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[@heyfeddde]

Queen of releasing videos after winning and performing at the Grammys

[@soaribb32]

I didn't even know that

[@aussiefirestorm]

Must have known Greta Van Fleet was going to get screwed! Best rock song WTF???

[@Angry20Something]

@@aussiefirestorm I'm a St Vincent fan, and I'd have to agree with you there. Maybe this could have fit into the Alternative or Pop categories.

[@MrUndersolo]

Vega Prototype He was a fan. Saw her on tour and said she was one of the best working musicians today.

[@cas-ke8nj]

dua and st. vincent are so gay for each other

[@kyunii6916]

Finaly some christian music I can hear around my parents

[@coreygriffith]

Jesus

[@thelumiart.]

Christ

[@BeauregardHall]

Mas

[@kitemonkey]

#nailedit

[@daviddaniels8]

oh its that kindnof mass, hide the alter boys!

[@dsch0]

This song is self-referential because once you start listening to it, you can't turn off what turns you on

[@GaryMillyz]

didn't even know of St. Vincent before tonight, but that was one hell of a freakin performance. sick version of that song.

[@augopen]

G Sam Dua lipas fans are crossing over

[@fabiofuoco]

Digroot and that’s great! St. Vincent is still so underrated imo so I’m glad they did that iconic performance

[@ericasuzannedavis]

Same!

[@augopen]

G Sam welcome to the cult

[@josea.8456]

You should listen Fast Slow Disco. You won't regret it

[@Peringon]

So, the song is not so much about having sex, but the way in which we find mass media almost erotic in the ways it entices us through violence and misinformation... Mrs. Clark, I take my hat off to you

[@quinnlewis2003]

Producer: How weird? St.vincent: Yes

[@veganjotaro]

You really think this is weird FOR REAL, excuse me laughing out loud ...HA HA HA HA!!!

[@shadowclips2541]

Crazy=Genius Brendon taught us

[@hexius_]

Shadow no one asked

[@shadowclips2541]

@@hexius_ Nice =D

[@nsr5961]

SquidInA FruitBowl she was promoting 5g way before it was thought of. The effects of radiation on this one show with the dancers. I guess she was ahead of it.

[@ackertara]

My poor gay heart couldn't handle the chemistry with Dua Lipa tonight on the Grammy's. Fantastic performance!

[@joshpezzner5929]

ackertara ya know all I could think of was prince and Sheila e lol being 41 I've heard some interesting music together lol and the chemistry was hott between the both of them

[@abeltesfaye_]

Same!!

[@jayybirdberg6545]

Yuck. Whatever. This has no business getting a Rock grammy. This isn't rock.

[@abeltesfaye_]

@@jayybirdberg6545 Well that's your opinion... even though it's wrong ;)

[@Havaseet2]

My straight white male heart could care less

[@gastontrivino6062]

St Vincent and Dua killed it last night, so proud

[@karela925]

Black saint, sinner lady Playin' knockoff soul A punk rock romantic Slumped on the kitchen floor Nuns in stress position Smokin' Marlboros Lolita is weeping The bride is beautiful (Masseduction) I can't turn off what turns me on (Masseduction) I can't turn off what turns me on (Masseduction) I hold you like a weapon (Mass destruction) I don't turn off what turns me on (Masseduction) I can't turn off what turns me on (Masseduction) I can't turn off what turns me on (Masseduction) I hold you like a weapon (Mass destruction) I don't turn off what turns me on Smilin' nihilist met Angry glass half full Drinkin' Manic Panic Singin' Boatman's Call Teenage, Christian virgins Holdin' out their tongues Paranoid secretions Fallin' on basement rugs I can't turn off what turns me on (Masseduction) I can't turn off what turns me on (Masseduction) I hold you like a weapon (Mass destruction) I don't turn off what turns me on (Masseduction) I can't turn off what turns me on (Masseduction) I can't turn off what turns me on (Masseduction) I hold you like a weapon (Mass destruction) I don't turn off what turns me on Oh, what a bore to be so adored Oh, what a bore to be so adored I can't turn off what turns me on (Masseduction) I can't turn off what turns me on (Masseduction) I hold you like a weapon (Mass destruction) I don't turn off what turns me on

