STUN, STALL & BURN - Ten Minute Testing

[@Monkeylighthouse]

The fact that these decks are relevant enough for a 10 minute testing really tells you the current state of yugioh

[@LilyApus]

"combo deck bad" is a sentiment that will never go away, floodgates will remain relevant just on spite alone.

[@mornhiver]

@@LilyApus stun decks aren't anti meta or anti combo, they're anti fun and anti yugioh

[@enlongjones2394]

@@mornhiver nah.

[@zsatroof5219]

​@@enlongjones2394 yes

[@daggerofstyxx1387]

@@mornhiverthey are made for this reason and plus it’s budget there’s stuff like this in every card game

[@tenkyoken]

What making new archetypes unaffected by hand traps does to a mfer

[@MrLednard]

What making the game too reliant on hand traps obviously lead too.

[@Mt.Berry-o7]

You know what, I'm not even going to pretend I didn't enjoy seeing snake-eyes get milled, burned and stunned. It was actually satisfying to watch.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

2:00 Runick Stun 6:34 Chain Burn 9:54 One Bad Day

[@glip715]

Remember a few months ago, when the meta was Rescue-Ace, Purrely, Unchained, Labrynth, Infernoble and even decks like Mikanko were topping (and Joshua Schmidt was winning a YCS with whatever flavour of Runick he felt like playing), and both Kash and Tear were nerfed to merely "very good"? And there were some complaints that the meta was *too diverse* to properly plan/deck for? That might be looked at in years to come as a golden age format.

[@ConductorElcrest]

Eeehh I think the decks of that format were still very annoying. I'd rather take Master Duel's current format over the one you're talking about. Even with Maxx C it's still fun

[@magiv7573]

Prolly true for a lot of peoplr, though i think its more a jab at people who say a format thats *too diverse* is also bad Not that i think those people think any tier 0 format is good so its a bit of a strawman ...at the same time though, i kinda agree that people saying a format is *too diverse* is super lame ​@ConductorElcrest

[@rileyvantriet]

That format was one of the better formats like last year/two imo

[@ConductorElcrest]

@@magiv7573 Right, there’s nothing wrong with a super diverse format but if the decks themselves aren’t fun to play against then it’s like “yeah things are diverse but the core issue is the decks” I think there can be such thing as a format that has way too many decks that do way too many different things and turn things into a roulette, but I don’t think yugioh has ever really had that. Like another example of a really diverse format that just wasn’t interesting was the sky striker, thunder dragon, orcust format. Very diverse format, but not really fun for me. Meanwhile MD has a very diverse format rn, but is still extremely fun too

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

During that time Abyss Actors and Galaxy Eyes got tops at a regional. The fact that the format was that low powered to where a deck that has an endboard of a monster negate and return 2 to hand could get results that's just a testament to how good the format was. I really hope we could go back to that either as a retro format or in the future the format gets reduced to a similar power level.

[@callmekermy9946]

THE CLOSEST TO *TEN* WE'VE HAD IN A LONG TIME

[@Mantis24513]

Probably would've been 10 if it didn't need 3 deck profiles.

[@fairnbalanced3378]

The actual games actually last ten minutes, it's just the deck profiles and Joseph explaining what the cards do, and since we're playing yugioh, explaining what a card does takes a while, especially if you don't expect many people to already know what the cards do

[@callmekermy9946]

@@fairnbalanced3378 was just joking abt lol

[@Snom_on_a_Bench]

It's funny that this is going up the same week Alex and Gage played a Chain Burn vs Barrier Statue Stun match in Prog.

[@nyanbrox5418]

They were just playing modern yugioh xD But that is true, Gage was on a prog equivalent of one bad day, even playing cards like moon mirror shield, and I swear Cimo played almost that exact burn list save for a few new cards People were saying it's the worst episode in a while, but ironically, it is literally the current fluffing format

[@dmatayoshi1]

NEW YGOPRODECK AD READ LETS GOOOO

[@Realsheepsoft]

This is the most important part of the video

[@f.b.iagent3971]

@@Realsheepsoftit was certainly the most exciting

[@MiyaoMeow588]

Wow! What engaging gameplay!!! I really had to apply 110% of my brain power to keep up with the elaborate plays on display!

