Subtle Energies and Healing: Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogue 55

[@johnkraner2892]

There is profound Sanity here. Thank you.

[@bdcavedweller]

thoroughly enjoyed the balanced perspective you both brought to this intriguing and fascinating topic. cheers

[@fekete-kiss-sandor]

At last, I am so happy for mentioning the word use of “quantum”, “energies”, as a form if explaining but not knowing a clue about them! It”s a kind of woosoo language in scientific dusguise.Thanks!!!

[@rblibit]

Yes, you alluded to it, and I am SURE that the eyes and hands can and do focus energy (or information?), either from the "field" or from the "body" (inline with in my beliefs it is from the energetic being incarnated within the human avatar in cooperation with the field) for a variety of purposes and uses. Healing would be one of the most important and most often used of them all! I absolutely love your conversations because they are non-confrontational and they bring up so many important concepts and ideas, which is excellent! It's like I am shopping for ideas and concepts to ponder, and I get to pick from only the "top shelf" products! .

[@brenbesser52]

Thank you Mark and Rupert for your wonderful podcast series. I particularly enjoyed this episode on subtle energies. Through the lens of the Electric Universe, I have a different understanding of Quantum Physics, and I appreciate your comments on that subject. I love your explanation of the possible relationship of the morphic field to chakras. Researching online, as a result of the pandemic, I have recently learned more about the disagreement between Pasteur and Bechamp and that the 'germ theory' may be a cover story for the true cause of disease, toxins. I already knew, from the work of Dr. Suzanne Humphries, that Smallpox was not eradicated by vaccines, and I've come to understand that viruses are not contagious nor infectious, but in fact, may be a subtle form of communication to warn of health threats, as suggested by Dr. Thomas Cowan.

[@sadhu7191]

Have you read the secret life of plants?

[@roxanail9843]

love the talk! before aspirin we used willow bark, better properties, no adverses :)

[@timd8912]

Thank you.....

[@dr.johnpaladinshow9747]

As a Doctor of Oriental Medicine, I have given a great deal of thought as to the nature of Qi (chee). I describe it as, "A discreet form of energy that has aspects of the various known forms of energy while being, singularly, NOT wholly any of them." Light, electro-magnetism, sound, even thought can have an effect on Qi. From a bio-mechanical view, Qi can be thought of as emanating from the ATP cycle in cells, although that does not fully describe the nature of Qi. It also seems that Qi is an all pervading field rather than a local phenomena; possibly quantum in it's source. I've also postulated that the "meridians are a link to this quantum field. The details of this idea are complicated, but basic meridian theory tells us that the system branches into ever finer and smaller collateral channels so as to reach every cell in the body. I merely take that branching as continuing all the way down to the Planck scale. Sort of like the roots of a tree that become smaller and finer as they reach into the ground; only infinitely so. The concept of Qi has been around for thousands of years, yet is only in the past 50 years or so that we have been able to think about looking at this from a scientific and reductionist view. Many have tried to mechanically measure or generate Qi, but without definitive results. We can show that meridians exist in the classic map by way of galvanic skin response and there is evidence that shows the existence of polarized chains of water molecules along the traditionally charted lines and points, so there is some progress in showing an actual "structure" for the meridians. While often scoffed at and denigrated, a complete acupuncture theory of practicum has been around for millennia and would not have survived to the extent that it has if it wasn't effective. Mysterious? Yes Unfathomable? No I've no doubt that if enough money was put to the task, we could discover the nature of Qi and, I suspect, that that might reveal some new insight into the true nature of being. In reference to the Yin (matter) and Yang (energy) model of how Qi functions, I see the body (or anything, really) as an energetic "wireframe" (akin to morphic field?) upon which the flesh and blood (or wood... even stone) are constructed. It was this view that ultimately led me to conclude that there is a basic and functional quantum root, if you will, to Qi and it's attendant properties. Hope to have a book out on this in the near future... stay tuned.

[@KARMASOUNDZ]

Id read it

[@dr.johnpaladinshow9747]

@@KARMASOUNDZ Thanks. Here is a link to my new (real) channel, Natural Primary Care. I will actually be discussing aspects of this in the next couple of weeks or so. (or as soon as my new microphone arrives ;-) (Covid really interrupted our premier) I'll be taking viewers through a fairly comprehensive presentation of Oriental Medicine (and the quantum nature of it) over the next year or two. Basic theory - Qi, yin/yang, meridian/point theory, herb/formula theory, Even diagnostics and treatment strategies and more Not exactly the full DOM curriculum, but... almost. Subscribe & click the notification bell so you don't miss installment #1 "Yin / Yang". kzbin.info/door/vhiVGF3dsWvpQ5aLz08zBg One (1) of the first 10 (ten) subscribers who leaves a comment or question will receive a T-shirt or a sample of one our herb formulas... their choice!! You can check out the T's, tonic formulas and other info at our website. natural-primary-care.com I'm also on twitter and facebook... Thanks again!!

