Is THIS the *NEW* BEST SHOWER BACKER BOARD?! (Called the Manufacturer)

Hey Gang! We've got a fun one today. Let's start off by showing you the end result of Mom's shower! It turned out absolutely beautiful, but since we didn't tile it, we couldn't show you that process. It just so happens we're building a shower in our current project from start to finish and we DO get to show you every step of the way on this one! Let's start with backer board and water proofing with our Schluter Kerdi. We stopped by the store to pick up some cement board and as fate would have it they were completely out, so we picked up this Triton board and fell in love. On top of that they had excellent customer service and apparently plan to roll out some awesome products so we'll be on the lookout! We can't wait to show you all of our tips on how to get a professional and stunning shower in your bathroom, and you can apply what we're showing you in these videos to most applications and challenges you face! Thanks for watching and we'll see ya on the next one!
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[@megatronman79]

I'm a contractor and wanted to comment on your easy going, friendly, and open to change and trying new materials/techniques. Also love how you teach your son and he teaches you in return. Great channel.

[@patglenn5705]

Arbor & Earth, Truly a reply that uplifted all who read it. Thanks.

[@joepatbob]

there is always great new stuff coming out, it's great seeing someone open to finding the best thing to use.

[@christilivingfreely]

This is my 1st video I'm watching from them and just subscribed to this channel for this exact reason.

[@yamuson08]

I love that your doing this for your mom. She raised you right, and now in turn, you're raising your son to be a great person too. 🤝

[@anderslarsen4024]

If you got 8 kids, 1-2 of the kids should at least turn out alright.

[@MADDOG100ful]

He didn't tell you how much he us charging her!! :) sent from his mom ;)

[@MADDOG100ful]

@@anderslarsen4024 Perfection by volume! ;)

[@grizzly8859]

The only thing my mom ever taught me was how to cash in a payday loan. I I turned out alright.

[@cliveclapham6451]

@@anderslarsen4024 Ma had three🤔 one turned out OK 😉🎯

[@mikez4132]

The diff in the seam tape coating is the resistance to the chemicals in the cement board and the thinset. Not needed for the new non cementitious backers.

[@Matasky2010]

Technically it should still be used to protect against the effects of the chemicals in the thinset.

[@pawelmaliszczak815]

Couple of notes for you so you could do better job on your next install. 1. Install your base first than membrane over with at least 3" fold onto walls and curb ( fold your corners into a gap between 2 boards- don't cut them ) next install your inside and outside corners at all junctions of base and walls keeping thinset to a minimum. Next install your membrane onto walls in horizontal layout ( not vertical as schluter guys recommend ) starting at the bottom and overlapping 2-3 inches follow with seals for pipes and valves. 2. After all above is completed use Schluter Coll on all base to walls and curb connections with 2 inch wide spread as well as all pipe seal connections. Side note- depending on availability in your region you might opt for Laticrete hydroban cementicious or at least Ardex 8+9. I have had great success with Hydroban cementicious. I personally run two coats over all joints smoothing second coat in all edges after few minute 4 inch taping knife keeping away from corners itself.

[@Aaron86v]

Me and my Dad have been using this backer-board here in South Texas for about 2-3 years now, the weight savings, score/snap and silica-free features are life changing! They carry it at our local Dal-Tile and Sutherlands store but last we checked they were all out, hoping they're in stock again. Also, I always wondered about which side to use but went with the rough side to be safe, glad to see that it's a a big issue. You guys definitely should look into getting yourself a collated screw gun to make putting the backer board even faster and more easily done by one person , if needed. I recently just got the Milwaukee drywall gun and the collated attachment for it, bought some Senco backerboard screws and a Makita 6in square bit drive and im ready to screw away. It's especially life changing if you have to screw down 1/4in boards for tiling upstairs. It's a MUST HAVE for that situation. Last little note, there is actually an even better backboard that we recently got to use in a big job a few months ago. It's called GoBoard. It's even lighter than the triton backer board, waterproof and made of an insulation type foam, much stiffer and rigid than the Shluter foam stuff. They make it in 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, 1in, 2in. All you need to do is water proof the seams. Great stuff.

[@StudPack]

Much appreciated thx 👊👍

[@Soandsoguy]

Goboard is awesome!

