Stubborn meat eater gives Vegan WAY more than he bargained for

[@JoeyCarbstrong]

Watch til the end, she might just have a change of heart!! Like, comment and subscribe for more videos. Support my work here: www.joeycarbstrong.com/supportourwork 🌱 For free help going vegan 👉🏻 Start here: bit.ly/JoeyVegan22

[@redbriarn6295]

If human beings are in a starvation situation… can they eat animal products

[@evilsotherbrother7481]

@@shshsh-s5o but it is moral and necessary to slaughter animals for meat. You arent entitled to decide whats moral or necessary for anyone but you. Now crawl back under the log from where you came and stfu.

[@Cowz19999]

@@shshsh-s5o Like Kyle Rittenhouse.

[@RafaelbySuzannah]

There's no species on the planet that mass produces animals and mass murders them and doesn't in the cruelest ways as well as makes Frankenstein animals meaning there meant to be a fat as possible in the shortest amount of time and then you wonder why in countries were they eat fast food where the animals are mass produced design to be fat and the shorts amount of time with obesity is it disease killing just one species the human species, oh and pets that humans feed this animal nest too. Any human being with empathy would never be comfortable with the process but they are protected from seeing it smelling it hearing the screams of animals who don't want to die and don't want to be separated from their children and their family there herd.

[@redbriarn6295]

@@WiseandVegan based on “livestock’s long shadow “ debunked article from 2004

[@ffs6969f4u]

“Halal is better” “Do you eat Halal?” “Not really. But factory farms are worse.” “Do you avoid factory farm meat?” “No. But I’m trying” Girl, do or do not. There is no try.

[@antibigotpolice]

I mean, what did you expect? Islam is a hypocritical religion that supposedly promotes "peace," but attacks those who don't conform to it.

[@konyvnyelv.]

Try is better than nothing

[@thegrammar_nazi]

@@konyvnyelv. Not for the animal getting killed

[@evilsotherbrother7481]

@@thegrammar_nazi farmed animals are resources thats their purpose. its just bad luck for the animal and the vegan cult for that matter because your feelings are unimportant.

[@AbraGaming]

ironically halal is actually worse

[@earthosaur]

The growth of Joey’s conversations/arguments over the past few years is amazing. Really good work

[@lauragriffiths5456]

He never stops growing 👏👏👏

[@DrMontague]

He's screwed up he believes you can murder an animal?! I found a dead rabbit, reported it to the police, they didn't want to know!

[@Sammie551]

He said everything I was thinking

[@aliciahughes-evans7246]

I agree, his approach has changed for the best and his patients has grown incredibly 😅

[@suqma]

nah, a lot of his arguments aren't very good

[@jdmmg4904]

I am so happy to read she's vegan now since 2 months. My respect to her and everyone who is ready to debate Joey and even more so for everyone ready to change

[@rarasworld1679]

I think she’s just saying that .. I don’t believe her

[@jdmmg4904]

@@rarasworld1679 why do you think that?

[@carbrock.2854]

The irony is, apples do want to be eaten. The purpose of fruits (not talking in general botanical terms, but in sweetened forms) is to get an animal to disperse the seeds.

[@HORNOMINATOR]

yes

[@lauratanln]

@@HORNOMINATOR Very true.

[@larryllama5225]

But apples don't have any brains or nervous systems to "want" anything. First and foremost indisputable fact. Then you can add that Nature or God the Creator wants you to eat the apples, it's what was given you as an endless source of pure and good food.

[@shaneboxhall1614]

I don't think the apple wants to be eaten by a human

[@lauratanln]

@@shaneboxhall1614 your apple showed fear or screamed in pain?

[@Jarv263]

She was absolutely oblivious that you were using her own logical arguments against her at the beginning.

[@emmanarotzky6565]

He should have said “they will die anyway” instead of “they will get killed anyway” since that was really what she was trying to say.

[@WhyArentYouVegan]

Thank you for speaking up for animals.

[@evilsotherbrother7481]

Virtue signalling. Trying to earn reputation by feeling sorry for something or someone. So utterly pathetic.

[@danielbarber9423]

@@evilsotherbrother7481 but you are projecting the virture of eating animals

[@evilsotherbrother7481]

@@danielbarber9423 no im not because eating animals has no bearing whatsoever on anyones reputation.

[@danielbarber9423]

@@evilsotherbrother7481 actually , it's more likely, the u tuber is being an advocate for the animals , speaking on the animals behalf, because he sees the animals need defending

[@anonymous.1303]

Just had a large plate full of warm, steamy succulent, fluffy, cheesy, golden scrambled eggs (w/ milk)... sprinkled with mouthwatering.. flavorsome, delectable, juicy, delecately cut, crispy, crunchy bacon bits -soaked in pine apple juice . With a small side of fresh, savory. . lucious... creamy...reduced fat grade A Yogurt. And finally washed it down.. with a tall .. cold.. glass of sweet... tasty, nutritious vitamin D filled whole chocolate milk.. Can't wait for lunch and dinner

[@absolutezeromusicofficial]

"It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with an idiot."

[@MrAchsas]

Exactly

[@antibigotpolice]

That's basically what happens whenever I try to talk sense into vegans.

[@absolutezeromusicofficial]

@@antibigotpolice What did Joey say that didn't make sense?

[@antibigotpolice]

@@oluwaliblue8684 you are a sad strange little man, and you have my pity. Farewell! ✌️

[@evilsbrother8247]

@@absolutezeromusicofficial the sign on the front of his table. His entire arguement for veganism is based on lies and deception. And its only designed to appeal to gullible or dishonest people. His other main arguement translates to 'cows and pigs etc are human and should be treated as such'. Veganism is a psuedo identity for morons and people who try and enhance their moral reputation simply by being pityful.