[@Oni-On]

Only 110%? I had to apply 150% cause it was too elaborate

[@ErinaBearnova]

150%? That’s rookie numbers! I had to use at least 300% brain power to understand the in depth combo lines of each deck!

[@HeartBeatCollide]

Only 300%? I needed 500% just to understand the deck building choices.

[@TeamSprocket]

me when the linear combo player does the linear combo

[@michaelroach3175]

Punched in the face turbo

[@toadfan64]

The assault charges are what lets you afford Snake Eyes then.

[@Off_Screen]

Combo players when chain burn gets relevant again: "no, we got rid of mystic mine, your supposed to be dead..." Chain burn: "my death was...greatly exaggerated"

[@spicymemes7458]

"Fix Your F*cking Game" the deck

[@carlosroo5460]

4:17 Well yes indeed I had mister Mono Blue Tron, I read The Illustrated Man by Ray Bradbury, fascinating stories, a little too many Mars variations, but other than that a solid read.

[@StephenMatrangolo]

Hey I was the chain burn player! MBT played almost perfectly aside from 1 small thing. You go into BP bluffing Evenly to get them to preemptively go into S:P. Aside from that the deck seemed to work as intended, drawing lava golem/mourner/ring of destruction resolving would’ve made it a lot easier tho lol.

[@rdmptn3828]

i saw your list on ygoprodeck yesterday and it made me want to go back to burn sooo bad, good fucking job going top4 at a 500 regional lol

[@moonjelly5]

I was at a regionals the other day and the guy sitting next to me in round two had Amano-Iwato, One Day of Peace, Threatening Roar, and Messenger of Peace in his hand and board. I was never happier to be facing and losing to Dinomorphia.

[@NorisvastradaVastrael]

So you have chosen the way of Cimo. The way of Darkness. Of Evil. Of Death.

[@kimjung-un8204]

Game is game

[@MattIsAMage]

Cimo was really ahead of the curve playing this 2024 deck back in last episode of the progression series. truely they have progressed

[@stuckmeister7750]

Its very real, I went with a group of about 15 to a regional this weekend, and almost everyone played against at least 1 runick or horus stun. It was everywhere.

[@Raminator243]

Much of my testing for the Philadelphia regionals was the Snake Eyes mirror. I was not ready for stun and got dunked on at the event. 💀

[@broww.]

kinda sad that ThaBears isn't in the patreon list anymore always liked how MBT said it differently from the other names

[@__-be1gk]

I wonder what take made him give up on him

[@ashikjaman1940]

He's just hibernating

[@eleonarcrimson858]

@@__-be1gkhe just didn’t sub this month bro 😂

[@Saixjacket]

@@__-be1gkman were they married or something? 😂

[@zenoftw]

It's just a reference to an snl skit making fun of Chicago accents

[@scottwheler177]

I love this format! (Of video) it would be really cool for certain decks with small (but significant) varients - particularily for an old deck coming back with new support that can take it in multiple ways.

[@freakyfishguy1692]

Played at a regional Sunday where I lost to runic stun because of a card called “scrubbed raid”. Never seen that card before in my life

[@ThaLedg]

Tier 0 exists YGO players: "OPEN THE (flood)GATES!"

[@Dimizar]

"I rather erase 25 years of Yu-Gi-Oh than learn the Snake Eyes line." - Stun player

[@Saixjacket]

I don’t blame the guy. Normal summon ash is auto grounds for execution where I’m from.

[@kimjung-un8204]

It's not about learning snake eyes it's not waiting to be homeless to play a card game

[@aetherblackbolt1301]

Gatekeep (Stun), Gaslight (Burn), Girlboss (Stall) 🤪

[@explosionspin3422]

I read that as "gravekeep (stun)"

[@Greg501-]

This is peak yugioh

[@ByronAndOnAndOn]

This was actually a really interesting TMT. Thank you for highlighting these decks!

