Subnautica VS Below Zero Ecological Dead Zones

[@OhKeelay]

Enjoy

[@OhKeelay]

sorry for the low quality in the darkness, I don't know how to increase quality in darkness on OBS to prevent those squares.

[@themrlemon6625]

@@OhKeelayIncrease the bit rate

[@themrlemon6625]

@@OhKeelayit will use less compression when your recording but the file size will be considerably larger. You can also record raw uncompressed video but then the file size will be HUGE

[@OhKeelay]

@ brooo I’ve been looking into this crappy quality. I increased it from 8k when the vid was made to 16k and then 20k which made no difference when I filmed the situation again. It could be CapCut but bro i can’t figure it out i spent a whole day trying to find why dark places suck, and nothing worked bro

[@OhKeelay]

@@themrlemon6625 it’s fine if the vid is huge, but no matter the bitrate I think it’s still being compressed to the same size file

[@UncaDunca]

See, the scariest thing to me isn’t a fast moving, loud deep sea giant. The scariest thing to me would be a truly ENORMOUS, super slow, silent creature that you may not even know is right on top of you until you see it emerge from the murk. Or worst of all, you don’t even realize you’ve been swallowed til you hit the inner wall of its mouth…

[@OhKeelay]

that would be very interesting. Maybe in subnautica 2

[@superbenny3520]

@@OhKeelay Can't wait to feed my friends to it :)

[@armchair69]

Holy shit this is genius hope they pull this up in Subnautica 2

[@he4to0420]

Something like Abyssal Bloop, that I saw in Red Plague

[@schlobster3929]

I agree, the neon glowing effects on the ghost leviathan made it very hard to be scared of. The void cheli however, doesn’t glow except for the eyes, far scarier imo

[@IBrowneeI]

Below Zero's a little crueler about it. Original Subnautica being a volcanic crater and such, there's a straight drop off, you know where the edge is. Below Zero just being a normal landmass just starts steadily declining downward, you're in the deadzone before any drop off of where they stopped designing the map. You can be absent mindedly collecting materials and following a decline down thinking all is fine, no drop off yet, then you suddenly hear a Cherlicerate come screaming at you.

[@epic6501]

no idea what you mean about that honestly, it's a VERY sharp drop off

[@LocalPixelArtist]

@@epic6501it is but they mean that area called worlds edge counts as void and will spawn chelis if you stay there which is a steady decline into that drop

[@pelonpeloriko9395]

@@epic6501 yeah, but not a straight wall

[@OneBiasedOpinion]

It’s not really that bad. The fear factor is severely mitigated when you have the incline as a reference point. Subnautica’s approach of “suddenly there is nothing; you have entered the Void” was _horrifying._

[@lukelyon1781]

​@@OneBiasedOpinionI can see the argument for both.

[@XDrotkon]

"ecologically dead zone" that one leviathan: I EXIST!!

[@Nelsoxds]

That's why the warning said "The prospect of survival is fast APPROACHING zero".

[@AidenWhite-sn2lc]

It means there's no life aside from the very small microorganisms and the very huge leviathan that eats the small microorganisms

[@Averagelad1]

Skibidi scants I just Shat in my pants

[@oxotniknaoleney]

That and the microbes they eat

[@folipolio3]

have you never read the PDA entry or smth?

[@dani007a]

I love how Subnautica made a filter feeder absolutely terrifying. The Ghost Leviathan isn't there to kill you because it's hungry. It's just there because it's pissed you're in its territory. Also, it's fun to see how they designed the games around the fans. In the first game players didn't know the void was dangerous. They might have been expecting an invisible wall to stop them, but the game keeps letting them go. The PDA gives an ambiguous message. And then the Ghost spawns. It's giant, it's glowing, it's terrifying. They panic. This might be the first leviathan they've encountered, apart from Reefbacks. Is it dangerous? They hesitate for a moment as they consider scanning it. But by then, it's too late and they're far from safety. Meanwhile, in Below Zero, the devs know both the players and the player character are aware of the dangers of the void. The PDA gives a straightforward warning that makes you think it might already be too late. And then you see a gigantic version of this game's Reaper. An active hunter, both very large and very hungry. There is no doubt about the danger this time.

[@ratioed1438]

The Shadow Leviathan was a better candidate for the edge in BZ

[@cm_cwastaken]

asthetically yeah, it attacks in an unsuitable way though

[@lechatrelou6393]

​@@cm_cwastakenwhat do you mean ? It would have been an absolute nightmare to be dragged deeper into the dead zone

[@cm_cwastaken]

@@lechatrelou6393 i just mean that with how it only attacks from above, which is fine in the narrowish crystal caverns, the verticality of the void means that you could just stay above it, unless it stayed on the very surface, which wouldnt look good in my opinion. additionally the chelicerate emerges from the void, only visible for a second before attacking you, is a better vibe than the neon blue blob in terms of location.

