What you NEED to know after 25k miles in our Outback Wilderness

After 25k miles in our Subaru Outback Wilderness, I thought I would share with you the facts about this vehicle and go into detail on exactly what we've learned about this vehicle after almost two years of ownership. This vehicle has taken us to many awesome places, but it has its limitations, and today we want to talk about those limitations and what you can expect if you're one of the many who intend to build this vehicle to be a more capable off-roader.
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[@bigtoastybunz]

40k in 15months on my OBW. So so capable with no extra driving mods...so far. Off-roading everywhere from from Oregon and Moab to GA, and TN. Will be with me for many years to come!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Sick! Awesome to hear and thanks for the comment.

[@OneBaldingWookiee]

Same! Completely stock ‘22 OBW here. I can’t believe how capable this vehicle is. One specific time that sticks out to us is when we were in Pacific City, Oregon and we wanted to take it on the beach. Well the vehicle beach access for this one area was a very difficult entry point. Signs everywhere telling you how difficult it is and to make sure your vehicle is capable. This entry point was essentially a tall and steep soft sand dune. We sat there for a while watching vehicles get stuck over and over, trying to plan out our entry path. Even some what appeared to be decently built Jeep Wranglers (not your typical pavement princess) were getting stuck. After about 15-20min of watching vehicles get stuck and me trying to build up the courage to do it, I aired down and went for it. Piece of cake! I’m still in awe with how well it handled that. That was a major confidence boost in the vehicle.

[@scp025]

Yikes - not if you keep up that kind of mileage it won't!

[@Rolling2Quarters]

@@OneBaldingWookiee Seen a lot of people get stuck there.

[@davidanderson8469]

Deep sand?

[@KarlHaywood-h9d]

Thank you for your comments. As a new Outback owner, I have been looking for modifications to make mine an adventuring vehicle. Looks like all I really need is some underbody armor, a full tank of gas, and good company.

[@roamingwithjosh]

That sounds like a perfect plan.

[@rhymeskill]

So in the end, with mods, it’s going to cost more than a 4Runner and will be less capable?

[@cnobillbradley9673]

I concur

[@RRr-yl8zr]

I'd say on a wilderness ad the bash plates, some "ditch lights" / sidelights. Maybe some lighting for when you're in reverse. Some lightweight all-terrain tire with a bit more bite than what comes on car. ( Not crazy mud tires or overpriced and heavy "K2 or k3" t tires) and call it quits. That's probably going to do the best for you when you're already limited by the motor the transmission and an all wheel drive system can do/provide. Start doing more things than that and you're probably just wasting money and messing up the chassis / performance of the vehicle. And dang his gas mileage just tanked!!! Oh I did see somebody that I think put a lift on for a "couple inches, inch and a half or was it just an inch?"? but also put on a locking rear differential. And that thing would go places. At least I think it was a locking differential not a limited slip. I don't remember how much his gas mileage went down . It does also lower the quality of your everyday ride/ handling performance

[@NeverNoodle]

I picked up my 2024 OB Wilderness almost 2 weeks ago and I absolutely love it. The H&K sound system is fantastic!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on!

[@Drtbykr1]

I just bought a 22 with the Harmon Karman system That is good news.

[@jamiehempel8131]

‘23 had no audio upgrade options. It sounds like hot garbage.

[@Drtbykr1]

@@jamiehempel8131 I don’t think it’s so terrible but I just came out of a pickup truck.

[@sjs1555]

@@jamiehempel8131You may want to take a hearing test. Check with your healthcare provider.

[@ares333x2]

Great video as usual 😊 I've had mine for almost a year now and have done some pretty substantial trails with it. I traded my WRX for this because I wanted exactly what it is. Here is one thing this car can do that no Jeep or 4 runner can, you can rail this thing on windy mountain roads pretty hard. It's definitely not a WRX or sports car but it can hit the turns without any fear and minimal body roll. Got a small trailer that I haul my 4 Wheeler and dirt bike which will take me everywhere the Subaru can't... my 10 mpg pick up mostly just sits, unless I need to do construction stuff on my property. Lastly, I live in the Utah mountains with lots of Winter and you just can't beat having a seriously great all wheel drive system.

[@roamingwithjosh]

That's awesome! Thanks for the comment!

[@hanskohl6559]

THANKS FOR THE VERY GOOD AND HONEST REVIEW! We are driving a Outback Wilderness 2023 and love it. Got a Rhino Rack Platform and thats it. Love it.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Awesome stuff!

[@SprSonik13]

This is the video I needed to see! My past vehicles include an 02 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4, Explorer Sport Trac 4x4 (lifted with 33s), 07 FJ Cruiser (2" lift on 33s), 2013 Rock Warrior Tundra (2" lift with 35s). All of them saw plenty of off road miles, lots of sand, dirt, rocks, and even some air over the years. We used to tow a 30' trailer and caryy 3x motorcycles, spare fuel, fire wood, etc... in the bed of the Tundra, along with me, my kids, and our dogs in the cab. I didn't mind getting 9mpg for the fun we had out in the desert. But I couldn't stand paying $25 a day to drive them around so we got a Prius and let the truck go. Recently started shopping for a new vehicle (my daughter is off in college and my son is heading to SDSU in the fall, and 6 years in a Prius is all I can handle). I want to start doing more extreme hikes with my dogs and cooler/longer mtn bike trips with my buddies. Been looking at all the full/mid-sized trucks, a number of SUVs, and even spec'd out a LR Defender 110 ($75k as I wanted it) during my exploration. The Outback WIlderness was always the "meh" option because it was nowhere near as good off road as the other vehicles I was researching and wasn't as "cool' or luxurious as the Defender on the pavement. But I keep coming back to it largely because of your videos and the fact that I don't want to spend $65-80k on a vehicle that won't be used heavily off road. I test drove a Wilderness about a week ago, and it convinced me that the OB Wilderness is what I will be buying before this desert season. I figure with the money I save over the other options, I can put on the wheels and tires I want, maybe a lift, a dog "cage" in the back, and also get a new KTM 690 Enduro (build it up the way my previous 690 was supposed to be done) and still come in well UNDER the cost of the Defender 110 and have a lot more fun. Love the channel, and really appreciate the great information you put out!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Awesome stuff! I'm glad I could help with some good info on your next rig. The wilderness definitely has its limitations, but it is a really fun car to drive and I think for everything you're talking about it has exactly what you need and more. Good luck and let me know if you ever have any questions!

