Stuka Junkers Ju87 German dive bomber

[@mysterymastermind175]

And became a standard movie sound effect for years

[@JesseLetsCook69]

Nice Hollywoods traumatizing ww2 grandpas

[@henrikstrand381]

So standard that I've heard it on planes like the he111🤡

[@manwithbat]

@@henrikstrand381 same

[@obivankeno2068]

Antitanc platform mostly

[@rodneypayne4827]

Hilarious that people still think that it was a trumpet or siren, the sound is coming from the prop being in "Dive" pitch and causing sound cavitation off the back of the prop and reverberation through the airstream.The same effect could be done with both American and Japanese Naval Dive bombers using the same method.The whole point of "dive" pitch was stability and braking in the dive without overspeeding the engine and propeller.The only" trumpets"were wooden and fitted to the bombs and they were whistles. The little props on the spats were for electrical generators, reducing weight, they just added to the sound but weren't the source. Thats why later versions had them deleted (electrical generators were engine driven) and they still could create the sound.

[@NoMoreCrumbs]

For anyone curious about the limited range, this was the result of German military doctrine which did not include strategic bombing as a main focus. Stukas were meant to be a kind of aerial artillery that served as reliable close air support, not a medium bomber

[@TheChuckfuc]

They did an excellent job at Kursk. Even though the Germans lost the battle. The stuka performed very well.

[@flamebreaker4340]

They have idea for long-range bomber, but the guy with the idea is dead because aircrash incendent.

[@jakej2680]

​@@flamebreaker4340they were also limited by the Treaty of Versailles from building warplanes of a certain size. They had to disguise their early heavy bombers by using passenger plane fuselages which led to a lot of problems.

[@hannesromhild8532]

1400km of Range with 1500kg of bombload is no joke buddy. From the D-model onwards the Ju-87 was a beast still to the end.

[@INoticeTooMuch1]

I remember reading somewhere that later models were fitted with like 37mm auto cannons (not sure of exact caliber) and used to great effect. Kind of seems like a WW2 version of the A-10 warthog in some respects.

[@PixelsInMySoup]

'Banshee scream' is an apt term as it often foretold the death of those who heard it.

[@johnevergreen8019]

If you do some digging behind the modern American interpretation of the Banshee it’s Gaelic roots are that of a familial ancestor guide/ protector for those who got lost in the wilderness

[@Larrymh07]

...and when these soldiers of peasant backgrounds became better trained and used to it it became a giveaway warning. ie. Thanks for letting us know you were coming and from what direction. Polish, British, Czech and others loved shooting down Stukas.

[@PixelsInMySoup]

@@Larrymh07 But they've only heard the scream when it started to dive, so not much to react

[@Larrymh07]

@@PixelsInMySoup Still, the kin of Stalingrad, Warsaw and London had the last day. Those Jericho horns didn't do the Nazi pigs much good in the skies over London.

[@hennessey132]

Such an iconic plane

[@seanm241]

Kids today: poggers stuka asmr Kids in 1941 soviet russia: 😵

[@florkgagga]

Seanm, not sure if you know people from Russia or are just visualizing, however I guess we are grown enough to know war is not a video game. Anyway, for my first model aeroplane ever, at 11-12, taking part in a workshop with other kids in order to get to know each other and do other projects (prepare for middle school etc) i chose this machine because of the many details and because it was the cheapest, probably because it's uglier than the fighter planes that were on display ; the 1:48 scale had the same price as a 1:72 model of a spitfire, so... Anyway, my parents, born in '41&42 in what was later Yugoslavia, asked "seriously?!" Father continued: "Your grandmother with me and older brother in her arms, fleeing from this thing, sirens wailing, and this is the model plane you chose??". My mother was kind of more progressive and calmed him down. Mind you, this was in Switzerland in 81/82 where my parents had worked for a few years to be able to afford a house in Yu, where we moved "back" to three years later. In Yugoslavia they would only sell models of MiGs... Actually I bought one of the famous Po2 in '88, also an iconic plane.