[@1DAR26]

The Shadow Leviathan is designed to be in caves. To make it work in the void may need a change in animations

[@Aiden-e4r]

THANK YOU

[@rare_wubbox694]

2:24 "here comes the tickle monster!" lookin ahh

[@folipolio3]

LMFAAAO

[@shad0wleviathan_theking]

@folipolio3it really wasnt that funny

[@BovineIntervention]

​@@shad0wleviathan_theking yes it was

[@beleneks]

​@@shad0wleviathan_thekingthank you fun police

[@shad0wleviathan_theking]

@@BovineIntervention it honestly didnt even make me laugh

[@shinobi-cp5df]

i feel like below zero was kinda lazy: they had a chance to make an interesting new leviathan for the dead zone, but just reskinned an existing one.

[@Anoobis994]

Well to be fair they did more work then regular subnautica. They just scaled up another existing leviathan

[@OhKeelay]

@@Anoobis994 ye, its just a reskin vs a scaled up. So I guess they are both lazy. I was hoping for something more like a gargantuan to attack me when first experienced the ecological dead zone

[@spicyrooster935]

I mean, at least they did reskin it.

[@shinobi-cp5df]

@@OhKeelay yeah that's what i mean the chelicerates, other than giving me a slight jumpscare, were kinda underwhelming

[@TheRealMattFromWiiSports]

​@@Anoobis994 I mean I get his point. They had the opportunity to go above and beyond the og but basically just did the same thing I see both your points

[@shadowotter3116]

The first one does it better to me. The roar of the ghost leviathan, and its sheer size and appearance will stay with you so you never want to leave the safety of the crater. The ones they use in below zero just doesn’t hit the mark like the first one did.

[@corrdox]

Never understood why people hate on BZ for not being "scary". The first one wasn't scary in any point too, so why? I personally on my first playthrough thought that there might be another island somewhere in the void, so I made around 10 trip attempts on different directions and managed to damage leviathan with a knife, because I was angry on them for destroying my seamoth

[@corrdox]

@Mykolai_Vasylyovych When I first played (I didn't even knew that was the game about alien planet) I tried to kill everything that moves. It is not scary even the first time lol

[@corrdox]

@Mykolai_Vasylyovych sorry dude, but when I first played I killed the first Reaper I met with a knife. Killed all leviathans on the map to the end of the game. Warpers didn't scare me too, I just hated them and tried to kill everytime I met them. On my first playthrough I almost immediately swam to Aurora. Maybe because I freakin' LOVE the deep sea and wanted to go as deep as I could

[@corrdox]

@Mykolai_Vasylyovych And around 20 respawns, yes

[@Alkalinus-su6sh]

​@@corrdox your clearly lying about killing the reaper with just a knife, also what people find scary is very subjective

[@htfs493]

Always annoyed me when people say the Void Chelicerates were lazy, when the void ghosts were literally just made bigger.

[@plaidhatter1674]

Now, they are HUGE, but yeah. I do like the void chellies.

[@LocalPixelArtist]

Imo it’s an equal thing. This isn’t twitter we don’t need concrete I do or don’t like this here. The ghosts are much larger and can be seen approaching slowly from a mile away you can clearly tell where death incarnate is approaching from and with its eel body it can swirl and spiral around you even if it’s just a larger ghost leviathan technically. And the chelis are almost entirely invisible difficult to see and definitely not visible when approaching at all they also can appear inland a bit if you stay near the edge making just being near the void a terrifying when your trying to see is that the void or is that just a deeper area even if it is just a reskin. Both have things to like and it’s valid to like one or the other but when people say oh bzs one is worse because reskin. It just feels like they ignore everything else because it’s a recolor. Imo the ghost is better tho but the cheli has more potential even though for some reason they made it actually weaker then the normal ones which I hate

[@LocksAndChains]

Frankly, they’re way scarier.

[@rev2178]

I feel like its more the fact that because its an expansion of the first game they had less of an excuse to not put something there

[@zero_kake]

The ghost leviathans made sense being there though, It’s a part of their life cycle. I don’t think it’s necessarily lazy.

[@MushroomStudioz]

For me the ghost is just way scarier. Not only does it feel darker in the original, but the sheer size of the ghost, it’s screams, and it’s mouth coming to you really gets me

[@shad0wleviathan_theking]

YEAAAA and the way the mouth widens while it comes straight towards u just scares tf out of me

[@maginciajaz]

I don't like how BZ's PDA warns you. Adding "The prospect for survival is fast approaching zero" is like saying "Hey, this place is scary and dangerous, you should be scared" whereas the original is much more ominous and vague. I do think the void chelicerates are a lot creepier than ghost leviathans though, at least they have a different appearance when the ghosties are just bigger. I also think people hype up the ghost leviathans WAY too much. It's literally a giant neon blue worm, the only time they're scary is when they jumpscare you lol

[@yaocomp6272]

It makes sense to me that it is like that. From the first game to BZ it's been a year and it would make sense for Alterra or other companies to have investigated the void.