[@Snowy265]

"I can't turn off, what turns me on" Fucken love that line

[@shalitababy5068]

Is it legal to snap this hard? Giving the gays everything they need since 2006

[@samipratt1279]

2003

[@shalitababy5068]

@Aierek relatable

[@SkyscraperM]

Aierek oh bitch please fuck off

[@tatiana2696]

@@SkyscraperM she's actually right. Even if those are just *gay jokes*

[@mike8055]

I really like the sound of this song. It's a combination of everything and makes me want to move.

[@ratatouisvuitton864]

St. Vincent puts me in a place that I wouldn't have been able to comprehend, but want to be forever.

[@konark59]

This is the direction 2010's should have taken musically.....but didn't.

[@tommoconstantly]

Konark agreed

[@hamptoonythecat2171]

I see hope for the 2020s though

[@lsd8699]

2020s got your back

[@victoriar.5616]

this is just as weird as i expected A+

[@diodelrio]

QUEEN OF ASSDESTRUCTION

[@estebanrodriguez1456]

AJAJAJAJAJAJAJA

[@puremadness]

I remember seeing this song performed at the Paramount lot in LA and people screamed at the first ‘MASSEDUCTION’, it was so good, and it’s nice to see this song/album come full circle

[@ReginoGeorge]

PureMadness omg i was there too that shit was iconic

[@jeb.2x]

The first few seconds look like they're trying to hold their pee by dancing

[@phira360]

They aren't?

[@Detachedny]

Who are we to judge their pee holding fetishes?

[@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494]

once you've given birth, that's ALL your dancing consists of lol ps: I've given birth twice

[@eldesconocido5734]

I am glad she's finally getting the recognition she deserves ❤❤

[@gabbycustodia1706]

H E L L O ITS THE MIDDLE OF THE GRAMMYS???

[@gabbycustodia1706]

@Ryan Smith picture this: Its the 61st Grammy Award Show and St. Vincent and Dua Lipa are doing a duet, then all of a sudden you get a notification saying that the music video for Masseduction has just been released. That is essentially what this is

[@robertseitzberg]

"Mama always told me not to look into the eyes of the sun But mama, that's where the fun is" - Blinded by the light

[@westernless97]

Robert Seitzberg III couldn’t agree more

[@mvhfxdaus5337]

I love the combination of Dua Lipa "One Kiss" and St Vincent "Masseduction" in 61th grammy really perfect sound and music

[@johns8412]

Why?

[@lyricsavage3582]

Sixty-firth

[@kittiewoodheath4140]

@@lyricsavage3582 ☠🤣

[@Ash_W04]

@@lyricsavage3582 The worst part is that the comment is edited but that part wasn’t fixed. 😭

[@ethanmartin4274]

RELEASE THE REMIX WITH DUA ANNIE !!

[@kaydentorres1112]

is this the end of the "masseduction" era?:(

[@arturoc.tierrablanca7451]

I hope bc i cant wait for new music

[@CristianRuizuwu]

Asies

[@brianspringman1237]

Bring back OG Annie!

[@joeagger]

ugh I was hoping legendary glam rock anthem Young Lover was gonna get a video :'( glad this one did tho

[@princeoffriendship]

I think towards the end of the song Annie gives an answer to your question 😀

[@MrUndersolo]

Amazed how her work has evolved over the years. Saw her on the “Actor” tour and actually got to speak to her after the show... She deserves the success and a heaping spoonful of Dua Lipa!

[@gearandalthefirst7027]

Muse: *releases a synthwave album* Muse fans: welp guess they're synthwave now St. Vincent: *literally still rock* Everyone: wHaT iS ThIs tHiS iSnT rOcK

[@luc123abc]

GearandaltheFirst what about muse AND st vincent fans? Hahahaahahahahah

[@shadowinthenight26]

Muse sucks now so much seriously

[@gianlu9677]

This didn't deserve best rock song of 2019

[@zefyr5135]

@@shadowinthenight26 Muse's music has always been great, if you cannot appreciate it, at least don't insult it.