[@stevenbridges]

One day I hope I bump into you in London and get to shake your hand for inspiring me to go vegan! 🌱

[@shaneboxhall1614]

🤮

[@24694104]

excellent! certainly celeberate a drug running, gun toting scumbag.

[@Sociobid]

From one vegan card counter to another, I love your videos. Good to see you here.

[@mstash164]

Another person converted, happy to see from your post this morning she is now a vegan. You have a different more patient approach since I’ve watched you last, even when they are hard to listen to. Great job Joey.

[@el29]

Sad she lost to a passive agressive manipulative philosopher that uses interruptions before she can formulate her stance on the last questions and then he pre ejects words into and changes the definition and course before she can even respond to the first lay out. Also he uses alot of sleight of hand in nuances but when it reflects back to him he goes black and white and sometimes he just says totaly ignorant things...... He would totaly loose against a good philosopher that is a meat eater,,, he just abused that young girl sad. Anyone who is used to philosophy and rhetoric would see the said resort techniques he uses also when he is cornered... But i guess ignorant beings wont.. Dont bother responding i dont use YT notifications..

[@TheDragonOfBlood9]

@@el29 😂😂😂 oh no someone call the police he abused the girl

[@zakhaddad5222]

Rewatching this after Joey announced that she is now vegan 🙌❤️

[@edeary]

The last moment where she realized what actually goes through the mind of an animal by her saying ‚dont kill me‘ gave me goosebumps. Whenever you put yourself in the shoes of the victim you just know its wrong. Joey, as always - wonderful job! 👍🏻

[@36ELRIC]

I agree almost cried at that moment when she finally realised

[@DrMontague]

Daft bastard therefore believes animals have human language . They only have survival instinct not conscious awareness or language. Oh yes and I am still against cruelty. he also believes animals are being murdered, I read in the paper that a rabbit has been found shot dead in a field, there is a murder inquiry underway . You lot are cranks. You believe too much of Walt Disney. How cruel is the wolf in the story of the thee little pigs, I will huff and I will puff and blow your house down, The wolf doesn't seem to care that the pigs don't want to die. Why is this daft bastrd not arguing against the suffering of the people in Yemen or the plight of asylum seekers and economic migrants? Because he is a crank!

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

We're not sure she realized. I think she was just finally stumped and had to run off.

[@36ELRIC]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 Yeah maybe hope not though

[@36ELRIC]

@@DrMontague He is an animal activist that's why, that's what he does. Are you rallying against the plight of the people of Yemen or Asylum Seekers, no thought not. Why does it have to be either or we can have activists in both fields. Not sure how you heard him say Animals have human language that's just weird mate. Animals are being murdered and you are not against cruelty

[@robsengahay5614]

The thing Joey did really well here is that every time she was confronted by her own cognitive dissonance she attempted to pivot to a fresh talking point but he kept bringing her back. It was like chess. He kept putting her King in check but she would attempt to move a piece elsewhere on the board. In that situation you would say “hold on, you’re King’s in check, you have to get out of check first”.

[@80slimshadys]

Great analogy

[@80slimshadys]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 You don't know what a fallacy is. You personally can't make an argument without them. I'm having leg of Labrador tonight. Yummmy

[@80slimshadys]

@rambunctiousvegetable I know, he has a thing for me lol

[@80slimshadys]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 mmm yummy 🤤 the Labrador was soo good. Might adopt a beagle and bake it in the oven next week

[@80slimshadys]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Why are you asking me about fallacies? I said analogy, not fallacy.

[@peachesmcgee4795]

Great ending! She had a lot of excuses but had clearly thought about veganism already.

[@JoeyCarbstrong]

How did you already see the ending! Its only been up for 17mins haha Do you watch on double speed like me lol

[@peachesmcgee4795]

@@JoeyCarbstrong nah,I skipped along! I'm impatient like that!

[@evilsbrother8247]

@@Ray-vx9vy slow is believing that cows and sheep are human and should be treated as such.

[@evilsbrother8247]

@@Ray-vx9vy how do i abuse animals? By buying chicken nuggets?

[@36ELRIC]

@@evilsbrother8247 Yes you pay other people to abuse them. I don't understand when these anti vegans come and comment and say stupid things like they have not been listening

[@DebugYourBrain]

In all my outreach I've never seen anyone double down this long and this hard on the appeal to natural fallacy. Mind blowing...

[@pegbuckner5074]

Exactly 🙄 🤯

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

She even willingly sacrificed herself as a meal to the lion so he wouldn't die, so hypothetically brave. nature's food chain tho

[@RodKruz]

Oh man, you'd be surprised to know how many times I've seen people understanding why it is a fallacy and then using it again after sometime. People love using excuses to continue with their bad habits, even though they know it makes no sense.

[@nicolao.dos.santos]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 interesting indeed, that's commitment of a sort :D hope she goes vegan with this attitude!!!

[@larryllama5225]

@@nicolao.dos.santos She was just speaking hypothetically unfortunately. She doesn't even want to change what she sticks in her mouth, much less sacrifice herself to a lion haha

[@tarionp]

Intense debate. Good job! I loved how it ended 👏🙏♥️

[@JoeyCarbstrong]

Was intense and everyone should watch til the end!

[@GarudaLegends]

i want to make a vegan anime. can i use you as a model in it?

[@caseyburger9864]

@@GarudaLegends I'm sure it will be garbage

[@GarudaLegends]

@@caseyburger9864 it actually wont, but ok

[@evilsotherbrother7481]

OK WHO PULLED THE STRING IN TARIONS BACK???? WHAT NEXT?? A NAPPY CHANGE???

[@Dieblauesau]

There are no arguments against veganism, it is the morally right thing to do. Thanks for the debates, Joey you are also educating vegans on what to say, like my self :)

[@evilsbrother8247]

Veganism is a psuedo identity for the dishonest and the gullible because its based on lies and deception. It is fundamentally a cult.

