Subaru NEEDS to Hear This! | Issues Owners Face

[@markporter6933]

Valid subject matter, but for gawd's sake get to the point!!! Too much blah blah blah!!!

[@roamingwithjosh]

I like to talk and I hope you like to listen.

[@markporter6933]

@@roamingwithjosh The info is good and also important for those of us that are interested in purchasing a Subaru, but due to work and other responsibilities time to listen is limited. Not trying to be rude but just looking for to the point information.

[@jeffg3895]

Agree. Listened for almost 7 minutes waiting for the second complaint.

[@downsouth2158]

Agree. Made it to 2:45.

[@goodshipharmony]

Land your plane instead of endlessly circling the airport.

[@PANN1Cau]

The reverse camera can be fixed with better rear led lights. I put some T15 W16W led lights in my 2023 touring and it helps significantly in low light settings.

[@roamingwithjosh]

That's great info!

[@cpavs8304]

It has a real light shortage, entering the vehicle in the dark.. the rear camera is brutal, I live in the country we don’t have street lights so backing up is impossible..I wouldn’t want to be off roading with that camera and the lack of lighting on it.. I probably won’t keep this 24 wilderness because of this.. with a price tag in Ontario of $55,000 all said and done the car isn’t perfect

[@flippino35]

i have 24 crosstrek limited i switched my license plate bulbs to led and it significantly made the camera better

[@goodshipharmony]

That's good to know, thanks mate

[@cpavs8304]

I’ll try it thanks for the tip

[@WillValor007]

Subaru kind of mastered AWD and off road capabilities and they don't care about the rest. Didn't pay much attention when their cars were in 20-30k price range. Now, when you're paying 35-45k you have the right to complain and deserve better car.

[@roamingwithjosh]

That's a great way to put it!

[@k20z3allmotorFTW]

Lol master awd? Using the same diffs from old Datsuns? With no LSD’s and lack luster cvt transmissions. The drivetrain ruins these wilderness models and it has to do with cost. As a company they don’t have the financial resources to develop and bring to market a actual tq vectoring diff or a 8-10 spd transmission.

[@matthewwain9958]

They are slacking off and putting too much reliance on brake based AWD control. Bring back the diffs.

[@dog_guy-c8x]

8 to 10 speed trans are terable there constantly surching for a different gear @@k20z3allmotorFTW that drives me nuts.

[@theadambragg]

Nailed it

[@scifijeepguy3350]

Great Points! I would like to see: 1. Recovery Points! Front and Rear the "tow" hooks aren't rated or good for vehicle recovery. We're going off-road, recovery points are important 2. X - Mode selector button/switch not integrated into the touchscreen. We're in the backwoods, don't want a screen crack or freeze and can't use the advanced 4x4 3. Locking Diff. Would help keep the wheel spin down when climbing 4. Factory Tow Hitch Installation option (not dealer installed) 5. Remote Start on key fob - just what I need ANOTHER phone app /s 6. Accessory Mounting/Routing - not just Subaru but all should put easier cable paths. Cable run for dashcam, accessible firewall routes, front to rear for dash camera or CB/Ham antenna, Roof to Hood, and with airbags in mind, good mounting points near the dash for phone/tablet The Ascent has good cameras and a rear view mirror screen camera so not sure why that didn't make it down as an option. Also agree the rear hatch needs a sensor bypass so it can be left open without power drain. I think some have said a small carabiner can be put into the hatch lock to trick it showing closed

[@roamingwithjosh]

Great info and appreciate the comment!

[@Uncommonsensetoo]

I chose the Forester as the roof rails on the Outback is useless for my purposes, so that is a big gripe I have with the Outback. I also prefer physical buttons rather than a big screen and the 2021 Forester fortunately still have that and a CD player as well which is awesome. As for common issues with both vehicles, yes the auto stop/start feature is a universal gripe every owner has. I hate it and would like it off by default. I'd rather save my engine and starter motor than save on gas. My understanding is that it can be set to turned off by default using a diagnostic tool plugged into the OBD2 port. And yes, the Hold should be on by default. Never had issues so far with the CVT cruising at 80-85 mph yet, but I am worried about CVT issues in the future and general longevity of these transmissions. I would much rather have a manual transmission. My last car had one and it lasted almost 300 K miles and it was not the transmission that failed. They make cars last way longer and you have so much more control. AC outlet would be nice as well. I have an 1800W power station and 200W solar panel that I use off the beaten path so I am pretty much set there. I suspect the reluctance of putting one in is the danger of discharging your car battery too much especially when the engine is not running. As for the poor camera quality. Well, mine only has a rear camera as it is the Premium trim but it seems ok to me. I frankly don't use it too much as I find the actual distances to look distorted so I prefer to just look back when I am backing up. Old habit I suppose as well. I would have preferred the wilderness trim but it's just too expensive for what you are getting. I think the Premium will suit my needs ok as I'll stick to just roads including rough roads and not actually off-roading. It has better mpg as well.

[@timboWVU]

Another pet peave is the vehicle is rated to tow 3500 lbs however Subaru only puts a 1000 lb Hitch on it 3500 not available and by law if you tow over 1k you need trailer brakes and a 7pin hitch. Subaru doesn't have the 7 pin hitch for the Outback however even in the owners manual it says when towing over 1k you need trailer brakes. So the advertised towing capacity of the outback its technically a lie Subaru will not install a 7 pin hitch which is needed to tow more than 1k.

[@roamingwithjosh]

That's a really good point. I should have brought that up.

[@briantodd4887]

Wow- glad you posted this. Subaru should recall or something. I take it that you’re speaking of the OEM trailer hitch with fascia plate? I had the dealer install this when I bought mine last year but haven’t used to tow anything yet

[@Coach49217]

"Subaru hitches are engineered to the same rigorous standards as the rest of the Outback. Heavy-duty 2-inch receiver is rated at 3,500 lbs. towing capacity, 350 lbs. tongue weight, for the 2.4L Turbo XT and Wilderness models, and 2,700 lbs. towing capacity, 270 lbs. tongue weight, for the naturally aspirated 2.5L."

[@Feel.The.Furs.Photography]

OBW with 6 speed manual transmission. I know that’s probably never going to happen, but that would be a perfect car for me.

[@roamingwithjosh]

That would be so cool to see.

[@herohoistsaustralia4502]

As an Aussie waiting for the Australian version of the Outback Wilderness to grace our shores - well that would be VERY welcomed DownUnder. But of course it’s wishful thinking. Subaru are only making token gestures to the Subaru ‘enthusiasts’… Nothing substantial will ever happen with the transmissions or low-range wise - because it’s at most 15% of the perceived market for the Outback. It’s just such a shame that they don’t offer these things as optional upgrades. You know - to allow the vehicle to reach its full potential… IMHO it’s still an ‘Outback’ in name only… and until there’s a change in the mindset of Subaru Japan and/or Subaru Australia - we’ll just be ignored…

[@du3223]

Yes please!

[@alvinsimba734]

The camera situation shouldn’t be an issue because when people learned to drive didn’t really need cameras. If you need camera for backing into a parking spot, you don’t deserve a license

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for the comment!

