Su-57 Felon Vs F-16C Viper DOGFIGHT | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

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[@Gabriel_McMillan]

Good match! Thank you. For some future match, I'd like to see you in a SU-35 vs an F-35 in BVR, ideally both with AWACS and datalink. I'd suggest trying to mostly use passive sensors, when possible. The SU-35 should have at least 2x of the R-37Ms. Maybe more would be better, especially if you can get him on datalink? Perhaps this could take place over mountains, like those of Taiwan or Fujian, as the PLA has 24 of these too.

[@kuhnville3145]

you did a great job jinking through this fight, that last round was like the Matrix

[@Lee-sti8wrx]

That's funny dude, you saying modern fighters aren't designed for gun fighting, and he wastes you in the first 2 rounds with guns, and then on the last. That dude can fly, find out who he is, and do more videos with him. Love watching how you learn from your fights and pull back to basics, if you can call it that or obviously just knowing your jet and your opponents. Think you should do the same for your opponents in your videos where if you are 3 for 2, give them a chance to learn how to kill you, if they can. Because 3 for 2 is closer to a draw than you just winning by 2 or more kills. Hope that makes sense. This fight was different because he dominated most of it, but for future videos, it would be great to see you do that. It's funny seeing him take bits of your jet off in that last round. Nice view of him taking those pieces off bit by bit. Great video man. Awesome choice to play those 2 fighters against each other, and seriously, find this dude and do more videos with them. He is looks like promising competition to fight against, not saying that everyone you have ever taken on is useless because they aren't. See if he can use multiple fighters like yourself. Anyway, sick video man. Keep them coming and use an F-35 against the SU-57 in BVR. Just curious why you won't fly an F-35? Do they not have the cockpit details yet where you can look through you fighter? Or is there another reason? Curious...........

[@phintycoon]

As always, nice video on the dog fights. A pleasure to watch.

[@Sugar_K]

lols next time you know your beat just sling a fox 2 at him

[@crookedwookie8782]

It's amazing to me how fast the F16 seems to go from "ahh, I'm too slow, I'm in trouble here" to "ahhh I'm way too fast, I'm in trouble here" in the span of two seconds.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Agreed, she’s a hard aircraft to control for the speed alone. I always find myself struggling with that exact thing if I haven’t been in the f16 for a while.

[@Nebby_Webby]

​@@GrowlingSidewinderI'm always too slow even with full A/B

[@JesusFriedChrist]

Energy management is key.

[@crookedwookie8782]

Mach 1 to "get out and push" in a hurry. 😅

[@DKC196]

I mean, the F-16 is basically a missile with a cockpit strapped onto it. So fast.

[@sebastiantheseal4465]

Damn the way he was just straight up floating mid-air in the SU57 lining up a shot, crazy...

[@JAEUFM]

Makes me wonder if the Russians have developed anti gravity tech for the SU-57.

[@Ilamarea]

@@JAEUFM The modder that just added that in to give something coming remotely close to a challenge for a raptor. x)

[@dieseldog5779]

​@@Ilamareait has a large high lift body so it's able to float like a kite under low speed

[@samanders2676]

Like a man of culture once said here, "You just can't beat something that has a 'teleport to its six' button".

[@retardmoguss]

f22 and su57 casually teleporting behind everything@@samanders2676

[@PrimarchX]

Whoever is flying that Felon is skilled in its use! That aerial flip during the first fight was amazing. His nose authority made him tough to get close to without risking a sudden nose over shot.

[@TheBillyBlack]

I think it was Vlad sans shirt.

[@minhsangnguyen-se3cs]

And he didn't care about showing his plane abilities with unnecessary move.

[@user-sg8eh4qj4c]

7:06 cool to see the SU-57 vectoring engines working here. Very hard for F-16 stand a chance with SU-57.

[@bblvrable]

The Su-57 reminds me of early generation combat flight sims, where things like airspeed vectors, lift, and drag weren't taken into consideration, you just pointed the nose of your plane wherever you wanted the plane to go, or wherever you wanted to shoot.

