Stupidly fast Bike Wheels: Trispoke Disc Combo (Farsports)

[@davidbrayton1143]

Seeing Hambini this excited--he's actually giggling--is the best review any manufacturer could hope for.

[@theillegalimmigrant9314]

The thing I like about Hambini's channel is you know when he's genuinely impressed. It looks like these Farsports are a TT no brainer.

[@painstruck01]

i had to keep checking this wasn't a deepfake

[@EllisPedersen]

I think the lightbicycle set are a bit better but only in the DB version.

[@basedgodstrugglin]

I’m sure in person you can’t tell if it’s the hairdresser, being in Timmy’s Tea Room, or a very well engineered product

[@raulmarquez5485]

Nice set of wheels! I was getting worried about you Hambini as we hadn’t heard from you since Eurobike. I thought the bike industry thugs had made you disappear. Although you did say you were accosted in the bathrooms? Please do tell more in future video. Keep up the great reamings and reviews! ❤

[@assaultedpeanut9]

6:50 thank you for this clarification

[@Hambini]

I always put the hidden gems in to see who spots them.

[@sandswan]

I appreciate just how close you get the cut-in point to the beginning of HELLO! at the beginning of your videos.

[@savagepro9060]

Hidden Facts: Hambini was offered shares in FarSports! 🤣😂😅. But all jokes aside, the FACT that these have rim brake options enhances my theory that rim brake can NEVER DIE!

[@username8644]

Obviously need rim brakes for TT, no way disc is more aero.

[@Keksator]

finally, new Hambini video

[@nocturnalcadence1676]

Doing a Trifox build on my channel using your BB. So far so good, your assessment of the quality is spot on. Thanks Hambini

[@BreakawayB]

🙏Thank you for this review, I’ve been (lightly) scouring the market for a wheels to build up a TT bike!

[@systemsbroken]

Years and years go there was an ad from Specialized Bicycles...."Turning the page of this magazine has more wind resistance than this wheel at 30mph"...it was what is now known as the H3....oh, the good ol days.

[@benfinesilver2250]

I have that disc wheel with a custom logo. It’s good, but has flaws. There is no cover for access to the valve. That’s a 0.5w loss. You should tape this over if racing against the clock. Strange because they have other types in the factory that have covers slightly cheaper. The cut out is not large enough to fit a pump. You need to use a compressor or a mini pump with a hose to pump it. It is exactly the same as Hunt’s disc wheel, just Hunt only buys the 26mm from the factory and not the 28. As for the trispoke, Farsports offer many trispokes. Those one’s in particular are the same dimensions as Farsports Kaze, just without spokes. The same wheels are sold by Revolver (bought from the Farsports factory) and sold for 4-5 times the price and we’re used by Alex Dowsett. They are marketed with fake graphs to show they are the fastest wheels in the world. Their marketing discerns a difference of 1.5w between regular Farsports Kaze and this Farsports Tri-spoke. Therefore there is no point in buying it. Hardly any difference and the spokes Kaze is far more stable. As an aside, I’ve not seen any comparisons of the dimensions of trispokes (how wide they are). There are super narrow trispokes and very wide ones like Vision. I’ve not seen anyone definitively discuss whether wide or narrow is better. Rim depth obviously makes a difference. Most trispokes are 50-70 deep. Why not 90 deep when this is faster? Anyway, thank you Hambini.

[@mylesiswhite4122]

if you want to save 15w take a shit before the race

[@DavidStacey-tx7on]

Modern wide rim trend is such a wank. I have Parcour Grimpeur wheelset, 19mm internal and love them. Always ran 25mm tyres and after watching a 5yr old vlog I put a 23mm on the front to give a more aero profile, the difference in 2mm was madness. Alot more stable in any wind almost made it perfect and felt alot quicker.

[@leonschumann2361]

got a rear wheel disc cover from plastic. very fast but instability sure is a thing. but over like 40-45kp/h and above you really feel how the bike gets very stable and fast

[@suminshizzles6951]

I gotta say that the white intro page is a good reminder to turn down the volume. The page says nothing of the sort but when you have nearly blown your ear drums on a quite a few of your clips this reminder is vital. Very pretty looking wheels i gotta say. I know carbon is carbon but these look really nice.

[@Reanimator999]

It's been a while since Hambini did a product review.. woo hoo!