[@tomfilipiak3511]

I know people will lambast me,but I have had 4 outback’s,since 2006,a2015,a2020,and now a2024,they are great cars,and all the silly,mundane complaints,are just that!I am 75 years old,driving at 15 years old since 1963!People,the cars today are miracles,compared to bad tires,batteries,exhaust systems,radiators,bad haters,and don’t even start about air conditioners!I will give you some cheese with that whine!Yell all you want,curse me,but I am speaking from experience,like my father,who died when I was11 years old he was only 43,he use to say,experience is not the easiest way,but it is the best to learn something!Dont get mad,God bless all of you!Thomas A.Filipiak

[@Chubbydippin]

While your at it Subaru, make a couple hundred Outback Wildernesses with manual transmissions every year. I love everything about this vehicle except for the CVT being the only transmission offered. Yeah yeah, I know, I'd probably be the only person to buy one. Just wanted to add my request knowing full well it will be laughed at and ignored.

[@roamingwithjosh]

lolol I would buy one

[@SPLITTINIMAGE]

I’d buy one. I’d love to have a crosstrek wilderness manual as well. The cvt is the only thing stopping me from purchasing one

[@jerrywilson4242]

I completely agree with the manual transmission. I have the 2020 Outback Limited XT and don't find it worth it to upgrade to the Wilderness....but a manual transmission would do the trick, that is for certain.

[@BusterKitten]

very good point

[@aussiedeplorable8670]

It has already been a deal breaker for me

[@Hublot1]

So I've had my 2023 OBW since March. I take it offroading quite a lot and i've upgraded many things to make the vehicle more capable. Heres my take and/or solutions. 1) The backup camera has been decent with brighter diode dynamics backup lights, but definitely worse quality than even my old 1080p dashcam. 2) In terms of having a 120V outlet, i have an Ecoflow delta max which is always plugged into 12V. Its bluetooth controllable and I run a lot of electronics off it. 3) Cobb is planning on something for the outback wilderness in 2024. They already have a tune for the ascent which has the same engine, transmission, diff. 4) I installed the autostop start eliminator the 2nd day I owned the car. Hasnt been an issue since. 5) Never experienced the 80-85mph gear hunt issue, and I regularly bring the car to around 117 mph. The anti wobble mount solved a lot of transmission issues in my use case at lower speeds. 5th gen 4runners hunt for gears all the time, so i guess im just used to it?:😅 6) The 2025 Forester/Explorer looks whack, and I really hope that the design language doesnt translate into new model years. Outbacks.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Great info!

[@fastmover0]

What is this - The anti wobble mount? Nice to see someone do some high speed driving in the OBW!

[@Hublot1]

@@fastmover0 actually two things. One is a polyurethane transmission mount insert. You can get that from ADF and two is a carrier spacer also from ADF. If you feel like your driveshaft still vibrates too much you can get a JBX carrier barrier support cage.

[@touie98052]

Right on!!! Cameras - check. The cameras do suck. Even the Nissan Leaf has 4 cameras (front/rear/ l&r Mirrors). AC Outlet - check. Missing. For a brand that prides itself as an Outdoor, Adventure, Camping, Family oriented car company, an AC outlet is almost mandatory. Auto Start/Stop and AVH feature - check. Owners should have the option to Enable/Disable these features. They are very confusing. Gear hunting around 80-85 MPH, I haven't noticed it. Maybe characteristic of their CVT. Subaru should have a channel for Owners to give Feedback and SERIOUSLY consider to implement.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Agreed my friend!

[@davidwayne9982]

I sold subarus for a while years back and know them to be good-- and THE BEST AWD system - bar none-- but the rest puts me off. They feel "cheap" - although I KNOW they are not-- they FEEL like it. they sound like crap- like they're going to fly apart trying to get up to speed on a normal freeway!!! I still am stuck on the idea of bad headgaskets- even though they FIXED that years back-- and other things that I know to be "mental" attachments untrue- but I can't shake them. I LOVE the little CROSSTREKS-- but I won't get one because I can't stand having anything that doesn't have the power to get out of its OWN way!!! FIX IT already...

[@jeffandersen6233]

You nailed it, they feel cheap. An equivalent VW makes you feel they made the car for you with better seats and ergonomics. I miss my '14 Sportwagon.

[@iqnill]

- Cameras are definitely a first world problem. We've been reversing, including with trailers without cameras for years, cameras are meant just a helpful tool, not a replacement for driving skills. - The auto start / stop tells more about the users than the designers. If you stop the car and hold the brake pedal gently, the engine doesn't stop, it will stop if you press it a but harder, so it's an option, even when it's ON. It comes from many countries requiring that idling cars do not produce any emissions. - Yes, at certain speeds the CVT is snooping around for a perfect ratio and it is truly annoying.

[@TheCreateOutdoors]

The problem with my auto stop is it seems to use too many factors to decide whether it auto stops or not, and is extremely inconsistent. Everyone tells me what you said, and I know where the pedal needs to be for it to activate, and it only activates maybe 15% of the time.

[@iqnill]

@@TheCreateOutdoors It seems to be stable for me. There's one annoying auto-stop situation for me - sometimes it turns the engine off when I put the perking brake on and ten starts it when I take my foot off the pedal. Truly bizarre.

[@ricklewis5804]

Here’s my issue. I have a 2022 Outback Touring XT. I was on a busy freeway using adaptive cruise control and got into a very heavy rain. Suddenly I had no brakes, steering or accelerator control. The car kept a constant distance from the vehicle in front of me but I was still terrified. I had zero control of the car couldn’t even turn off cruise control. Eventually, maybe 15 minutes, the rain let up a bit and the problem went away but it was very upsetting. My Subaru dealer claimed they had never heard of this happening and there was nothing about it from Subaru like a technical service bulletin or recall.

[@MBDaltx]

2023 OBW YES!-Cameras. YES!-AC outlet. Auto-stop: I know ppl who don’t have choice on this…their cars always do it, regardless. I always turn my off! 80-85mph…have not noticed this, but now I’ll check! Agree…Subaru needs to own their brand, Be Subaru!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for the info can comment!

[@erikpechmann879]

I nearly fell off my chair laughing when the first thing you mentioned were the cameras.. I totally agree that the resolution on these is abysmal. We were looking at the OBW in 2022 and I mentioned this to the sales person who laughed and shrugged it off. Then we showed her that our 9 year old BMW i3 had what looked like 4x the resolution. She couldn't believe it. There is absolutely no excuse for this on Subarus end. Between this and the auto start/stop I was out. I realize there is an aftermarket solution to that but why, on a brand new car do we need to start doing this. All the items you mention are super valid, not just to enthusiasts but to the masses. We all want better cameras, a way to turn features on/off and have them stay in that state, a 120v outlet in the back, etc. It's an outback, people use these for outback things, dogs, cottages, trips, etc. Fix these things or lose your customer base. Once Subaru gets back in-line with what we like/want I'm back in. I always admire the OBW when I see one on the road and have owned many Subies in the past. I would love one, but they need to get a little more sorted first. Keep up the great content!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Much appreciated! I agree with you entirely.