[@Quaxo21]

massive purple reapers would have been so much cooler

[@Mr.PinguPingu]

ghost leviathans overall fit the void way better imo

[@TheBerylfly]

Ah cmon everyone loved "are you sure whatever you're doing is worth it"

[@maginciajaz]

@ I mean yeah, that’s a totally different voice line for a different area, so not quite the same

[@pineconehatfaludi6890]

the text coming in at 1:58 scared me

[@Void051]

Same

[@caldercockatoo2234]

You mean 1:53?

[@Alcazador]

This comment scared me because I was expecting it at 1:58

[@NickoBlanko]

Same

[@plaguenplay3516]

the original dead zone always makes me feel this primordial fear of being alone in the Abyss. reminds me of the nightmares I had when I was a kid. I was basically alone in a vast, open ocean. deep enough to the point I'm unable to see the seabed, nor do I know if there's one to begin with. and this crippling sense of panic, dread and disturbance I have when I force myself to venture into the void in subnautica for some dope photos of a comically large gummy worm is something BZ will never replicate

[@teno1k772]

With Below Zero I always felt like the map wasnt big/deep enough. Towards the end I always hoped there would be more. Felt super compressed in comparison to the original

[@OhKeelay]

yep, it took me about half the time to complete below zero than it did for subnautica

[@obsidianthegamingzorua116]

I fully understand this complaint, ii wanna say Below Zero was meant to just be DLC before being made into its own game. It basically did what Mario Galaxy 2 did.

[@laary7589]

​@@obsidianthegamingzorua116wait it's not a DLC???

[@cadettrev762]

@@laary7589No it’s an expansion. See, back in the day, dlc didn’t exist. So they put what games today would call “dlc” into a separate smaller game for cheaper and called it an expansion

[@laary7589]

@cadettrev762 they did not? They called them sequels, They would take the ideas that could not be made in time and make an entirely new game out of it where are you getting the idea that they were advertised as expansions Also DLC was definatley around by the time subnautica was out i am very confused as to your statement.

[@spicyrooster935]

even though I like the first game more, I like the PDA warning more in below zero. its feel like in the first game it was a unknown area with a more unknown threat that had to be researched. where as below zero felt like they had researched it and came to the conclusion that there was no way to survive there (outside of living in a reaper corpse i guess) and just tell you you got zero chance. I also like the appearance of the leviathan in below zero more.

[@xander6153]

You cant genuinely tell me marguiet (or however you spell it) surviving on a reaper corpse across the void for days makes sense. Thats extreme plot armor right there, a place swarming with leviathans doesn’t eat a reaper, but when I enter the deadzone its “real shit” and I Instantly die

[@spicyrooster935]

@ to be fair, the only thing in the first subnautica deadzone are ghost leviathans which are filter feeders. Maybe by the time she’d be near different ones the corpse could have been too decayed for them to want it.

[@spicyrooster935]

But then again, i feel like the ghostys just charge any non microscopic thing that comes into their territory. So maybe not.

[@troybarnes1884]

@@spicyrooster935 remember though that juvenile ghost leviathans are full fledged carnivores and even eat each other. I doubt the adults are still cannibals but I’m certain they only filter feed cause that’s all that’s available out there. I don’t know about them taking pre-killed food, but I doubt they’re very picky

[@spicyrooster935]

@ they dont seem to be interested in eating the player at the very least. Only attacking you until you leave the territory. But the juveniles do eat river prowlers and crab-squid.

[@humorouscurve9017]

Idk man I like the void in bz but imo there’s just something so cool/eerie about the ghosties, your pda warns you hey turn tf around what are you doing and then they come into view and there’s just something so beautiful about that dark dark blue against the pitch black of the void.

[@Niko0436]

for me, entering dead zone in part 1 was way more scary than in part 2. In my first ever playthrough I was piloting my cyclops exploring and trying to progress further in the game. When PDA warned me where I have just entered and when I heard the beat drop, I started holding S. The terror of not seeing anything in the abyss but the thought of abyss staring back at me made me freak out. And I also saw a funny big red dot hitting my exterior and all the alarms go off.