[@airaction6423]

Im sure the su57 designers had those sims in mind

[@ericlane3256]

I was just searching for your older videos on F-16 vs Su-57. Awesome to see these two warbirds go at it again.

[@vaclavkolar6750]

4:24 until last second i would've sworn he was flying opposite direction 😆

[@Le_Petit_Lapin]

The sheer visibility in that F16 cockpit is amazing compared to some of the other planes you've done these dogfight videos in.

[@johns1625]

And the helmet mounted targeting display 😍😍

[@MiG-31893]

9:19 I love the sound the Felon makes as it plummets towards the earth. Sounds like it’s screaming

[@ravenheartwraith]

just got into DCS with f-16 module , and have been watching all 10+ f-16 videos you've made in the past 3 years. watching intently for tips as always. What you say about the f-16 is very different then the talk I see on various forums, lots of complaints about the f-16 on a variety of fronts (radar seems the biggest offender).

[@Averagecartilistener]

They are correct about the radar. It isn’t the best, but it is good at BVR. One other thing is the amount of missiles it carries too.

[@mystic0maggot401]

Radar may not be as great as some others, but at the end of the day all it takes is your own ability to come out on top as GS has proven many times. Lol

[@JesusFriedChrist]

There’s a new version of the F-16 that will be coming out soon that will have better performance, better radar, better avionics. Everything updated. Even the body shape will be different. Less sleek and beautiful than the classic body, but we’ll see how much better the engine is.

[@ravenheartwraith]

@@JesusFriedChrist what group is making it?

[@toastytoast1890]

I just got into the F16 too, and I’ve been having a lot of good luck with the radar. Are you adjusting the antenna? That’s the biggest hurdle I’ve had to figure out

[@whylie74]

This is a possibility in RL but I don't think the russian are willing to risk using them unless they're in dire, desperate need to do it.

[@subjectc7505]

​@@aarontheaviationaddict3643then they're using it as its intended purpose.

[@timothysysko]

Would love to see some F4 Phantom dogfights!

[@amybohne9711]

Love the f4 yes I would love to see that

[@MrEsPlace]

Dude, that shot you took at 2:35 was so beautiful. I cannot believe that missed! Heartbreaking.

[@StaK_1980]

that was not even close.

[@bukhariali71]

Felon against a warbird would be fun to watch.

[@williamsjm100]

Well if the SU57 can get away from the “heavy smokers” we might actually see this…

[@blshouse]

Not a chance, Russia won't risk any of their very few operational SU-57s for anything that isn't a direct threat to Moscow.

[@steve390gold]

And even then I think the su57 is wildly over modeled in DCS. Literally everything Russia claims is a total load of sh1t from the 1960s on.

[@JazzJaRa]

@@blshouse Well they could use them from within russia if they really wanted but same with the T-14 tanks, they will keep them somewhere hidden.

[@rajaydon1893]

​@@JazzJaRathe mig 31 is much more suited to that role so why would they use the felon

[@RuskFox]

Cope

[@ONIBetaV]

There's nothing I love more than seeing the F-16 in action.

[@1badjesus]

7:21 "he just blew my head off... that's cool"

[@stunitech]

A nice editing touch GS uses on his vids is the black KIA screen and total scilence. It just adds a bit more impact to things. Its a nice touch

[@fubaralakbar6800]

6:55 Okay, for a minute I thought he was shooting at the BOTTOM of your plane and still managed to drive a bullet into you. Now THAT would be a gun!

[@An0beseGiraffe]

Any chance we could see some more content with the JF-17, maybe some BVR or dogfights? Maybe even using the thrust vectoring easter egg

[@riddlex]

Second round kill by the Felon was fantastic! Took me by surprise, totally.

[@RockMountainYJ]

I wonder how difficult it would be from an engineering standpoint to convert the afterburner nozzle to a thrust vectoring nozzle and grant the F16 more maneuverability.