[@marinkas5923]

I do a lot of kinesiology techniques, some are more mechanical (apllied kinesiology, miofascial stuff, receptor corrections) and some are more about subtle energies (like the one called "kinergetics"). Works really great, on myself and with clients. The more subtle work can be done over distance via phantom, kinda like in reiki. Still works ;)

[@dertiger1]

Wouldn't it be amazing if sceptics were more open to experiment and research? A great example is William Bengston, who has had amazing results and who is himself a sceptic.

[@mantecafoo1]

Yes it would be amazing. The Main thing holding us back from progress. WTF is the point of being a "skeptic" anyway, that just defines you as a person who denies plausible possibilities. Being Skeptical about Stuff is important. but people who label themselves as skeptics, literally means they are closed minded

[@carolinarosario6355]

Coulf it be possible that morphic genetics fields in humans are affected by electromagneetic fields formed by wifi, mobiles, all kind of electronic devices and this could disconnect or interfere our healing capacities? Thank you, Carolina from Madrid, thinking about the global epidemy in the global digital era

[@mantecafoo1]

For sure.

[@RedIndra]

To be honest. I work with the field (Hellinger therapy) it can only be explained with Sheldrake's theory and I think that it should not interfere as they are totally different type of fields.. at least in my opinion.

[@stefspijk]

A podcast about the Corona pandemic would be highly interesting... and perhaps also needed 🙏

[@humanelectromagneticpsych7960]

Thought Experiment Question from Novice: If Universe is filled with *plasma* (4th state ofmatter) i.e. everyone/thing 'swimming' in ionized 'GAS OCEAN', could suspended 'particles' be moved by cosmic WAVES? Polarized/depolarized carries cosmic info...?

[@redjasper2443]

Why have I known the feelings that something is happening but don’t catch on until it has happened, regarding death

[@mantecafoo1]

Thats Intuition. the problem there is How much are you in touch and trust your intuition, and be able to understand what that intuitive feeling is that you are having at that moment, Practice Noticing your intuition as it happens and trust it.

[@keithybrinson7804]

Taking the observer into account = breaking the fourth wall 🙏🏿👍🏾

[@theempyrean1227]

When the mind is still you can notice the air going in & out through your nostrils.

[@mantecafoo1]

by that do you mean, you can feel as if the air going in and out your nostrils is just as much a part of your nose as your actual nostrils. if not, then my mind is always still because i can always notice air going in and out my nostrils, lol

[@theempyrean1227]

@@mantecafoo1, You're right there is no "I" when this occurs.

[@slfriend]

🙏🏼❤️🙏🏼❤️MAHALO!! 🙏🏼❤️🙏🏼❤️

[@garycleave9565]

What's real What's not Is reality just objective physicality Or is it really shared subjectivity If you see what I see And we agree It's real If you sense what I sense And we have consensus It's real Now imagine an earth without you and me Or any of our kind With a mind inclined to find Would the ground and all around cease to be Or would the only thing missing be What we call reality

[@pauloansiaesmonteiro7987]

Maybe the evolutionary medecine could answer, why we need high performative healing treatments to triger the placebo effect.

[@Messier45_Pleiades]

The smallpox vaccine was eventually outlawed because it cause outbreaks of the disease. How disappointing you are, Rupert.

[@marinkas5923]

Did you research this work by Dean Radin? kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIO2c5SnaNt0m7s Basically that is an example of how human though can directly change the way a particle behaves. They have a variation of double-slit experiment where the human observer is thinking of skewing particles to one of the slits. And it worked actually.

[@MrsDickkopf]

🙌🙏⭐

[@mfr58]

Quantum theory is esoteric mysticism, an ether model does the job without all the particle nonsense...there are no such things as photons, waves or other billiard balls...there is one field that gives rise to different forms of its own behaviour...like water can be liquid, ice, steam or EZ....wave is a verb not a noun....

[@arzoo_singh]

Energy as some kind of force used by US defence . Kind of scalar weapon .

[@benreece7640]

Quantum theory is no good. Just an excuse for materialism. See Ken Wheeler for the good information. Theoria Apophasis channel on KZbin. Peace.

[@babyl-on9761]

OK non-duality - therefore spiritual healing, god, salvation, barking dogs - baloney. I all for no-duality, that does not justify or show or imply anything supernatural, especially god. It is a totally unjustified to suggest that non-duality in any way shows the existance of god or anything else that is super natural/super universal.

[@dennismason3740]

Rupert, dude, Vernon, really?