[@AtlasNovack]

I love that MBT says "popular" as 🎵Pop-u-lerr🎵 like in Wicked ❤️

[@BerryBoi69]

Unironically the only fun way to play against snake eye.

[@themeow-sician1664]

Truly one of the decks of all time as a wise man once said "I always come back" Grilliam Afton

[@brianmccarthy3558]

I wish the Runick Stun list highlighted Card Scanner, really neat tech that some duelists tried as a way to get more Tip activations and achieve deckout faster, since you can basically always manipulate the bottom card of your deck while you have Fountain live. Anyways, great video!

[@phoxniix69]

I accidentally paused the video at the beginning and thought the entire opening bit this time was just going to be MBT laying down, literally stalling for time

[@hannibal9852]

This is probably the most beautiful video I've ever seen. The 2nd list was my favorite

[@Shiptoast0]

I'm fascinated by these 3 Seeing people lab out minor stun details is exquisite

[@mythwing]

You know, I think that if MBT ever stops doing the skits at the beginning of the 10MT I might actually

[@sladevalen]

As long as a snake eyes player has a bad day im happy so im all on board for this

[@toadfan64]

I'll be playing these till Snake Eyes is nerfed into the ground personally. Or at least until Tenpai since I love OTK decks.

[@TCGunsha]

Hey Sometimes you gotta beat "Fire" with FIRE

[@wanderlustwarrior]

I'm currently going against Snake Eye/Runick as I type this. And I mean literally as I type this, since I've got time during their plays or while they contemplate what to play off of their Maxx C because they didn't have enough advantage already... It's not that I don't enjoy playing Yu-Gi-Oh, it's that Yu-Gi-Oh cards and players have made the game more often than not unenjoyable.

[@dudebladeX]

Tier 0 decks beget floodgates. I'm not sure which is more frustrating.

[@beppe1922]

Tier0 decks 'cause floodgate decks could become Tier0 decks themselves in the end, so the mere exitence a such concept that forces the meta to pivot deckbuilding in a single direction with little to no diversity is the bane of a game of cards. It almost makes other games like Uno, poker and other "standard" card games look much more appealing to play XD

[@raystrife234]

OPP: WHY!? HOW COULD YOU DO THIS?! Me playing stun, looking at that one bonfire in opp's graveyard: .. *You're the cause*

[@Oni-On]

You know the format is bad when one of the top decks contending with the best deck is STUN, STALL, AND BURN!

[@johnblunt6693]

I mean, I guess burn would still fit the theme of fire format

[@N12015]

And people DOESN'T DESPISE THEM THAT MUCH compared to the other deck.

[@cerberusgamingygo2383]

That guy who made the stun comment finally got his tmt

[@KiuhKobold]

This feels cathartic. When creativity is stretched to its limits, spite reigns as the moving force in a card game. Everyone plays meta, everyone hates meta.

[@carpedm9846]

Dread it, run from it, but the truth is stun is the lifeblood of yugioh. It is in the game's dna. Stop being in denial and put that skilldrain into your runick deck.

[@TeamSprocket]

I don't know why yugioh players hate non-creature based control and stax so much, it's just as valid as any other strategy, and it isn't even 40 turn manual deckout lockouts.

[@mcmisterhd1920]

​@@TeamSprocketI love furniture labrynth, I enjoy runick variants, I like the striker powerspell version of snake eye. You know what these "non monster based" decks offer that stun doesnt? INTERACTIVITY. Thats why people hate stun

[@tonyshen8543]

​@@mcmisterhd1920you know what those combo decks lack as well? interactions. I don't want to watch my opponent play a single player game for 10mins, and fortunately flood gates stop exactly those types of bullshit

[@mcmisterhd1920]