[@aayb3387]

Wtf are you talking about? Have you even listened to Muse’s latest album? It is waaaaaay more rock than this (no hate towards st vincent though)

[@pearl9731]

shush no one cares what kind of rock it is it’s a great song period

[@roymantic1833]

period

[@rramdohr7548]

It's giving strong Prince energy. I love it.

[@emilomatosis]

Annie Clark predicted Barbenheimer

[@tomorrocat]

You are so right, ha ha!

[@Andysince1991]

I'm not even going to lie, I found her from when Kid Cudi sampled "The Strangers" and fell in love with her ever since.

[@OhhNoJuno]

This album deserves whatever recognition it gets! While it may not be traditional “rock”, there’s nothing like it in the industry right now. In other words: This is a bOp

[@matteverdeentwd4966]

Rock has a lot of forms. Not only hard rock or metal, seems like a lot of people don't know that.

[@OhhNoJuno]

Matt Everdeen TWD I totally agree! Although I do think that St.Vincent should’ve won in an “alternative music” category more than a “rock” category...; but it’s still a great song nonetheless!

[@davidobrien2739]

@@OhhNoJuno The song certainly isn't mainstream, but it totally rocks! As does Annie!

[@amaraeddins3300]

Matt Everdeen TWD truth. And it’s embarrassing. People are just made that their favorite artists didn’t win.

[@fateisnotthesameforall4811]

TBH, it's barely rock. Its heavily influenced by electronic music. Yeah sure, there's a guitar sound (IDK if it's a sample) but it's not doing anything amazing like you'd expect in a rock song. I'm not knocking this song or the artist, I blame the people who run the Grammy's if anything.

[@tomgwerzman3644]

I'm just going to stay in bed and watch it over and over until the sunrise

[@dylan-si1nd]

u were so good with dua we stan

[@kiddynamite3984]

So were skipping the 20s and going straight to the 80s this century

[@ibelieveicansoar]

Yes, especially for anyone who has seen the “Cooling The Medium” video by M+M (Martha & The Muffins) from 1984

[@osrel15]

Todos buscando St. Vincent luego del erótico perfomance con Dua Lipa

[@forvases]

No xdd la conozco hace muchísimo

[@Juancarlos-yz3uu]

Hace años que la conozco...

[@sorylizcolon2197]

Molesta un poco porque pasa con muchos artistas. A ella no la suenan en el radio, yo llevo 5 años escuchando su música y cada vez que le menciono a alguien, me dicen 'uy que rara su música' y luego son los mismos en quemar la música de tanto ponerla.

[@forvases]

@@sorylizcolon2197 Me pasa lo mismo con Billie Eilish

[@forvases]

@@sorylizcolon2197 La conozco y sigo hace aproximadamente 2 años, y antes todos me decían que no tenía talento, y ahora que es famosa resulta que esas mismas personas la aman

[@revistabomba]

Not sure what the hypnosis is for but *she snapped* Btw amazing performance at the Grammys, can't wait to see more people checking out her music after that

[@rr7firefly]

It was ten years ago when Annie Clark was that fresh-faced newcomer entrancing the world with her breakout song "Marrow" from her 2009 album Actor.

[@jessh3627]

thank u queen u did amazing at the grammys

[@scotbearden5772]

Funny the people still hating on her, please present your Grammys. There's that.

[@EdenSinger]

St Vincent singing the chorus of Masseduction into the mic is more sex than I’ll have in my lifetime. 😳🔥

[@Charmnews]

Loved these visuals on tour, so I'm glad we finally get them on KZbin!

[@user-Borgus]

She handles a guitar with more talent than most boys nowadays. Awesome hat!

[@MarianVanca]

Grammy Awards didn't know how to give this song a prize because it didn't have a chance in the pop category in front of more commercial acts, so they had to give an award for pop music in 'Best Rock Song' category as well.