[@karimtemri1664]

Says who

[@vanessanicole828]

@@karimtemri1664 what are your arguments then? We could debunk any argument you say

[@evilsbrother8247]

@@karimtemri1664 says me. Prove me wrong. (Iv got the day off with a head cold and plenty of time so bring the best youve got)

[@x-latetv-x6816]

@@vanessanicole828 veganism is an experiment which you are free to try but I'm no guinea pig il leave that to you

[@DJLirnl]

She was all over the place with excuses . Good conversation Joey .

[@ChaseAvior]

Slaughter is animal cruelty. Ban meat.

[@larryllama5225]

Not how it works. There has to be a tipping point of people against it, otherwise you just open up a huge black market.

[@ChaseAvior]

@@larryllama5225 "Justice delayed is justice denied." - MLK

[@ludwigiapilosa508]

See Joey's post on 8/16. See messaged him a while later to say she went vegan. 👍🏻

[@theoyess]

Good grief, she said she eats bacon & 2mins later she only eats halal; burh, pork is forbidden in Islam.

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

Not clever enough to remember her own lies and inconsistencies.

[@mrm2298]

bacon is not necessary pork, I can also be turkey bacon etc…

[@theoyess]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 exactly, she took nonvegans' mind-gymnastics to justify consuming corpses & exploiting nonhuman animals to the next level.

[@pegbuckner5074]

I’ve had so many discussions with friends and they are stubborn too. Thank you, Joey, for showing us how to answer all these ridiculous excuses!!!!! 💚🌱💚

[@evilsbrother8247]

Yet veganism is steeped in ridiculousness. When your whole arguement for veganism is based on lies and deception it becomes nothing more than a psuedo identity for gullible and dishonest people.

[@GarethRiffStevens]

I lost friends over it, it's amazing how I have not lost contact with my mum, she's the worst. It's all these people who are stuck in there old ways that refuse to change, they feel forced into it but don't realise how easy it is to not pay people to slaughter animals. It's fucked up.

[@evilsbrother8247]

@@GarethRiffStevens did you call your friends animal abusers etc? Did you accuse them of hideous crimes because they had a chicken burger? No wonder they turned their backs on you. You dont deserve freinds.

[@evilsbrother8247]

@@GarethRiffStevens i want militant vegans to appraoch me while im eating somewhere with my family and yell and scream their bullshit at me. They will wish they had brought more friends to save them.

[@GarethRiffStevens]

@@evilsbrother8247 for your information, they are closed minded people and yes I did call them animal abusers because, that's correct in what they are. People who buy meat are encouraging companies to pay people to slaughter animals. Do you think they want to kill the animals? No.. because they need the money.

[@LukeDeSciscio]

"Don't kill me" literally put tears in my eyes

[@LukeDeSciscio]

definitely clip this bit Joey

[@seanpmullins]

Me too

[@wordsmithmofo]

What makes me lose all faith in humanity is when they say shit like ‘do you think an Apple wants to be eaten’. I hate ppl being so damn ignorant

[@GarudaLegends]

an apple is meant to be eaten. a plant does not want to be eaten, that provides fruit. stop with the planet genocide and only eat fruit.

[@Cowz19999]

Apples actually want to be eaten.

[@Stevelives13]

@@Cowz19999 Exactly, thats what nature evolved seeds for.

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

That's not humanity, that's stupidity ;)

[@Cowz19999]

@rambunctiousvegetable Nice resort to semantics. Whether they are sentient doesn't matter. They are designed to be eaten and it's most beneficial to them, so yes, they "want" to be eaten.

[@Scaurus5]

the world is full of cruel, "follow the herd" idiots, thank you for Joey for showing people the light

[@davidshelley1054]

“Don’t kill me” WHAT a moment! Great work Joey!

[@suchawolfy]

Rewatched following your insta post today Joey. Fantastic work. You've inspired me to get back out on the street. ✌💚

[@ramseydarling]

Joey Carbstrong is a saint. He's got a lot of patience to talk with someone this disconnected from reality.

[@el29]

Not really anyone used to philosophy sees he uses alot of sleight of hand and manipulation and traps and word rthetoric and interrupts her before her brain and her can formulate her stance effectively in a intention and he pre interrupts her, put words into the context, pre change the way she was gonna project her stance. And then he comes with a new argument untop of that. Its very sad and he is not a saint. Also he has tons of flaws, he is nuanced sometimes but also sometimes when its reflected he goes black and white... saad.

[@Rob--]

He's a criminal.

[@RozaMariaMavromati]

I love this man, his passion and his sense of humour. I laughed hard at some of the rebuffs, even when the subject matter is not funny, he's genuinely gifted in finding ways of arguing in the right way.

[@Natalie.Fulton]

Excellent debate with a heartwarming ending!

[@carnismiscancer2108]

Veganism is rising and thriving while carnism is trying and dying! Keep fighting vegan warriors! CHARGE!!!!

[@x-latetv-x6816]

Nope

[@therockingvolbeat3630]

@@x-latetv-x6816 as sad as he/she is for commenting this on every video, you’re much more sadder for replying to the comment on every video.

[@x-latetv-x6816]

@@therockingvolbeat3630 🤫

[@zoeee4939]

Update: Meriam has now gone vegan!! Well done Joey

[@beyonder7817]

how do you know?

[@valeria939]

BS! She was too smart for it all along the debate. She was gentle on him because she knew he was so silly. The only people that you vegans can convert is the sect like thinkers like you. You just don’t see the big picture and repeat the same points about morality without thinking deeper. That is the reason why you are only 1% of the world.

[@ReasonMakes]

Excellent stuff lending her help with the logic. Very courteous. And what an ending. Appreciate all you do Joey.

[@ndagiremutebi5008]

I am always astonished by the amount of pure nonsense meat eaters can produce... why not just admit you really like meat and that is it?