[@minnybiker4505]

I just sold my Prius and got an Outback. I'm adjusting to the fuel economy, but completely worth it.

[@Studio89Graphic]

@@minnybiker4505 Back in the 1990's ─ when we/I had both Camry; Honda Civic and the Subaru Legacy; (of course an Urban Turbo Peugeot French Sedan); I sold the Camry and Civic and kept the Subaru Legacy. We/I worked for Drilling Services Company; the Staff had to have reliable access to Vehicles that can drive to some "Off-road" area/ Well Sites. Of Course, most of my co-workers drove the F-150 Ford ... I found subjectively that the TCO of the Subaru Legacy was out-shined other Legendary Camry or Honda and be happy with the Clearance but low in Centre-gravity of the Boxer-type Engines by Subaru. We/I could change oils by lifting the Front about 2 inches more; then all it would take is 10-15 minutes and I would have 🛢 🛢 Oil changed and Oil Filter changed. Don't need to drive to any Oil Change Outfit or take too long like other Vehicles Brands. Sometimes, from a Vacation Trip, I would change the Oils as ─ I bought bulk Oil Container and Pumped the oil from there. Our Subaru Legacy Original Timing-belt last us since 1992 to 2019 ─ The Subaru Tech/Specialist Mechanic was shocked ─when she was told the Timing-Belt Original ─ she said it - the Timing Belt was older than her - OMG - and we still have the Original Belt look very fine to me. Cheers,

[@minnybiker4505]

@@Studio89Graphic that's a great story, thank you for sharing! I'm excited to see how long I'll end up keeping this car. I sure appreciate it so far!

[@Studio89Graphic]

@@minnybiker4505 Cheers, ☺ ☺

[@danielwillingmyre8620]

I also am getting the 2024 Outback Wilderness, ordered mine at Subaru Scottsdale & is to arrive during the end of June. I agree with much of your video, I really want this car not for the modifications (even though they are dope af) but for the economical standpoint of commuting to work but then going down the beaten path less taken during the weekends and road-tripping. Everything was well said, glad I came across your channel just now. Best of luck storm chasing. Stay safe!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate the comment and congrats on the new ride!

[@DigitalCity-sj4es]

trade it in... your balls will grow back.

[@crajo463]

I think you perfectly described the OBW's capabilities and trade-offs. I'm excited to see what you do to the 2024 OBW (I drive into the northern Yukon in the winter, so I wouldn't mind a heated steering wheel either). I'm a wildlife/landscape photographer so I use my 2022 Outback Wilderness as an "approach" vehicle: I use it to get to distant trailheads or remote sites where I can set up a base camp that I hike out of. I have 45K miles on it, about 10K of that on gravel or similar, and I've never wanted or needed a vehicle that could take me further. Some of the roads have been through dense Texas brush that I can barely squeeze through with the stock body so the only mods I made are to the interior (galley, with refrigerator, lock boxes for camera equipment, etc.)

[@roamingwithjosh]

Awesome stuff! In the video that's releasing this week I specifically state how perfect of a car this is for photographers. I am a very amateur landscape and storm photographer, this vehicle is the perfect blend for that hobby/profession. Spoiler alert, I'm sticking with the 2022 and not upgrading. Thanks for the comment!

[@davidhori4899]

Wow. What a terrific overview of reasonable and realistic modifications and associated expectations. Thank you!

[@roamingwithjosh]

No worries!

[@jedicazador]

I’ve owned jeeps since the 80’s always built CJ5 or CJ 7, have dodge 2500 Cummins 4x4 , blazed a lot of trails on BLM properties that people and fire crews use regularly in southern Nevada. Purchased 2023 OBW last October, yeah I’m not making my own trails anymore and I’m not rolling my cage down rock-sloops I’m also not using my on board welder or air compressor to do on trail repairs. What I am doing is really enjoying this ride. Every day i find something that just makes me happy! Maybe it’s the first vehicle I’ve owned with all these awesome electronic features maybe it’s the fact I am dropping 25 bucks in fuel vs 100 or that its just so nice AND fun!

[@roamingwithjosh]

I would have to agree with everything you said. It's nice to enjoy the ride and be comfortable. No, it can't take on Moabs finest, but everything else it CAN do is a blast and it costs me far less to enjoy. Thanks for the comment!

[@RobertUnabiaLindsey]

81K in my OBW! 2 windshields. Changed spark plugs. Still going strong 💪

[@roamingwithjosh]

LOL I love it!

[@TCobb47]

81k? Wow!! Nice! I thought my 20k miles in 6 months was impressive lol

[@thomaskong5]

How often do you change your oil?

[@ncd7184]

I wish they kept the traditional automatic that the 2010-2014 3.6r had. I'd probably buy one if that was the case

[@johntalbert8227]

Did the windshields just crack, or did a rock hit them?

[@2sully4]

The video nails it 100%. I don’t have as many mods as you but I kind of regret them all. I did a lift because I tow an A- frame pop up. Prob wasn’t necessary. I now run with none of my expensive rooftop purchases on my roof because they kill my mpg. I’m actually considering a Silverado with the diesel just because of capability/mpg in one package.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I have had very similar thoughts over the past few months.

[@q2145]

Enjoying my Wilderness. No mods, it’s perfect as is. My Land Rover was awesome while I had it but my OBW drives sweet and very capable. Drove it through Canada… Solid.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on! People need to see comments like this before they get crazy with mods.

