Secret Horrible Truth Of The Past (tm). And if they keep adding elements to be resolved in the finale there's just no way it'll be satisfying. It already seems impossible...

[@eccentriastes6273]

Your timeline left out the Curator, the Doctor an undefined number of regenerations in the future who is also just the Fourth Doctor but older.

[@Allronix]

My guess was parallel universe, too. You start screwing with time and space that much and things are bound to splinter off and do their own thing. Ruth!Doctor should probably be called *ruthless* Doctor because she was vicious compared to Whitaker's. I've said that 13 reminds me a bit of 5 and 8; 5 and 8 were the sweethearts with a larger than usual contingent of Companions and rubbish luck. Well, Ruth!Doctor reminded me of 6 or 7; the ones who were good at alienating their Companions and utterly merciless to enemies.

[@briancurtis6022]

As enjoyable as Jo Martin is, this episode repeats the ongoing problem of surrounding a flat, weak main character with much better actors who are only guest-stars.

[@Ben_Kirkham]

Please please please please please please do more Big Finish reviews soon 😃

[@alfiehnotts]

7:45 wait till you get to the giggle 😂

[@_fesh]

What do you think about the rumours saying it might be a pre-Hartnell regeneration? Others say it might be between Two and Three (which would kinda make sense) but I don't imagine Chibnall would explain the circumstances behind a random story from 1969 for his story arc in 2020.

[@RiainRamblez]

First Mr TARDIS posts a review, then Stubagful?? Hell yeah

[@IDidntSetAHandle]

4:43 - I think the precedent was set with Utopia (of which FotJ is basically a mirror image)

[@jessica-mh3os]

I liked this episode a lot, and the fact that it felt like a guessing game of "who is the fugitive" and then "who's Ruth" was quite entertaining, much in the way that I found BBC's Sherlock entertaining. The only thing that really bothers me is Jack momentarily popping up. Thinking of the plot it feels quite out of place, and I think I'd rather have it happen at the end of episode 4 where it would definitely feel more important instead of being overshadowed by Ruth's Doctor. But overall it brought some lovely nostalgia and was really gripping. I'm excited to see where the rest of S12 takes this!

[@Muesliman467]

Random thought, but why do so many earth episodes take place in modern day Britain? They could give us some fairly recent nostalgia with episodes set in 1994 Skegness.

[@simd3082]

So 3 more mistery boxes, another "new" doctor who is the same as all new who doctors and no interesting story IN the actual episode. Ye show is undead at this point.

[@oliverhayhoe]

I really hated this story. The bad fanfic-y writing I loathed from the Moffat era has returned yet again.

[@ShamrockParticle]

Why would a "break in case of fire" emergency switch be housing the Doctor when any old sod on duty might need to break it?! (Not the best backup plan...)

[@modmaker7617]

How does Jo Martin's incarnation fit it? *The Doctor's timeline* _First Cycle_ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 War 9 10 10 (Meta-Crisis) 11 _Second Cycle_ 12 13 Theory 1 = Jo Martin's incarnation is 14 Theory 2 = Alternate Realities are colliding (My Favourite Theory) Theory 3 = Season 6B secret Doctor in between 2 & 3 that makes the Meta-Crisis irrelevant Theory 4 = Split Regeneration Theory 5 = Mandela Effect Theory 6 = She is from the future but not 14 but further away like The Valeyard Theory 7 = She comes before 1 (I hate this theory)

[@StefanTravis]

I have recently decided: I don't care about series continuity. It's never going to make sense, and the point of my watching DW is to enjoy it at the time, not torture the timeline into a consistent mega-arc. Because that's what religious maniacs and conspiracy nuts do.

[@joelmole3157]

Yay! I’m not the only one who wants Ruth to be 14!!!

[@Henry-oj1oo]

The video we was all waiting for

[@BH-98]

Hey you've caught up to the current episode

[@LeeHutchingsdrumsUK]

I actually liked the "Ruth Doctor". She had old-school vibes, for sure. I would have preferred this version of The Doctor to be the first female Doctor, but hey.

[@manis1551]

I like this episode and the twist was cool but it just feels very fan fiction. I hope Ruth isn't Pre-Hartnell as it would ruin the character development of the first Doctor as at first he was rude, selfish and initially he had no desire in being a hero but he slowly became the compassionate but adventurous character that we've come to know today. Also the First Doctor was surprised that the TARDIS was stuck as a police box and he didn't really know how to fully operate the TARDIS. Hopefully Chibnall isn't doing this twist for shock value and that he has a idea on how he wanted to conclude this mystery.

[@Johninadelaide2022]

Ruth is the Doctor between 2 and 3 because that's where 3 learned how to do chop chop moves

[@TheSkully343]

They'll probably use the amnesia excuse with Chibnall wiping the sweat off his brow going "PHEW! Angry letters avoided" : D And then the fans eat him for dinner.

[@Johninadelaide2022]

@@TheSkully343 With white wine of course :)

[@Johninadelaide2022]

And it will be glorious and make a good Dr Who episode. Angry fans taken over by aliens eat TV producer.

[@HerohammerStudios]

Ruth being the 14th (16th) Doctor doesn't make sense because of the Gallifrey stuff. She has to either be a different universe or past Doctor

[@timbogymbro66]

If they do some dumb shit and retcon Hartnell as not being the First Doctor, I'm out. I definitely want Jo Martin as Fourteen. I liked her for sure.

[@jamesbelchertv598]

I’ll give Chibnall his dues for at least trying to throw caution to the wind to try and break his own convention but I did say after Spyfall that destroying Gallifrey was sticking his head in the lion’s mouth and if this arc plays out as astronomically wrong as it has the potential to, there will be NO END of hell to pay for it...