[@bigbadwolfflurryface3246]

Pop rocks are tasty

[@bigbadwolfflurryface3246]

why complain?

[@markshykh3910]

Why this is the best rock song?Can someone tell me???(I don't say it's bad,but,seriously?)

[@threedeemelodies]

because it’s a rock song and it won the grammy?

[@parocks]

Because Rock is a lot more than the rock station that really rocks. St Vincent has won Best Alternative Album before. Alternative is a subset of Rock. I like St Vincent, have for about a decade, she's a top favorite. NARAS, rightly, likes her too.

[@shadowinthenight26]

because someone need to listen more art rock to understand why this win that category.

[@everydayLMK]

This song deserved a better video

[@chrisschoenfeld4414]

EVERY song deserves a better video. This video could have been epic. What was her record company thinking not having a kickass video to accompany one of their fastest emerging artists performing at the Grammys?

[@circolombisque2285]

This is more of a visual than a video

[@natoshisakamoto7183]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnuum3VuhpZ-f8U

[@joellebrodeur1015]

Agreed. Her other videos were better. Themes were subtle, yet powerful in their own way. "Marrow" and "Cheerleader" are great examples.

[@MariahSTDJ]

@@joellebrodeur1015 cruel as well

[@nahiaratalquenca]

Without a doubt this is the best song in the world.

[@Cateastrophe]

I got this notification in the middle of watching y’all on the GRAMMYs

[@MedSou]

*Dear stranger whoever reads this:* . . 👇 *Hope you and your family are safe and well* 💙💙

[@_b_e_a_n_s_]

who cares about the genre, this song is a bop

[@riccardomusiu510]

Genius!!! 👏👏👏👍👍👍😊❤❤❤❤❤ I love St Vincent! 🎸❤ Greetings from Italy 🇮🇹

[@lucasverth]

It's really funny see grown man came here comment shit about the grammy

[@hurrrmmhmmmhmghh8912]

It’s 6 am, I haven’t slept, and this is exactly what I needed.

[@andreasgerber1117]

You've earned so much the Grammy for Masseduction. Annie, do not listen to what the others are talking about, they do not know that you are the best singer and of course the best guitar player.

[@ren1676]

Andreas Gerber so true !

[@jayybirdberg6545]

Best guitar player? Thats funny. Ha

[@damjanperme9674]

Oh, I see...my rock was wrong all these years. Thank you, grammy, for showing me how blinded I was.

[@marielreyesh]

talented. briliant. incredible. amazing. showstopping. spectacular.

[@drazenkrasnic5851]

What to say;I discover Annie before few days and since then,can’t stop listening this album,official album and live performances…❤️Bravo and greetings from Zagreb-Croatia!

[@rhodajohnson3479]

wow...I liked her Grammy performance with dua.....and I love this ...this is the bomb.....love love love it......

[@BrianDePalmaII]

St.Vincent's win was the only Grammy win that I was satisfied with personally

[@retardedvaxxedliberal]

Strangely, this reminds me of Nine Inch Nails.

[@febririyan7776]

Cz its industrial

[@kaly_ths_291]

yep me and my friend thought similarly just a while ago

[@pocketsand274]

Yess exactly I'm so surprised to see this comment thought I'd be the only one

[@seanquigley5649]

Congratulations St. Vincent!!! Keep on Rockin

[@melxoxo411]

Put it on 0,75... You won't regret it

[@josecxrnxlx]

omg with some different production it could easily be a trap song lol

[@cabreradiazluis615]

The aesthetic in this video is so great! Specially seeing Annie doing the chores, ugh her mind

[@danteiannetta4658]

Lol should've expected to see a bunch of narrow minded people in these comments butthurt because this doesn't sound rock enough to them. Wake the fuck up it's the Grammys, what did you expect? Barely anyone wins for what they should actually win for. And even Annie (aka St. Vincent, for people not in the know) has said before how rock music and even metal has influenced her from an early age and is why she picked up a guitar. So without that we wouldn't have this song. This is how music evolves people.