[@briantodd4887]

I have not had my 24 OBW up to 80-85 mph.. but have a long road trip next week. I totally am with you regarding being able to easily disconnect those two features you mentioned. One would think the starter would go through hell if every time the car comes to a stop, the engine isn’t engaged. Also, definitely need a ac outlet. I would like for the OBW to get rid of the piano black shine on the dash/shifter along with a screen protector. Easy mod, but think it could be easily done. Another thing, many people car camp and would be nice to see rear seats lay completely flat and front seats able to move forward more. All in all , I love my ride and these are all minor issues.. thanks for all the content- learned a lot from your channel.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Those are really good points. I appreciate them. I should have added those to the list!

[@davehoder3713]

Our Prius (and I'd imagine all other hybrids) start and stop the engine all the time, but it's so smooth and seamless that you don't even notice. You really have to get the technique down in the Subaru to get smooth re-starts.

[@briantodd4887]

Had her at 80-85mph, no issues in Smokey Mountains. However, on another note, I wanted to ask if you should keep your coolant level always at the fill line when car is not running. Mine is already nearing the low line, but unfortunately I didn’t check the level when they sold me the car two months ago. If it was on the fill line when sold, should it drop that much in two months time? I didn’t see any coolant leakage anywhere. Lastly, what is average open temperature range when driving? Any info is appreciated. Merry Christmas all

[@Dallashygienist]

I thought that my outback 2015 had a 110 volt. First time OB owner 2015. Blue gray metallic and just named her Pearl!!! We went car camping in it two weeks after my purchase but at 44 degrees I have decided it needs to be 55 degrees. and probably under 70 to be comfy overnight in car. Yes I’ve noticed camera and sad to hear it has not improved or the 110 outlet.

[@Dallashygienist]

Wait ?! You have to turn it off and keep it off!!?everytime ?!! I just figured out I do have the break on at stop light and foot off break start w tap of gas.

[@Benje252]

I have had issues when slowing down. The cvt seems to be jerking the car to find the right gear to be in. When I talked to the dealership about it, I was told that it was due to the simulated gear shifts. Which I'm my opinion is stupid to have because its a cvt. The dealership said that to many people complained to Subaru that they didn't feel there car was shifting, so they added the simulated gears. My hope is that they add a normal automatic transition back as a future option, but I'm that is just a dream.

[@roamingwithjosh]

That's definitely a dream. I had that same issue with my last one when slowing to a stop, felt like the rotors were bad. I even switched the rotors out and nothing changed.

[@jeffandersen6233]

Agreed. A geared transmission would probably necessitate a new engine design to improve mileage.

[@mnbvlkjhgpoiuyt]

One big complaint I have about my 24 OBW is no available option for memory seats. I would gladly pay extra for this option, which is available on other trims, but strangely not on Wilderness. I share the car with my wife, and readjusting seats back a fourth every time is a major pain

[@roamingwithjosh]

I never even considered that. Thanks for bringing it up!

[@danielfair4675]

That 5 seconds it takes to adjust them is a pain. 🙄

[@mnbvlkjhgpoiuyt]

@@danielfair4675 of course, think about it, we have to do it every day, sometimes twice a day, I’m much taller than her, so it’s not just the seat but also mirrors. If you think it’s nothing, then you didn’t really think it through.

[@grey-adventures]

This was my first complaint. Absolutely ridiculous a $40k+ vehicle doesn't have memory seats

[@davidtavares4509]

There’s an AVH button\tile on the second page. You can rearrange the tiles and have it on the first page. I moved it on my ‘24 OBW . Move your Subaru starlink tile (it’s blacked out) and move it to the second page. You press and hold on the tiles (like on iPhones) then drag it to the first page.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Awesome info!

[@Technomage1700]

I totally agree on the camera. My wife's 2023 outback camera vs my 2022 Wrangler is night and day.

[@jeffredding4037]

Great video! After 15 months and 30K miles the only real issues I have had are a hatred of nanny electronics like the auto stop- start annoyance and I also find that the cvt really sucks on hilly asphalt twisty roads. It seems to gear down and roar which is super irritating. Other than that piano black interior trim shows all kinds of dust scratches. Your last comments regarding the Subaru performance enthusiasts resonated with me. That’s really the only reason I purchased the Wilderness. As a performance car owner over the past 50 years I was amazed at how well the 2.4 runs even mated to the cvt. What a great balance of speed, safety and in your face looks. It’s always a blast to drive and mine sees WOT driving on a frequent basis. Thanks again for putting out great OBW videos !!

[@roamingwithjosh]

No worries and thanks for the comment!

[@goprocbr]

I want to see more storage for front driver and front passenger. Auto Hold scares the shit out of me when it disengages automatically after a certain period of time.... I also experience the same thing about the hunting for gears at 85mph... or where Im from, around 100 - 120kph. It feels like clutch plate slipping when accelerating. One thing I want to add is the weird idle rpm fluctuations. Mine fluctuates quite a bit when im idling..not sure if its just my car.

[@polepole9066]

On the camera topic. I wish manufacturers gave us the ability to slap a SD card to record and make it a dashcam and rear cam. The cam are there, why not be able to record it and avoid installing an aftermarket, succion cup and wires all over the place !

[@roamingwithjosh]

That would be really sick!

[@darrens325]

I have a '24 Outback Wilderness. I know the screen was updated as you mentioned in a previous video, so perhaps you haven't discovered this yet. However, you are able to shuffle the homescreen tabs around on the '24. Even change from first & second screen. I moved the tab for auto vehicle hold to the main 1st page homescreen so it's right there above the auto stop/start so can quickly hit both during start-up. Totally agree both should remain as they were though. That being said, you can get an aftermarket module that keeps the auto start/stop on whatever setting you left it on. Autostop Eliminator is the brand. I believe around $100 US.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Much appreciated!

[@richkurtz6053]

@@roamingwithjosh 2024 CW owner here. 4D Tech makes the easy to install adapter that allows the car to remember the previous state of the Start/Stop setting, even after restarting. It took 10 minutes to install. I also moved the AVH icon to the main screen. That makes a big difference.

[@brandonbrock2433]

I work in heavy so I could be incorrect but I know that the auto transmissions offered across all types there were nearly monthly or bi-monthly updates to the software for them that drastically changed how they operated for the better for the first year or two the model came out especially for new trans setups, also we could slightly change the shift mapping depending what the customer wanted (ie heavy haul, soft or aggressive shift, fuel econ). Things a lot more on lock in the consumer world but a trip to the dealer might help clarify if these are possible

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate that info!

[@jmsiapno]

wheres the 360cameras at. especially for the wilderness, this shud be a big help when off roading

[@roamingwithjosh]

Agreed!

[@mj1234321]

I just traded in my 2007 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Limited with 179k miles on the clock and picked up a new Mazda 3 AWD Premium sedan. I thought the Impreza had the makings of a decent sporty sedan until Subaru killed it, rather than giving it a decent powertrain! But the CVT just kind of kills it for me even if you could get more displacement or a turbocharger.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Totally understandable.

[@gregcarr310]

Easy way to aviod the auto start/stop is when you come to a stop, ease up on the brake pressue. There is a point where you can hold the car still using the brakes and the auto start/stop won't activate. I have done this for almost 20k miles on my 22 OBW.