[@ashezza]

It’s not their fault. They’ve been conditioned to believe every excuse they utter. Layer upon layer of excuses need to be stripped away and replaced by logical thought before they will accept the truth.

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

@@ashezza I know quite a few vegans who had epiphanies all on their own. Some people are just a lot thicker and more stubborn than others. It's called Stuck on Stupid, and yes, at some point it IS their fault.

[@smotty2hotty]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 I turned vegan on my own. I conscientiously realised that taking someone’s life and eating their tortured dead body is absolutely disgusting and evil when there are so many other healthy and delicious things to eat.

[@larryllama5225]

@@smotty2hotty I had sudden epiphany as well, it was just a moment waiting to happen. I don't understand these long drawn out baby steps pretending you care enough to change.

[@shaneboxhall1614]

Meat is good for you

[@GarethRiffStevens]

She is every meat eater that is stubborn and disconnected, sitting down unaware of how there is no argument against Veganism. Don't bother debating it, just be Vegan.

[@Cowz19999]

"Don't bother debating it, just be Vegan." Yeah just accept whatever they tell you. Don't debate, don't question. Join the cult.

[@GarethRiffStevens]

@@Cowz19999 and to shut you down.... 1st fact.. Farmers kill animals to feed people Meat, but the nutrition that comes from eating meat is from eating plants. Why bother doing this when you can eat plants, all those resources for a tiny piece of meat.. so pointless. Not practical for countries like the U.K where land is needed. 60 million people , do you know how much water is required for this meat? You likely don't know otherwise you wouldn't be responding like you are. There is no argument for killing an animal for food when it is no longer needing to be done. We are not neanderthals anymore. At the end of the day, I am a better person than any Hypocritical meat eater, I try to not buy any foods that has Meat, dairy or egg in, that means i care, because i dont want no animal to suffer. its the Best i can do i.e (a Vegan). Meat eaters can not argue against that.. theres either intentional deaths, or there's unintentional. thats what makes Vegans right and will always be right and meat eaters cant argue against that. so theres my point , so shuv that where the sun dont shine. Be Vegan.

[@GarethRiffStevens]

@@rondarkman. you do realise that Vegans are more with reality than meat eaters?, Vegans can actually walk along the street and hold there head up knowing they ain't a big fat Hypocrite. As a vegan, I am very aware of the fact that animals die needlessly and that I don't have to pay for that to happen . So I choose, vegan cheese, vegan donuts, vegan ice cream. No animals are intentionally kept in a cage for me to eat.

[@Cowz19999]

@@GarethRiffStevens "Why bother doing this when you can eat plants, all those resources for a tiny piece of meat.. so pointless." Cause of taste and texture. "There is no argument for killing an animal for food when it is no longer needing to be done." Cause of taste and texture. "We are not neanderthals anymore." We never were Neanderthal. Read a book. "At the end of the day, I am a better person than any Hypocritical meat eater" Can you point out the hypocrisy? Or just making baseless accusations? "I try to not buy any foods that has Meat, dairy or egg in, that means i care, because i dont want no animal to suffer" Great for you. Other people don't care. " thats what makes Vegans right and will always be right and meat eaters cant argue against that." Right and wrong is a matter of opinion and is thus subjective. "Be Vegan" No, I don't think I will. You'll have to do better when dealing with the likes of me.

[@GarethRiffStevens]

@@Cowz19999 Gosh you really are doing well there using the same selfish statement to argue compassionate points . 🤦 This shows how selfish you are when you value a whole animals life over your 5 minutes of taste and texture. you do know that plants are used to season your cancerous meat. ?? so wheres the taste? why would you eat meat without seasoning it, disgusting. Neanderthals maybe we was not but my point is that they existed and were dependant on meat, its 2022... we dont need to do this, we have supermarkets with rice, beans etc etc lots of protein, seeds with zinc in and omega.., animals dont need to suffer to get these nutrition things we NEED. its the difference of being an adult and showing compassion for animals and caring what they go through, the environmental impact, think about your digestive system, its not designed for meat. Looks like your such a selfish person and could really not care about anything other than your stomach. nobody likes selfish people , we need thoughtful people, its very weak to think that your strong when you kill animals. i hope you have not experienced killing an animal, i couldn't bare to think what it would feel like. I am a better person than a Hypocritical person that eats meat because i dont pay people to abuse and exploit animals.. you do and that means i am better than you because i think of other living things, you do not. where would i be a hypocrite here? i said i am better.. its a fact not Hypocritical. GET A DICTIONARY. "Opinions are subjective" thats a bit of a far fetched statement when it comes to animals. i wonder if you enjoy chaining up animals and beating them with sticks??? noo DIDNT THINK SO!!?? Theres only black and white when it comes to caging animals, opinions?? no no no just its wrong or its not. A. or B. They either in a cage to die for food or are a pet you look after . your an absolute selfish prick that will never justify the abuse and exploitation of animals. when it comes to Veganism, Vegans will always be right if they are educated enough because selfish wankers like you come out with a bunch of bullshit that does throw them off. like crop deaths, like mobile phones, They forget the definition of Veganism. Try for once to think of others when you eat food, you pollute the planet with your daily things that you HAVE to do but you have a choice in the supermarket when it comes to food. Buy foods that are not intentionally harming animals and caging them, because you dont need meat, dairy or eggs to survive . Be Vegan. I am done with you, your a typical selfish prick with no compassion. You had no points here at all, just blah blah selfish views, no facts, no examples. "Do Better" i didnt even have to.. 🤣

[@jsav100]

GREAT conversation Joey! She realized at the end when she said the cow would say “Please don’t kill me” (since the human doesn’t need to eat it). She also said she wants to be vegan, and would already be vegan if everyone else was.