[@FFloof]

no idea why the algorithm brought me here but thank you for this information

[@SolarArkon]

Below Zero did it better and always will for me specifically, a big part of that is not letting the player immediately know they are in the void. The voice-line is deliberately delayed riiiiight when the void chelicerate spawns (which being unique is really cool compared to the adult ghost which is just re-used from the grand reef) gives that line so much more meaning and fear, it makes the void into an actual threat where in the first game you just... turn around almost immediately when you get the PDA message. For me personally, this happened perfectly. I was doing a no vehicle, no base hardcore run of below zero and since I had no vehicle I was staying on the surface for 02. At one point I accidentally mixed up Marguerite's icicle base location and started heading South instead of East. This eventually lead me directly into the void and even though I turned around IMMEDIATELY as the PDA notice took effect and swam full speed in the other direction I remember the void chelicerate's teeth clipping through my camera meaning it was RIGHT on my tail with no protection in a hardcore run, by far the most scared I have ever been in either subnautica game. However this was the most interesting part of the run, the game is very easy to beat hardcore without vehicles or bases otherwise and I would actually recommend it as a new fun way to play in both games.

[@leaftune4427]

I'm a bit biased toward the original due to my own story. I was venturing down the void in a seamoth, once I got the PDA notice, I saw the big ghost swimming up from the dark depths, I immediately turned and drove to the surface and just as I was about to hit the surface, my seamoth got punted high into the air and I landed back into the safe zone. It was my first time seeing a ghost leviathan, so that added a bit to the surprise. In BZ I didn't quite know I was entering void territory, so I may have accidentally rammed the shrimp with the sea bus (or I just drove close), between the PDA and realizing he was a good deal bigger, I spun and left as quickly as the sea truck allowed. Both fun in their own ways, curious to see how the sequel does it.

[@Cerejo-frito]

Also... Why people hate bz? :(

[@daffierpython7755]

I like the void chelicerwtes design, but it has no reason being in the dead zone. Ghost leviathans have all this lore about specifically why they go there, their preffered prey is the ONLY thing living there, and in grat numbers. The chelicerates are predators though, their prey as far as i know isnt there so they have no reason venturing there let alone living there. Im not quite sure what they eat, but i feel shadow leviathans would fit much better given their black skin. Maybe their lore would be they ambush animals venturing too far into the void but they dont live there

[@Mykolai_Vasylyovych]

No leviathan is scarier than Ghost, after you know it never stops growing. Its possible for them to grow bigger than Gargantuans if they have enough food…

[@lembarkii8669]

It's still scarier than ghost leviathans tho

[@Mykolai_Vasylyovych]

@ Read my comment.

[@boi2192]

The point at which a creature is no longer physically capable of sustaining itself is calling. At some point the vital organs would have to be bigger than the ghost itself, thats why theres a limit. The gargantuan is a fun concept, but kind of bullshit.​@@Mykolai_Vasylyovych

[@Mecceldorf]

I agree, I'd support their inclusion and say the really old and big "elder" chelicerates skirt around the arctic edge for its space and distribution across sector zero, hunting prey from the outskirts in and maybe blockading ghosts from approaching their turf, but they don't migrate across the void.

[@ijneb1248]

The void chelicerate always sneaks up on me its terrifying

[@Eli-h3m]

0:36 jumpscare warning

[@skatebrosandfreinds7538]

Thanks

[@PretendOrwastakensoshedidthis]

I love you, random stranger:)

[@demonchildDLC]

Thanks, saved me from shitting out my heart

[@a.s.raiyan2003-4]

The Below Zero PDA voice sounds like she works in a call centre or customer service

[@maybefunny]

The scariest part by far is how god damn slow the seaglide is in bz

[@velocityracer110yd7]

I like the more vague warning of Subnautica's PDA. Being an ecological dead zone should indicate that nothing is out there and nothing can hurt you, but lo and behold, there is very much something that can hurt you. In contrast, BZ's PDA essentially saying "you're about to die" just feels so much less impactful. On that note, Ghosts have so much more of a presence than Void Chelicerates. I like the design of the Void Chelicerate a lot, but they don't feel as dangerous or overwhelmingly massive in comparison to the Ghost leviathans of Subnautica. The first time I ever encountered a Ghost Leviathan in Subnautica it nearly cost me my Cyclops. In Below Zero, the first time I encountered the Void Chelicerate I lost around 30% of my seatruck's hp before turning around and puttering away. It might be because I was expecting it in Below Zero, but it still could've been better.

[@plaidhatter1674]

I love the void chellies. They feel so much more intimidating than a scaled up ghost leviathan. They also don't glow as much, so seeing them jump out at you from the darkness is genuinely horrific.

[@LucyWest370]

True! I just wish it made sense for them to be there, you know?

[@FrostyTheCookie]

@LucyWest370 I mean they are rare mutations of regular chelis, I don't think they need much of a reason because they aren't really supposed to exist. They probably are slowly dying out there, they just live out there because of their mutation and probably suffering.

[@AceFaz]

​@@FrostyTheCookie Them being "Mutated" doesn't exactly explain why they'd openly choose to live in a place with no food, rather than a place With food.. but ok.