[@richardburton-777]

I love Go-Board light, waterproof and worth the $$

[@tracynshea1333]

I love thanksgiving you actually had someone who knows about the product and speaks English! He knew everything about his product and what was coming out!

[@kevinconrad2250]

Both tapes are fiberglass and alkali resistant. Most of the time you only want to use the manufacturer recommended tape with the corresponding thin set. The glue that holds the tape fibers together can react differently depending on the chemical composition of the thin set. Most thin sets will be either potassium of sodium based. If you use the wrong tape with the wrong thin set it can cause the glue to break down and the tape to fail, which means you with get movement in the joint which can then cause the grout to crack. The Gray tape I believe has an extra silicone coating that protects the glue from reacting by putting a physical barrier between the thin set and the glue binding the fiberglass strands together. This extra coating is why is costs so much more.

[@dunklechuck1188]

Great instructor! One of best I’ve seen. Used Go Board on our walk-in shower project. Kerdi pan.. Kerdi band n thinset on pan to wall seams.. then fabric/aqua defense on wall seams n niche…. After kerdi band cured… double coated seam w aqua defense. Whole thing turning out terrific. Was little unsure of kerdi drain install.. watched video u did explaining that precisely. Your details verbalized are unmatched. Great work

[@andrewtrejbal7587]

One of THE BEST channels on KZbin! You guys have some excellent and informative content and the way you explain your techniques makes them very easy to understand. Keep up the awesome work fellas!! 👍

[@StudPack]

Thx Andrew 👊👍

[@gautneywoodworks1308]

You guys do a great job explaining every build.

[@martybrown6972]

I grew up without a dad.. and Jordan u have one the smartest, funniest, knowledgeable, entergetic dads in the world ...

[@TheLastPharm]

My dad had his own business doing kitchen and bathroom renovations and came home with stories of all the problems he had to fix before he could start with the new material. Sadly he passed away in 2004 and I really miss not having him to ask advice when tackling my own projects. You remind me a lot of him. Al you had to do was show an interest and he'd teach you EVERYTHING you'd want to know. Shame I didn't pay more attention when I was younger and had the chance. Thanks to this channel and your teaching skills, people like me get a second chance to learn how to do something the right way. Thank you, sir!

[@KurtMGibbs]

I've never heard of Triton backer board. I wish I knew about it a year ago when I remodeled my shower. Nonetheless, I appreciate the information!

[@Johnmdarlington]

Great job, I had my own business before deciding to take a job at GM here in Michigan. I loved my home improvement business and I am very much enjoying your videos so far.

[@mos8541]

bro .. u comd out here to AZ ima hook u up, IF you actually show up, do it rite, code, permits etc. you can charge almost anything, i do, oh and in most case dont need any license

[@patsmith5947]

Now that is a good company. I am living in a house built 25 years ago and we used cement backer board and I never even thought about the danger of breathing in dust and we applied cement board all over the floors because we put down ceramic tile floors and we had 6 bathrooms that we have a ton of tile we did. I wish that product had been available.

[@melodiemurphy5908]

That face Paul made when finishing the miter at 24:59 was priceless! It tells you that it was right on!! I love you guys so much and thank you for all you do and show.❤️🤭❤️

[@StudPack]

Thx Melodie 👊👍

[@banditdog1338]

You love your mom obviously. I Never realized how important those features are until I needed them myself grab bars, hand held shower, with easy in and out no obstacles.

[@richardmouat9070]

I got encouraged by your videos and went and got licensed and will be trying this thanks for the knowledge you share freely that you worked so hard to learn. Stay safe and keep doing it the stud pack way

[@bradgotschall3259]

Beautiful job on Mom’s shower. She’s fortunate to have family to keep her home sweet home as long as possible. My father had a bad stroke and was very fortunate to come back home for 7 more years. We did some quick adaptation to the bathroom as well and my brother and I built a hydraulic wheel chair lift so my mother could manage getting Dad in and out of the house alone. Really was rewarding to pay our folks back and keep them at home till their passing.

[@Tom-dt4ic]

Don't forget to use kerdi band on the shower curb corners and joints. Nice job all around!

[@geoffreymiller5422]

Good eye. I thought the same. Particularly with the curb/wall interface, which is a known trouble source for leaks!