[@matahari9991]

Oh boy she was hard to listen to, her argument got weaker and more ridiculous the more she spouted her ignorance. Joey you were brilliant as always, well done, your patience is incredible. The ending was amazing.....you really got her to think, you could see it in her whole expression.

[@syllomusic]

Great discussion, spicy at times, but she's relatively open minded compared to most people, and eventually let her objections dissolve as you broke them down. Sometimes people just need the space, time, and clear explanation to de-program all the lies they've had drilled into them, your table provided this today.

[@suqma]

i mean, i don't rly like his arguments, but he did make me think and reconsider my point quite a bit

[@SoulofLuna3]

She is not hearing you, Joey, she is oblivious and just arguing for the sake of arguing.

[@kelyrin]

Congrats Meriam for choosing the compassionate way, for starting your vegan journey !!! 🥰🥰💕🌱🌍🐶🐱🐰🐮🐷🐣🐙🐠

[@el29]

Morally right ?. Tell me what even is Moral objectively ? Except youre own pre made premisses ?. Also even if we jump into this made up word - whats morally wrong go out and killing a ice bear that kills humans and seals, fish and so on and eats meat constantly ?. Whats wrong with being a predator hunting down another predator. Vegans say its wrong killing a bear because its a sentient being with intelligence and that is selfconciuss that can make choices so it has worth - its not just a "robot", but at the other hand they excuse a bear eating another animal or human because they are "robots and can only eat what they are programmed to do". Bears can survive without meat and can make choices, But i dont see any moral blaming on the bear. Very paradoxal argument. Also how can it be wrong to kill a T-Rex or a anakonda snake and eat it when its a predator, how can it be morally wrong as a predator to kill another predator and save the thousands of lifes that anakonda snake would take ?. Wierd. Also that "moral and ethics has nothing to do with natural and nature" that joey said is so wrong totaly. You need to count in all factors in existence of causality when you discuss even ethics. Even when they transport avacodos they kill billion of bees that are animals. So if you eat avacodo and buy it at the store. You support the killing of bees that are naturally connected to it. Because thats how it works. To remove the network of effects and To remove nature or the world system or naturalness or climate change or allergies or what so ever from ethics and just look at ethics as a "unbound moral" disconnected, is just stupid. Also how evolution works and DNA through thousands of years develops peoples programming what they are allergic to or not. Some people can only eat meat like etc Jordan Peterssons daughter or other people i know or they get sick that i know many vegans have gotten. Just as people are allergic to plants or nuts. Also i see alot of Vegans being feminists that support abortion of a human fetus that is more developed then a insect or a rat, so it just mind boggles me. Also you need to take into account peoples finances you can't just watch "moral as a unbound thing". Then the claim would automatically be - only the rich can ever live morally. The only ones who can live on solar planel electricity, the only one who can drive electric cars for the nature and mother earth, and so on. Also we already know - the healthiest diet on earth by scientists, doctors, nutrionists and hospitals and researches has already been proven year after year after year and its the Mediterian Diet that always comes up n1,,,,,,,, Vegan has never been prized by scientists as the n1 healthiest diet in the whole world, ever. And all the countries that live the longest like etc Japan.. There is always animal products within that. Vegans just live in a made up moral that is just like religious pre made premisses. Reality is life and self conciousness is in hierchies in nature and evolution,, so the only moral that can really be discussed then is who feels most suffering if you want to claim a "empathic moral". Is it worse killing a human or walking on an ant (that you very often do in nature). Or are we talking about a horse or a eat meating snake. Or a rat ?. Dont bother responding i dont use YT notifications.

[@Zacky51188]

Mmmmmn delicious emojis there! Dog 🍖, cat 🍖, fried rabbit, beef steak, Bacon cheeseburger,Chicken Nuggets, Korean raw octopus, lemon baked fish

[@valeria939]

Nothing immoral about being healthy. Veganism is slow death no matter how many cherry picked papers you show me. There is not long term data about plant based diets. And intuitively you don’t need them to know what the body me natural diet is.

[@Lefty93]

I really liked this video and few weeks later I heard that this girl (Meriam) became vegan after this ! Mash'Allah, good for you girl !

[@Andyyybeeeee]

I was in that situation, I didn't know better and would rail off all the excuses, nearly 2 years vegan since I allowed my eyes to be opened 🤙

[@judcrandall3170]

You made her trip all over her words Joey, well done.

[@shaneboxhall1614]

Yea he's good at that

[@el29]

Ofcourse he could,, he interrupted her constantly loool and using philosophy sleight of hands of rhetoric. He just talks fast and using word rhetoric,,, its akward... stop being so bias. Learn philosophy and all stuff then come back in 10 years then u will find his behaviour aggressive, interrupting, traps, sleight of hand, interrupting then pre changing the route she is trying to manifest as a counter argument by the pre argument. And so on.

[@BeyondaThought]

This was a brilliant discussion. Of course, people are going to try their best to win their argument when it's morally wrong but it's great to see their transition into understanding the other argument.

[@michieltummers1303]

Wow is this Carbstrong 2.0, what a demolition man vs this level 0 anti vegan rofl. Loved it, more of these debates please!

[@shaneboxhall1614]

So you like watching a novice vs a master?

[@michieltummers1303]

@@shaneboxhall1614 yup

[@shaneboxhall1614]

@@michieltummers1303 I also love turning the difficulty down to novice and destroying newbs

[@namanchoudhary5934]

I kinda miss Joey's brute dismissal of illogical arguments but def feel he's able to appeal to a lot more peoples hearts with this somewhat modified / calmer approach. Great video as always, keep up the good work Joe!

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

I missed it in this one too. I think he has different approach with women than men but I much prefer his less tolerant one.

[@rarasworld1679]

6.20 minutes in .. that male singer covering Whitney ‘Don’t walk away from me’ I’ve never heard a man cover this song .. wow! Amazing 🤩 and lastly thank you Joey for all your amazing work x

[@jonjonwp]

Very annoying she kept butting in and wasn't listening or answering.