[@Cerejo-frito]

⁠@@AceFaz Maybe they got banned because of the mutation

[@AceFaz]

@@Cerejo-frito Wdym "Banned"..? They are bigger and stronger than Normal Chelicerates, and could easily over power them.

[@AlphaTrout]

They should’ve just put the shadow in the void. Not only would it be scarier, it makes more sense for it to be out there. WTF is jumbo shrimp gonna eat

[@OhKeelay]

agreed

[@meepling]

i'm crying at jumbo shrimp

[@windlybandibunbrother4670]

I think it’s cool how they did it in early access for below zero where the dead zone was actually quite shallow, because it matched the leviathan much better for that to be to the case

[@redengineer4521]

That thumbnail really gets me for some reason especially the bz side

[@redfrog1628]

Being able to hear the shrimp demons well before you can see them is very unnerving to me. Like if you just go to the edge but don't actually go into it, you can hear them howling in the distance.

[@LIGHTNINGTD-hi3ud]

Void Chelicerate is 65m or 213ft Ghost Leviathan cant stop growing but most of them are 107m or 351ft

[@boi2192]

Considering that subnautica doesnt seem to care about natures boring ass size limit, i would guess that the explenation would be something along the lines of - at the point of being around 107 meters long the ghosts are so old, that they no longer grow, as they are basically waiting to die of old age.

[@AceFaz]

​@@boi2192 Or, more likely, the bigger ones are Just Not near the crater.. we know they Leave the crater once they get Big enough, so make sense that they'd continue moving away from it, for more open waters deeper into the void.

[@Elkay_J]

Say what you want about BZ, but the chalicerate's visual design is perfection! Exactly what i would expect an alien seamonster to be, especially this void variant. Absolutely terrifying to look at.

[@E.V.A.N-COProductions]

Perfection..? It just looks like.. A zombie chalicerate.

[@ship_legal]

i think bz is scarier, void chelicerate its just so unsettling to me

[@falcoon_f_zero9450]

I'm the opposite. When I start to make out the outline of the ghost leviathan's head coming out of the darkness it fills me with a different level of panic than the Chelicerates are able to. Maybe it's their scale that does it.

[@unsightlyagent1471]

How cool would it be if they had a giant monster emerge its head out from the depths and chomp down on you

[@boi2192]

I prefer below zeros version, because it makes a bit more sense to me. There is no in game explenation as to why the ghosts just kind of stop at 107 meters despite theoretically having no size limit, meanwhile in below zero, its basically just old, decaying chelicerates that feed off of whatever they can find, knowing that the younger, healthier and more agile chelicerates would obliterate them.

[@caldercockatoo2234]

I don’t think the ghost leviathan stops growing at 107 meters, we just never see larger ones since they’d probably be much further out in the ocean.

[@cadettrev762]

Same reason we see lobster and jellyfish remain the same size despite also technically being biologically immortal. People like to think that ghosts will just grow to garg sizes, when the realistic situation would be they just cap around 107 m because that’s when growth lessens, or they’re just super old and about to die by then. They’re not growing forever, they’re just growing until they die to natural causes

[@samanthot_]

​@@cadettrev762adding onto that, they also wouldn't have enough energy to sustain their bodies if they got any bigger

[@fuzzydude64]

@@samanthot_ maybe but the gargantuan leviathan sort of undermines that point, doesn't it? it is or was certainly possible for things to grow bigger

[@-someguywhoisadegeneratefo1487]

@@fuzzydude64That would be a good point if not for the fact that the Garg is no longer alive. I’m not sure if they are extinct, but it clearly was not able to continue surviving at its size. A creature of that size is likely unsustainable. Which explains why creatures much smaller than it are still capable of living off the environment. Would be cool if we did get creatures that big though.

[@anitakiedrowska4422]

2:18 WHAT is that thing (I haven't played below zero

[@klydenzenor9534]

It's your mom

[@anitakiedrowska4422]

@klydenzenor9534 your mum jokes in the big 24 huh. You must be 7 years old or smth

[@ruffruggednraw]

@@klydenzenor9534that’s just bad comedy bozo

[@Devaisgoat]

​@@anitakiedrowska4422big 25💀

[@meepling]

Void Chelicerata/rate :D

[@DesolateVoid999]

Oh the subnautica one terrifies me. It's just a steep decent into an endless abyss. Below Zero however just feels like a generic baseplate ending.

[@bearflipstable8365]

It is scary when they come outta no where but I think it’s way cooler when you see it slowly heading your way outta the dark.

[@N_Sweet_Drone]

I hear a lot of people say that BZ did it better when the Chelicerates was in the dead zone yet it’s history for being out in the void doesn’t make any sense while with its scare factor all it does is just sneak up on you which is just annoying. Original Subnautica had an explanation about the Ghost Leviathan growing in size which is based on sea life in real life. The Ghost Leviathan didn’t need no sneak attack all it needed was for you to look straight at it and see the grim reapers in there eyes.