[@jamesrice6096]

We live on a dirt road that is very poorly maintained by my township. We also have a trail to an earth cottage on our property. 10 years ago we were recently retired so got a Prius because we went to both coasts every year. Now, the Prius is capable of everything we want since I installed a lift kit. 2 inches. Everyone is amazed, so I can't expect that a Forester as our next car won't be able to do everything we ask of it. We do get snowed in. The mud is incredible at times, like Wyoming gumbo. At those times it is blazer or Tahoe time, but my wife is comfortable in the forrester and not those. Forrester will do more than you reasonably ask it to do just stock. If you "need" a 78 K5 blazer, you're probably going places for recreation. We just live here.

[@davidbuchanan3374]

I bought and use a VW Tiguan 2.0tdi 4motion. It's a 197bhp remapped to 246bhp. I wanted a full on 4x4 mitsubishi shogun but in reality I didn't need it. The worst terrain I drive on would be forestry rough heavy gravel road. I car camp and find this car is spot on for my needs. I've added a 2 inch lift to the front and an 1 1/2 in the rear. My next purchase will be a front skid plate this is definitely a must.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Awesome stuff! We appreciate the comment.

[@afailinq]

Got about 60k miles in a year or so of owning the vehicle and its been incredible. I sadly had to put all seasons on in a pinch but they still have been handling the trails I go down about 90% as well as before but the onroad feel has also been improved by about as much. Upgrade wise I plan on getting a grill guard to hopefully save myself from deer and some underbody protection since the skid plates slightly insufficient. If anyone has tuned it let me know as Im considering that since a slight boost in power would make it perfect imo.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on! I would also love to hear about a tune for this vehicle.

[@dialupdavid]

There is a small group with JB4 tuners out there. One guy dyno’d his with E30 fuel at ~330HP and around 345TQ. Almost everything under the hood is similar to the WRX, so you can get lots of the goodies in the OBW. That said, lots of XT stuff is coming out.

[@pjsbusa]

My wife owns a 2022, she loves it!! It has a turbo I love it !! 😊😊

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on!

[@kingofall9262]

15k in on my wilderness and I love every second of this car.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on!

[@mchaglasian]

Also Wow. Loved the honesty and direct approach, you're spot on with why and why not to do the add-ons. For someone like me who's new to this, very much appreciated. I learned a lot. Thanks!

[@roamingwithjosh]

I'm glad it was helpful and thanks for the comment!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Really good video and lots of respect for keeping it real and honest. 12:04 really hits it home.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Glad you enjoyed it and thank you for the kind words!

[@NittyGrittyOffroad]

Love the video. We already have 2 heavily modified Jeeps for off-road play. When we buy a Subie for a daily it will not be modified at all. Customized, yea. So knowing that it’s more capable right off the lot is perfect info to have.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on! Sounds like you that the right idea! Thanks for the comment.

[@Fishingwithbassdaddy23]

I just got a 2017 Subaru Outback touring and I love it n love my heated steeling wheel.! I want a wilderness one tho

[@jeffherald8542]

Thanks for the down-to-earth review of upgrades. I got my '23 OBW about four months ago and it's the most comfortable car I've had. As an amateur photographer, i want to be able to explore unpaved areas, not rock crawling, so your assessment of the type of person who buys this car describes me. I only plan to add skid plates as an added level of protection.

[@roamingwithjosh]

That is a perfect way to put it. I as well am an amateur photographer and using this vehicle for that purpose has been an incredible experience. Your ideas on additional protection is spot on. Thanks for the comment!

[@juddnelson9582]

Such a great video. Thank you for hitting on all the relevant points for those who are considering moving from a 4wd situation to AWD. Unfortunately, my lifted 2008 Lexus GX470 was totaled in a car accident two weeks ago. When I looked for a replacement, I found the early GX's in my area to be much higher in mileage + their overall condition was inferior to my GX. In addition, the rate when financing a used vehicle with over 100 mile was unreasonable at over 13%! I ended up purchasing a 2020 Honda Passport in excellent condition that had 60k on it. All the reasons you outlined in this video discussing the benefits of the Subaru Outback apply with the Passport as I think they are very similar SUVs. I chose the Passport over the Outback because I do tow a teardrop, Off Grid Expedition 2.0. In choosing the Passport, I sacrificed the wonderful ground clearance of the Outback, and some MPG's, but felt the Passports powertrain would be better suited for towing. I could be wrong, but I don't think a CVT is the best choice for towing especially living in NoCal where there's always another mountain pass to climb to get to the good campsites. If I didn't need the SUV for towing, I would've went with a Subaru. Again, thank you for the excellent video!

[@roamingwithjosh]

No worries! I appreciate your thoughts on this and the process behind your decision making. Sorry to hear about the GX, that's a bummer.

[@letsgo_inc]

I couldn't agree more. My bone stock Onyx XT has gotten me everywhere I've wanted to go in Minnesota and Colorado pretty easily. On the road it is fast, efficient and comfortable...way more fun than any SUV or truck I would have gotten. I have just added Falken Wildpeaks and a roof box and it will be getting a hitch bike rack (to replace the roof racks I have been using). The end result will be slightly more capable and usable while being just as fun and efficient as before. I can see myself running that set-up for many many many years.

[@roamingwithjosh]

They really are great cars for just about every thing. Thanks for the comment!

[@JT_Adventures]

Refreshing, honest and informative. Thank you for another great video.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thank you, sir!

[@dallastrikker792]

Josh. I love the journey you’ve been on with your OBW, and great video! I recently took my stock 2022 OBW on the green and blue trails at Merus Adventure. It did extremely well and totally surprised our guide. He was constantly amazed every time the OBW cleared one obstacle after another. Sure, the guide’s Jeep, the 4Runner TRD Pros and Tacoma TRD Pro that we were with went over the obstacles easier b/c of better approach and departure angles. But we all had a great time together. Bottom line, I’ve thought about putting a lift etc on my OBW, but after my experience at Merus Adventure, and given the relatively good MPG’s and the awesome ride quality that I currently have, I have no plans to do anything other than add a small light bar on my front bumper bar. I’m so pleased with my 2022 OBW that I’m going to forego trading in for the 2024 model despite all of the new amenities you mentioned (which should have been standard equipment from day one 😂). I do highly recommend adding all of the skid plates (mine were all scraped up after the Merus Adventure trip) and a roof rack (I don’t have a trailer hitch but may add one as well). All of them are functional mods and only slightly decrease the MPG’s.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Merus sounds like a blast! I will definitely be adding a full set of skid plates, but the rack will be something I have to think about. Appreciate the comment!