[@Viviana088]

Didn't they already do that with the F-16 Vista

[@mjc1389]

Would the airframe handle the possibility of more G’s?

[@iggy2677]

It's more than just changing the thrust control system. You would have to modify flight laws, likely reinforce structure, increase weight due to structure and modified exhaust, increased wing loading change much of the handling. All of this to say, it would not be a Viper any longer.

[@sety5591]

@@iggy2677 don't need to change airframe, just limit the AOA digitally.

[@iggy2677]

@@sety5591 yes, you actually do. You would be inducing loads in a direction the nozzle support structure is not designed to support. It would have to support thrusts that are not inline with the airframe, and that's the bare minimum of change needed.

[@simenbo797]

Looking at that Felon flickering and dancing...its like a deadly ballet

[@0neBadRabbit]

The best parts about having to go out of town for work, is the extra pay, and knowing I've got multiple new GS videos to watch when I get back home 😊

[@glamdring0007]

7:07 the thrust vector on that Felon...

[@abd733.k]

"I think we're dead!" Got me cracking 😂

[@tallbadger]

Okay, now you have to do the BVR fight.

[@chadnedohin]

It would be over in seconds. Not even a question.

[@aidanohalloran8649]

Lovin the dogfights man ❤, would love to see you in a Eurofighter taking on an F-16 in a rematch dogfight 🙌

[@aidanohalloran8649]

@jacobbaumgardner3406 I think Olex should pilot, remeber how he was slinging the Eurofighter around against GS in the F-22? That insane 2nd round kill too

[@JazzJaRa]

Whenever there was a Eurofighter fight the Pilot wasn't very skilled and it lost against pretty much everything xD

[@aidanohalloran8649]

But I think GS should fly the Eurofighter for this and put someone else in the F-16

[@raihanmahmood8096]

Good idea

[@jmattson98]

Felon is like a lethal leaf in the wind.

[@tejasviroyal8977]

That Su-57 was straight up levitating, like Kendrick in the video of Alright (which F-16 wasn't here, unfortunately).

[@setahr]

Great Vid and an awsome show from your side! Oh I love the sound the Felon does when it flies by...

[@Atomic858]

imagine playing minecraft and you look out your window to see a fucking felon and viper dog fighting

[@Paul_Sergeyev]

Could you please fly an I-16 against a Raptor or a Su-57?

[@Reaper_03-01]

The Viper looks good with that camo livery on top with the silver below.

[@derdoofedoofmann]

Now you just need to settle the bill between the Su-57 Felon and the Eurofighter 😅 Great video as always!

[@GrimReaperOG1]

And that ladies and gentlemen is why the F16 is nicknamed "Lawn Dart"

[@-HE-MA-]

The way that SU-57 flies seems like the laws of physics doesn't apply to it 😅

[@amazin7006]

At low speed maybe, all aircraft AOA is still G limited

[@JazzJaRa]

There are actually air show videos of it doing all kind of weird things which seem unreal xD

[@subjectc7505]

​@@leonleeoff2216same for the F-22!

[@rajaydon1893]

​@@leonleeoff2216go fight one and see

[@user-bw6jg4ej2m]

@@rajaydon1893 Go fight one *where exactly* - on MAKS airshow? 😁

[@IceyJones]

would like to see viper vs viper again. who has the better energy management.....

[@HW.0029]

It’s amazing when a plane just pauses in midair and turn his nose around like that, and that handbrake turn initial D drift move lmao fucking sick

[@DragonstarFighter]

I wanna see an updated F-16 VISTA vs the Felon

[@danishkfd]

bro the felon is just straight up drifting in the skies

[@MaximilianoAedo]

You really beat Matt Groening to the punch on the prediction front. The Su-57 will absolutely humiliate and destroy the F-16.