[@bellini98-1]

I would still really love to see some baseline tests with boxy 18-20mm high 17c rims, just to place every other wheel on your database into perspective

[@painstruck01]

I second this motion

[@Khalid-he6wt]

Thank you Dr Hambini for the information❤

[@joelv4495]

Got my Light Bicycle 465 gravel wheels based on Hambini's review. 👌

[@albr4]

but how much faster is the tri spoke over a deep spoked wheel? And is the disc actually much better than any other disc wheel? You need a comparison between a generic common disc/trispoke setup (like a HED tri-spoke and a completely flat disc), an 80mm spoked wheel + disc, and the farsport trispoke/disc to show if it's faster than what most people already use on their TT bike.

[@10ktube]

Do you have numbers to quantify "fast"? Are they fast compared to a normal box rim wheel or fast compared to other tt wheels? Did you record speed or power data during a few tests for comparison? I like numbers.

[@fixi47711]

😂😂😂 go read papers on this wheel if you can understand them

[@B_COOPER]

Yeah the quantified number is whatever the stopwatch says when you pass the finish line. You already knew that disc and tri spoke wheels are “faster” than traditional wheels, so you answered your own question. This is Hambini, he’s very knowledgeable despite being a 5 year old

[@JayLato]

When Zildjian makes wheels.

[@Mamilian]

Sorry if I missed it. Would you expect other disc/tri-spoke rims to exhibit similar aerodynamic properties or are there distinct design characteristics that Farsports has that others don't?

[@Hambini]

The double dished design on the disc is very good and the profile of the tri spoke is also matched. If someone copies it, they will be the same but it strikes me that this was designed by someone who has an appreciation of aerodynamics.

[@Mamilian]

@@Hambini Thank you.

[@colmocuinneagain3580]

I have the track vesion of their 25mm wide clincher disc wheel and 24mm wide 5 spoke front. 23mm gp5000 measure 23.5/24mm inflated. They are clydesdale friendly and farsports customer service is top notch. I ordered mine before the new design disc wheel was released

[@cpk313]

Nice wheelset! Well partly due to your confirmation of Look's engineering competence I just finished building up a 785 Huez RS, the other was it seemed the geometry would suit me and it does!

[@DharmindarChahal]

Love to hear your view on using two trispoke wheels instead of the dish at back pros and cons ? Apart from looking cool would i get more speed compared to traditional wheels

[@philipk4475]

Pro: Looks bling AF and probably not as dodgy in the wind. Cons, not as fast. Any questions?

[@LuescherTeknik]

Looks like an advertisement for Farsports to me.

[@benturp3492]

who cares how fast or slow they are! you should hear how banging they sound! The tri slicing through the air and the rear disc WHOOOOSHING. Got a pair corima tri and disc on TT bike. cant beat em. They just look fast.

[@kevinderung8524]

if the option existed, would running the trispoke in front and rear be advantageous over a bladed spoke wheel in front and rear? would these be comparable in a windier environment?

[@2001lednar]

Not a bragment, but I had Winspace on a bike and bought Farsports based on Hambini's previous review and I absolutely love them. They are rim brake and the brake track is great. I'm not so loaded that I buy wheels all the time, I just prefer to "upgrade" the bikes I have with newer wheels or replace the bearings. Farsports are just as good (in my opinion) as the Bontrager XXX's, which are great. I've bought NOX and Hunt as well, no comparison. 1.Farsport/Bontrager 2.Winspace 3. Hunt 4. NOX. Glad he reviewed these as well.

[@thomasneddon]

Which farsports model did you go for?

[@2001lednar]

@@thomasneddon Ventoux S EVO Series

[@hallockstuart7899]

could you explain the advantage of the double lens profile on the rear.

[@luis.sordi.]

Hey Hambini, could you to a video showing your testing of the wheels? Curious to see how you do it

[@pauldistance4347]

I might have missed something but you are looking at the 28mm wide version of the tri spoke at the start which looks like a new model but then mention that thinner is quicker. They have a heavier 23mm wide tri spoke which you show later @6.08 in the video but that looks like a whole different spoke design. I was just wondering if you thought the 28wide new deisgn front tri spoke would be a better buy than than 23mm model.

[@Clincalbeats]

Wonder how these compare to ffwd disc and 5 spoke. Shame they don't offer a track version for the disc

[@raimondaszigutis5617]

The 3 spoke that was rubbing princess blanket looks rather different in comparison to the one listed on their website. Most obvious is spoke angle. Checking if they can survive reaming before release or special Hambini edition to impress hairdresser?