[@Kumpelblase397]

From what i know the Jericho Trumpet was always on. The Pilots hatet it. Only in a later Version they added the Feature to turn it on and off.

[@hti5795]

^because its psychological effect became negated and just revealed its location to any AA or nearby fighters

[@ct1762]

@@hti5795 AA nests would see these anyway, and inside another aircraft you aren't hearing anything but your own 20+liter V12 beast.

[@johnootot]

I knew a Stuka pilot. He never remarked on the trumpet, but used to go into detail of the sickening effect of those tight dives.

[@soundcrave9490]

And then later removed the trumpets altogether

[@johnootot]

@darrenmurphy5347 flying was still a new toy. They didn’t have the suits or prep for g flight

[@antorseax9492]

My grandfather said that, when you heard the siren and laid down, it felt like a bomb would it you in the square of your back.

[@spawn11]

No no how can it possible?

[@antorseax9492]

@@spawn11 What?

[@deaghostyt2217]

​@@spawn11huh?

[@Minithesausagedog]

?

[@christianmccollum1028]

Speak English, please.

[@wolf310ii]

The dive brakes didnt suddenly stop the dive or made the Stuka to pull up. It only prevent the Stuka from going too fast during the dive. The pull up automatic had nothing to do with it, when the "pull up automatic" was activated, it just trimmed the Stuka nose down for the dive and after releasig the bombs, to nose up. Without the pilot pulling the stick back, the Stuka would not pull out of the dive by itself.

[@Jamesbrown-xi5ih]

It was supposed to pitch up the aircraft to forty five degrees and put it into a gentle left turn. It was absolutely intended that the aircraft could return to controlled flight if the pilot was overcome.

[@wolf310ii]

@@Jamesbrown-xi5ih No, like i already wrote, the pull up automatik did only control the pitch trim. So when the pilot passed out from pulling back the stick, the Stuka would continiue to climb rather than crashing into the ground. It wasnt an autopilot, and the trim alone wasnt enough to pull the Stuka up from a dive. A 45° nose up would end in a stall, even more with a turn.

[@johnootot]

I knew an old guy who flew these things. He told me they were hard on pilots physically because every dive made them sick with a feeling their insides were “pushing up to erupt out of their heads”. He flew in Poland, North Africa etc Before moving to small rocket aircraft towards the end.

[@gammarey7070]

Playing this on war thunder, cant push myself to research the succesor lol

[@MichaelRosenblum_Emp500]

Get the ju87 d-5 so u can have 6 20mm guns. It is in the folder under the d-3

[@herschel7643]

I like the 1,000 lb bomb one

[@thepsychoticone615]

I grinded most of the German aired type tree just by using the JU 87 and just having fun

[@insanecrazyman7637]

The sound of it on war thunder haunts my dreams...

[@bradenhagen7977]

The Gs have FANTASTIC rear gunners for 1.3-2.0. Rs have a giant bomb at a low BR. And the Ds have either a huge payload or a bunch of 20s. All of them bring something worthwhile to the table.

[@josephstabile9154]

Cardboard? Did you mean onboard?

[@ChapeauRouge921]

I came here for that. Still wondering about cardboard components in the the Jerico trumpets

[@jamesgoldring1052]

​@@ChapeauRouge921did they even use cardboard back then?

[@philipdurling1964]

It always amazed me that Stukas never had retractable undercarriage. I often wonder if this was a design fault or a left over from WW1 thinking. In any case, a superb example of combined arms support in its early stages. An integral part of Blitzkrieg. Not so much when used defensively.

[@Jamesbrown-xi5ih]

Because it was a much simpler and quicker to manufacture design. The Stuka was an interwar aircraft and everything in designing at that time was a trade off. She was also able to take off and land from nearly anywhere because of that tough undercarriage.

[@samuelmargueret9626]

Stuka are some nasty nasty planes !! But they are incredible !! Thanks for these incredible shorts !!