[@jonjonwp]

@Jay Wolf Difference was he HAD to or she would never have stopped and she kept on changing the subject to avoid answering.

[@jonjonwp]

@Jay Wolf You may need glasses, Joey looks very tanned and wrinkle free. Vegetarians support animal cruelty.

[@bhavikasicka3098]

I'm from India and I've lived in cities like Kolkata and Hyderabad, and I'd like to clarify to everyone here that halal is gruesome and horrific and appears to be extremely painful for the animal. The victim is tied up, its jugular is sliced, if it's a chicken then its neck is wrung out after being sliced. The victim bleeds out slowly while its consciousness drains from it. Halal is not more humane than regular slaughter. All forms of murder are immoral and cause incredible suffering to sentient victims.

[@veelam]

The moment when she empathises with the animals she considers food is gold!! "What do you think a cow would say?" "Don't kill me." If people set aside their ego, even just for a moment, to consider the animals' perspective, veganism is really a no-brainer.

[@el29]

Morally right ?. Tell me what even is Moral objectively ? Except youre own pre made premisses ?. Also even if we jump into this made up word - whats morally wrong go out and killing a ice bear that kills humans and seals, fish and so on and eats meat constantly ?. Whats wrong with being a predator hunting down another predator. Vegans say its wrong killing a bear because its a sentient being with intelligence and that is selfconciuss that can make choices so it has worth - its not just a "robot", but at the other hand they excuse a bear eating another animal or human because they are "robots and can only eat what they are programmed to do". Bears can survive without meat and can make choices, But i dont see any moral blaming on the bear. Very paradoxal argument. Also how can it be wrong to kill a T-Rex or a anakonda snake and eat it when its a predator, how can it be morally wrong as a predator to kill another predator and save the thousands of lifes that anakonda snake would take ?. Wierd. Also that "moral and ethics has nothing to do with natural and nature" that joey said is so wrong totaly. You need to count in all factors in existence of causality when you discuss even ethics. Even when they transport avacodos they kill billion of bees that are animals. So if you eat avacodo and buy it at the store. You support the killing of bees that are naturally connected to it. Because thats how it works. To remove the network of effects and To remove nature or the world system or naturalness or climate change or allergies or what so ever from ethics and just look at ethics as a "unbound moral" disconnected, is just stupid. Also how evolution works and DNA through thousands of years develops peoples programming what they are allergic to or not. Some people can only eat meat like etc Jordan Peterssons daughter or other people i know or they get sick that i know many vegans have gotten. Just as people are allergic to plants or nuts. Also i see alot of Vegans being feminists that support abortion of a human fetus that is more developed then a insect or a rat, so it just mind boggles me. Also you need to take into account peoples finances you can't just watch "moral as a unbound thing". Then the claim would automatically be - only the rich can ever live morally. The only ones who can live on solar planel electricity, the only one who can drive electric cars for the nature and mother earth, and so on. Also we already know - the healthiest diet on earth by scientists, doctors, nutrionists and hospitals and researches has already been proven year after year after year and its the Mediterian Diet that always comes up n1,,,,,,,, Vegan has never been prized by scientists as the n1 healthiest diet in the whole world, ever. And all the countries that live the longest like etc Japan.. There is always animal products within that. Vegans just live in a made up moral that is just like religious pre made premisses. Reality is life and self conciousness is in hierchies in nature and evolution,, so the only moral that can really be discussed then is who feels most suffering if you want to claim a "empathic moral". Is it worse killing a human or walking on an ant (that you very often do in nature). Or are we talking about a horse or a eat meating snake. Or a rat ?. Dont bother responding i dont use YT notifications.

[@hayleyarnold6305]

The apple comment… the tree wants someone to eat the apple, that’s the whole point of producing it, to be eaten because it contains seeds. The animal takes the apple away, eats the apple then drops the core, hopefully in a nice area where the seeds can grow. This is basic primary school science. It’s called seed dispersal and different plants have different ways of dispersing their seeds. One method that has evolved is plants producing fruits 😊

[@GloriousFrancia]

I'm French, and I know that in France we are way less developed about Veganism than in the UK, there are way less alternatives but it's slowly getting there. What I would have pointed out that pigs don't eat pigs and wolves don't eat wolves, just like humans don't eat humans, then I would have pointed out that it is more logical and consistent to be vegan. But as always good job Joey!

[@castro619a]

I think she was just trying to debunk her held beliefs because she probably doesn’t know any vegans. Great job Joey and Marian

[@wayneliketowalk3740]

Next level patience here Joey. She was hard work lol She has a cat but justifies eating animals like a professional hypocrite.

[@a_baby19]

She went vegan after this

[@wayneliketowalk3740]

@@a_baby19 Glad to hear it👍

[@MrAllmightyCornholioz]

LMAO This girl keeps contradicting herself and she admit it. She says she eats meat cuz she needs to, then cuz it's natural, then cuz society says so, and then Joey debunks and then she moves to another topic as if she never brought it up. Now she is saying she tried not eating meat or w/e? She is a mess.

[@iMykie]

Following your heart is the only way. some people have been brainwashed, but they need to get back in touch with their feelings, that's the only natural thing.

[@shaneboxhall1614]

Logic and feelings are 2 different things, logically we need to eat meat and emotionally you feel we shouldn't

[@Stevelives13]

Jeez, its slightly worrying that people with such a loose understanding of logic exist in our society. Not only does she manage to disprove her own argument, she fails to realise it.

[@HORNOMINATOR]

@Jay Wolf lol

[@smotty2hotty]

She is what’s known in society as ‘Thick as Fuck!!!’ And she’s that thick she hasn’t got a clue about absolutely anything. What an absolute waste of oxygen this human cretin is!!

