Sturdy - My god are the british submarines trash in comparison to the other nations.

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[@admiralrover74]

Historically, British Submarines are really good and better than most U Boats(Except for the Type XXI's), they have better hulls and have record for being way more Stealthier than other Submarines in other Countries(There's that cases of a British Sub Intentionally used its Tanks to collide to the U Boat which hinders its Stability), They also have reliable Torpedoes during WW2, unlike the US Mark 14 which is notorious for Malfunctioning and Circling back towards the ship or submarine(This actually happened on USS Tang), And the British Submarines have the best ASDIC or SONAR during that time and even today. Moreover WG just add them in a quick manner with awful ideas that makes the British Submarine Service Reputation somehow Bad which is rather Painful to see for Royal Navy Submarine Enthusiasts. WG Should add British DD Torps on British Submarines, Not just Homing alone, ore better if they remove the Homing of all Submarines in the Game.

[@AC-cg4be]

Able to stay underwater while the battery is depleted. Well done, WeeGee. Totally balansed class.

[@CatOfSchroedinger]

34:13 - "Ah, Salmon ! - I'm ready to eat you." The Dad jokes are strong in this one. 😊

[@StuartKoehl]

Some suggestions--not that Wargames will pay attention. 1. Slow down the submarines. The fastest World War II subs on the surface were the Japanese I-boats, some of which could manage 24 knots. U.S. fleet boats could do 21 knots if they were really scared. British, German and Italian subs never managed more than 17-19 knots on the surface. Submerged, maximum speed for non-streamlined boats should not exceed 9 knots. Type XXI Electroboot and Ball-class Guppies could manage 17 knots submerged. 2. Kill the active sonar and homing torpedoes. Active sonar was used only for ranging, and could never pass guidance commands to torpedoes. Most World War II torpedoes were either unguided straight-runners or pattern-runners. The homing torpedoes then in use, such as the German Zaunkoenig ("Wren") homing torpedoes and their Allied counterparts were defensive torpedoes intended for use against enemy escort ships, homing on their propeller noises. To avoid fratricide, they had to be launched at depths greater than 60 meters. 3. Submarines are powerful enough using straight running torpedoes fired in spreads. It is eminently possible to get into realistic torpedo ranges, given how poor ASW sensors are in WoW. In World War II, most torpedo attacks took place at ranges of 1500 meters or less, and very few took place at ranges over 4000 meters. These changes would balance the game and allow submarines to use something approaching real world tactics (Heavens forbid!), but it is worth considering.

[@deadhorse3389]

But in WW2 did they have video games?

[@StuartKoehl]

@@deadhorse3389 They had something better: the Attack Trainer. This was a mockup of a submarine conning tower, complete with periscope. On the floor above, there was a flat blue floor on which little models of different ships were pushed around by female sailors with croupier sticks. Prospective submarine commanders would have to pop up their periscope, make observations about the model ships they saw through the scope, then put down the scope and maneuver their make-believe sub into attack position. Excessive periscope exposure would be penalized by being "attacked" by escort ships and aircraft. While the scope was down, the positions of the ships would be changed to reflect the movements of the enemy ships and the submarine. When the scope went up again, the skipper would have to make more observations, then maneuver until he achieved an attack position within a couple of thousand yards of the enemy, at which point he would launch torpedoes, assess the success of his attack, and then evade the very angry escorts. The British still use something like this on their Prospective Commanding Officers Training Course, more commonly known by the name "Perisher", because of its high washout rate.

[@trenlass809]

Remember to not bring realism and historic facts into this arcade game :D that does not work together. Your proposed changes would kill the class completely since it would be super boring to play :D i stilk think if every sub would be like i56 that would be enough of a change

[@klmnts]

Reminds me of Z-31 gaming, and more recently Loyang gaming (with all the powercreep). Laughing with no damage.

[@TheRpf1977]

Wait till WG comes out with the I400 class Japanese subs it can surface and launch a 3 plane squad of torpedo float planes

[@aco319sig3]

*GASP* Wait, Trenlass and Flambass are back together again!!!!

[@micheljavert5923]

Dude says no streamsnipe [sic] just skill in chat as Flambass is trying to figure out how he knew where he was. Yeah, seems legit.

[@TallulahSoie]

Subs should sink when the battery runs out. Or take DoT to simulate using diesel and poisoning the crew until they surface.

[@AmishHitman73.Archive]

i can see your thinking and understand it, but this is about as arcade as you can get. its rather absurd to suggest such a thought. why not add crew concussion when firing the main guns on a BB as we all know there are men manning the AA guns........................................... please

[@MrJeffro56]

Great two games showing the submarine strategies. GG,

[@JasonJason210]

If they are trash why bother having them? I mean who's going to play them?

[@Talguy21]

One thing that's always bugged me about submarines as a gameplay update- all of the voiceovers and UI sound design are so thrown together. BB kill sound Obviously different VAs for any line about subs- (In the case of the UK, it really sounds like they hired an Indian guy to do it instead of even attempting to match the accent to the rest of the voiceover in any way that makes sense) It just really doesn't fit at all with any other part of the game. And that's even before getting into the game design!

[@deadhorse3389]

They need to nerf all the other subs to the levels of Brit subs

[@felbombling3199]

Hey gang, a couple of sub questions that I'd love an answer to... 1. Does a torp in the tubes acquire a ping signal, or must they be in the water to do so? 2. If the original target of a ping dam cons or otherwise gets sunk, can active torps benefit from another ping on a different target? Many thanks in advance. :)

[@yann9915]

I believe you can ping first then launch the torp and so long as the torps have the distance thry can turn to the new target. Haven't played in a while tho :D

[@TheShinySearcher]

Torps lock onto the first ping target, e.g. torp>ping, it will track that ping, same with ping>torp. But now a torp will 'remember' its ping, so torp>ping1 ping2>torp, your first torp will track ping 1, while your second and any subsequent torps will track ping 2. If either target uses their DCP, the torps will keep their heading but cannot switch to a different ping. The safe way to not mix up shots is always to ping then torp. But a good player will torp first, then ping to give as little time to react as possible

[@quirkyMakes]

should have chased that cv down

[@trenlass809]

Cant he is 8 knots faster then me...

[@038alpha]

i-56 is still the most fun and interesting sub by far

[@AmishHitman73.Archive]

on paper, i wasnt impressed, but i wont ignore what you say

[@trenlass809]

Yep i56 rules

[@thomasneal9291]

Most boring gameplay ever.

[@annuvynarawn392]

Same for the British CV's the Dive Bombers are weak and Attack Rockets mediocre and Torps reasonable. Only the premium Ark Royal is worth playing. Brit DD BB and Cruisers are great.

[@u_dinzclone0459]

Dont forget about malta. Its basically a RN enterprise

[@_aexos_5139]

The tech tree is really bad but Ark, Malta and Eagle are great.

[@luke_3_113]

I guess as streamers and CCs you need to be familiar with all classes, but I'm glad I don't have to play CVs or subs - not much fun to play, in my limited experience, and certainly toxic! Think I need a smoke and a drink before the second game :P Did that guy say in chat 'no stream snipers' immediately after your chat - i.e. 'I am stream sniping'?!

[@MrAlbutiu]

👌.

[@Billswiftgti]

-1 Αzuma

[@flyinghorseguy8433]

Stop playing subs that are toxic and significantly ruin this game.

[@zoix3n]

First 😀

[@FASTPISTOLDRAW]

War gamming is stupid for not making sub vs sub battles or subs and DD battles, Submarines are total trash garbage .

[@AmishHitman73.Archive]

i agree, complete trash