[@TheGeoArchaeologist]

Ngl? Wish we had a equivalent to the Stuka Siren today. Like can you imagine a a10 but instead of just the brrrt you have that unnerving sound trailing it

[@bravomike4734]

Nah. The brrrt is even more terrifying because the sound comes after the bullets hit their target. So if you're still alive to hear brrrrt then it means some platoon just died and you're lucky that it wasn't you. Yet.

[@harryparsons2750]

I don’t think you’d hear it over the jet engines

[@DrSabot-A]

Some planes like the F-18 and Su-57 make whistling and rumbling noises due to their intake and ports when passing by at certain speeds. Other than the A-10's GAU-8 that's the closest "siren" effect we have

[@Atlas_high-gaming]

​@@bravomike4734exactly tho you hear it and you're happy you do, there's no fear of the "it might be me"

[@bravomike4734]

@@Atlas_high-gaming ok but a single A-10 can do as many runs as it wants, Stuka can't, there's just one bomb the worst part about the stuka was that once people got over the psychological fear or was an army with higher morale and better equipment such as Americans, the siren of the Stuka gave away the tactical advantage of surprise and only worked as an alert for the anti-aircraft gun crews in advance but there is no predicting the brrrrrt

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , K&G .

[@CHEGTO]

I really wish that a lot of the archival footage from the German film crews was still around it would be amazing to see what they had but also educational to really put into perspective what they decided to film

[@filip1408]

Finally an accurate depiction of a dive!

[@winfriedkloeser3244]

The top Stuka ace also had input into the development of the American A10.

[@paulmartinez8337]

Stuka, was the original A-10 Warthog! So true the fact, that the most decorated German pilot flew a Stuka he was interviewed by the engineers who designed the A-10 Warthog.

[@wouterkellerman4458]

Hans Rudel

[@paulmartinez8337]

@wouterkellerman4458 thanks 😊!

[@bruceclarke6368]

My Grandfather was one of the Rats of Tobruk and he said that the Stuka siren was the scariest sound.

[@johnevergreen8019]

I remember the first time I ever played COD: 2 The Big Red One I was probably like 5 or so on my old PS2 these damn things and those Nebelwerfer (sorry if I spelled that wrong it’s been many years) rockets terrified me and I later learned in my high school days that this was the exact intention of those noisy war machines

[@SOL-UK]

God damn I moss those days, was about the same age, I spent fucking ages on the very first level where the trenches are when you assault the bunker😂 need to give that game a play/watch through

[@josephsims3591]

Screaming mi mi

[@chezmcdave]

It’s funny because the pilots hated the Jericho trumpets partly because of the noise but also because they’d give away the planes location making it easier to be shot down as the Stuka was a very slow aircraft

[@bavery6957]

The Volkswagen dealer my dad bought our '69 Bug from while we were stationed in W. Germany was a former Stuka pilot...

[@marcostovar7968]

The wonder sound of these aircrafts is unforgetable.

[@MrMajorly]

80 years ago today PT 109 was sank in the early morning.

[@donlarocque5157]

Wow. Thanks for remembering. The WWII paratrooper Vincent Speranza passed away on Aug. 2,2023. If I have his name right.

[@lastofchristianbyzantineem4935]

​@@donlarocque5157 correct but search the name

[@christopherwang4392]

The Junkers Ju 87 Stuka would later be largely replaced in the daylight close air support role by ground attack versions of the Focke-Wulf Fw 190 Würger. The Fw 190 could carry roughly the same bombload as the Ju 87 while retaining fighter performances to enable the pilot to defend himself from enemy fighters.

[@jackdaniels4975]

The thing I never hear ppl talk about with the Stuka is that it the dives were basically automatic. The only thing the pilot would do is throw a few levers, the plane would automatically go into a dive. Once the pilot threw the bomb, it'd automatically pull back out and climb up on it's own. The only thing the pilot did was climb to altitude and spot a target with the window on the bottom, and throw a few levers.

[@wolf310ii]

People dont talk about it because its wrong. All the automatic did was to trim the plane nose down for the dive and after releasing the bomb it trim the plane nose up, so it continue to level out even when the pilot pased out, but the pilot had to inititiate the dive AND the pull up. The automatic wasnt an autopilot.