[@Stevelives13]

@@HORNOMINATOR Lol proving someone wrong is emotional abuse? What a snowflake.

[@HORNOMINATOR]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 humans are omnifucks. So whats the conclusion? That we can have intercourse with whoever we want and dont need concepts like consent?

[@robotchassis]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 haha, no. we are very much herbivorous. and even if we weren’t, just because we CAN do something, does it mean we SHOULD?

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

Get in there, Joey, and correct her! Every sentence she's saying is illogical and wrong. I know there's so much to address your head must be spinning with retorts.... NO NOT THE SCREAMING APPLE!!!

[@lilo4235]

Dedicated Joey Carbstrong and Tarion Partridge team are exceptional at debunking appeal to nature phallacy and plants feel pain phallacy to connect to the victims and their personalities and identities

[@evilsbrother8247]

Tell me youre a braindead cult member without telling me youre a braindead cult member.

[@leoniejosette]

Love you Joey! Thanks for this. Brilliant mate! X

[@tsering9262]

😆Joey’s bursts of laughter when he told her to feel his muscles and when he discovers her mother is close by coaching her 😆

[@veg9097]

Great video Joey!

[@Emanuelnx]

This was unexpectedly funny haha, great debate! ✌️🌱

[@bjornindahouse9931]

Questions and/or something to check: - bioavailability of food - botanic (defense chemicals etc.) - what kills more animals? Crops farming or free animals on grass lands to eat them? - what is better for the environment? Crops farming or free animals on grass lands? - are emotions and religion helping you stay healthy? - is our body able to digest Fiber? - for what is farting an indicator?

[@leaderence3290]

Imagine thinking it's okay to victimize animals because other people are victimizing animals.🤯

[@HORNOMINATOR]

@Gany it's just like a cult

[@80slimshadys]

@@HORNOMINATOR a sadistic blood cult.

[@Cowz19999]

@Gany Not everyone can be a leader. Imagine having 50 managers in your company but only 2 workers actually creating value.

[@HORNOMINATOR]

@Alexandra Sons just like lions rape each other and kill the children of their presecessor. Natural = totally ok to be done by humans.

[@shaneboxhall1614]

Imagine thinking it's ok to kill an animal because it's eating your food

[@vganbeastNL]

Funny she says she considered becoming vegan, whilst at the same time nurturing every carnist bullshit argument under the sun. Girl just wanted to give a plant-based diet a shot after watching some slaughterhouse footage, but forgot about it over time. Thanks for helping her debunking all the madness in her head, Joey

[@kellyharris6968]

She definitely felt it with that question. Don’t kill me. Brought tears to my eyes 😢 If it doesn’t get updated on this page, for anyone reading, SHE WENT VEGAN! Bravo, Joey, brav-bloody-o! You’re a legend 💚

[@gaellefromont1634]

Really ? It would be awesome but how did you know that ?

[@lindyixchelsedona270]

Thats enough of the bloody!! ...lol!! 😁

[@davidt8087]

Where did you get this info

[@allandm]

It must be very tiring to hear the same non sense arguments over and over again. Idk how you do it, you're the hero we need

[@Phaseriffic]

It's mind blowing how hard people try to find excuses. Imagine they would invest this energy into finding out why they should go vegan

[@Cowz19999]

Why should I?

[@syritabhutta6796]

@@Cowz19999 to abolish animal cruelty and unnecessary killing of animals is a big reason for one

[@syritabhutta6796]

@@rondarkman. still unnecessary killing of animals as you do not need to eat their dead body for survival. The whole meat industry is evil and violent.

[@11235Aodh]

She didn't even let the number trillions sink in one second before saying "ofcourse"...

[@LutherAEvans]

Love the ending. The animals don't want to die. I hope this will be her takeaway.

[@scottleonard6774]

I think because people in general grow up eating meat all the time, they cannot comprehend how to live without it. They want to continue living their lives the same way, feeling the same and do not know how to remove animal products without disrupting their day to day lives

[@juliewake4585]

Wow Joey, you’re getting so good at this. I’ve watched many of your videos and this is definitely one of the best.

[@chrisw7429]

Anyone else super excited when Joey uploads ?

[@robinjames7967]

joey, you're getting really good at this!! it makes me a better activist by just watching, thanks!

[@el29]

He is just aggresive and using alot of philosophy sleight of hand and interruption and playing with words and nuances and word rhetoric that is easy to see through when you have been doing philosophy for a long time. Just like some famous atheists do or islamic apologists... but i guess you as an activist are cheering in youre ignorance... Gj i guess ?...

[@MetroCounterColl]

It's so sad to see people legitimately having negative IQ.

[@Lazaraki]

This girl keeps walking into each wall of a room after you show her the door.

[@leonardoterzani9639]

Good work mate, thank you for raising awareness

[@daetyme998]

an apple is a seed holder, and the part that is eaten is food for the seed as it decays!

[@muntahafaiaaz]

And then she turned vegan You probably were jumping up and down when you got the news Joey!

[@jackwilliamson1897]

Thank you so much Joey. One of the most interesting things about watching these debates is that you genuinely don't know what they're going to come out with next - meat eating is a morally inconsistent position and anyone who tries to defend it strains muscles trying to twist the logic into a straight line. Thank you for everything you do !

[@el29]

Joey is using alot of sleight of hand in philosophy and interrupt her words before she can formually communicate what she really means as a stance. Its very cheap rhetoric... Anyone used to philosophy would also see his flaws and how he plays with nuances to his advantage but becomes black and white when its reflected.

[@moesi11]

How often do you will say: „Nature, tho“? She: Yes

[@aVeganMia]

Great conversation

[@LC-gs6qv]

Fantastic conversation. Great great work Joey 👌

[@chrismcgowan5180]

Where does quite a few get this opinion of 'Halal' meat being more moral, even without the person even looking into it themselves...seems to crop up a lot

[@cindy652]

I used to think like that about halal until I saw a muslim man carrying a skinless, murdered goat over his shoulders while I was shopping in the supermarket. It opened my eyes. I was also hoodwinked with free range and grass-fed. The journey to veganism was definitely a long learning process. I hate that I did not catch on sooner. But, glad I eventually did. Because of that, I understand why this girl was conflicted.