[@stefanu93]

Would a Tri-Spoke Front with a 30mm deep wheel in the back work aerodynamically well, because the front is most important or does it need to be a disc to get the aero right? Would the shallow wheel in the back have a difference in crosswind stability? Love your videos/website

[@ScottWaltonDev]

I think Parcours tested their disc in crosswinds in Kona and they suggest a disc is actually MORE stable than a deep section wheel in crosswinds. I think the reasoning is that you're planted above the wheel, meaning the cross hit isn't that big, and you get the sail effect. A deep section still gets turbulence, by comparison.

[@Hambini]

If that's true, then I don't believe it for one second. It doesn't take much to get blown off with a disc. In comparison, a box section is happy in all but the worst storms.

[@slowcyclist4324]

Sorry, what’s a box section again?

[@firesurfer]

Is nobody going to comment about the sunken CF elephant in the room? Too soon? I bet many people would be interested in Hambini's pov of that disaster.

[@Angle-of-Attack]

Hambini, nice video. In the recent past, other tri-spoke designed wheels have flattened between the spokes. It took a few thousand miles but it was expected. Could you measure runout/roundness and report out? Thx.

[@binitbob]

I only have 1 question and I must have missed it in the video. Are they fast? I mean are they really fast? Because I don't think you mentioned if they were, you know .... Fast. 😂😂😂

[@SzwedunioWiesz]

What about 3 spoke wheels for front a back for daily Training/crits? Does it make sense?

[@Hambini]

I haven't seen a tri spoke rear to be able to answer that.

[@EthansTerrarium]

Do you think the gains from this combo are mostly from the trispoke front? I have a zipp858 front and a rear disk. Should be a fast combo, but now thinking of purchasing the trispoke 😮

[@galenkehler]

Youd have to test that with your personal setup. The 858 is already a fast wheel, so the difference would be small. Personally I've aero tested my Ican trispoke vs my 88mm yoeleo, and the 88mm yoeleo was a bit faster. The yoeleo is deeper (88 vs 69) and narrower by a couple mm so it makes sense it's faster

[@segmentkings]

You can use them in windy conditions too. I only have a disc for my TT bike. (Of course not saying to use them in storms.)

[@AstralVerse90]

Dude, you should make more videos. 🎉🎉

[@boogerlad]

If your center of gravity was lower (recumbent or prone bike for example), would crosswind instability still be a problem?

[@bromasi]

Once again 👍👍👍👍👍

[@AzaiKyou]

Sorry if the question is out of topic but what are your thoughts on de rosa frames? I know most big brands are overpriced and not shy from faults but I haven't seen you make a video for de rosa ones so curious if they're any good, cheers!

[@Hambini]

basically shite.

[@AzaiKyou]

@@Hambini Good to know lol

[@8507844e]

Roval rapides states their 32mm from outer rim width at the front is more aero. From your point of view yes or no?

[@lejeon7427]

Thanks for the great video! Question; How good could double(front and rear)trispoke wheels be? With nimble crosswind wheelset they look supercool and sound of chopping air is gorgeous, but does adding daisywheel at rear still make significant difference?

[@galenkehler]

Ive been riding the Ican 3-spoke/disc combo on my commuting/randonneur road bike for a couple years now and i can confim its much faster/easier. I got them cause its a cheap way to save some money on commuting costs (fuel, time, maintenance) but the extra KOMs are a nice benefit.

[@happydays8171]

You must get a lot of weird looks.

[@galenkehler]

@@happydays8171 it does get some looks of admiration. And of course everyone realizes how awesome it is and it starts a lot.of conversations

[@happydays8171]

@@galenkehler I can only imagine. I ride my Cervelo P5X to work at times, and get strange looks. I've often wondered if I put this rim combination on, I think they'd be honking.

[@cookiecrumbler79]

Welcome back Kotter. Any chance Elite Wheels will chuck you one of their disc wheels to do a review? Disclosure, i have one and am interested for my own purposes.

[@premierbike4268]

Did you do A/B, aero sensor or wind tunnel testing to determine how fast the wheels are?

[@matthennon5314]

The Tri spoke looks very similar to the PDQ, which is very stable in crosswinds...did you wind tunnel test these wheels to establish how fast they were? how did you come to the conclusion that they are so fast? your commutes to work? seriously? doesn't even look like you've had a tyre on the rims either..do any of the Pro Tour teams use Farsport wheels?