[@gavinnewscum]

Especially if there is seismic movement or there is an impact to the foam

[@babycanari5]

Brother I can’t express my joy from watching your videos I love your spiritual. God bless you and your awesome son.❤️

[@reddogally]

You have the best construction channel on KZbin. You do such a good job explains and demonstrating that a guy like me who can’t drive a nail can give some of these jobs a go. Bravo!!

[@FonzyBikes]

That's why I bought a nail gun. No problem driving a nail.

[@trevormaclean7916]

We also just re did my Nana's bathroom for her, she's 96 and lives on her own so we bless her as much as we can God knows she deserves it

[@krehbein]

With Kerdi you usually just use drywall. That triton is overkill under Kerdi. Since triton is cement based you could have just liquid waterproofed it with aquadefense or redgard. My go to for a couple years is goboard, it’s waterproofed already you just have to seal the seams.

[@MichaelM-to4sg]

Triton is not cement based. It’s gypsum-polymer. It’s only advantage is no silica issues. It’s also very low mass but not strong. It’s also not waterproof, definitely needs a Kerdi or similar membrane. Redgard is crap, is you want a liquid membrane, use Hydroban. This Triton is a knockoff of Widi board, only more fragile. There is a “waterproof” version that has integrated yellow membrane but imo it’s too fragile to be mounted to 16” spaced studs alone. The best method is still a high density waterproof gyp-board like Denshield then float mud to square the walls and then a properly installed membrane barrier. This install is not best building practices but hopefully will provide 10-15 years service life.

[@krehbein]

@@MichaelM-to4sg Good info. My memory is that wedi board is a foam type core with a mesh embedded in cementatious layer on the outer layer. Are you saying you float mud over the denshield? Seems odd.

[@MichaelM-to4sg]

@@krehbein Widi has no silica, not cement based, similar to Triton. Yes, we install Denshield then lathe and float w/FatMud. The Denshield is sufficiently waterproof except joints and screw holes which are taped and troweled w/waterproof thinset. Our current choice is Cementitious Hydroban but we’ve used others in past. In the unlikely event walls are dead flat and square, you don’t need to float FatMud. Unless the walls were built w/precision skill and engineered lumber, they are never flat & square. If you’re building a steam shower, it’s highly recommended a waterproof membrane such as Kerdi be installed over FatMud, otherwise tiling directly over FatMud is good. We personally use Hydroban liquid membrane in all niches and behind all mosaics on standard showers. The vast majority of our builds these days have at least one steam shower in the home.

[@JamesJessenfedden]

Yeah I was confused about this as well. Maybe I missed it but I don’t know why this is a video about a backer board since it doesn’t seem to be serving a different purpose than a drywall backer for a Kerdi application.

[@cloydash6878]

I wish they had Schluter products when I started laying tile instead of at the end of my tile setting days. I may have lasted 10 more years. haha. Great work Stud Pack crew.

[@irishhandyman2009]

WOW! Your Mom is a lucky woman. That shower looks fantastic. Great job with the grab bars and handles. Very well thought out project. Even better when you find leftover goodies to aid in a seamless transition. You Da Man!

[@gcoffey223]

Thanks for all your vids. We are redoing some rentals 2000 miles from home and today is day 3. Using some of your tips and tricks... pre cut all the tiles, gonna set them today, got some plank tiles laid down, gonna finish a room today as well. Thank you!!

[@ItchyKneeSon]

Very nicely done. Just wanted to comment in the hope that you'll benefit in some way. :) Keep up the great work, gents!

[@Joachim.777]

I absolutely love this channel. Paul sir, you rock man and Jordan on the camera is just awesome. God Bless ya fam‼️ Love from across the world 🗺 🇦🇺❤️🙏🏽

[@firemanj35]

Your Mom's place came out beautifully. But I have a concern as a Fire Fighter with the Magnesium backer board. You can look up any firefighting channel when a car that has Magnesium in it is a self sustainable fire. And reacts violently with water. So i would Love to see you go outside with a small piece and set it on fire to se what would happen. How safe is it to homeowners and firefighters. Thanks guys.

[@thebigmacd]

It's magnesium oxide...in other words it's already been "burned" (oxidized). No fire hazard.

[@firemanj35]

@@thebigmacd Great thanks to the answer. Appreciate it.

[@alexnelson09]

My first house in middle tn was framed in solid red oak lumber. The bathroom stud walls were strong as could be but horrible out of plane. Looked like the whole thing was framed fresh off the sawmill and they all dried in place. I was encouraged to cut full length custom firring strips free hand on my table saw. It was a very complicated project for me at the time as it was my first experience getting into finish work and tiling. The end result was TOTALLY worth all the trouble and the finished product was beautiful.