[@watchingvideos4309]

So glad I found your channel. I have a ‘23 Onyx and have been looking at the builds. I did order the set of skids from primitive based on their simplicity and installation process. I use mine for going shooting pew pew and road trips by car. I love the ride, the mpg is not fantastic around town but hwy is great (2.5 na). As for the overland build, I did it to my wife’s beautiful 20 Grand Cherokee hemi with bumpers, sliders, rack, awning, 8gal waterport, jack, maxtrax, and 33” wildpeaks on KMC 18s. The look is incredibly original on such a high trim Jeep. The ride on air suspension is great, the wind noise above 70 and the rattles are terrible. She requested I remove the awning and water tank and Jack from the roof haha and we gained a few mpg on an already v8 gas pig. Now it’s a poser Jeep with a roof rack I never use while the accessories sit in the garage. We just aren’t tent campers, we have a dually towing an airstream so it’s hard to get her in a tent to big bear in the cold evenings. I did it for the kids and I. But it’s her Jeep. So I have looked at doing the same on the outback and you have reminded me to just let it be factory capable. Skids yes. But the other crap not needed. Thank you for great videos!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Sounds like you're in the same boat as most who go all out and then never use the rig for what its supposed to be used for. My new goal is to keep things simple and use the vehicle for what it's intended for and leave all the fancy stuff to the people who want to look cool on the highway. Thanks for the comment!

[@watchingvideos4309]

@@roamingwithjosh for reals. That’s what I’ll do with the Outback. As for Jeep it looks great and is functional as a Jeep now and is still my go to off roader with real 4Low and limited slip, we do a lot of that type of off roading just not the camping stuff.

[@bikerbob2260]

I have a stock 2024 wilderness outback with 13500 miles on it and my wife and I enjoy it more so than the Toyota 4 runner we owned, the only issues we had were stone chips in the windshield 3 times and a sun roof exploding on the highway but we were being passed by a semi truck in the rain, But all in all it is comfortable and drives great, I would buy another one!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for the comment!

[@elliotwave9589]

This was a very good video. Answered a lot of questions i had about the capabilities of this thing

[@roamingwithjosh]

Glad it was helpful!

[@broinsocali]

I just brought home a 2024 Outback Wilderness. Had a 2021 Outback Premium loved it.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Congrats!

[@broinsocali]

@@roamingwithjosh thanks

[@es0terra]

Excellent video. One thing I didn’t hear you mention regarding the limited off road capability compared to the Gx460 / 4Runner…is its capability in snow. I think it’s an even playing field for highway/ city/backroad snow and ice conditions. Throw on a good set of snow tires and the Outback is king!!

[@roamingwithjosh]

I would definitely agree with that!

[@adamleppert5679]

Added a locker to the rear diff on my 21 outback xt. Definitely a major upgrade if you’re off-roading an outback.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Nice! Thanks for the input

[@GlycerinZ]

i'm on the other end of the spectrum; 2001 Legacy GT Limited on 18" wheels and lowered on coilovers. Just over 150K miles and had to replace some major components (front CV axles, ball joints, outer tie rods, sway bar end links.. the passenger side needed a new wheel bearing and steering knuckle). The car has her faults but I love her so much

[@roamingwithjosh]

All good! Thanks for the comment!

[@irishbearsfan12]

Perfect for hot springs! Highly recommend Grover outside Carson city NV. Dirt roads for our 2016 we’ve recently upgraded to a 2024❤ so excited as an off roadie family!

[@irishbearsfan12]

Thanks for the vid! Now I’m obsessed on upgrades !!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Awesome!

[@Roku-qp8oc]

Awesome video thanks mate. We own the new 2023 Subaru Tourer XT stock in Australia and she drives magnificently on road and offroad on adventures, camp sites and yes even firm beaches. Next time could you please show more vehicle footage. Love your commentary (and burly face😂)but just match it up with more product time.

[@taylorcutts]

How does it go on the sand mate? I'm interested in buying one but coming from a 4wd I wonder what the outback can and can't do.

[@jaggerh1]

Currently in the market for another Subie (miss my bug eye Rex and Leggy) This was concise & to the point with more facts than opinion. Great “this or that” menu of mods with explanations of sacrifice over creature comforts. Great job!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thank you for the comment and kind words!

[@DJjayenvy]

Looking to buy an outback wilderness and this video answered all my questions. Thank you! Great job.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Anytime!

[@FieldingSmith]

Great video. I’m currently working on my 22 OBW in preparation for retiring from the Navy next spring. Goal is to turn it into a photography/road trip mini camper for me and my dog. Removed the 60% split rear seat for my sleeping platform and am waiting on the Iceco go60 and bluetti ac60/80 to get here to build out the cabinets and rest of the storage (also have a inno wedge box and slimshaddy awning). Currently gets 22.6 commuting in dmv traffic, and with long distance driving and light off roading in mind, this video really made me rethink my plans for what all I was planning to do for tires/suspension. Might just throw on some lights (maybe skid plates?) and call it good for now.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I would absolutely recommend you do that first before adding anything else. Suspension really changes things and it doesn't sound like you plan to go too hard in the back country. This is the perfect photography vehicle, in my opinion.

[@wastedyears6653]

Excellent, informative and unbiased

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thank you!

[@alhi6240]

OBW... DOWN TO 17 MPG!!! While not an off-road vehicle, my 2022 Winnebago Solis RV (RAM 1500) gets over 18 mpg highway, and over 15 mpg around town. With the Solis RV I have a 4-season vehicle that has all the amenities needed. Can tow up to 3,500 lbs.

[@roamingwithjosh]

What have you done to decrease your mileage by that much? Is that towing?