[@gracerx]

I was in my car this morning (a 2020 WRX) and when I went into reverse it made me think of this post, I agree the camera could be better, but even if the camera is better, if the ( I aplogize if someone has already said this...) display isn't great then it doesn't matter. Which is very apparent in my generation of subaru infotainment unit. Good luck!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for the comment!

[@jet81j]

With the Australian Outbacks the Auto Start Stop doesn't work when towing so if you put just a blank trailer plug in it keeps the flap open and the car thinks its towing and doesn't allow it to stop start. I believe it must be a factory fitted towbar. Theres a magnet in the flap that triggers when open. This is what i use to keep that crap switched off

[@roamingwithjosh]

That’s absolutely genius! I’ll be testing that this week!

[@mickeybrumfield764]

You're right on target with the cameras. We live in the era of the camera they are everywhere, and they cost a dime for a dozen. Why Subaru and all auto manufacturers can't do better job with cameras on their vehicles is beyond me.

[@joelpfeil7131]

Ford does exceptionally well with their cameras. Now have a Crosstrek and it's a waste at night.

[@roamingwithjosh]

agreed!

[@randerson4383]

I have a new 2024 Outback Touring and I have comments on the following issues: 1. Cameras - my cameras all seem fine except the review mirror camera; it is almost unusable at night. The other cameras are just about the same as other cars I have with cameras. 2. The auto on/off - I don't feel like it's overly rough or clunky when using, I leave it on and it seems to save me about 7/10's of a gallon of gas with each tank of gas. I recently sold a 3 series BMW, and that car had a clunky auto on/off, so much so I would turn it off every time I got in the car. 3. The max speed limit in my state is 65 MPH so I have never had my car up to 80-85 MPH and probably never will. 4. The 110v outlet comment - That makes sense, I have one of those in my Jeep JL Wrangler and it's nice to have, I've used it many times, Subaru should add this feature, it would be easy for them to do so. 5. The AVH - Totally agree, having to turn that on each time you get in the car is ridiculous. I moved that icon to the first page of my screen but even then, I always forget to turn it on. My friend has an OBD2 tool, I'm going to see if he can plug that in and find a setting to keep that on all of the time. He's done other things like this for me before, like changing the program so that the fog lights will stay on when the bright lights are on and things like that.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate the input!

[@tomfilipiak3511]

I turn the stop start off as soon as I start the car,it’s right on the screen,come on,it takes a second,CVT ain’t as you say,it’s not the cats meow,but it ain’t a old Chevy power glide,you got it good,but if complaining is your thing,your in America,so bring it on!

[@tuan056585]

My 2007 Honda Odyssey EXL just totaled lost so I bought 2024 Outback and man, the back up camera is much better than my old minivan! Sharper, more colors. May be you have issues with your Subaru camera but I'm happy with mine.

[@roamingwithjosh]

It's all relative! thanks for the comment!

[@nolanmeeks973]

I have a 2022 Forrester and a 2023 outback. I agree with all except for the transmission at 85 have never had a problem with that.

[@skolenimation]

What kills me about the backup camera in my '23 OBW is even with the LED reverse lights I can't see anything backing into my driveway. Forget it even being usable when it rains.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I feel your pain

[@margohanson1502]

That gear hunting problem at 80-85 mph can be related with speed limit setting on the wheel, please check your settings, maybe you have accidentally configured speed limit and thats why car acting weirdly.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I'll take a look!

[@mikegordon8178]

The transmission "hunting for a gear" sensation you describe is the CV computer responding to minute precise changes in responses of terrain inclination, rolling resistance from surface changes like road crown variation and even wind direction changes in angle of attack, break in laminar airflow from passing or getting passed by a different sized vehicle, headwind, tailwind or any angle in between. Enjoy the ride and let it do its thing.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks!

[@aimeeg11]

I am looking to become a 1st time Subaru owner. I'm currently trying to decide between the Outback and Forester. In all of my "research" - primarily YT videos and forums, these issues are my biggest concerns. I own a 2016 Sorento that I bought new in 2015. The camera on the Kia blows the Subaru camera out of the water. AND I currently have an AC outlet. I'm seriously concerned about losing that option. I am a home health nurse and use it almost daily because I use a tablet for work which inevitably needs recharging frequently. Also, I am a tactile person and hate the idea of touch screen for everything. Lastly, since I work out of my car, the lack of console storage space is quite off-putting. I know these are all small gripes, but make a huge difference. Despite this, every Subaru owner I've ever met speaks so highly of them that I want in on the secret. But the concerns you mention have me a little hesitant to pull the trigger. Hopefully Subaru hears the cries of their loyals and make some changes.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I've never had to use the car for your intended purpose, but even with all the gripes I genuinely enjoy this car. You can have the dealer add a 110 outlet if it's a must. Thanks for the comment and sorry if it wasn't more helpful!

[@raybonz7939]

Don't know about the Outback, but on new Crosstrek Wilderness it could use a front camera. You can't see where the front of the car is due to the shape of the hood. Maybe it's just me?

[@roamingwithjosh]

The OBW has a front camera. Does the crosstrek not have one?

[@raybonz7939]

@@roamingwithjosh no, it doesn't have one or even the option to add one. You can't see the nose of the car as the hood slopes down.

[@bryanmchugh1307]

Awesome upload man. Whoa...so there you go. Subaru turns a def ear to their own enthusiasts. I REALLY want the new Outback. At the same time my 2018 Crosstrek has Zero major issues. I do not like the outdated dash gauges and way to big screen as it gets in the way of controls mounted lower. It gets an easy 28 mpg. It actually sits an inch higher off the ground than my 2018 CRV. If I could take the gorgeous dash, gauges etc out of the Honda and bolt it all into a Subaru I would do it. That big of a difference. The Honda gauges are big clear and perfectly legible at all times. Never really thought much of the camera in my Crosstrek but now you have me seriously wondering about it.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate the comment! Check the cameras and let me know what you think!

[@cojasso]

My opinion is based on a 2022. Except for the 80-85 mph issue, which I haven’t paid attention to TBH, I agree with all of the other complaints. FYI, I got the software updated on my last maintenance visit and now have a AVH button right next to the Auto Stop button above the AC controls and I love it. Easy access when getting in the car drop off line at my child’s school every morning.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on! Thanks for the input!

[@dsa4347]

On a survey they sent out (which you can't backtrack on), I brought up the wimpy plastic mudguards (?) in front of the wheels. One came off after going through mud. Granted, it was thick mud, but these are just a joke.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for the input!

[@biedawo]

Agree on the cameras. I actually thought backup camera was fine when I first saw it... then I saw it in night time.

[@jimbrown7261]

I also have a 2024 OBW and I agree with all of them! As soon as you said the cameras at the beginning I knew we were on the same page.Thank you for making this video!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Anytime!

[@seanstewart6292]

its a cvt there are no gears its just a band that has two bowl bottoms that goes closer and further apart to for different speeds. the hunting for gears is just automated to seem like a conventional automatic.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Makes a lot more sense. I guess that was the best way I could describe it in words. Thanks for the info!