[@simd3082]

"Breaking convention" by doing same old shit show did year after year under SM? He even made another 10 doctor clon. Ummm..

[@simd3082]

"Breaking convention" by doing same old shit show did year after year under SM? He even made another 10 doctor clon. Ummm..

[@jamesbelchertv598]

Sim D Well I did say TRIED...

[@KindaKhul0205]

I remember Series 1 trailers ” Do you want to come with me? “ Exciting trailers, followed by exciting stories. This Series is just Smoke & Mirrors. The Captain Jack scenes there to just promote the finale. The Judoon! Boring, thick Policemen for hire. Dr Ruth was far better than Jodie. That’s not saying much. I will stop watching until this era is over. That’s as long as Dr Ruth doesn’t turn out to be a Pre Hartnell Doctor , then I will be out for good.

[@Caredroia]

It's really sad that ruth was a better actor than 13. It really shoots both Chibnal's choice of casting Jodi as the Doctor, and the BBC's touting her as the first female Doctor. It seems realistic that current agenda will make it that the Doctor was always a Woman to begin with (an earlier Regen-cycle perhaps) and the implosion of the shows history, for the sake of tempting new fans.

[@charlestownsend9280]

The fact that the doctors timeline is already a mess makes me not really care or get annoyed by it changing again (that and i like the whole thing with the other, so this concept isn't new to me). Just like how the continuity of the show is such a mess, that i really don't care when lets say something about the future of earth contradicts anothet future of earth because it already contradicted itself loads of times before that.

[@TheWhoniversalMan]

I also have this feeling. It's already pretty ridiculously messy, and this twist doesn't feel categorically too distant from a lot of the wild retcons we've already had. I just hope it'll end up an interesting story in the end. So we'll have to wait and see. Like we tend to do...

[@johnburton3865]

Just found Chibnall saying this Ruth IS the Doctor and NOT an alternative universe one. So all we can do is wait and see. Interestingly she called her TARDIS her 'ship'. "The important thing to say is - she is definitively the Doctor,” he told the Mirror. “There's not a sort of parallel universe going on, there's no tricks. "Jo Martin is the Doctor, that's why we gave her the credit at the end which all new Doctors have the first time you see them. John Hurt got that credit.”

[@xedalpha1]

One of these days it’ll be the smoke monster...

[@casualcraftman1599]

Thoughts on the final Bojack Horseman episodes Stu? Are you going make a updated top 10 Bojack Horseman episodes list Stu?

[@iain9757]

Ian Levine liked this episode...

[@CamPalinSmith]

I was shocked by that. Levine usually hates modern who more than bowlestrek (which is saying something).

[@andrewf1145]

Probably because "Erhmergerd, classic TARDIS interior!"

[@Jake-pr7js]

TheCynicalRose he hates woman doctor but apparently two woman doctors are good like wtf

[@ZakJordan98]

I guess we're not getting the long awaited sequel 🎵 Doctor In A Dress 🎵 after all

[@richsc21]

Why ARE there polar bears on the island?

[@unorthodoxbox]

I do wonder if things go south with this Ruth Doctor if Chibnall will use the Ghost Monument to say hey yeah the Doctor and her companions go teleported to another reality so all of my mess ups don't count.

[@lifeonmars1998]

Feel like when a new showrunner inevitably looks to revive the show, they will look at all these "secret regenerations" as overly complicated and may be tempted just to reboot the series to make it simpler for mainstream audiences, whilst also having the benefit of reintroducing a lot of the concepts.

[@shakeela6128]

Capaldi is the first doctor of the new regeneration cycle, right? Because Matt got that new cycle from the time lords.

[@teenytv5194]

So the crack in Time gave the doctor 13 more regenerations? Or was it an infinite amount? I can’t find where it was specified

[@jmorton201]

Timelords gave matt smith dr more regenerations. Crack in time killed him and amy brought back her concept of the doctor rather than the doctor .

[@teenytv5194]

J Morton ohh, how many regenerations did he get given by the time lords?

[@jmorton201]

@@teenytv5194 dunno but it was the great and powerful clara who pleaded his case yet again destroying dr who continuity by Moffat

[@Ben_Kirkham]

7:54 absolutely spot-on.

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

Finally, someone who actually pronounces "Omega" correctly.

[@anamaaes9218]

Watching this after the finale and Oh no

[@marineboy1964]

You f**king nailed it

[@timrob12]

So, I know that people have been asking why Jack was in the episode if he's, apparantly, not going to come back. Was it Chibnall trying to just throw in needless fan-service? Not exactly, I realized it was done to get the companions away from the Doctor during the Ruth reveal, which works so much better with just the Doctor on her own. Imagine if the companions were there, they would have to write in unnecessary dialogue for them. So THAT, people, was probably why Jack came back.

[@theoutcastboi]

The bit where you make the Timeline kinda sums up a big problem I've had with Doctor Who since Day of the Doctor. The timeline should be simple and easily to follow, just 1 - 13, but now it's all over the shop with hidden Doctors, non-Regenerations that still count and mass confusion. When I'm having debates with people about whether 10 after Stolen Earth was a different incarnation to 10 prior to Stolen Earth, that's a problem, and if I and other long term invested fans are debating about the amount of Doctors there are, god knows what the average joe would think to the timeline. At this point I feel the show just needs to retcon all these hidden Doctors and meta-crisis Regenerations, just bring it back to a simple 1-13 again.

[@BadWolf739]

Lee was also a timelord wasn't he? Gat mentions that they went to the same training school and she is then revealed to be a timelord.

[@tonym2744]

What was the promise he kept???

[@BadWolf739]

@@tonym2744 ???

[@tonym2744]

@@BadWolf739 before he turned himself in he said; I'll keep my promise.""