[@sinamalayi2425]

That felon maneuvers is like a ballet dancing so smooth

[@debdulalsenapati7720]

That second round end where the SINGLE BULLET that hit the F16 went through the canopy and blew the pilots head. An dogfight single hot Headshot 😱 Even the felon pilot would be like -Wooo look at that 😮 That really happened God damn it 😁 Good Fight GS ✌🏻

[@charlesrichardson8635]

As always love your running commentary! So you lost 3 out of 4, do you think you could improve this or is this just the F16 vs. SU57 capability difference?

[@TNGolfin]

Your videos are just as entertaining as actually playin DCS. Great video.

[@Sivalente1]

Please start doing a round or two of "fox 2 combat" where you allow a good solid fox 2 lock to fire. Say if you've got 2 seconds of lock after merge.

[@deaddevil7]

It's my first time seeing a literal headshot in any DCS video. What an impressive thing to see.

[@ChainsawChuck13]

There was another one in the video where he took on an A-10 in that Italian trainer/CAS thing. He thought he had the engagement under control and, well, he didn't.

[@xxx_adruyinargaming_xxx6325]

You mean the aermacchi MB-339??

[@DoomRulz]

That "splat" sound at 6:48 killed me.

[@Tactsu142]

This might be terrifying if we couldn't throw 20 F-16's at every Su-57!!😂❤❤

[@robmarsh6668]

Or F-22s or F-35s or F-15s...

[@waaki]

Nahh, more like 100

[@Struggler3831]

Your upload schedule is keeping me alive

[@sogerc1]

Thx, I was hoping for this exact video. In the next video try if a civilian private jet can evade an S300 🤣

[@user-bw6jg4ej2m]

Imagine if they used *that one* BUK launcher...

[@arielrolim]

I'd love to see what a current Ukrainian Mig-29 could to to a Su-57 in a dogfight in your hands.

[@arielrolim]

In BVR I agree, it's hopeless compared to an F-16. But in a dogfight? I'm not so sure. It would be interesting anyway.@@no_name4080

[@tstrongarm77]

That Felon defies physics

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

I honestly surprised you won at all. You are one of the best dogfighters I know though.

[@mmmrqs]

The skills are impressive. I only hope they would use some G-LOC limiting factors (or effects like blacking/red-ing pilot`s view) so that the pilots didn't keep pulling un-humanly G levels for such long periods without blacking out or passing out, as well as some airframe stressing to their aircraft. Otherwise, this ends up looking more arcade than simulator, unfortunately. On the F-16 HUD one can notice the G indicator around the 9 mark for long periods and multiple times without pilot having to recover between those. Besides that, it is still formidable a show. Loved it.

[@SunnyXtreme83]

Finally Felon in the hand of an expert rather than paid actor. GGs

[@TheShrouded]

Tacview debrief of round 1 would be great. How he got out of the rate fight and got the advantage 🙏🏻

[@UzairW]

Keep the dogfights coming dude!

[@atigerclaw]

I'm curious: When you go to nose countering, are you just seeing the nose is just generally coming your way, and just change direction when you think it's lining up? Or do you have eagle eyes and know exactly where that nose is pointing? Because all I see watching is a nose coming around, but I can't tell if it's ON until the tracers are zipping by.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Ya I’m just guessing the nose is coming left so I roll right literally countering the direction of his nose.

[@es11614]

Living near Luke, seeing how hard the felon had to work for those kills is awesome. Of course I now get to see 35's and 16D fly around is awesome.

[@YourBestFriendforToday]

At low speeds the felon is being controlled like a chess piece. Crazy how it moves

[@YashRafa]

During the first round, I was like "GS got felons 6, it's in the bag for GS", suddenly felon started to levitate, float, glide etc, all kind of maneuvers, and a got of GS. Sadge. Overall great job and video, GS 👏.

[@scubasleeve3497]

Not sure I've ever used the verb "wallowing" to describe an F16 but that's what you were doing when you made the Felon overshoot there at the beginning.