[@aactor57]

Interesting list. Here's my feedback for what it's worth. Caveat...I'm an old fart that used to drive a Jeep CJ for offroading and camping. 1. The camera. Yes the views suck. Part of the problem to me is the lens. They seem to be more fish-eye than a nice linear one. My 2018 Hyundai has a much better backup camera. And yes the back up at night is basically worthless. The front camera fish-eye makes it extremely difficult to judge distance since it is a distorted view. That being said refer to my first line. I'm an old fart. For backing up... I use mirrors and over the shoulder, especially in the OBW. 2. AC outlet??? You young folks are so spoiled!!!! 3. Auto Start/Stop. Totally agree. As a former programmer of user interfaces for control systems I know how easy it should be to change the function of ALL the buttons on the screen since they ALL are doing something in software hence the term "Soft button" . There are a lot of other small things that annoy me about some of the programmers choices one being the heated seats. When you have used them they stay on indefinitely even after turning the car off. All the cars I've had in the past that had seat heaters used a latching relay or a timer that when power was removed you had to push the button again to turn it on again. Hmmmmm. Why doesn't Subaru swap the functions of the seat heater and the Auto start/stop. Remember the setting for the start/stop and turn the seat heater off when shut down. 4. I haven't had an opportunity to drive 85 in a 65. fastest I've had mine was about 79. That being said I have experienced what acts like searching for a gear. I was driving up into the Sierra Nevada doing about 65-70 uphill above 2000 ft on the interstate and noticed it. I ended up using "manual" mode 5. No opinion

[@roamingwithjosh]

I appreciate your comment and input, even as an old fart your opinion matters and puts things into perspective. Thanks for stopping by!

[@themasterelfoutdoors2652]

The heated seats are that way so when you use Starlink’s to start your car they will be on and you can control the temp too pretty neat.

[@Sams911]

I just bought a 2025 Adventure before they radically change it to something I won't like.. (traded in a 2022 Touring XT) and the 2025 still has those issues, except the start/stop and AVH which now they stick... Wish it had the electric folding mirrors that my 2022 had also.

[@mariner3485]

I have a 2021 Outback Limited XT. I LOVE it! I totally see where you're coming from (except for the camera - this is my 1st car with a backup camera and I think its pretty good compared to older camera equipped cars I've driven), but Subaru is NOT Jeep. JEEP = "Just Empty Every Pocket"! You have to pay for those extras. Subaru needs to keep their base and Premium models affordable - that's one of the reasons Subaru is popular as a VALUE brand (even if a lot of buyers go for higher trim levels). My biggest wish is that Subaru spend a few dollars more and give us a better/faster processor for the Touch-Screen. I agree about the 'Auto-Stop/Start' deactivation. If the Wilderness Editions continue to sell, hopefully Subaru will add the AC outlet in the future. Hopefully they will hear you! Keep up the good work!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate the comment!

[@ricklewis5804]

I’ve had several outbacks 2.5 and 2.4T and put around 50Kmiles on two, 160K on one and 29K on my current one 2022 Outback touring XT. They’ve all been completely trouble free except for one serious issue I’ll post separately.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thank you for the comment!

[@seanobrien176]

I love all your complaints and agree with all of them. My gripe is that heated steering wheel. Subaru is so safety conscious that the wheel is only heated in the 10-2 an 9-3 position. All my friends with non Subaru vehicles have heat all the way around the wheel. Let me decide where to hold the wheel Subaru.

[@roamingwithjosh]

They love to be safe....

[@themasterelfoutdoors2652]

This is so strange because my steering wheel is heated 360 except on the very bottom where the gold trim is . And on my test ride same way 360 I hope they can fix this issue 😑

[@m3rdpwr]

I really like the looks of the Outback and Crosstrek Wilderness, but i have no need for it. I prefer to get ventilated seats. 😊

[@watchnut]

The auto stop/start is my biggest complaint. There is an aftermarket solution, but not sure I want to go that route.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I'm with you on both fronts.

[@jason2174]

I did and it was worth every penny.

[@watchnut]

@@jason2174 Have you had any interactions with your dealer about it concerning the warranty?

[@jason2174]

@bucknaked9591 I haven't had any dealership interaction other than oil changes and no one has said anything.

[@JMBNIWOT]

Subaru dealer tells me I need a $450 super-charged battery to handle all the start/stops. Penny-wise, $$$-foolish !!! The absolute dumbest idea in a car ever!

[@georgegiorgio]

My list for Gen 7 1. Bring back H6, ideally simple, or with Turbo, and/or Turbo + Hybrid, but at least give us option of a simple natural aspire engine 2. Real 7 Automatic Transmission and Manual 3. Better Front Windshield material and manufacturing, double ply glass all around, and make the front door window one piece, lots of other manufacturers achieve that as it reduce noise from that tiny cut off glass 4. Less plastic cladding, keep it like Audi A6 Allroad, but with option for people who wants to off-road 24/7, Gen 4, Gen 5 and early Gen 6 had the right balance of Plastic Cladding But recent wheel arc plastic cladding is way too much 5. Air adaptive suspension like Audi A6 Allroad and offer factory lift kit for those who wants higher ground clearance 6. Factory installed tow hitch with brake controller (Australian Market Offers this option) 7. Bigger and stronger alternator and 2nd battery, and two regular 110V outlet (one in the front console area) and one in the truck area 8. Additional LED on the Tailgate so can illuminate the ground when open (This option are being offered in JDM, APAC, Australia and Europe) 9. Remove factory crossbar and keep it like Gen 4 in JDM/APAC/Europe and Gen 5 Touring in the US 10. Passenger Retractable Window Shade, along with Cargo area side corner window shade for privacy and security 11. 360 Birdview Camera 12. HUD option, even Mazda 3 has some basic HUD, and/or change the cluster display to full digital and make it more useful, like iPhone pitch by Steve Jobs, analog fixed index needle can’t do much 13. Panoramic Roof option

[@roamingwithjosh]

Agreed on a lot of these options!

[@lisaperez3510]

I have the 2023 outback limited and totally 100 agree with you it's super frustrating to push the button every single time to turn off the auto stop. It irks me tremendously. Plus it's so annoying that so many features I have to watch a video to learn how a button works. I'm upset I get bad street mileage and only good on highway. Sticker mileage listed is way off. I'm at 1 year with my vehicle and I wish I knee before I got it. I also wish they'd make the map bigger. Why an 11" screen but only 1" used for directions? Thanks for sharing. Liked and subscribed to your posts.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I appreciate it!

[@williamhritz3455]

Auto stop eliminator 100 bucks permanently fixed it

[@haroldpierre1726]

OMG, I thought I was the only one complaining about these issues.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Definitely not!

[@ornative7514]

Have a 2019 OB. Have the power rear gate causing a dead battery if left up for 2 - 3 hrs. Been a problem for several years, lots of people complaining. SOA won't own up to it. Maybe fixed in 2024.

[@roamingwithjosh]

It seems they love to avoid simple issues.

[@RedEyedITguy]

I recall reading something along the lines of - "the auto start-stop will always turn on by default is because its the only way to get the mpg claimed by Subaru specifically for the Wilderness." Also I have a 22" and after doing a software update last year the AVH and auto start-stop button are next to each on the main screen.