@@tonyshen8543 Depends on the combo deck, while snake eye is slightly overtuned joshua schmidt did fairly well with a striker version of snake eye (some ocg people doing well with paleozoic as well lol) where you play through their interaction and try to dismantle their board. This, together with control mirrors, is in my opinion peak yugioh. Both players try to use their interaction at the right moment to see who comes out on top using skill. Flipping a floodgate is not skill, you dont have to time it, you remove interaction. Yes omni negate boards are more boring than say prankids butler double raigeki (still no clue why meow mu is banned) but per definition its interaction as you are interacting with the opponents plays. If you dont like modern yugioh dont play it. Stop making life miserable for those who enjoy this type of gameplay, i recommend magic, its quite fun and slower.

[@MayhemMessiah]

@@mcmisterhd1920floodgate and stun has been a staple of Yugioh since it’s inception. The first archetype ever developed as such was built around a powerful floodgate that still sees play and even featured on this video. If you don’t like classical Yugioh playstyles how about you try something else then? Stun and burn have been part and parcel of Ygo since the start and will never go away. Anti-meta strats will always be viable. Cope, or throw away thousands on a tier 0 Konami is going to tank in a list or two. If anything the new Dragons are showing what Konami thinks about stun, we’re now getting stun effects on decks that are also aggro and have backup strategies.

[@thomeaus6343]

These decks are what a tier 0 format does to a mfr.

[@MrZacdeath]

I like Stun, Stall, and Burn.

[@esseubo441]

Holy shit finally fun decks

[@TheSeventhChild]

Have to admit it was pretty funny listening to Joseph's rapidfire play by play of...Runick Stun.

[@Ultima_Atulos_Maxim]

Ok but hear me out... Runick Chain Burn.

[@drewtrafelet8840]

I swear a new continuous trap floodgate just spawns into existence sometimes

[@traplover6357]

Everyday this format exists, i miss the months of post-Ariseheart ban and pre-Phantom Nightmare. 😔

[@DrAiPatch]

And to think the biggest complaint about last format was there was TOO many playable decks.

[@DarkAuraLord]

@@DrAiPatch nooooo, the format is too diverse! My perfectly solved meta and 100% predictable sideboards! Aiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[@fieldoflettuce7091]

Unchained died for this

[@dhanyl2725]

​@@DarkAuraLord A truly dumb complaint 😂

[@tinypokemon6655]

Bro I know that was some of the most fun I have ever had playing yugioh and they took it away.

[@DrAiPatch]

Just imagine how bad this would be if Mines wasnt banned.

[@flameburst45]

why'd i watch this like i didnt know what these decks did

[@dabbingtoast7743]

You know one of these days the people that regulate the ban list are finally going to be told that they work in the same building as the card designers.

[@ctromsky5729]

Boring is subjective. I think ruining the day of tier 0 players to be quite fun

[@bobby45825]

"It's boring" well, arguably, boring is watching someone combo for 10 minutes across from you and it ends in the same end result as Stun except I don't waste your time when trying to lock you out of the game. Oh and I don't pretend that playing a flowchart is a testament to skill. I'd also never downplay my deck and say "it's fun for my opponent". Of course it isn't, but snake-eyes players are like Tear players and won't admit playing against their decks is literally cancer.

[@nonamedpleb]

but but, the iNterActiVitY . you get the illusion that you can break my board, isn't that fun? 😂

[@renmizunashi]

Tear was at least fun in the mirror. Snake-Eyes isn’t fun period.

[@getrobed648]

Tearlaments were actually fun, Snake-Eyes just lame

[@bobby45825]

@@getrobed648 Only Tear gamblers think like that. Tier 0 made MD unplayable for a while.

[@getrobed648]

@bobby45825 not only Tearlaments gamblers think like that, but ok

[@One_vile_gt]

I think it’s less of “don’t want to play yugioh” and more of a Done with modern yugioh.

[@fallencloser5028]

ONE BAD DAY !!! 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

Thankfully, Crystal Beasts not only have a pretty good snake eye matchup, but their increasingly popular archetypal field spell, Ancient City Rainbow Ruins, and their omnipresent new continous spell, Rainbow Bridge of the Heart, can utterly demolish stun.