[@bluckstack938]

Below Zero feels so much like an unfinished game its insane

[@dkyt7967]

cause it was meant to be a dlc but for some reason it came out as a full game

[@bluckstack938]

@@dkyt7967 Even as DLC it would have felt incomplete.

[@dkyt7967]

@@bluckstack938 tbh as a dlc it would be good, i've seen dlc's with a lot less content and worse

[@plaidhatter1674]

It feels very clean imo. It just wasn't as large as the base game.

[@vahdoom]

IT went through development hell and multiple re-writes, watch some of the beta footage, its a completely different game with the sister alive and on a space station talking to you.

[@starnetic7779]

the craziest thing about hte below zero one is that the creature is damaged heavily meaning either they are cannibals or there is even worse perdators in there

[@ethancolbourne5908]

Detecting multiple leviathan class lifeforms in the region, Are you sure what you are doing is worth it?

[@EJSweaty]

Am I the only one who thinks that the second you enter the void, having the leviathan just charge you aka meaning you know it’ll be there takes away from the horror of it stalking you. I’d rather worry about it than know it’s there

[@HezrouDhiaga]

subnautica did it better because it's eerie and scary and they look cool af and you aren't expecting it. Below Zero, it's crueler, not as scary and just straight up "we don't want you here." rather than "You can be here, but you're going to hate very moment of it." One is memoerable, the other isn't.

[@ChaseddiHondo]

I want the next leviathan they make to be bobbit worm-inspired

[@8bitbumps]

I heard this in another video and I fully agree-- The leviathans in below zero feel much less significant because they are, on average, significantly smaller. That's quite clear in this, with even the ghost leviathan's head being around the size of a multipurpose room. That scale just doesn't translate over to below zero

[@bonic7217]

I hope they make a unique void leviathan in subnautics 2 While creatures in the crater are limited in their size and appearence by the enviorment they inhabit. The void gives complete freedom of expression.

[@avadoksorem2854]

I have to give the trophy to the void chilicerates. Ghost leviathans have a certain beauty to them, but the chilicerates are utterly gargantuan with massive hit boxes with those mandibles. They look almost zombified with all that scar tissue and are much more relentless than the ghosts. They’ll tear your seatruck apart much faster than the ghosts would wreck a Seamoth. If you want to see how relentless they are, position yourself on a high enough position above the sea. They will stick their heads out of the ocean with mandibles flailing and *never stop or turn away until you leave* . Like living meat grinders waiting for you to fall in.

[@G_UZI]

Im so proud of you bro one of your vids blew up

[@OhKeelay]

thanks man, i might do some subnautica saturday type of vids that compare the two games. For tomorrow I got one comparing the speed in the games

[@G_UZI]

@@OhKeelay u also got so many subs like I swear u had 30 a few days ago

[@OhKeelay]

@@G_UZI yea this gave me around 80 subs💀

[@G_UZI]

@OhKeelay I might have to make a similar vid since I have about the same subs as u before u released the vid

[@OhKeelay]

@@G_UZI LOL go for it, I can't make super high quality vids in the dark as seen in this one(it got all blocky). Im sure yours can do better.👍

[@-Fumetsu]

personally, below zero fumbled. it should have been the shadow leviathan getting a grip of you and dragging you to the bottom.

[@JustGarbo14]

Something interesting about Below Zero is that you see the leviathan hurted, like something tried to eat them before you come there

[@Crispierbug]

IMO Below Zeros is more terrifying, you can only see them when they are very close to you and they just come from the pitch black void with their mandibles flailing to get you.

[@GuyWhoPlaysPilgrammed]

there was going to be a cut biome in this game called the “Single Cell Biome” where it was pitch black and there would be just one giant creature throughout all the zone trying to drag you down i feel like this would’ve made a better void

[@gamerhd133]

If you stay close enough to the wall of the void in Subnautica.. the ghost won't spawn

[@HLB60276]

As somebody who first experienced the void staying super close to the wall, i had 4 attack me 🥲

[@Tiialosu]

@@HLB60276 If I remember correctly there are only 3 ghost leviathans at the same time in the void 😞 but considering how it could be stressful, I can see how you thought you saw 4 of them

[@HLB60276]

@@Tiialosu i should have mentioned not all at once lol, could have easily been the same 1-2, but i definitely noticed varying sizes

[@Alkalinus-su6sh]

After a certain depth they still spawn

[@jeremybree1986]

@@HLB60276 They should all be the same size.

[@MadProphet-iu9ke]

I like the Ghost Leviathan being in the void more than I do the Void Chel’s, but I do like the design of the latter. I just feel like there could’ve been more to distinguish it from a regular chelicerate besides its reskin and its size. Maybe a unique attack to it?