[@roamingwithjosh]

You're probably correct. Thanks for the comment!

[@josemontes751]

23 OBW owner here, I can definitely agree with you on the camera notes and the German hunting every now and then. I also hope for an update for the auto start and vehicle hold functions especially since the screen is somewhat laggy when we first start up the car. I'm hoping for future cars they can add the AC vented front seats and also add an extra camera in the rear that we could view in the rear view mirror like how Toyota has their option for that. Considering most OBW owners are landing up their camping gear or whatever in the back which would make the standard rear view mirror ineffective to see behind us while driving.

[@roamingwithjosh]

We agree and thank you for the comment!

[@seektruth1599]

I about lost it after buying my first Subaru, '23 OBW... The noisy incessant seatbelt chimes, worthless dim reverse lights, worthless indoor lighting, slanting downward side mirrors, Cannot change temp, fan speed or direction, radio etc without taking your eyes off the road and hope your finger hits the right part of the screen with the right pressure, how flippin' unsafe/ stupid having a gigantic distracting touchscreen blinding you down the highway creating thousands of opportunities to crash as you take your eyes off the traffic & road. Had to buy seat belt extenders to stop the chimes when putting around the house, neighborhood or parking lots. I about wet my pants when I found out about and purchased an auto stop/ start eliminator...!!! Best $99 dollars I spent, next to the chime silencing seatbelt extenders for $12 bucks a pair...!!!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Please send me a message in IG or an email with the links for those items!

[@fastmover0]

Where did you get the seat belt extenders? I have them in my M3 and those came direct from China, I bought them 8 years ago and they were also $12 or $14 including the shipping.

[@gagags1115]

I agree very much with all you've said. I am not an OBW owner, however. I'm a Forester Wilderness owner. Number one the new Forester absolutely kills me as I do NOT LIKE IT AT ALL. Secondly, all the other gripes you as an Outback Wilderness owner with cameras and AC power outlets I am 100% on board with you. I also believe that the turbo engine option should have been an option offered to Forester Wilderness fans that are enthusiasts should have the option of choosing. Subaru used to be known for their unique look and rally blood. Now it seems they are trying to be like everyone else. They've lost their unique stand out heritage. The new Forester looks like an old Ford explorer. Breaks my heart. They took away my favorite option in the Forester which was a manual transmission. They've killed the turbo. They seem to be killing the spirit of their true enthusiasts in every way throughout their line of vehicles slowly and it's very sad to see. I've hunted around in the Subaru line up for a few years. I've had a Crosstrek which was a fun little car when it first came out but too small for my needs, a Subaru Outback, and three different year models of Forester. I finally settled in my current Subaru Forester Wilderness 2022. I greatly appreciate your videos you and your wife put out concerning our Subarus.

[@roamingwithjosh]

We appreciate the comment and kindness! We also completely agree with all you've mentioned. I understand they can't live on their rally heritage, but make those options for people who are willing to pay a premium. Thanks again!

[@gagags1115]

@@roamingwithjosh I agree 💯

[@themasterelfoutdoors2652]

Why don’t you guys take a good test drive before you buy.my dealer gave me ten dollars for gas and said go have fun +no sales man with me 👍

[@FunkySpunky91]

hey man i have a little over 7K miles on my 2024 OBW. I just drove over 700 miles to Florida this past weekend, and for quite some time my vehicle felt like it was hunting for gears when i was driving around 60-65 mph and pissing me off lol. it went away after a while, but not sure if you have felt that round that speed as well. I also wish they made a simpler way to add lights etc. and get through the firewall with some sort of grommet specifically allowing for such mods.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I have not noticed it at that speed, but will give it a shot next time I'm out. I feel your pain on the wire issue, such a drag to go through the door. Thanks for the comment!

[@jerrywilson4242]

Remote switching from the engine compartment....just a thought. It's what I am planning to do.

[@FillingPassports]

Here is my process for starting my 2024 Subaru Outback. I put all the necessary buttons on the home screen. 1. Start engine 2. Turn off autostart, (Consumer Reports calls Subaru's autostart primitive). 3. Turn on Auto Vehicle Hold. 4. Turn off Driver Monitor, (I get tired of reminders every time I turn my head to look at something). 5. Turn on Cruise Control, (why this is not left on really baffles me). 6. Go to Bluetooth Audio screen. I find Android Auto to be very slow to start up and rather glitchy but use it when I need Google maps. Pretty much everything on this list should be done once and left as is, even when the car is turned off and on. This is just software settings, not a vehicle redesign.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Agreed!

[@robertgregory415]

I have a 2023 Subaru Outback Touring XT, which is the top of the line. The quality of the camera is dismal. Also, the wireless charging pad causes your phone to get very hot and stop charging. This annoyance has been mentioned on several Subaru forums.

[@roamingwithjosh]

It's also in a terrible location

[@ww5511]

The auto start and stop has been shown to basically wear your starter out... you are putting potentially 10s of thousands of additional starter cycles on your car every year. Starters ain't cheap.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Agreed!

[@nsbat755]

I FEEL YOUR PAIN! I had a 2022 Onyx XT that was totaled and out of five different outbacks (2012 premium, 2016 premium, 2021 premium, 2022 Onyx XT AND 2024 Onyx XT) it was the only one with a sweet transmission. Now I have a 2024 Onyx XT and like all the other ones, I hate the transmission. Is not only at 75 but all the time. I tell my wife that the transmission is always confused. I drive it like my STi and I live in center VA, perfect mountain roads and that transmission takes the enjoyment away. At the dealer they talked to me like I was clueless about cars, a personal offense for me.🤬🤬🤬

[@nsbat755]

And don’t get me started because as an experienced old Subaru enthusiast, I have a lot of shit to complain about, starting with all the electronic driving crap good for those who do everything in a car, but driving. Many of those driving-aid systems feel like a beta version and we are the test subjects.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Both of your comments are perfectly said!

[@aldomassa7473]

Agreed… this is why Toyota listens to their customers…. Hence the reason for global success. I am also an owner of a 04 Impreza …. No frills just a great daily. Well done.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for the comment!

[@EdWright-gh3qp]

Toyota owns 65% of Subaru

[@du3223]

It’s 20%. You can confirm that at various sources including Consumer Reports, JD Power and Motortrend.

[@dhrtiwalter8670]

Planning on buying Outback onyx Xt tomorrow 🙂 cosmic blue or magnetite gray

[@Moondoggy1941]

I was leaning hard on getting a Wilderness Outback, but the more and more I see videos I am shying away from them and starting to think about getting a Forester/Non Wilderness. I hate screen controls for a car. I hate auto on/off.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I would agree!

[@Moondoggy1941]

@@roamingwithjosh Color is number one and I am not sure I like the blue in the wilderness, I love the Rally Blue in the WRX through.

[@richdhaliwal1494]

Everything you have said is legitimate. Have the same gripes with my wilderness... I want to look past these things. .miss my dinosaur 4runner😢

[@roamingwithjosh]

It's a great car, but some stuff is annoying. Thanks for the comment!