[@DarkAuraLord]

I can't believe you're playing Stun 3: The Reckoning

[@wendellflowersmusic]

I been watching for the past 5 years now. Last year, November, my dad passed of lung cancer. From 2022, November, all the way until now, your channel has been so important in helping me stay positive during this time. These videos are Always the highlight of my week for the past 1 and a half now, and will probably always continue to be

[@antonbrown17]

The Runick deck pissses me off the most because the Runick engine is inherently broken on it's own (a draw 3 recycle every turn while playing spells from hand and banishing your outs from deck is nuts) but putting floodgates in it feels like a crime

[@Timeater]

On the contrary, people play stun, stall & burn because they're burned out of so much snaking. The video reveals just that. Three duels, three snake suckers.

[@noobpaints6114]

the worst part is that they're not even reptile. Snake rain would make the deck degenerate but its annoying a deck having snake in the name not being reptile lol.

[@kkiller910]

This video was the closest thing ever to make me stop playing card games, please make more

[@duckgossip]

Just draw the out.

[@joaopedroribeiro1483]

To fix yugioh we need to ban all combo and stun cards Revive monke beatdown

[@Hatzmanialand]

I was at the philly regional Positively one of the most depressing tournament experiences ive ever had.

[@Closer2Zero]

When you’re broke, you do what you can

[@tpspeed]

"First we have runik stun." The flashbacks... oh god not again

[@Navarreswordmaster]

The stun deck looks actually pretty fun. Too bad that list is nowhere near legal on MD, which is the only place I get to really play lmao.

[@PKSparkxxDH]

9:45 I never felt worst for a Snake-Eyes player LMAOOOO

[@KamenRiderGreed]

This is why I only play casually with my friends.

[@Lamia_Loveless]

These matches... I guess the only thing stronger than money Is the hate for humanity

[@adamsherwani3971]

Watching stun was more interesting than seeing tear and snake eye play

[@dorky2958]

My fav deck to go against the sickening fire boredomness

[@leizier]

Maybe this kind of decks incentivize players to start maindecking removal cards that can affect both monsters and backrow. Like fireking spell that pops, icarus attack for winged beast strategiesetc. Those cards are still versatile enough to cover multiple decks they face while having main deck outs to this type of floodgates and opression they face at times.

[@antonbrown17]

I've started main decking spell and trap removal but it doesn't always save you. Not only can you only play so many before it fucks up your own deck's consistency, it's hard to destroy as many spell and traps as they can produce. Runick recycles and can protect floodgates, the new version of the paleo deck recycles from GY as well and many of these decks can play all the pot cards and demise for draw power. These decks are engineered not to be too affected by your opponent's intervention

[@babyrath8621]

I knew this couch would star in a skit soon enough

[@Abosoria]

Don't ever complain again about a diverse format because this is what you get when you have a tier 0 format other than tear

[@ct1296]

I’m sure people wanted to play decks like this in Tear Format, but Perlereino being MST every turn and heartbeat being somewhat searchable s/t removal meant it wouldn’t actually have the desired effect. Even before the Ishizu stuff let you trigger Planet on demand, people had the answers - after Mine Burn won a YCS at the start of POTE format, a lot of players opted to main Jet + Smashers (to search with Elf/Gigantic) for an additional out accessible in-engine. Snake Eye is one hell of a deck, but it doesn’t have that flexibility.