[@gandalfthemead3121]

I went from a 2003 Yukon XL - 2wheel drive, to a 2018 Subaru Forester. I drove it across America and back. When I got it, I purchased the 10 year 120K mile warrantee. I'm at 52K now and I didn't realize that I would have to pay $1000 to $1500 on the 60k maintenance, which is a spark plug change. That was a sticker shock. Next time I'll see if I can get a better package. I am very light on the brakes. I didn't have to change my brake pads on my Yukon XL for 9 years, and that was with a trailer for half of the time. So for me to have to change out my rear brakes at 3 mm with the rotors needing turning kinda sucks. I did go ahead and put new rotors on. but to eat rotors at 53K with a light foot sucks. Looking ahead, as soon as I pay this off, I will be giving this to my grandson and buying the wilderness. I don't know which would be better, wait for the 2024 or buy the 2023, which gets 6 less miles to the gallon than my 2018. I'm getting the Wilderness for 2 reasons, I like that model of Subie and it can tow more. Looking at a small trailer to tow. This package is way cheaper than a New Life Van and a build out.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I would agree it's much cheaper than van life, but I will say the van we have makes our travels so much fun and really allows us to stay out longer in great comfort. Pulling a trailer with the wilderness was a really good experience. If you plan to tow often, I would upgrade to a stiffer rear spring eventually to even out your ride, but give it a go without it first to see how it handles. Thanks for the comment!

[@linoxblack]

Thanks so much.. you hv been so informative.. and your advise really makes sense . Already place order for the 2024 model 2 months ago & taking delivery in early June..

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on!

[@deanc.5984]

GOOD INFO. I have a 2024 outback wldrness on order aug2024 arrival🎉 U helped me order a ADF front skid plate, ill get a straight front bumper brush bar. Jeeps hardly ever go rock climbing sacrificing everything else, true outbacks have best of both worlds-i dont want to climb rocks and I would have a hard time finding those trails that the stock outback couldn't handle. Great video, concise, helpful.👍🏼

[@roamingwithjosh]

Congrats! Thanks for the comment and glad the advice was helpful.

[@JonasFilion]

As always, amazing video! Love all your OBW-related content 🤙🏼

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate it!

[@commonsense7057]

I have a 2022 Colorado Z71 and I am averaging 16mpg and I don't drive it hard at all. For that and a few other reasons, I am really considering getting one of these Wilderness models.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on! I don't think you would be disappointed.

[@paultruesdale7680]

Boy, am I glad I subscribed to your channel Josh. I am confident because of all the other vehicles that you have owned and wheeled, that I’m getting a no nonsense review of the capabilities of the Subaru Outback. I owned a 2000 Nissan frontier for over 12 years and I loved every minute I drove it. I was only seriously off road maybe three to four times, but I jumped at any chance to drive it in the snow. Having said all that, what I did not like was the abysmal fuel economy, no matter what tires I tried. So my personal dream vehicle is a 4Runner or Rubicon, but I’m not thrilled about the cost per mile of either and seriously I’m not going to be doing any serious off roading if I’m honest. So back to the Subarus. Mild off road ing, great fuel economy, will probably end up driving it daily once my daily is kaput and plenty of aftermarket support should I need it. Lol, now all I have to do is get off the fence and leap. 👍

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on! Thanks for the kind words!

[@patrick-rb3ul]

Owned three Foresters and now new Outback. I baby my vehicles and do not do stupid driving habits that will drive up maintenance costs especially with the more costly models. Keep maintenance schedules and be safe!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thank you!

[@crambow]

thanks for this debating on picking up a widerness. Ive been in half ton and 3/4 ton trucks for a long time might try an outback. I'll prob miss a truck but we use to have a gti wagon and i loved it so much and if im being honest was much more practical than my f150. I've modded a lot of cars and trucks and appreciate ur honesty in the video! I think everyone is obsessed with the overlanding but in reality 90% of people driving Rubicon's should be driving sports.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Agreed!

[@rsvp6]

The first thing you should do even before tires is get appropriately rated recovery points!!!! Not just that eyebolt that comes with your car. sooner or later you will want to be pulled out or help some one else get pulled out. Make it easy on the person coming to help up and decrease potential body damage by getting good solid recovery points!!!!!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Give an example of a solid recovery point for the front and the rear of your Subaru so people have good information. Thanks!

[@pmrconsulting8138]

I have an crosstrek. Wilderness, loaded. The all cash deal made it half the cost of a decent ram 4x. I’m not sure of the other models but the new low end torque will blow your mind. I looked at the Obw but the smaller rig is just perfect. I have an og sportsmobile 2004 4x4 with 100k. Bullet proofed the killer aluminess front bumper with storage. That is a beast. East’s sprinters in wind and off-road. My friends 96 civic could go where his sprinter barely could. Plus the cost of a sprinter in sportsmobile trim is a hard no for me. $125k ? That’s a tough pill.

[@justaguy1114]

I had one through Covid… put about 40k miles on it in a year. Super comfortable on long trips. Great review… and appreciate the honesty. I put meaty tires on my defender and completely destroyed the ride quality.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for the comment!

[@montechie]

Great info, we have both a Subaru Forester and some Jeeps, I sometimes get tempted to consolidate to a Wilderness Forester for adventures. That 17mpg on the modified Wilderness is painful, is that averaging in the towing? I'm averaging that in the Rockies with a gas Gladiator Rubicon that has a cabover/pop-up camper. Our lifted and regeared 05 Wrangler gets 16 mpg loaded up on trips.

[@roamingwithjosh]

No, that mileage is without towing. If you're getting that in your Jeeps then you have cracked the code!

[@Wrang15]

I only get 22 on Turing xt not towing average. It's wicked fast up hills that's my problem living in the Poconos. My 4x4 v8 pick up gets 10 on the same roads and it's slow up hill.

[@montechie]

@@Wrang15 We just got back from a 2000 mile trip where we crossed the Sierras/Tahoe twice (no towing) and averaged 31mpg in our '19 Forester Touring. Not bad with a roof pod on top! The little 4-cyl isn't as peppy as the XTs, but it had enough to pass and plenty for climbing.