[@nhlcfl7733]

Good points. I noticed the cameras are low Resolution and an easy upgrade for Subaru. Start-Stop feature as informed by mechanics provides minute fuel efficiency BUT the lack of lubrication while off and also the continual use of the starter = costly long term maintenance $$ repairs. My old 1/2 ton had this and there are thousands of documented issues with that technology, which is an EPA satisfying gimmick just like cylinder deactivation which causes catastrophic failure after approx 100K miles in the valve+piston area that is $thousands$ to repair, wiping out fuel gains. You mentioned cruising at ~85 mph, on hwys. I presume. I do not, we’re allowed up to 74 on some hwys. without a ticket and I’m satisfied with that, but if what you say happens that’s unacceptable with that turbo engine power (in Europe some are allowed to cruise at very high speeds and so they must be experiencing the same). Yes, Subaru please listen like mfrs. like JEEP. And make them more sexy please, not so quirky, yet I’ll accept them anyway. But let’s get more power for base engines; way too woussy. If they incorporated a gear transmission (reliable one at that), that would be a game changer as well. 👍🏼

[@roamingwithjosh]

I would agree with you on all fronts!

[@bwmooney]

I have a new 2024 Outback Wilderness with about 4,000 miles on it. 1. You’re dead on with the camera resolution and nighttime performance. It’s circa 2000 video camera quality front and rear. Even the cheapest new cars out there tend to have better backup camera quality than this. It’s usable, but just barely. 2. Auto Start Stop has more to do with emissions than it does with saving gas. It’s considered part of the emissions system of vehicles. Thus it likely will never been permanently defeatable without some sort of modification like the available start/stop module. It wouldn’t be so bad if the restarts didn’t feel like I was being rearended by someone every time. I’ve never understood the AVH, though, or why anyone would ever use it. I’ve had several vehicles with it and every time I use it I am dumbfounded that some people find any use for it. But to each their own. 3. “Gear Hunting” is definitely an issue in my 2024. Of course it has a CVT, so these are fake gear shifts, but the programming of the CVT appears to be nonsensical. Mine seems to “shift” randomly even when driving at a steady speed down the interstate at anything over 60mph. It will randomly shift up or down for no reason, causing the whole car to lurch and buck. That’s probably too strong a description, but it is definitely noticeable. I also notice it’s impossible to come to a smooth stop at a stop sign sometimes because it feels as though the transmission is downshifting. Feels very similar to warped rotors, but it happens only some of the time. Both issues are sufficiently severe that I am going to ask about it at my next trip to the dealership. 4. Subaru seems to be slanting its enthusiast division away from performance driving towards offroad performance. Thus the Wilderness trims in now three different models. The sports car market is not as robust as it was in, say, the 1990s, and the overlanding/offroading market is on fire. I suspect that the next generation Ascent will have a Wilderness trim as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if the next generation Outback comes with an even more offroad capable setup than this first attempt. At this point, Toyota mostly controls Subaru with something like 45% ownership. You notice the BRZ/AE86 shared model and the new electric only model. I wouldn’t be surprised if Subaru becomes effectively a sub-brand of Toyota that can be a little quirkier but not really directly compete with Toyota’s sales leaders.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I really appreciate this. What you said about the breaking really just set in with me. on my 22 I had that issue where it felt like the rotors were warped and I honestly just assumed that was the problem. I've never talked to anyone else who made mention of that. I completely agree with the off-road market taking over, just wish they would have kept a manual in the STI for those people who really loved that car.

[@du3223]

It’s more like 20%

[@npproneck34]

If you put your OBW in manual mode and use the paddle shifters is it still noticeable then? It would have to be a programming issue given the CVT transmission. And I couldn’t agree more with the issues that you mentioned. My 24 OBW is my 8th Subaru I’ve owned and my first without a manual transmission.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I have not tested that simply because I shouldn't have to control the gears myself to eliminate gear hunting in a brand new un modified car. I get your point and you're totally right, but that shouldn't have to be a fix. This is not a rude response to you at all, I apologize if it sounds that way.

[@npproneck34]

@@roamingwithjosh it’s cool, not taking that way at all. I was merely stating that so you would know definitively that it is a software issue and you could take that knowledge to the dealership and have it addressed. Giving your platform you are in a much better position to have your voice heard and have people, myself included, as to the outcome. I enjoy your content and I am looking forward to seeing your OBW buildout. 👍👍

[@SlimIsAMenace]

I have a '23 Outback Wilderness and I 90% love it. my main gripes are. Im just not a fan of the CVT and i'm not sure I'll ever get used to it. I would love to see a "carwash" button on the main screen so it will temporarily turn off any crash sensors when using an automated carwash. and honestly for me this is a big one, the stereo is trash, its functionality is fine but the audio quality is just bad. this car is a lease so I'm not going to upgrade it, but its really disappointing, hopefully the '25 has a serious upgrade.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I'm with you!

[@PittiesAndMore]

I found Subaru is really responsive if you send Subaru of America an email with your concerns. Send a link to this video as well.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Will do!

[@albertmartinez1807]

Same thing is happening around same MPH on 24 OBW. Have you gotten any info from dealership?

[@roamingwithjosh]

I have not. I'm pretty sure the computer is working out the transmission. That's the best I can come up with at this point.

[@MikeHendrix-m8b]

live in TX where 85 mph limit exists, seriously considering buying '24 OBW (replacing honda accord) - was the CVT "gear" hunting on flat road?

[@roamingwithjosh]

It was on a flat road. I would test drive one and try it around that speed. I would love to know if you feel what I'm feeling.

[@elliotwave9589]

just found this guys videos.. watched a few of them. hands down a good ass channel. Good stuff brother. Love your stuff

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thank you very much! Appreciate the kind words and glad you enjoyed them!

[@jeffandersen6233]

I generally like the room inside and that its a wagon but with lots of annoyances in my 2020 Outback. The 11.6 screen is like a chesp Amazon tablet. Waiting to change the air flow takes ones eyes off the road which is frustrating and dangerous. Seats are not a strong point either. My power drivers seat cushion slowly changes position. Id like a VW seat instead. Had to replace full set if tires d/t one non fixable. The $ keep adding up for AWD that I rarely need. This could be a really nice car with more attention to details. But they do market well to an avid base which keeps buying whatever they make.

[@PittiesAndMore]

I own STI but I am interested in an Outback Wilderness. Are the backup lights LED or halogen? I upgraded my backup lights to "XPR LED lights from Diode Dynamics. It made a day and night difference with the backup camera.

[@roamingwithjosh]

You're the 5th person that has said that. I will be doing the same thing.

[@stevencall3968]

100% ON POINT on the AUTO START FEATURE and the ability to have the CHOICE to TURN IT OFF!!! COME ON SUBARU!!!!!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Preach

[@lawrencewalker6457]

Crazy that a cvt would feel like it is hunting for gears.