[@sladevalen]

I hated tear format just as much as this one

[@noobpaints6114]

I know it's not actually true but it feels like we've been in a tear 0 format for a year and a half between tear, kash, then snake eyes. lol

[@sladevalen]

@@noobpaints6114 I 100% agree

[@afeathereddinosaur]

I prefer to call this group of strategies Stun, Trap, Damage or STD for short

[@kingnewgameplus6483]

This is a good thing. If decks are so expensive that "*sigh*, pass" turbo is meta then maybe konami will do something about it

[@DrAiPatch]

Start banning floodgates

[@-u-waa]

​@@DrAiPatch Pretty much lmao, Konami will never ban the actual problem cards until they're either no longer a problem or something worse has taken their place.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

Konami?! Hitting their new favorite spoiled Child Diabellstar and co. (Snake-Eyes & Fire King)? As if

[@kingnewgameplus6483]

@@ianr.navahuber2195 Im not asking for a ban, I'm asking for the deck to not cost as much as a new york penthouse

[@sludgeg1rl]

it's a very dorky thing but I genuinely love the TMT's and have watched them so much that now I do the intro and YGOprodeck ad read out loud along with Joseph every time.

[@sludgeg1rl]

however the new ad read has thrown me off completely and my life has spiraled into total disarray. God Damn You mr. BT

[@2iq371]

konami will unironically ban this to deal with snake eyes before they hit snake eyes

[@pilzgnom2329]

Its so over for our beloved card game o7 rest in peace

[@Pyzlnar]

On 9:45 they let Trap Trick being destroyed when it was the last card on the backrow. On this situation a better play is to use it and set Secret Blast, since if they destroy it they'll get hit for 1k damage. If they don't, you can use it, and THEN rollback. Trap Trick DOES NOT lock you out of GY Traps because GY Traps are not considered Trap Activations (just Trap Effects). Also side note: I would probably side Deck Lady Labrynth or Blazing Mirror Force instead of Magic Cylinder / some of the 3rd copy traps. Awesome TCG list and showcase nonetheless!

[@StephenMatrangolo]

Goated chain burn player, I used one of your most recent lists as a heavy inspiration for my Philly build! I commented asking about a side deck but I don’t think you ever responded so I went with whatever I had lol!

[@Pyzlnar]

@@StephenMatrangolo YO! Sorry haha, I don't read youtube comments that often, so I probably missed your message. I'm normally at the #burn channel on the MDM discord tho lol Hope you had fun at Philly!

[@planetofkryk]

Woah, didn't know they unbanned Mystic mine just for the first duel of this video! How nice of konami

[@mokukiridashi]

It's good that I only play master duel, I would do violent things to the person playing stun in front of me in paper format

[@BUNJIN40K]

Crazy that this gets the TMT before volcanic 😔

[@DrAiPatch]

I'm like 80% they got one..(not the FTK version)

[@BUNJIN40K]

@@DrAiPatch they did, it's just that that old runick list was terrible LMAO

[@lupinrangerjoker]

Why thank you MBT because you have given me a burn deck that no one is expecting in master duel. And it has worked magnificently even with all pots limited to 1 it was fine replacing two of the extravagance with one copy of duality and one of prosperity

[@frankyquilavafireblast895]

All it takes is one bad day

[@alexzeo9553]

Boarder stun player here and its because of these formats I turned to stun.

[@broakley1632]

its not the players fault for playing stun. in a tier zero format where the cost of entry into the meta is really high what are players expected to do.

[@ectoOLDACC]

4:17 ngl one of my favourite books that i read recently is "the long way to a small angry planet" by Becky Chambers

[@namajeff6616]

HE JUST WANTED TO SHOW OFF THE COUCH HE BOUGHT

[@esrohm6460]

most spicy ocg runick deck

[@williamxwelch8]

Regardless of the simplicity of the decks, this was a cool format for TMT. Showing 3 similar strategies against the meta gave a good look at why they are good but not taking a full episode to do so. Wouldn't mind this every so often.

[@CMaxoknight31]

the fact that this ISN'T the April Fools video scares me💀

[@mikemosc3254]

No matter how bad it is. It's not an excuse for selling your soul to the devil.

[@kevenblackworks1906]

This is what yugioh was always meant to be. Duels that last more than 3 turns. This is peak fun, and I love that people get salty over it.

[@Kefkaownsall]

Jeff Lenard approved😊

[@HapsterHap]

Well, uh, it’s a good thing that Snake Eye costs like 30% what it used to cost.