[@StratoReinXeed]

So you consider this hybrid piece of crap the "evolution" of rock? Or music, generally speaking? Not even innovative, just more of what every single "avant garde" and "alternative" artists have been doing for a bunch of time now. Tipical Billboard material, background monotone sound people nowadays plays on Spotify while attending other stuff. Music appreciation is nearly lost at the present, it's the opposite of evolution. And following the same logic, Despacito should also be considered evolution. Just fuck that

[@danteiannetta4658]

@@StratoReinXeed let's just be happy we live in a world with so much musical diversity that I can listen to what I like and so can you ✌️

[@xxbyron13xx]

How does rock evolve when its core aspects are ripped away... THIS IS POP DUMBASS LMFAOOO

[@enzocpassoni3697]

@@xxbyron13xx so David Bowie didn't do rock music?

[@xxbyron13xx]

@@enzocpassoni3697 he did multiple genres... Whats your point...?? If he would have made this song here it wouldnt change my view... clearly pop...

[@stopstaringatmewtf7651]

The make-up on Annie makes her looks like a CGI model from an incomplete Netherrealm game, which gives me Uncanny Valley vibes. Great performance at the Grammy's, Annie and amazing music video (as always)

[@gutentaco]

Great as always, it gave me chills. Keep it up Annie, you are an amazing artist and a huge inspiration for all creators. I love you so much.

[@eccentriczombie5416]

Wow, haven’t been so content with an artist since the last time i played a Garbage album. I’m a St Vincent junkie, totally hooked...⚓️.

[@itsme_roui]

Queen of the universe 🌌💕

[@Thebhukkadnation]

This song deserves more likes 🥺🥺

[@PaulHolod]

Best ROCK song? You're out of your mind!

[@AlyssumIvy]

this was in my suggested videos and i'm so glad i clicked i've never heard of her until now and wow i've been missing out????????

[@alienden8801]

I still haven't found my wig to this day.

[@newhorizonsforfifty2833]

It's been a long time since I've been this curious about an artist.

[@walterramirezt]

Long live the Queen!

[@patriciagiedraitis4166]

You ROCK! Love you Annie! Congratulations!

[@eme5924]

When the music slowly ends with Smoking Section,, 😍

[@linstantnoodles5687]

Absolutely genius I love you Annie Clark

[@GagaBoy1346]

THE ENDING.... SHE INCORPORATED SMOKING SECTION!!!! WHAT A QUEEN

[@niclass7429]

Love you so much. You are the treasure people should find to be more human

[@caesaresteban]

¡Reina, te amo! can't wait to see you in Bogotá, Colombia.

[@myssangela4872]

This definetely reminds me of Muse's new album, lmao, I'm not saying anything bad tho, it's just kinda blowing my mind, it's a bop

[@TOMMIWORLDWIDE]

I just love this song it represent perfectly how I feel mentally 😌 she never deceive

[@dbnyespnz4648]

La acabo de conocer y sus canciones son hermosas tiene mucho talento.✨

[@alexwilde3227]

Well deserved winning. Congratzzz Annie!!!

[@Sajtbaba]

Maybe she just wrote the album of the decade.

[@aminebouabid5542]

I discovered St. Vincent in March 2020 when the Pandemia was at its peak, she literally saved my life 🥲🥲🥲🥲

[@sleepdrifting]

i'm sO GAY FOR YOU

[@marthameza9491]

Me ToO

[@throwsmchanzoatyou]

yes

[@Elena-er7zp]

why can’t you just say you like her? jeez

[@no-wf7bl]

@@Elena-er7zp because that’s boring 🙄

[@cowboygeorgy]

I would like to thank Anne very much for such an artistic expressions of herself. I m very inspired by her and I can hear a lot of Hendrix in there too. Nice chemistry.

[@dsun7293]

is this rock nowadays? if i have a time machine ill go back to 90'

[@MrMrdlegend]

I’ll join you. This isn’t Rock

[@starwart2000]

In the 90s, they had Nine Inch Nails, which more or less sounds like this

[@ren1676]

Ngakan Made Surya Jumatang wow congratulations you are so cool and edgy !