[@roamingwithjosh]

agreed

[@chrispnw2547]

Subaru leadership could benefit from some cultural change. I fully respect Subaru is not a large company and is reticent to make many changes to production vehicles but this could be an opportunity for improvement. Your Korean competitors (Hyundai and Kia appear to listen to reviews of their products on social media/customers and make small improvements on a faster timetable. Some things have to wait for the next refresh but for the most part little irritating things are addressed far quicker. Known issues must be addressed quicker or Subaru will lose loyal customers to others.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I agree

[@ChrisKing-hawaii]

How can a vehicle designed to go off pavement not have real skid plates and protection. We shouldn't have to go off market after spending $40000 plus.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I agree with that

[@jhonrutger3508]

anyway to change out the A switch for a toggle switch to leave the auto stop off

[@roamingwithjosh]

not sure

[@dazzhan9826]

I had a 2020 Subaru WRX and the reversing camera was fantastic compared to the crappy rear camera I have on my 2020 Subaru Outback Limited XT.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Agreed!

[@jmcadam5478]

Did they put back in a second pump for the rear windshield sprayer? The delay is ridiculous compared to my 2008

[@roamingwithjosh]

I'm not sure

[@jeffreyackerman4119]

I have a 22 OBW. I was at the dealership getting an oil change the other day, and I was browsing the 24s while I waited. They were offering a 1.9% and I honestly started to consider trading mine for a 24. I have a white one, and I want to switch it up for blue or grey. Looking over the new models, I was happy to see the better HK sound system, but besides that, I ultimately decided against it due to the lack of new innovations/ improvements. Overall, I've enjoyed my 22 OBW after driving nearly 70k miles, but I agree with all the points you're making.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I'm with you! One of the reasons I decided to get a 24 was the 1.9%

[@livenhfree]

I just picked up my '24 Outback Touring. Everything you said about the '24 Wilderness applies to my car as well (although I haven't been up to 80mph yet), plus this: there is no speed-sensitive automatic volume adjustment in the audio system. I can't believe it! My understanding is that this has to do with the Harman-Kardon head unit, and that '24 models without it DO have the automatic volume feature. I just don't understand why they would allow this.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Such a classic move!

[@livenhfree]

@@roamingwithjosh Sarcasm, I assume.

[@ben81347]

Great segment! All the reasons you mention, plus the fact I’m not a fan of Subaru’s current infotainment system, is why I’m holding onto my 2014 Forester XT, even though I’d consider adding an Outback to the family. My 2014 has a powerful turbo engine, actual buttons for all functions, a crappy radio but still better than Subaru’s current infotainment system, no auto stop/start nonsense, and cameras that are about the same quality as the 2024 model which is sad!

[@Theborpapogs]

Yeah definitely do not upgrade. I wish I would have kept my 2016. The infotainment is an embarrassment.

[@roamingwithjosh]

You've made the right choice my friend!

[@roamingwithjosh]

agreed

[@AngryYodel]

Wish they put the memory seats in the Wilderness. My wife and I have very different seating positions so it is a little annoying having to adjust the seat just so every time knowing there is an option for memory seat that they just don’t offer in the Wilderness.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I could agree with you on that one.

[@CanadaGTA]

Wondering if anyone else finds that people talking on the phone with them in the Wilderness trim in particular complain about how much road noise/wind noise there is? I am always reluctant to make a phone call because everyone complains... is my car defective?

[@FunkySpunky91]

I have never had anybody complain about my 2024 OBW phone call quality. I do make many calls on it and haven't had a problem. Now if somebody is using their speakerphone on their cell, I have a hard time hearing it through the speakers of the OBW.

[@npproneck34]

24 OBW here and road noise is a non-issue for me.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Haven't had that issue, but I generally use my headphones. I don't love talking on bluetooth.

[@jamesdeclue557]

Nobody should (needs) to be using their phone when driving a car!!! 😠

[@joelmeriwether3480]

Have 2024 Outback turbo. Have same tranny issue with hunting for gears above 70, sometimes at like speeds.Auto stop is a joke. Hold should be on all the time. Too much crappy black plastic. Need true 360 cameras and yes the current cameras are terrible. Also have Murano with 80000 miles on original brakes. Seats are GREAT. Subaru needs to copy those seats. Murano driving 75-80 gets 27 mpg with a V6 and Subaru gets 21 with a 4 cyl. Murano CVT has been flawless and doesn't hunt gears. Adaptive headlights on Subaru don't adapt to anything.

[@joelmeriwether3480]

Also heated steering wheel is barely warm and not all the way around. My Murano is hot and all the way around. My AWD is as good as Subaru and I can compare as I have had 9 Subarus.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for the comment!

[@peterleibrock3434]

My '24 Wilderness does that gear hunting thing around 80-85mph sometimes too

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for the comment!

[@timboWVU]

Wifes 2023 foorester touring went thru a starter at 6k purchased the simple wiring plug to keep this feature off and works great

[@roamingwithjosh]

I've been hearing about those modules.

[@GabrielSBarbaraS]

I think we all needed this alternate point of view from you, thankyou. ( The auto stop start feature I believe is more for pollution when many cars are sitting in traffic rather than fuel savings) I also run an inverter on my Subaru with a deep discharge battery, the CCA is not as good , but the staying power for inverter use is there, don't know if this pulling a lot of 110 hurts the alternator though, I heard it might. My deep discharge battery has lived under my hood for about 8 years now.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Great info thanks for the comment!

[@rwtisch]

100% on all points- especially the gear issue at 80. Brought mine in and Subaru tested it and said operates as designed?

[@roamingwithjosh]

It has to be the computer working things our for some reason.

[@daretobe957]

Auto start/stop only makes sense on mild hybrid vehicles. It does save quite some gas on my cx90 but I believe mild hybrid plays such an important role - engine stops when I'm going downhill and there's no vibration issue in that use case.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on!

[@deenamariebehindthelens]

24 OBW first time Subaru owner. I see your point with the camera. It absolutely is outdated. I enjoy your videos and watched alot before buying so I’m going to pay it back by giving you a tip. Photographer to photographer🙋‍♀️ use that pesky auto start /stop thing and the brake hold thing when your out shooting. Pretty nice to slide up on an owl and have the car go silent and the car staying stopped wild you snatch your lens and pivot in your seat. The rest of the time I turn that stuff on but handy for this wildlife photographer . I do not like the CVT transmission. The reason is because I’m a mnt chick and when I’m driving down my icy canyon road I like to just put it in a low gear and not use my brakes. The manual mode with this in a lower gear gives you some drag but not nearly enough. No I do not want to x mode to use that drag all the time, maybe on occasion, but not on the daily. I am also already tired of hand washing and drying this thing. That said I had and still do have my 06 4Runner with 260+ thousand miles. Never let me down. Paint is still good. Purrs like a kitten! So the Subaru has a lot to live up to. Thanks for your videos!

[@dsa4347]

Handwashing and drying? Why is that needed?

[@roamingwithjosh]

That is such a solid idea! Great tip, I wish I would have thought about that before making the video. Appreciate the comment and love the fact you're still pushing the runner at 260.

[@deenamariebehindthelens]

@@dsa4347 because the paint stinks.

[@du3223]

The paint is an absolute joke. Miss a bird dropping for a few minutes and it will stain permanently. Don’t get me started on how easily they dent.

[@dsego84]

I think pretty much every vehicle today comes with a start-stop system. It's less of a problem for me in my Skoda, since with manual transmission I can just depress the clutch to get the engine to start, or hold the clutch if I don't want it to shut down. The starters and batteries are supposed to be beefed up to handle it.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I hope those components are beefed up to handle it. Thanks for the comment!