[@geroldatkins8146]

pretty plane

[@ernesthill4017]

I disagree. I think there's a rhyme about it being "...an ungainly lump"

[@ryanhogge8]

Those dive brakes made the stukas easy targets for allied ground forces, so later on in the war most of them were disabled. They saw less losses that way. Additionally, those sirens were mostly done away with early on in the war because they would drone on even at cruise, and nobody wanted to hear that.

[@williamzk9083]

From 1942 the Luftwaffe introduced two knew bomb sights. The Lotfe 7B was a stabilised computing bomb sight like the American Norden that compensated for winds and target motion. The StuVi 5B on the Ju 88 came with the BZA computer. With this bomb sight the dive brakes were removed. A crew would enter a 22 degree dive from say 8000ft and complete a bomb release and pullout by 5000ft at 400mph. The bomb sight was very accurate and told the pilot where the bombs were going to go. A good crew could get 1000kg bombs close enough to destroy a tank. The Lotfe 7B was also extremely accurate especially below 12000ft. From 1942 the Stuka wasn’t needed anymore

[@dyslexicvvolf]

The Jericho trumpets were not able to be controlled and made noise constantly. At first the sirens scared people below, but most people stopped being afraid of the sirens and listened for them. They stopped causing fear and instead were more of a nuisance. This is why later Ju 87's didn't have the sirens.

[@assaulthetz]

Stukas are so iconic and popular even today that those who doesn't know much of the war or just those who watch movies and play games knows about these, same to the V2 rockets.

[@4exgold]

"swastika in the sky" was an apt expression for this warplane.

[@AzadShadow]

Germans ingenuity knows no bounds.

[@stevetaylor8298]

It dived from 15,000 feet!

[@_germanikus_]

Good depiction, although Stuka stands for Sturzkampfbomber which already means dive Bomber. Junkers Ju 87 is the designation. Stuka was just the word most people called it because it perfectly describes it.

[@antartis73]

The recovery from the dive was an automated procedure by changing the trim of the tail that the pilot could set on a certain altitude and help the force needed by the pilot to pull out of the dive if the pilot had blacked out. Quite a neat feat of engineering

[@Apoc_Bone_Daddy]

I wonder if I can get those horns and attach them to my truck

[@thelespauldude3283]

They were not known as jericho trumpet. They were simply called "Sirene" or "Lärmgerät" for "noise device"

[@JackValeroMusic]

Apparently the Stuka pilots hated the sirens too, because they’d be constantly going off the entire time they were flying and would give their position away.

[@Mc-machanical]

I could only imagine what a fighter variant would be like. Retractable landing gear, DB 603 engine, twin 13mm heavy machine guns, backed by twin 20mm cannons. I'd be terrified.

[@Leothecultleader]

These sirens were never turned on by the pilot they activated by themselves

[@orwellboy1958]

until Spitfires and Hurricanes had them for breakfast.

[@josephsims3591]

Dont forget my baby the P-40😢

[@paulc2886]

Indeed. July 42, El Alamein. Eleven 1 Sqn SAAF Hurricanes downed 13 Stukas and a 109. After the war it was found that two others had failed to reach base as well. The entire Stuka squadron had been destroyed. My father was one of the SAAF pilots

[@joonamikkonen_]

These are not meant to dogfight 1v1. No! There was a reason why Stukas also had fighters supporting. It's like putting ME-262 against B-17s.

[@BlueProductions12]

Bro thinks there is a key for the siren 💀 it's turned on automatically when reached +400 km/h

[@TheRedBaron2010]

The Jericho sirens weren't even moving

[@centeringcube]

The siren scared everyone cause of how effective it was so gotta give the germans credit they knew how to look fly and scare just about everyone for a short time

[@alexmartin4772]

Cool. Germany got the good stuff.

[@raydenn6027]

The stuka was easy pickings for fighters immediately after dropping the bomb in the Battle of Brittain.

[@tankythemagnorite9855]

Imagine if those things had been fitted woth Aztec Death Whistles. Would have been a whole new level of terrifying.