[@allent555]

The difference between good craftsman and great craftsman is the details. It appears you all are hitting all the details! Great work and thanks for sharing your techniques.

[@StudPack]

Thx Allen 👊👍

[@bartfoster1311]

For those tapered or long angle cuts a track saw is absolutely amazing!

[@euroasiabtlimited3208]

I love the both the product been using for a few years now . Perfect on every job . Only difference I like to demand is a flexi quality sealer on tiling joints around floor to wall and on corners , same tone as grout.

[@RCLapCar]

Just curious how will you guys waterproof the pan? More Kerdi? Also noticed you didn't use the Kerdi corners where the curb meets the wall and no Kerdi band where the two curbs join.

[@StudPack]

Next video Jan 👍👊

[@bluearcherx]

@@StudPack thank goodness, I was starting to freak out 🤣

[@Nonsense62365]

Great Job! So glad you’re waterproofing that shower with Kerdi membrane that’s awesome!

[@randomman057]

Hey, nice shout out for Sal, love his videos on tiling!

[@db0nn3r]

My dudes. Every time I’m about to start a project, you post a video on it. Mind readers. Thank you.

[@tryan7]

Mr. Paul, Great job with the kerdi membrane. I used that on my bath remodel a few years back. It was expensive but worth every penny. Talk about 💯 percent waterproof. ✅️👍😉

[@mkays9533]

you are so thorough. Your videos are very helpful.

[@default_user_id]

Cement board and Red Guard for me. Never had a problem. I have replaced 3 brand new showers done with Kerdi that failed over settling. If dust is an issue cut with Hardi blade (siding department) and power snips.

[@ChrisP978]

My Kerdi shower is 16 years old and going strong, their products work great!

[@michaeldesa3444]

I've been installing a curbed shower using Schluter's systems for my boy's upstairs bathroom the past several days. I would not have been able to do it without these detailed and helpful videos you two have created! Thank you so much! From the tar paper and lathe down on the wood subfloor to the use of a screed to get the perfect pre-slope, to laying AND grouting the shower floor first, I've followed every steps and video and things have turned out great! One thing I just noticed when watching this is that there is no 4&1/2" Schluter mixing valve seal around the mixing valve. Is there a reason for that? Either way, thank so much guys!

[@benthehousedog6342]

Love the energy you have

[@Mr67Stanger]

💯💯👍 My contractor is building my basement bathroom right now. He used Schluter products and all is looking great! Thanks for the reassurance (LOL!)

[@picklerix6162]

I used Schluter Ditra under the tile in my upstairs bathroom. That stuff works great. No cracks.

[@cobrapene5820]

Amazing work I know she's proud😊

[@bigmike9450]

Thanks for the great job explaining step by step how you complete the job.

[@charliemontana2101]

I’m ready, tomorrow getting started. Thanks guys!

[@xamarinmaster1403]

I am a long time viewer of This Old House and Ask This Old House. I would watch this over anything else. Great job!

[@StudPack]

High Praise, thank you Xamarin!

[@duenge]

HAPPY FOR MOMMA!.....Great work!

[@eclipsestorm1975]

Looks great, you guys knocked it out of the park. Only thing I saw was a tile out of plumb, left wall by shower head.

[@kerid9658]

That would be a great material to use in a mobile tiny home too.

[@RollinHomies]

Great job! Good for you & momma! I’ve been around with your channel since

[@tri-forceblades3123]

I was only halfway through this video and you guys have earned my sub. Keep up the great vids.

[@mrscottanderson1]

Never get tired of watching you guys. Fun and informative, very cool

[@StudPack]

Thx Scott 👊

[@TheZemis7]

Dude, you are an amazing father; I love the relationship you have with your son! Jordan is fortunate to have you bro' Stud Pack Rules!!!

[@brianhopkins5251]

Your mom's shower came out great. Looks really nice and most important it ties together with the existing bathroom and honestly looks like it was always there. So many remodels look like an add on and stick out blatantly but that just looks great. I like the knurled grab bars, that's smart.

[@j.foster1560]

Beautiful work your Mother will certainly enjoy it.

[@mikesmithh]

Great job on your mother's shower. Also. the new shower is coming out great.