[@youraverageisuzuowner3699]

Mate can you review the java fouco air

[@Reanimator999]

San Francisco is very windy, so disc wheel is no good...But it doesn't hurt have a naughty picture of Hairdresser on it though. If you know what I mean.. 🤣

[@miguelsaez340]

Very little evidence for a guy like hambini who usually provide some data… he showed little graphs which only showed indexed comparisons between wheels normally little or no people ride in groups / competition. It would be much more useful to have real data against some benchmark like zipp 404s or 808s like he mentioned. Reminds me of how he laughed at brands saying in their websites their wheels are “10% faster” (which was outrageous for him) and proved that data was absolutely pointless. This video (apart from looking like sponsored) looks like that project from school you had to show on Monday and you remembered on Sunday afternoon and rushed to show something Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy his content very much. But that’s precisely why I don’t just go for the zipps in the first place. I wouldn’t buy them just cause zipp says so, and I wouldn’t get these farsports just cause hambini said it once

[@Hambini]

Dnv plot, balance data, vibe data, fits. Free stream recovery. Not enough data for you?

[@miguelsaez340]

@@Hambini like I said, compared to wheels that don’t get close to the benchmarks of their market. They are great products, I don’t argue about that. But if you can’t compare them usefully, their performance is isolated. Your audience may be 5% engineers, 1% bike manufacturers, and 94% cyclists who would thank useful data comparisons against what they know is on the peak of performance out there (HED, zipp, enve, Roval… and so on) and those terms you published are no way comparable nor useful for them. Engineers might be happy but even you know you are focusing today in time trialists. CdA, percentages or even watts at 30, 40, 45, 50kph (watts at certain speeds I do not agree with) are the data that convinces them. The same data you may have used yourself in the past. I hope I sent you a clear message. There is no intention of criticizing your work. I have another opinion on what I saw today.

[@oscarjohnstone7907]

⁠​⁠@@Hambini gotta say I agree with this guy. Usually a big fan of the analysis you do but this one seemed lacking. No mention of methodology or the setup tested. On the aerodynamics side in particular the data you have presented shows nothing really other than the disc being less stable and faster than normal rims which pretty much goes without saying at this point. Using free stream recovery data also is pretty rogue because this isn’t something people can compare to existing data for other wheel sets as far as I know. To go out and say time triallists should buy these wheels seems a bit much because you’ve not compared them to any other TT wheels. Really hoping it’s not bc you’ve sold out to farsports with the promise of making a video that makes the wheels look good via very selective inclusion or anything.

[@teufelhunden222]

How does rider weight effect the stability of the wheel? I am 265 lbs and I see almost no effect from cross winds.

[@jonahbert111]

Great! I want a pair for my folding bike which take 406 size. Where do I get a pair? 20" wheels are inherently more aero than 700c just because they are so much smaller right off the bat. Also, the solid back wheel would work fine every day because the area on a 20" wheel is so much less than those giant 700c that cross winds would hardly ever be a problem. And if I ever have a breakdown with my Zizzo, it will fold up and go in anyone's trunk, unlike your bikes. 20" BMX types would buy it, and there are loads of tires for the 406 size to choose from, like Schwab and Conti. So, where do I buy again? Oh edit, I have to add, the smaller wheel is so much stronger and stable than a 700c, they pretty much never go out of perfect true. yep.

[@farrier53]

Get racing wheelchair disc wheels...

[@LommeRTz]

Is the tri spoke UCI legal for TT races?

[@pmckeown38]

Makes me want to ride a time trial 😂

[@jimbo9030]

Thanks for confirming what we all have known since 1988. But hey I guess there is a paid promotion to honor 😂

[@steve-bs3qp]

So wat are the best tyres to use with these wonder wheels ?

[@MrPilberg]

If there was a track version of these wheels, how much of an aerodynamic advantage is not having a cassette and derailer? Or as it’s in dirty air from the pedalling motion does it not factor at all? Cheers dude

[@mikekelly1771]

I just want to know. Do you need a bearing puller for servicing, or will a drift and hammer be ok? Should we ask Reg?

[@Hambini]

He's going to get completely rifted

[@rndmkiwiguy]

The tri-spoke front looks like a no-brainer for speed gains. I’ve got a Yoeleo disc rear (rim brake) so the expensive question is will there be significant or marginal gains swapping that out with the Farsports disc?