[@rockysablue]

Such a beautiful looking plane

[@ea5yliver]

Also fun fact: I don't remember if it was all of the versions or just the early ones but the pilots were not given a means of turning off the jericho trumpets, making their sorties incredibly long as they flew to the target while constantly having to listen to that sound constantly whining for the entire flight over. 😂

[@bdogplayz]

Fun Fact only the JU-87 B1 and B2 variants had the jericho trumpets they were removed on later models to increase speed, maneuverability and bomb load

[@United_StatesMilitary]

As long as you can hear it, you’re safe

[@Driven2Beers]

As an AA gunner in WWII, my aim would've trembled under them. 😳

[@LesterMoore]

Think I saw a documentary about the bloody battle of Dak To in Vietnam when during a critical moment the NVA brought up a couple of Soviet armored troop carriers PT 76. The Army officer had the courage to show a little humor at a high stress time when on the radio to a support group that was unable to provide support he then asked for some JU 87s.😄 When the radio operator at the support group asked for clarification the brave Army Officer replied, "Stukas. JU 87 Stukas. Tank killers."

[@lordhue]

In spite of the fact that the Stuka was antiquated at the beginning of the war it was so well designed at what it did that it was irreplaceable in the German warfare inventory. Kind of like the B-52 has become in the US inventory.

[@aaroncrook8852]

Fun fact, the sirens were a literary held on with straps and often fell off in flight

[@johanneshaukanes4531]

I always thought it was the bombs that made that sound.

[@daymal2717]

I cant fly this thing in war thunder, end up shot down before I can even get my load off 😂.

[@HOLY_SEE]

Yo I love the Stuka thank you

[@davidbeattie4294]

The ironic thing about the Stuka's attack was that in order to be accurate the dive had to have a predictable flight path, making the plane easier for gunners to shoot down. Clearly with the noise and explosions this was a much harder thing to do than to say.

[@Cr1n-l4s]

SBD-3 enters the chat

[@garycleveland6410]

It also sported a pair of 7.92 mm machine guns in addition to a single 7.92 mm machine gun in the rear cockpit.

[@XavierLopez-g5m]

Las trompetas de Jerico...el que escuchaba las bocina que tenian estos aviones causaban verdadero terrorr por quienes las escuchaban en tierra...

[@Masterhitman935]

Is there a full video on this?

[@stahlg]

what else is there to know?

[@captainbruhmoment]

i enjoy the stuka siren

[@Dr.Kananga]

Best bomber ever.

[@hippomantube]

I did a project in highschool history class, and i cant even remember the topic it was either on effectiveness of the stuka's trumpet or on why France fell so quickly, but i remember doing research on the stuka and ive always liked it and it's signature wail since.

[@Salem-TC]

They were winning the war with Style... 😂😂

[@sashankgaming6818]

Every Diving plane sound in Hollywood

[@ciaranmcguinness8900]

The original Tie Fighter screech

[@k98_zock_tv47]

Gods - I love this plane :)

[@Dez.B]

Pilots must’ve been blacking out more than a college frat boy

[@nelotharen8599]

my great uncle professor Wilhelm flew in a ju87...but the RAF of England shot him down....his picture was always on my grandmas wall in full uniform. True.

[@harryparsons2750]

Your great uncle was a Nazi?

[@ShaneBraaten]

Probably the most Awe inspiring Airplane I can Remember learning about as a kid..... Well, and the P-51 Mustang 😅

[@PoH.Orobas]

The sirens just notify me of incoming prey.

[@nelsonchereta816]

Stuka's were absolutely incredible at their job so long as the Luftwaffe had air superiority. But whenever they didn't they were just sitting ducks.

[@kirktravis5780]

The siren could not be turned on or off that's why they only used them for a short time because they drove the pilot's nutz.

[@computer_toucher]

"Stuka Junkers?" You mean the Junkers Ju-87 "Stuka?" That's, like, a mistake so basic the impression I get is "skip, don't recommend"

[@desertking3312]

The Jericho Trumpet was only added to the B2 variant and was no longer installed on later versions as it caused unnecessary drag and weight

[@marchonore]

The automatic pull-up system was almost always disabled because if pilots always pulled up at the same height they would be sitting ducks for AA.