[@BlackLotusW3]

prova board, foam panels that is reinforced byt mesh, super light, easy to cut, seal all the corners, and build 4x8 sheets, cut with a razor..

[@johntorres1604]

I gotta tell you love your videos very informative and entertaining. In true stud pack fashion everything is perfectly explained thank you . Nice job on your mother’s bathroom .

[@Seastone84]

Had no idea we could use toe nails on this. I will be saving all my toe nail clippings from now on, they grow soooo fast. What a use!!

[@brentluff9770]

love watching you guys.. some of the most informational content I have found on shower and kitchen installs, and fun to watch.. great job guys

[@sumanmarks-johnson2488]

To a DIYer who normally just wants it straight, you are entertaining and informative! Not sure how you manage that mix, but please keep it up. Subscribing!

[@richardrussell6163]

Great job! Love seeing new and innovative products being used. Thanks for the video!

[@justinkraynie6435]

Last shower I did I used this kerdi system including a pre sloped shower pan, a piece of membrane that had a formed gasket for around the valve body opening, and the 2 ft niche with shelf piece. It was awesome! I used hardie backer, but if I ever do it again I am definitely looking for that triton board.

[@joeyoungs8426]

I did our shower the same way you did. Then my daughter and SIL bought a house and needed a whole bath redo. After our shower I vowed to never use Hardie backer again. It’s heavy, messy and all the waterproofing was a pain. I did as they did, went to the local tile shop to get supplies and no Kerdi. I walked out with Wedi board and never looked back. First rate product that cuts with a utility knife. I had that backer board up in a single day. I did their shower in about a week start to finish.

[@hopelessnerd6677]

I want that shower! You could pressure wash your lawnmower in there! Nice job.

[@carlosaracil7980]

Nice job guys! Maybe for your next shower/tub install you can try GoBoard for your backer board and let us know what you think about it.

[@michaelbeury4751]

Go board is the best I’ve used yet. Love that board with the exception of the fiberglass. Make sure you where long sleeves when cutting and installing it!

[@ernestperry5952]

I'd love to see you do a video on the mechanical lippage tuning system (MLT System) with large porcelain panels. FYI: I am from Marrero, La. and am co-inventor of MLT System.

[@goodtobehandy]

Excellent. Great detailed information. You've got a wealth of experience. Thanks for sharing .Hopefully you two get a break. Stay safe and healthy.

[@normferguson2769]

Schluter KERDI-BOARD backer Panel is about $63 right now (Apr 2022) per 4’x5’ so your board is a real deal at $13

[@zanyabains2390]

I think you got the key answer to all the questions in these comments about why he didn't use Kerdi board. 😀

[@tracymankey9314]

Beautiful job guys

[@williammorris3303]

I always Aqua defense my backer board before tile, always tape and mud seams corners and penetrations. But I think I am going to switch to the membrane and banding myself. I am always trying to give myself piece of mind by providing the best work possible

[@runesvensson1244]

Magnesium-oxide boards are a 3-1 solution: 1) Magnesium-salt absorbs moist, and this causes rot in wood. 2) Magnesium-salt causes corrosion in steel brackets and screws. 3) When the magnesium-salts reacts with moist, it disappeares from the board causing the board to disintegrate (the board "cries" salty droplets in a moist climate). MgO boards can be used in dry and warm constructions, though.

[@charliegee8878]

gonna look into the material cost id love to rip out the tub and replace/install this. i have my father in law (71) and a son that uses a walker so i think this would be a great upgrade for them

[@dorvalfonseca6089]

Hi guys. I'm from Brazil and I watch all the videos and I love them. you do an excellent job. you guys are great.

[@Blackoakx2222]

taking inspiration from this video to do my own bathroom remodel, but out of curiosity, why go with a backer board, then schluter membrane ontop of it vs doing the schluter fiam board directly to studs? Seems like cement board will be a bit more sturdy, but youre saving time using the foam board on the walls, and then only doing the floor mud and membrane on the floor.

[@zachariahsmith6937]

Great work and info gents...just yesterday I did a similar project with Wedi board and mixed some thinset and then used Schluter waterproofing system/kerdi band💯

[@devKazuto]

It's interesting to see that even showers are build differently across countries. In Germany we use bricks for shower pans just like we use bricks for walls, except if the shower is ground-level.