[@DrFouFou]

I love how the Chelcates ambush you, rather than rush head on like the Ghost does. Tells me they really thought about this game while they made it, even if it wasnt as good.

[@DarkBlqze77777]

Holly shyeet, it came from above, that scared thesyett outa me.. 😹😅

[@MyBedIsInAWall]

When below zero was in development I was hoping they would put shadow leviathans in the void or make a new one for it but sadly they didn’t

[@klydenzenor9534]

Bro the fact that's in the video in below zero it says, entering dead zone survivability is almost zero than instill jumpscare

[@Bakedpotatovr2011]

Subnautica was just more iconic

[@EpicGamesD]

For a place so scary, legit most of my titanium and quartz runs go to east dropoff.

[@NobuIsBack]

Subnautica 2 deadzone with the new leviathans 💀

[@OhKeelay]

Yea im gonna have to make a vid on that lol

[@DrPebis]

Both forced me to change my pants equally

[@OhKeelay]

💀

[@Nuelthebro]

what dissapoints me for both subnautica is they don't put squid or octopus monster like in either both games ye i know dragon, emperor and crabsquid has tentacle and squid like body, but still... i think they should've take something from kraken or cthulhu

[@OhKeelay]

hey, hopefully in subnautica 2. Ive never seen one of their trailers look so good like that one.

[@Tokyoprism]

Imo below zeros is scarier. The creature just feels more tangible. The ghost leviathan is cool, but idk about scary

[@R-R_Playz]

Many horror games haven't scared me in all my years of playing them, Subnautica got me, scares the hell out of me, making me fear for my Cyclops that I might destroy it, see something I really didn't want to or get myself running from who the f*ck knows what

[@Jellybamhellyram]

I think both games are made very well about the void subnautica likes to make it terrifying by making a steep edge off the border of the map and launching ghost leviathans at you and below zero adds whatever those red leviathans are and reskin them into a darker colour to blend in with the dark and surprise you silently the devs weren’t lazy they were actually pretty smart when making the void just thalasophobic in both games

[@agustinsmania5270]

below zero does scale so much better the ghost is meant to be 100 meters yet looks sueper small when compared to the chelicerate who is only 65 or so meters, seeing a ghost with the correct scale would be so fucking amazing

[@berdlyvr9258]

I love the ghost leviathan it's my favorite creature but the void chelicerate is so much scarier in my opinion

[@_shenanigans_8337]

People in the comments saying which game is better than the other meanwhile im just here loving both games so damn much. Below Zero is amazing, and so is the first game. Im just a big lover of Specilulative Zoology and the Ocean

[@potentiallyunfunnyguy9716]

doesn't it also not make sense for the Chelicerate to be there? like Chelicerates are carnivores, they need prey to feed on, especially if they grow that large. I like the weathered, almost zombie-like reskin quite a bit. A 'dead zone' would not exactly be rich in prey-animals to sustain such a large being. (or maybe the implication is that Chelicerates that get too big go there to die? Kind of an elephant-graveyard situation?) For the ghost leviathan it makes sense, they eat plankton and because of their size they are very territorial as any competition for plankton to eat means potential starvation. So in an ecological deazone they would conceivably still be able to eat the things that are too small for the player to see. Ah well, good video! love the editing.

[@ruffruggednraw]

No Thing from the Abyss?

[@NicolasZ-ko1yq]

they know me as the rizzler

[@thepeytondog]

Personally, if Below Zero’s was a totally new leviathan but still held the idea of the Chelicerate, it would be better than the original’s. I prefer the fear of not being able to see which direction the leviathan is, nor the leviathan itself till its close enough to kill. The ghost leviathan is very noticeable.

[@camera-is-me2606]

This is imo one of the things BZ does better than the original. I like the original better overall but i think BZ is still a great game.

[@duoiskurogane7832]

A big ahh shrimp wont scare me lol

[@klydenzenor9534]

Untill

[@PizzaWarrior29]

The void chelicerate is miles better than the normal ones in terms of looks and even ai (since they are always locked on you, compared to their red cousin). If they were to remodel one of those I hope they leve the void ones like they are.

[@pelonpeloriko9395]

conclusion, the bigger the better

[@Leostar-Regalius]

i still say the shadow leviathan would've been perfect for the void in below zero

[@lost-Eclipse]

below zero feels like your somewhere you shouldnt be, the og feels like your in the open ocean, both work REALLY well, but they borh give off different vibes

[@lukelyon1781]

I feel like Below Zero's world was prettier with more varied and interestingly designed wildlife and biomes. But I feel like original Subnautica's world and wildlife was A LOT scarier and more hostile.