[@wolf310ii]

No it was not, the pull up automatic (wich was only a change of trim) was just not linked to the bomb release anymore

[@robertmartin9677]

Another Great German Weapon!

[@legalbeagle122]

I just learned that the reason many pilots weren't passing out when they were diving at such an extreme angle was Pervitin

[@harryparsons2750]

That has nothing to do with G forces. It keeps you from sleeping not blacking out from G forces. 2 completely different things

[@Assassn-ey6uq]

Until the allies stopped being scared of the siren and knew to take cover fast

[@markhall9234]

Didn't need a pilot either apparently.

[@aquarius5719]

Then the battle of England arrived and stukas attracted British fighters like honey to the bees

[@ericscottstevens]

3./St.G.77 "Kline Fische" No Job Too Big, No Job Too Small. I knew you Paul.

[@thejediknight203]

I wonder how the Stuka would be as the next American attack aircraft, versus the Bronco and other aircraft.

[@RobbieNguyen]

Basically inferior in every way. American Naval aircraft were superior since the beginning with the exception of the TBD-1.

[@DrSabot-A]

Yeah i agree, completely inferior. The Stuka was good at dive bombing, and not much else. It was slow in flight, meager armaments even after it received a pair of 2cm MG151s and it was sluggish. The OV-8 and the Air Tractor, despite being small, has a powerful engine, is agile, and can carry a lot more than a Stuka before finally being just as sluggish

[@anthonywilson4873]

They needed Fighter cover. In the Uk in WWII they where shot out the skies easily by Hurricanes and Spitfires. They where withdrawn from attacks in the UK due to heavy losses.

[@disme2072]

I didnt know that it had automatic pull up dive brakes. very cool

[@antartis73]

Not quite like you wrote here. The dive brakes were to stop it from over speeding, the automated pull out was a trim set on the elevator for a certain altitude and the bomb release was linked to it so once the central bomb had been released it would auto engage the trim change

[@disme2072]

@antartis73 right, causing it to pull out of the dive assuming.

[@wolf310ii]

@@disme2072 No, it didnt cause the pull out, it made the pull up easier for the pilot and continiue to level out the plane when the pilot passed out and let go of the stick.

[@redacted8983]

Isn't the arrangement supposed to be Company Name-Model Number-Common Name and not Common Name-Company Name-Model Number?

[@MrBlipman]

Only the B variants were fitted with the Jericho sirens.

[@rvangaal7859]

My grandfather didn't fly these planes but he did have a horse and waggon with these trumpets though during the war not so exiting actually

[@arthurneddysmith]

"Cardboard siren"? "Outboard siren"? It's hard to hear what he describes the "Jericho trumpet" siren as.

[@AHersheyHere]

Curious the Nazis would name it 'Jericho Trumpet', after the siege by the Tribes of Judea.

[@TheGeneralGrievous19]

In Poland we called them "sztukasy".

[@chrismayo4902]

It’s a shame they didn’t upgrade the engines and make newer models for it’ as a close in aerial artillery platform it was a devastating enemy that was pin point accurate 99% of the time’ it was the first smart bomb in a way’ able to adjust on the fly, spot targets of opportunity, pull off a target for various reasons, the Russians had there version which also was similar tactic wise with the I2-Ilyushin, still a good tactic

[@noone4700]

amazing

[@robertmetzger6467]

I like the White Camo Paint in IL-2 STURMOVIK.

[@edtrine8692]

The first time it met a fighter it died!

[@luggilu7864]

Can we please burry the myth that these were called jericho trumpets? So many books get it wrong and they all cite each other. There is no historic document calling it a jericho trumpet or hericho siren. There is some reference to "trumpet of jericho" in reference to a whistling device employed on bombs, the dive sirens were simply called sturzkampfsirenen or dive sirens in english.

[@FNWendigo]

It was a sitting duck against aircraft though.