[@nephilimivritt8216]

well when they finally meet in real combat it is all going to depend on how good the pilot is

[@phonepoies]

Man, what an amazing video. Thank you

[@Arcamensios]

Hah! No way! 🤯 GS you sawed a Felon with the Fighting Falcon!!! 👊🏼😎

[@thomsghost769]

Always there for my need for speed. Thanks Growling Sidewinder. 👺

[@srtpete1353]

The guy flying the felon is a NIIIICE

[@sakatan1985]

"Is that lead? Is he LEADING ME?" *noises*

[@Aem2512]

I was waiting for this video. Thanks!

[@tendymusic9095]

Crazy how he will put a su 57 against a viper but not a Apache

[@TheLamentedStar]

Because the Su-57 would instantly win. Radar-Guided missile at 30 miles or more and the apache is done

[@paulmarten40]

It would be over before the Apache got within 50 miles of the Felon though. Attack Helis are no match for a modern fighter jet with BVR missiles.

[@MrParker300]

It goes well for an almost 50 year old design. Still brings the pain from time to time against these new beasts. But man imo the falcon is still the best looking thing in the air

[@Phalanx11]

It's the beautiful P&W F110 engines that make the F16c excellent.

[@SUPER-A333]

Hey GS, do u still use the Tobi eye tracker 5? If not what do use? Do u recommend it over track IR

[@HalftonJohnson]

Closer to the AH-64 vs SU57… we’re closer

[@NordicRest]

Nice to see you challenge yourself and post the loss!

[@jadefalcon001]

"Is that lead? I he leading me here?" *brraaaapppp*

[@thomasmelvin1333]

Could be some real world insights that could really impact a highly improbably confrontation but still I feel you revealed some real threats to avoid and a strong strategy to be employed if such a standoff where to happen.

[@Duvstep910]

the felon moves like a drift car: controlled chaos

[@Majin288]

Hey @GS I love your dog fights, but your mission scenarios are so much better to watch! Make smore videos where you need to escort a bomber into china and have to fight off 3 waves of jets or whatever!

[@tufftrucker40]

The fellow is crazy maneuverable in a dog fight it goes from showing you its tail and a split second later its shooting you

[@cliffordclaussen2321]

When I got the KZbin notification for this video all I saw was su 57 and I thought that guy finally got his su 57 vs apache video lol 😅

[@Wraithss]

hey man, that was lead. good stuff as always. thank you for making my days less boring.

[@Webbamaet]

Love these fights when you are in the underdog fighter 👌

[@johnaustin6649]

Rafale M v Eurofighter Tornado would be an epic dogfight of these 2 aircraft. Designed and built in the same era with the same aim.

[@alirezarezaei2976]

Fantastic quality of work is here Man GS never ever fail to amaze me Just fantastic I wish I had the ability to like this video 1000 times

[@alexturnqest6202]

So main lesson here, in a dogfight with an su-57 DO NOT GET SLOW as much as possible in a viper. Lol

[@velocitymg]

Love the oh yeah, su 57 smokes the F16 every time comments, F16 is a nearly 50yr old aircraft design, and it still managed to down an aircraft a decade old. On any given day, with an experienced pilot, the falcon is still amongst the very best of the best aircraft in the world and no fight would have a certain outcome.

[@jmtpolitico80]

Good fight! You learned a little how to fight him!

[@hansgaming4794]

I am a simple man. I see F-16 video by Growling Sidewinder, I click.

[@squid0013]

You broke the rule of overshoot, run back up high and attack again

[@DDayJayke]

This fight went about as I expected.

[@PatriotPlus179]

I don't recall you flying the Felon on here. Get some revenge and match up against him in the Raptor, guns only.

[@itsaflyboything]

11:26 I'll try spinning that's a good trick!

[@bananabourbonaenima]

1:50 He did the Maverick on you

[@01MeuCanal]

Very nice video! I would love to see a 2 vs 1 against Felon with aim9x to F16's and similar fox2 missile to Felon. Try to find the best tactic to counter Felon!

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

GS: ...pull him into maybe a two-circle. Omnomnom 30 millimetre so good.

[@areallybigdwarf4560]

felon do be moving different