[@j.t.c.9157]

Looking into the Outback Wilderness..thanks for your honest opinions on modifications.. ive been a Jeep Wrangler guy for 30 years..time to tone things down just a little bit..yea, comfort is more important these days then hard-core four wheeling rigs.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Agreed! Appreciate the comment.

[@chriscampbell625]

Thanks for this review - I went all out with my Subaru Crosstrek 2023 - bumper guard, 3 skid plates, lift, suspension, paint protective film. Dropped 8 grand for that and regret it for exactly the reasons you said. Then I got back-ended, car written off and so now I have a replacement vehicle. Will go for the Crosstrrk Wilderness and go stealth like you said - minor mods and just see how it goes… You’re right tho - it really did look super cool after all those mods on the 2023…but gas mileage tanked. Spot on review - thanks!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate the comment and sorry to hear about the accident! Good luck on the next build!

[@durkman12]

I have a 23 Crosstrek but no mods. It's a cool car. so far put a roof rack that's it. It took my 13 ft Kayak flawlessly.

[@ravenscandle]

This was the perfect video for me. I recently ordered the 2024 OBW. I will be new to the "off-road/soft-road" community so it took a lot of thought as to what would be my best option. I currently have a golf r with an exhaust, so in a way I think road noise wouldn't be too much of an issue for me either. But I was wondering if getting a lift, tires, and wheels were really needed for what I'd likely do. Which will probably be soft-roading and maybe a few easy technical trails. Thank you for your honest review as I now know what to focus on with mods when I get the vehicle! (I'm also looking forward to that heated steering wheel as my hands are cold 90% of the time regardless of the season)

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on! Congrats on the new ride and thanks for the comment!

[@ryanhaquez6345]

two best cars to have

[@ricklewis5804]

Great video. Lots of good (useful) info. Thanks! I have a 2022 Outback Touring XT and love it but am considering a 2025 Wilderness.

[@roamingwithjosh]

No problem!

[@alejandrosoto4385]

Hi Josh, thank you so much for your comments on the OW. I'm about to get mine this month. may I know if you experienced any windshield cracking? I've heard that it's very common on Subarus with eye sight to have windshield cracks. and I'm a little worried.

[@roamingwithjosh]

i've had wind shield cracks on all my vehicles. It's more of an unlucky circumstance when a rock hits the window. I wouldn't be concerned about that at all.

[@Canoflak]

I wasn’t into Subarus in till I got a Forester 1998 and this Outback has become my dream car, I been into Toyotas and Hondas but Subaru it’s just different.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Agreed!

[@NeutronStar-r7r]

Lots of useful information and well balanced. Good job.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thank you for your comment!

[@kevinmoore994]

Great video. I love mine. It’s never been off road (I know), but I love it. If I knew where to off road on the Northern Oregon coast where I live I’d try it, but I don’t.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for the comment!

[@chuckwalla2967]

In the beginning, wasn't Outback the off-road version of the Legacy wagon much like Wilderness is in the Outback lineup currently?

[@roamingwithjosh]

I'm really not sure about the history of the Outback so i can't speak on that. I'm sure there is someone in the comments who knows far more than I about that.

[@PleiadesPower]

For the past 40 years I've owned models from Volkswagens, Toyota, Honda and Subaru. Without going through a diary of reasons, I only own & drive just Subaru anymore and it's been that way for many years.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I appreciate the input!

[@oliverroo59]

I have also taken my OBW storm chasing 😂😂 it's a great car. I have done zero modifications and it's more capable than I would even feel comfortable trying. It's a rabbit to 60mph, too. Awesome vehicle!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Awesome stuff! Thanks for the comment.

[@wallypeake6579]

Love how you mix metric and English measures in your title.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks!

[@atulganguly73]

Exactly the video I was looking for, thanks! I need a “daily driver” with some off-road capability for hiking and camping. The good thing is it looks like I can modify it if I decide to get more adventurous

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on!

[@atulganguly73]

@@roamingwithjosh I actually went to the Subaru dealer yesterday and looked at a '24 model that was CPO. Needless to say, the car sells itself. However, he said that the warranty was 7 years/100K miles for just the powertrain. The difference is that none of the electronics are covered. So, any feedback on what might POSSIBLY go wrong with the electronics? I guess he's referring to the mammoth-sized screen on the dash as well as all the other bells and whistles.

[@chefandolini]

forget everything else! i'm getting one ('24) in the next 4-5 months and i'm going to "pimp" mine out for groceries, and people will say... "DAMN"!

[@alanfields3356]

Josh you mentioned the larger then OEM tires…can you give me the make and size? Thanks…haven’t pulled the trigger yet but would love a comfortable ride and the ability to get to the streams or surf to fish and camp.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I believe these tires were 265/70/17

[@jefflidberg9941]

I recently purchased a 2000 subaru forester ive always wanted a subaru but couldn't afford it i got this through a friend of a friend for a steal only had 138000 mile on it everything works on it i put about $1500 in it to get it where i have it now and for being as old as it is it still gets really good gas mileage with oem roof basket and the car fully loaded i still got 21 mpg made it up to Virginia lake in the Sierra's no problems I plan on having this subaru for a long time and will continue putting mods on it until i feel its where i want ut to be nothing to crazy though

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on! Sounds like you got a great vehicle.

[@TommyBlazeHD]

This is your best video yet! I'm all about practicality. We will be looking for a new car in the future and this video helps realign thoughts on a more subtle approach. We need a family car that will replace our current lethargic 3rd gen Outback 2.5. I like how comfortable it is, and how good it is on gas. But I still can't get over the fact that I spent over $5k in repairs due to faulty graphite coated head gaskets. That issue will happen again in about 90k miles or whenever. So, it's a live grenade waiting to go off whenever it feels like. I will not be spending that type of money on a 12 year old car again. The OBW or Outback onyx XT will be my vote for our next car.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate the comment and kind words!