[@ChrisP978]

Interestingly enough Schluter is a German company. The waterproofing membrane Kerdi has been around since 1987, but I didn't see it in the US until the early 2000's. I think the system is fairly adaptable so you could install it over bricks with a thin foam board shower pan (which they sell).

[@anthonypiligno7618]

Thanks for the video JJ.. first time... Jonjon..

[@darrellmcalister320]

I've only ever used cement board OR Kerdi over drywall. Never had a problem either way. Never used both together.

[@jasonl5589]

Very informative! Thanks!

[@thinachang]

Definitely love your videos but it would be great if you can add link to the items you are using as well. Thanks

[@philcoates8349]

I really enjoy your videos. I get a lot of helpful tips and tricks. Keepm comin.

[@1ogpcvill]

Like a pro!! You guys kill it always.

[@joshpavelich5235]

Hey Stud Pack! I've used a full Kerdi-Board system when I did a bathroom build before, it was fairly easy to use but rather expensive. Would you say that this Backer board + Kerdi Membrane system is a cost saving? I have a large basement bathroom shower to do in my future and this system might be my saving grace! Keep up the great work and the awesome videos coming!

[@kenlieberman4215]

The thing with mag board is it can be corrosive to steel. It needs to very carefully made or you need to use stainless steel fasteners.

[@limestar9751]

Great video! Do you use Kerdi band from the mud pack to curb transition?

[@RobertA-1959cad]

BEAUTIFUL work!!!

[@wcaknights]

Thanks for sharing all your knowledge -- Great videos!!

[@MemeKing44]

Great video thanks! Ya know kirdi is a lot like that new buddies board, but the true pros use mooshy board! Now that white is fired!

[@terrigelbaum8066]

Love to watch you guys work

[@hugouribe1203]

You guys rock! Love the work you do, keep it going gentlemen.

[@justgivemethetruth]

That looks great.

[@williamprophet]

Thank you. Genius. Great guys

[@quantumv8394]

Hey Paul, Enjoyed the bathroom shower video. also check out the new Forever board out of Shafter CA . Absolutely great product and easy to use. I think you will also really really love it. Customer service is great also.

[@pappy451]

here in Florida we have started using a product called " Go Board ." it's made of polyisocyanurate , made by a company called Johns Manville , size is 3x5x1/2 . Lowes ad says it weighs 7.5 lbs per sheet but i think it's much lighter than that ( probably a typo when they wrote the ad ) . seriously you can fly this stuff as easily as a Frisbee ! this stuff is AMAZING ! cuts easily , razor/utility knife . . . no mess , minimal cleanup , it's waterproof and it cuts our time TREMENDOUSLY . with cement board it takes a lot of time to cut , install and clean up . with Go board my time is reduced by 3/4 ! yes it costs more , it's about $25 per sheet , but the upside is huge . after talking with my boss , we decided we will only use this product going forward . it's a total game changer ! the stuff you used here requires 1/8 spacing , the go board requires no spacing . also , we coat the surface with Mapelastic Aquadefense Liquid Membrane . then just apply your tile mud and go like mad !

[@zanyabains2390]

thanks for your info. This was mentioned above in the comments a couple of times and Stud Pack saw the comments about Go Board and replied with thanks. I appreciate your info as I think I will try this Go Board for my first ever shower build in our lower level bathroom renovation.

[@pappy451]

@@zanyabains2390 it's a great product and i think you will like it . even with an " out of square cut ' it is easy to use . by out of square i mean sometimes the walls are not exactly square .

[@IvanTubing]

Okay dropping a comment ! How to cut costs with quality considering the price of Schluter products here some suggestions with way less time consuming though ! - For the wall showers 👉 Hardbacker 1/2” with “hydro defense” = $30/ each (eliminate Schluter paper like you said “bullet proof”) - Redgard Seamtape on edges = $28/roll - Plastic Niche from Redi brand can be screwed by Same Starhead screws - 1 tube of heavy duty Quality Sylicon caulk = $12 instead $30 from Schluter - Threshold (old school) = few pieces + same hardbacker coverage ! Just ideas how to abreviate time consuming + saving money with quality without too much science 🧬

[@TeslaBoy123]

Him have a lab in his old truck 9:03 🤣🤣🤣🤣 nice work BTW doing u mother is a great detail a.shower are real important God bless you 👍