[@bhavikasicka3098]

I'm from India and I've lived in cities like Kolkata and Hyderabad, and I've witnessed firsthand during Bakr-Eid and at bazaars that halal is gruesome and horrific and appears to be extremely painful for the animal. The victim is tied up, its jugular is sliced. If the victim is a chicken then its neck is wrung out after being sliced. If the victim is a large animal, like a camel, then it is brought to its knees violently. After its throat is cut, the victim bleeds out slowly while the life drains from it. I still have nightmares from the trauma of simply witnessing halal slaughter.

[@davidgiardina5424]

Wow - cluelessness and entitlement...with that glimmer of cognition at the end. Thanks for your persistence Joey.

[@niclas8117]

Good work Joey! Amazing how you reflected back what she said.

[@30daymissionman]

Fascinating video. Great work AGAIN Joey !

[@KellyMacgillberg]

Great conversation. Your calm reasoning & passionate sincere beliefs is effective. Anger & shouting might get more views, but just drives folk the other way. This conversation may be 1 of many life experiences it takes for her to make what seems like a dramatic change at the time. To me after 20 years, I only regret it took me so long, and the years I contributed to the suffering of animals.

[@el29]

Why the fuck would any one shout or get angry ? only immature 25 year old girls who are fanatic vegans or what ever crazy ideology it can be as man hating feminists would do that.... And nah it wouldnt get more views,,, people would just find it sad. And it would show how sick vegans really are with there pre made idealistic view of them being "holy". But i cant find a vegan who can prove that killing an ice bear or an anakonda or crocodile or that kills humans, cows, seals, fishes, and so on. That killing these predator animals,, as a predator human can ever be wrong if you hunt them yourself in the wild ?. Also you saved thousands of there victims in the future, other animals. Dont bother responding i dont use YT notifications.

[@miri_amiam22]

joey u are so patient its unbelievable

[@JohnMitchell-xs7eo]

Um if she'd like we could just shut down all of the grocery stores and let her try to survive that way. Honestly, why do people compare human animals to wild animals?! Wild animals CANNOT shop at a grocery store and do not have other options. Human animals DO have an option. It has never been easier to live as a vegan.

[@Cowz19999]

"Um if she'd like we could just shut down all of the grocery stores " No you couldn't. If all grocery stores shut down and the only way we could get food is as hunter/gatherers, those who have the skills would survive and humans would be eating meat. When I go bush crafting I eat more meat/fish than normal cause it's abundant. There are no wild cabbages or potatoes in the forest. If I'm lucky I'll get some blueberries or nettle soup. You didn't think this one through.

[@jdw0426]

@@Cowz19999 you didn't understand their point

[@evilsbrother8247]

Options. The key word.

[@evilsbrother8247]

@@jdw0426 who are you to decide what my options are? Come into my personal space while im shopping and try to dictate to me what my options are. Make sure you have ambulance cover. Im sure you wouldnt have the balls to try it nor would the overwealming majority of vegans. So here you are on social media behind the safety of a keyboard exposing yourself as a common coward.

[@Cowz19999]

@@jdw0426 I did.

[@LisaCooper-thevegan-123]

Joey you are awesome! I would love to meet you one day. Come to South Wales!?👏👏👍♥️♥️♥️

[@fo8426]

Really enjoyed that Joey. You reached in to her, and got there in the end. She needed to connect with her true empathy, and now it's her mother's turn to sit down with you!

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

I think her mother went home and fed her meat & further indoctrinated her.

[@shaneboxhall1614]

And yet she probably still won't go vegan, won the battle lost the war

[@shoban1520]

You did a wonderful job, Joey. Thank you!

[@wordsmithmofo]

I wish ppl would just be honest. She like many others exert so much any into trying to find an excuse that relieves them of that guilt. Because really all they really want to say is “stop saying facts that makes me question my actions! Please just accept one of my dumb excuses so I can feel a bit better about what I do”. It’s a long drawn out dance because they keep the mask in place as long as they can. The mask always comes off eventually

[@Cowz19999]

I agree. People should just be honest and admit they don't care about farm animals. The overwhelming majority of people simply don't have empathy for pigs, cows, chickens...

[@GgByAngel]

@@Cowz19999 Dude...people nowadays don't care about other people, much less animals. Also, farm animals are for eating and in some cases clothing. Veganism is a mental illness!

[@Unmasking_Viandalisme]

I decided to "go vegan" &, being a nerd, researched nutrition. Result was WF omnivore (3yrs+) & have never felt better. WFPB isn't too bad but the ultra-processed, "vegan options" are a joke!

[@cindy652]

@@Unmasking_Viandalisme anything processed is serious. But I'll take my chance with dead plants than with murdered animals.

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

@@Unmasking_Viandalisme Name one non-vegan item in a grocery store that isn't ultra-processed with 20 chemicals in the ingredients. And that meat corpse or dairy milk is loaded with chemicals injected into the animal. Vegan processed food is a huge step up from that.

[@skyer82]

"Hello, I don't like to think - so I'll just go with what everyone else does and when I'm asked to support my opinion - I'll just come up with whatever to justify my actions instead of accepting the logical outcome and change"

[@chrismcgowan5180]

15:09 'You think i'm weaker than you?', Joy about to lay her out, haha

[@nicolao.dos.santos]

another interesting debate, Joey! Thanks for what you do!

[@Jay-son.]

Joey makes every meat eater sound ridiculous lol

[@suzannevegancultleader8509]

Nice work as always Joey! Thank you 🙏