[@Studio89Graphic]

About your Head Gasket Problem, our Outback has the same problem ─ but based on what I was told that the HG was made in Mexico. No Japanese Made bound to USA/Canada would have that problematic HG; perhaps get a used Low Mileage/Odometer Reading like 50,000 kms or less and about 2007 dirt cheap (of course, it is going to be Right-hand Steering Pos. ─ you can run around for another 15 years,... 😂 😂 I posted on other Comments; repost some parts here: Back in the 1990's ─ when we/I had both Camry; Honda Civic and the Subaru Legacy; (of course an Urban Turbo Peugeot French Sedan); I sold the Camry and Civic and kept the Subaru Legacy. I found subjectively that the TOC of the Subaru Legacy was out-shined other Legendary Camry or Honda and be happy with the Clearance but low in Centre-gravity of the Boxer-type Engines by Subaru. We/I could change oils by lifting the Front about 2 inches more then all it would take is 10-15 minutes and I would have 🛢 🛢 Changed and Oil Filter changed. Don't need to drive to any Oil Change Outfit or take too long like other Vehicles Brands. Sometimes from a Vacation Trip, I would change the Oils as ─ I bought bulk Oil Container and Pumped the oil from there. Our Subaru Legacy Original Timing-belt last us since 1992 to 2019 ─ The Subaru Tech/Specialist Mechanic was shocked when she was told the Belt Original ─ she said it - the Timing Belt was older than her - OMG - and we still have the Original Belt look very fine to me.

[@pedroinf23]

hi, i have a wrx 2018, do you thing the outback 2.4T is perfect for change the wrx and don't miss the performance, too much?. I think is time to get a car more taller for the adventure outdoor. Regards.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I would say it's a healthy compromise. The turbo is what makes this car.

[@belowme4927]

THE BEST "MOD" IS YOUR COMMON SENSE

[@roamingwithjosh]

agreed

[@RangerRickTV]

What's the number 1 thing to do to a car for off-roading? Tires?

[@roamingwithjosh]

That's a subjective question. Protecting your vehicle is always number one so skid plates would probably come first.

[@danielmelendez9943]

My concern for this car is the power band and the CVT, what can i expect inder load and hard acceleration. I am currently driving 2011 MDX with SH-AWD and i love it, but i hate my poor 16MPG for daily driving

[@bazaarwallah5444]

Kudos to you ...very honest review. 👍👍

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thank you!

[@CurtGodwin]

I love your honesty and candor in the video. I've owned several Subarus and currently have an Outback Wilderness. Generally, I love it... I think it looks great (interestingly, I get more comments on it than I did about my STI), it's as capable as I need it to be, and it's reliable. The only two things I dislike about it are the infotainment system (So. Very. Sluggish.) and the CVT (or, perhaps, it's more about the throttle mapping). It seems so "spongy" in full auto, but in "manual" mode, it reacts a bit better. I'd love it if Subaru had an S/I mode on it like on most of their other models. Otherwise, though, it's a great vehicle.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I appreciate your comment and agree with your opinions. I'm a big fan of the OBW and look forward to the next generation of this vehicle for our family. Thanks again!

[@GATOROC1]

Have you updated the infotainment software yet? I haven't updated mine yet, but from what I've heard, it improves the response time and isn't so sluggish. It also provides some enhanced features such as bigger buttons, seat heaters on main screen, etc.

[@CurtGodwin]

@@GATOROC1 Not yet, but it's on the list for the next service appointment.

[@TheBullseye53537]

The infotainment update rocks! Everything I felt it should have been to start with.

[@richardchandler5570]

I think you did a fantastic job explaining everything because I’ve been thinking about a Subaru cars with the price of gas. It’s still kinda gets semi OK mileage for basically get you out there but I do understand the difference between a jeep or a Toyota Tacoma so I appreciate your information information.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thank you!

[@MrDaveB123]

Im a wildlife and landscape photographer and all I want is something to get me to places in moderate wilderness locations. To add I want to have somewhere to sleep in a horizontal position if that's in the back or with a small roof top tent.I did notice it towing a small trailer . Gas is my biggest concern and the only mod I think I would do is good off road rubber like Falken WildPeaks. Been going down the truck SUV rabbit hole for so long I think this would be the happy medium

[@roamingwithjosh]

It's a solid option for anyone who has those needs. I honestly think it's one of the best options available for people like us who need to get out there, but don't need to do hardcore off-road trails.

[@Fotogoscar]

I'm too a nature/landscape photographer and considering trading my CX-5. Need more towing and off-road capabilities for those occasions. I'm mostly in the Shenandoah region and Outer Banks of NC

[@Deetroiter]

I think there's quite a few owners who don't realize that it wasn't that long ago that AWD vehicles, especially Subaru's, only averaged 21/22 mpg with highway driving if you were lucky. It's only in recent years that Subaru has some how magically gotten high-for-AWD vehicle mpg's with their technology. And considering that it's full realtime AWD and not one of those power transfer systems like many other manufacturers...of which those vehicles have even LESS mpg than the Subaru! The advertised 26hwy/21cty for a 260hp AWD SUV is REALLY good for what it is! About the 2024 model, I was JAZZED to see they finally added the Harmon Kardon system. I always felt let down that I could practically get everything I wanted on the OBW, but I couldn't get the stereo. Whereas if I bought a Forester Wilderness, I could add it to that. I have the HK on my 2020 Crosstrek Limited and I'm no audiophile, but I like having it considering how much time I spend in my vehicle. Makes it a place I like to be

[@roamingwithjosh]

I completely agree and appreciate the comment. These vehicles have really came a long way and I think for what this car is, it's an unbelievable value.

[@robfrasier9412]

Well said! Great overview. No mods for me.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on!

[@davidligon6088]

When you put larger tires on, do you account for the larger diameter when computing gas mileage? Going from 225/65R17 to 245/65R17, for instance would mean an indicated 21 mpg would actually be 21.8 mpg. So, if the car, before installing the larger tires, indicated 21.8 mpg and, after installing new tires the car indicated 21 mpg, you would actually be getting the same mpg. Similarly, an indicated 70 mph would actually be 72.5 mph.