[@OhKeelay]

very true

[@hallowedbeyourdays]

A lot of the fear factor of Below Zero is kneecapped due to players knowing what type of thing they can expect, that far from safety. The Void Chelicerates as a design feel like the makers of the game were trying too hard, and in the process ruined the precise kind of impact that seeing a huge, fully grown creature in specifically the environment it thrives in coming after you. Comes off as just seeing a huge dolphin with a crab claw for a jaw, when the player takes damage. The fear factor is further weakened by how slow and sluggish BZ feels in comparison to the first, as well. Gutless and non-committal are the words to describe this sequel.

[@RussianSpy4632]

You can’t show this without including the ice worms

[@OhKeelay]

just did, also this is the ecological dead zones not the ice land place

[@CookedTrout]

Ice worms don't spawn in the void mate...I don't think he could make this video with ice worns

[@WILMANGO681]

IMO the scariest thing to in the whole series is the void chelicarate it is just so gross to look at and creepy especially with the updated water graphics and how hard it is to see in the water

[@rustkarl]

I find the original’s Leviathan designs to be considerably better. The Ghost is looks eerie enough to be haunting, sounds terrifying and acts like a graceful yet brutal monster. The Chelicerate just tends to look silly flailing about. I was expecting a horror of the deep, not Zoidberg’s basement dwelling cousin.

[@davidvargas6500]

I mean i found below zero's scarier due to its design, ghost leviathans never really hit like that...

[@Demeamonsupernew]

Wait,this is the void of below zero? Pretty sure i saw a clip or something where this was a lot of a centipede type leviathan idk that just spinned and killed you

[@ItsMadLadSir]

Dude… *what are they gonna do in the sequel?*

[@OhKeelay]

soon bro soon, first half of 2025 will be early release, but we know how subnautica is with early release...

[@Markmen-cw8dj]

Below Zero leviathans don’t have that same fear factor, they just seem like big fish. Subnautica leviathans look like actual monsters

[@isaacnikolic5895]

Its a fair point that Subnautica just made an existing Leviathan bigger when it was creating the dead zone. However theres a few important counter points. 1.) Lost river is towards the end of the game. You dont encounter the ghost first in the lost river youre far more likely to encounter it in the void because you got curious about whats in the deadzone. (The counterarguememt to this is that you could have just seen one in the other deep biomes first like the bulbs or mushrooms but these are still later game areas or areas where its a rare chance to see a ghost). 2.) Despite being a size increase and so not a creative creature, the size of void ghosts makes them absolutely incredible compared to the smaller bellow zero counterparts. And the void being so dark and lifeless makes their glowing bodies really stand out and feel like ghosts appearing from the dark to get you. 3.) The ghosts are easier to avoid, making them a cool boss system for the end of the map. If youre clever enough you can go for km without dying in a seamoth or even a cyclops sometimes. This is also true in BZ but from what ive seen its harder to do that.

[@ajpoland1094]

For me, I’ll always be of the opinion the original did the void better than bz, since I feel like the bioluminescence of Ghost Leviathans make the vibes way more eerie and unsettling than Void Chelicerates do, plus I personally just find Ghost Leviathans more intimidating as a presence than Void Chelicerates.

[@RedKingMTX]

nice

[@Explainar0]

I perfer below zeros, if the void chelicerates was more detailed differently, like more mandibals or some kind of change to the plating

[@amoguspen]

anyone else think theres a gargantuan leviathan somewhere in the undiscovered deepest depths of the sea?

[@plaguenplay3516]

please do not, I'm gonna be afraid of ocean as a concept if that happens

[@ProjectWasHere]

Is no one talking about the fact that they are slowly reviving this game ? , also orgininal looks a bit better than below zero but not too sure

[@rapidmagic0705]

I think the Chelicerates are just kind of boring leviathans anyways, so the OG one is better IMHO

[@clayless8701]

the glow makes the ghosts not that scary for me tbh I like the chelicerates better

[@Bluer_Gamez]

woah

[@Den-s7c]

I think the original one is better. The fast amd rapid darkness around you makes you feel uneasy and like you are not supposed to be there.

[@Shopkeeper99900]

Originals is better.❤

[@Saul_the.goodman]

The original game in general ye it's better but in just this vids context below zero takes the dub that leviathan is way scarier

[@Mykolai_Vasylyovych]

@@Saul_the.goodmanYou said Void Chelicerate is scarier than Ghost Leviathan?

[@Saul_the.goodman]

@Mykolai_Vasylyovych ye I might have gotten used to them tho, though, they don't really have scarry characteristics, No doubt I still don't wanna mess with one

[@Saul_the.goodman]

@@Mykolai_Vasylyovych I also haven't played the original in a while, I'm playing below zero currently, and some of the stuff is still new, I still prefer the original

[@Mykolai_Vasylyovych]

@@Saul_the.goodman There’s one thing you probably don’t know. Ghost leviathans in lore of Subnautica never stop growing. Just like Gargantuans. If they would get enough food - they would grow up to 10km+.