[@PROUST_EFFECT]

Then go back to the 90s, cuz this is rock

[@diamoond11]

Edgy

[@mr.mealldaylong8013]

MASSeduction...a BRILLIANT TITLE for a song...🔥

[@Affordablebath_remodel]

does not belong in Best Rock Song category. good pop song.

[@PROUST_EFFECT]

Rock isnt only Hard or Metal you know, this for example is art rock.

[@forvases]

383838 times better that jumpsuit and u can't change my mind

[@ericktupatron5392]

haha NO

[@forvases]

@Yøhan Filerzøne yAs

[@crankedbaconjumps1786]

There are so many things wrong with this comment

[@ryleephillips6959]

I’m only mad that this won “Best Rock Song” but it dead ass sounds like a pop song. don’t @ me bc you know it’s true. and don’t try telling me that “Rock has many different forms”, bc tis song is just straight up pop or alternative, and let alone very synthesized

[@starwart2000]

Rylee Phillips I mean, you hear the loud electric guitar, right?

[@pavelloginov3350]

I mean chocolate chips dont make the cake itself chocolate right?

[@LookAtTheBacon]

I agree completely. Not really a Rock song at all.

[@starwart2000]

Pavel Loginov no, but it’s one of many ways to use chocolate in a cake if one were competing for “best cake with chocolate.” If a chocolate chip cake tastes better than some shitty cake with chocolate frosting, then that’s worth noting.

[@Nimousky]

Alternative is a sub genre of Rock. A simple google search would've taught you that.

[@princeoffriendship]

Queen of releasing a video of her previous album when she already has released a video from her new one!

[@toumak.9011]

I fail to see how this can be classified as 'Rock', compared to the others nominated in the Grammy category...

[@bagel3707]

Touma K. rock has 3 points, soft, metal, and this would be coined as Pop-Rock. I bet you forget that music branches off into different categories inside the genres

[@toumak.9011]

No, didn't forget, it's just that I've never heard it on many of the streaming channels which are classified as Rock, if anything, it's pop and rap mixed, but not rock. It's more like Lady Gaga, who is much better, but I don't see LG nominated for any rock.

[@jbirner835]

@@toumak.9011 uhhh rap? lol

[@jbirner835]

@@bagel3707 rt

[@Lisa-Marie-xt5qq]

Two time Grammy award winning. That outro > better than most albums.

[@penelopevega878]

this does not deserve a grammy smh

[@nopenope1454]

This song is not bad, but nobody listens to this song and classifies it as rock. Nobody.

[@parocks]

Rock is a big category. A top category. Different types of rock. Alternative and AAA are rock formats. And St Vincent gets played, some, on those formats. All the people who are complaining about this not being rock are people that really only understand rock in the context of the rock station that really rocks that they listen to. Active/Mainstream rock charts on Billboard. Listeners to that format are extremely picky about what is and what is not rock. I used to listen to the radio and I used to listen to that format, and when I was young, I, too, would complain when the radio station of that format would play what was not rock. The difference is, what the rock station that really rocks plays is really just a narrow sliver of rock. MD/PDs and their bosses are extremely fixed on what constitutes rock, and they're fixed in large part because they are probably right when they say they know their audience, and their audience really likely only what they've heard before. It makes the process of hit making pretty easy for ative rock bands, but it makes it difficult for active rock bands to get radio play outside of active rock. There are a lot of fans of active rock, and these days there are a lot of popular active rock festivals for people to go to. St Vincent has always been rock. Most would put her squarely in the indie rock camp. This latest album is a lot more electronic, but listen to the guitars. They're there. Indie Rock, AAA, Alternative are all rock, but they're just not active rock that you think is the only type of rock there is. Here's a name. Phish. They're playing back to back shows at Fenway Park. They're a Jam Band. And Jam Bands are rock. Just to illustrate that rock is a much bigger category than active rock radio listeners think it is.