[@roamingwithjosh]

You are correct

[@MrAKhiker]

Great video! It is so refreshing to hear an “off reader” give an honest appraisal of the effectiveness of mods on a stock vehicle. BTW for all of the “steering wheel heater haters” 😉 - I live in Minnesota. Come winter, that heater in my Forester is a godsend! Would you consider buying a ‘24 Forester Wilderness just to try something different?

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for the comment! I would not go with the forester personally. I'm not a huge fan of the way they look the outback really meets all our needs at the moment. I'm stoked on the heated steering wheel!

[@alexbanks7115]

Thank you for this video. I want the 2025 Outback wilderness as well. You really answered all the questions I had about modifying it vs leaving it stock

[@bigtoastybunz]

Take it off-roading. Do the hardest trail you think you can. You'll be surprised what it's capable of, and can judge what you'll actually need/want to put on it from there!

[@roamingwithjosh]

I'm glad it was helpful!

[@roamingwithjosh]

That is absolutely correct!

[@deenamariebehindthelens]

Enjoying your videos. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Waiting for my 2024OBW

[@roamingwithjosh]

Awesome! Thanks for the comment!

[@bubbalo3388]

Yeah I judge storage space with the seats up and still able to use the cargo cover. That is a big deal for me. Storage with seats down is secondary. Wheel set up alone can kill your mpg. I have a 2001 Yukon Xl that I slapped some larger rims and tires on and I lost about 5 miles per gallon. My tank is about 32 gallons. So I basically lost about 150 miles per tank. 😥

[@roamingwithjosh]

Agreed on the storage portion and appreciate the comment!

[@deanerbrando712]

Excellent analysis. Harkens back to that pivotal Outside Magazine online article urging Subie Outback and Crosstrek drivers to temper their enthusiasm to excessively mod these vehicles. Paraphrased: Put the roof rack basket on when you need to use it and then take it off when you don't need it. Use Falken Wild Peaks on stock 17' wheels in lieu of heavier and noisy BFG KO2s on 15 inch wheels. Sage advice.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Pretty good advice if I do say so myself. Thank you for the comment!

[@highwayman1218]

Subie family here and grew up with em as far back as 80s.... 06 STI and youngest daughter 05 Impreza wagon. She wants a new Crosstrek, but I personally tell her no with no manuals and CVT only...

[@roamingwithjosh]

You're on to something with that advice.

[@Lamidnightsss]

Funny you mention the GX and 4 runner because I’m currently car shopping and looking at all 3. The GX is my first choice but a close second is the Outback. I’m not sure what to grab.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Go GX. I have a GX also and even though the gas mileage is worse, the ride and dependability is the reason for my choice. Plus I love a good V8

[@judahnanas9772]

What about cornering at high speed @Josh? I had a 2017 Outback with the 3.6 engine and I miss it. Thinking about changing my 'trek 2024 for an OBW... but I felt that my Outback had a "boaty" feel comparing to my Trekk witch is more agile in curves... please enlight me! Thanks!

[@roamingwithjosh]

I don't notice that, but I also drive other boaty cars regularly so it may not be fair for me to answer.

[@LucklessGun]

i feel like the rearview mirror visibility loading limitation could be easily resolved by manufacturers installing rear cameras/rear view mirror replacements. if the uhaul vans have them, why not more?

[@roamingwithjosh]

That would be a great addition to the OBW

[@KenCheng]

There are already 2024 OBWs on the road, I haven't personally seen one but according to some posts in Facebook groups, some people have gotten them

[@roamingwithjosh]

That's what I'm hearing!

[@michaelanthony4763]

Picked up my 2024 OBW last Saturday. Lucky the dealer has one in their lot so traded my 2019 Crosstrek.

[@australianmade2659]

We don’t get the wilderness in Oz. I have the XT sport with Thule box. It gets me and my boys out camping on light bush tracks. It’s not a 4x4. But for a station wagon it gets me where I need. In fact I use to drive a Toyota hilux and NEVER ever locked the rear diff which just proves most 4x4 owners just don’t need the full capability

[@roamingwithjosh]

Most 4x4 owners never actually use their vehicle to its full capacity. What you gain in off road ability you lose in real world practicality. Appreciate the comment!

[@AEVMU]

How are the CVTs holding up in these?

[@roamingwithjosh]

So far so good.

[@anthonygaillard4704]

Just got my 2024 OBW yesterday. Already dreaming of the places I am going to go with it! I'm in Utah if you find yourself in Moab again soon.

[@roamingwithjosh]

We may be in Moab this weekend....

[@MrPalamarek]

My 2024 OBW is due to arrive any day now. I just found out that in Canada we no longer get any skid plates. My 2022 OBW has front, mid, and rear diff. I'm very disappointed in no skid plates as I've actually benefited from having them. Does the US version get at least the front skid plate?

[@anthonygaillard4704]

@@MrPalamarek Mine has a front skid plate for sure, but I haven't actually looked if I have any others. Seems odd they would take it out for you guys.

[@doc650adventures]

Great video man! I have a 2024 OBW reserved. Thanks for this down to earth honest description of the OBW. Best video I have seen

[@roamingwithjosh]

Glad it was helpful, dude! Congrats on the new ride!

[@doc650adventures]

@@roamingwithjosh Thanks Man! Don't have it yet but soon. Great vehickle!

[@Unknownplayer_0117]

How will it do on farm land? As far as getting out to a field every once in a while with some loose roads but my little ford maverick could handle it, I'm assuming this would do better

[@roamingwithjosh]

This would do very well and probably be more comfortable while doing it.

[@iluvdrt8776]

36K on my OBW. Lifted and beat to shit. Over 9000 miles off road, and lived in for a year touring. It's a fantastic car with a shitty radio. It is more capable than most people's abilities are ready for.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I couldn't agree more with that statement!

[@masonchristian4432]

Super helpful info. Thanks for sharing.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Anytime! Thanks for the comment

[@Roadwarrior1953]

It is what it is...a capable off road comfortable daily driver

[@roamingwithjosh]

agreed

[@bnplaza]

thanks for the honest review....I'm looking into a CrossTrec for 2024.

[@roamingwithjosh]

It's also a great ride. Thanks for the comment!