[@the318pop]

Marginal.

[@johnnyboy4711]

cannot find them on farsports site,especially trispoke

[@Hambini]

link in description

[@JanneRasanen2]

Instability is given in disc wheels, but are there less instable discs than others and where do Farsport discs lie in this spectrum?

[@amankarwa1305]

Maybe this is a stupid question, but won't this benefit apply to bike frames also? i.e. make the frame continuous rather than open...

[@sebastiaansiemensma]

Yes, but would you dare to ride a continuous frame during crosswind? The disc wheel and 80mm deep front wheel on my tt with 4bft crosswind is already like extremely terrifying to ride.

[@technomindof6878]

So when you reaming Reginald next?

[@alexaxel3653]

are this wheels tubeless ready?

[@rudysfarinas3613]

Why don’t people use tri spoke wheels for road bikes?

[@rellupnikserof]

What's more important, an aero front wheel or rear wheel?

[@huwsparky175303]

Front

[@matthennon5314]

rear

[@rellupnikserof]

@@matthennon5314 that's just blown my mind 🤣

[@matthennon5314]

@@rellupnikserof 🤣

[@michaelvrbanac6923]

Would you mind sharing the aerodynamic drag data? Are you saying that this wheelset is statistically faster than a Swissside 80 mm front and disc in back? Really find that hard to believe. Data? Don't be an advertisement.

[@EdMontego]

How did the People on the Streets reacted to the Wheels?

[@Hambini]

they thought it looked sick and made sure their pens were working

[@Paganiproductions84]

Can you ream a VanMoof

[@TheMoodyedge]

About time 👍🏻

[@paulschulman8131]

I have a locally made disc wheel that uses an aluminum honeycomb. Though it’s a track wheel. Gonna be fun 😊 Also how would this wheel compare to Shimano’s three spoke or even the go-to track wheel Mavic’s iO?

[@zzzwillzzz]

would a deeper front wheel be faster or is the depth not necessary due to the three spoke design eliminating most of the spokes and therefore drag and/or turbulence?

[@shankeong6753]

dumb question -> why is the wheel designed for such internal and external width? to pander to the wider is better crowd? won't a narrower profile width wise be faster?

[@74_Green]

RE: - Import taxes...China Insight have done a recent youtube video on Dodgy Chinese customs

[@miguelsaez340]

Shaped like a roval 321, of course it will be fast

[@chriscross5689]

Could you ask your hairdresser to shave your eyebrows as well? Might get a 0.004 drag coefficient advantage over non shaved eyes..😂

[@johnkasza2315]

Your boy Lewis has been doing a lot of whining lately about how fast Redbull is..maybe Mercedes can use these wheels to get up to speed??

[@greggsenne1268]

Absolutely no practical use for me, but interesting none the less.

[@outdoorvertical]

This is 2023, nobody is using rim brakes 😅

[@Tilemason1]

Dude you're like 53kg add lightweight Look superbike and a full discrear wheel. Your lucky you didn't do a G Thomas windblown Paris Nice crash.

[@infovidasupps8640]

habini50 doesn’t seem to work

[@2001lednar]

Where the F have you been?!?!?!

[@Hambini]

Banging hairdresser

[@_rakkim]

But are these wheels FAST???

[@joshuabuilds3051]

Change the channel to chinese wheel reviews instead of "an exploration into non round holes"

[@milo5507]

Manufactured by forced labour?

[@veganpotterthevegan]

Bike part manufacturing jobs are very good jobs in China.

[@LitheInLitotes]

What's missing from your channel is non-boutique wheels. I am a wheel builder and I am looking for affordable options and prefer spokes that can be repaired over carbon. My kit is set up to be able to repair them on the road--using my hand as the tensiometer in a pinch. The good and affordable hubs is a small list: DT Swiss, Shimano, White Industries and the even cheaper Bitex at Bike Hub store. No hub incorporates all the designs I want. Shimano has a good cup and cone bearing design. And one hub maker (forgot its name) has made one flange much wider to better balance NDS and DS spokes. Making the rim asymmetrical is another trick for this. Kin lin makes some very true and very affordable rims. I also like the H+ son archetype. Velocity rims are often out of true. The sapim CX ray is the obvious choice for spoke.

[@LitheInLitotes]

There's also some challenges with Disc since crossing patterns must be reversed for braking load at the hub. Front disc hubs also introduce issues with NDS and DS balance.