[@nopenope1454]

@@parocks I can't disagree with your statement about st Vincent always being rock because I've never heard of them before. I know phish is a jam band and is considered rock, though I'm not sure what that had to do with anything lol. And I'm not "complaining" as I said: it's not a bad song. Ever heard of Garbage? They are one of my favorite rock bands, very unconventional rock, and this song reminds more of that kind of styled music than any other rock. So I gave it a second listen and still can't consider it rock. The song that is; not st Vincent. Im not an active radio rock listener so don't think that please lol. I probably like rock that gets radioplay these days even less than I do the pop that gets radioplay. I like both good rock, good pop, good music of any genre, and even more so the music that is hard to classify into a specific genre. This song is none of those things. It's mediocre "indie" art pop. Not hard to classify at all, and the word "rock" isn't there. I defy you to show anyone this song and ask them to classify it's genre and have them respond to you that it's "rock" without you trying to influence their response. The only way that I could imagine that happening is if you ask some poor uneducated bastard that only listens to rap type music and considers any music that isn't rap related as rock.

[@anneother6224]

@@nopenope1454 A superficial understanding. St Vincent is hard to genre because she is really very original. To say Indie art pop is to say nothing. Clearly this is not all-sounds-the-same genre-blending pop nor is it all sounds the same rock for rock's sake. It belongs in the longer tradition of pop and rock music. She mentions Steely Dan, Jethro Tull, Metalica as influences. You cannot actually hear any of that directly. She takes all of it and creates her own music. It isn't inaccessible but it takes some time to get familiar enough to really appreciate. You mention Garbage. As in they are better. I don't know. I put a comment on the Paranoid video in which I note the homage to The Doors Hello I Love You. So Garbage operated in that bigger tradition too. For me St Vincent is right up with the greats. And Masseduction is a rock song. Of sorts.

[@parocks]

@@anneother6224 I agree with most of that. St Vincent is up there with the greats. I wouldn't put her in a top category that doesn't include the word rock though. This particular album is the closest to pop. But the rest of the albums are rock. Rock is a very broad category. Basically, it seems that it's rock if it contains real instruments, especially electric guitar, and it doesn't clearly fit in those other categories. St Vincent is indie rock, and indie rock is a very broad category. It doesn't describe much, but that's where she is, or certainly was. I should try to find that somewhat old collection of Annie shredding. She's sort of like Muse, in that songs that people might know the most are not really representative of the entire output and of the show. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4nXiIyrotGDlbs

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@@parocks I hadn't read your original reply. But I have now and I'm glad I did. An informed and well reasoned report from rock fan world. I got bored with this rock that really rocks (is that active rock?) almost as soon as it got started. So, Black Sabbath and early Led Zep then. But I don't hate it and when a great song is a rock song then I am going to love it. I'm not sure I buy your definition of what rock is though. In fact I have what may be an original idea regarding genre which fits closely to your "the audience only really like what they've heard before". So it goes like this. If it sounds like rock, it is rock. And that explains the debate. Someone like me who sees rock in a large context accepts much more stuff as rock while your rock radio listener is a pretty fine tuned animal. "As a lark" I rated the grammy nom songs for rockness. I got Black Smoke Rising and Rats as 100%, Mantra at 80%, Jumpsuit 75%, Masseduction at 60%. I'd be interested in your perspective. On St Vincent. I only see some of her stuff as rock. What do you call the songs as manifested on Masseducation if you have listened to it? And on Masseduction itself, maybe only 5 songs have a significant rock element in the treatment. I was just about to talk about ballads. But then I thought that was all wrong. What is left after you abstract the rock can't all be labelled as pop or ballads. Champagne Year for example. You might as well call it a secular hymn. Maybe Chamber Pop is a useful label for some of the first two albums but that's gone with the band change. Maybe there is more of a Rock/Synthpop ballad split after that.

[@rockbandbro]

How did this win Best ROCK song over Rats, Mantra, and Black Smoke Rising?

[@bigbadwolfflurryface3246]

Did you see her performance with dua? It's the best performance on the grammys

[@karencanfieldmaskens3073]

There are no words for how great this is!!

[@alamuro]

Iconic ! She won And released a Video Proving why She won•○•!!!