Why Do People LOVE Tornado Shot?

[@subtractem]

Small correction: additional proj doesn't affect secondary projectiles. It just gives you additional primary proj which then always "explode" into 3 (or 4 with helm enchant) secondary proj. It's still one of the best single scalars for TS.

[@ncc1709]

do you happen to have a 5-10 div version of the build? (or 20-30) no mageblood /omni mirror stuff

[@borgnisnestorrodrigo8499]

@@flip_shifty its not that bad

[@lifealchemy1218]

@@ncc1709Omni is generally kinda core/bare minimum for TS if not most bow builds (that aren’t dex stacking or other, equivalently expensive archetypes) I’m not saying subtractem can’t make a 5-10 div budget version, the guys a flippin genius, but also… it’s possible that this isn’t really an “on a budget” build if you want it to be bearable to play

[@JanjayTrollface]

Hope you get a chance to get outta the city while in NZ. Regardless, let me extend to you the most hearty of welcomes to our humble isles *8 )

[@pTk91]

@@ncc1709 i wouldnt recommend.. go lightning arrow in that case.

[@rtc2323]

Yes please, do a series on "why is this skill so popular?"

[@TheModdedwarfare3]

​@@flip_shiftystill waiting on a meta conversion trap build

[@Kumoii]

@@flip_shifty I mean my eDPS Tornado Shot fucks all content & did up to.. Wave 25-26 Simulacrum without like practically any investment except for Bow Lol And I don't even have a Rampage + Tornado Bow. I also don't even have a HH, I do have a Inspired Learning but das it. Got about like 7-10mil dps with a 1.3k eDPS bow. Also got 10 arrows without a +2 arrow bow or a +1 arrow Quiver. So 1 arrow fires 3 additional proj. With helm enchant it gives 4 instead of 3. So you get 40 additional secondary projectiles which those can shotgun & is why Tornado Shot typically remains as one of the best/THEE best bow skill

[@Kumoii]

I also have nearly 200 Proj speed on mine. Oh! And mine isn't an Omni variant either

[@Kumoii]

@@flip_shifty It does because THIS is peak Tornado Shot. This is the end goal for EVERYONE that plays Tornado Shot. Cause most people will go from Lightning Arrow, MF with it to farm the currency to either buy Phys to Cold convert TS or this kind of Omni TS. Then you have people like me, who're minimalist who love even just the eDPS version of TS. No one is going to show the process if getting a TS build up & running. We alrrady have plenty of those kinds of videos with Grimro primarily & Fuzzy Duckzy

[@dighno89]

Imagine he makes an int stacker or a 5way carry. I bet that would be fun but then again int stacker isnt as Popular as TS

[@snoobae8553]

I have just one word to describe this video: MAJESTIC

[@dighno89]

😂😂 the tornado shot Master himself😂❤

[@opus_X]

I really hope that you make this into a series. It's a really good video that breaks down the concepts of the build in a very digestible manner. I haven't really seen these types of PoE videos on KZbin, and haven't really found another platform that does this, yet. It's really interesting to learn stuff like this, even after having played for a lot of hours.

[@Adoptulous]

Farmed my first mirror from scratch this league to mirror Sushi's 0 cost bow on a TS magic finder that eventually got so juicy it could do all Uber bosses with good dodging. In love with this skill!

[@pitoriex7757]

Would love to see a full Phys to Cold TS Build Guide. Most Guides show Elemental LA and then kinda drop you to figure upgrades out yourself. Would be really interested to see a crafting guide for Phys TS items. Great video as always!

[@Takeboshi123]

/watch?v=ThfkTk_AjZc I've followed this guide and had amazing time this league. I'm missing mirror tier bow, quiver and rings but still was skipping phases on uber bosses.

[@vxzczczx4905]

​@@Takeboshi123how much did your build cost?

[@vxzczczx4905]

@@Takeboshi123 thanks my guy would cut off some thing since my budget is kinda low but thanks tho

[@Ilyak1986]

Ultimately, at the very high end, I think bows are kind of just cracked for PvE because at some point, damage stops mattering entirely (crazy high delve depths notwithstanding, which is its own meta that's basically defined by manabond hierophant and boneshatter juggs, if I'm not mistaken), so once the damage stops mattering, then coverage is the name of the game, and tornado shot, as you demonstrated, has obscene coverage. I'm not sure how that compares to Lightning Arrow, though. Also, FWIW, the "cast tornado on tshot" crucible tree thing can be replicated with CoC tornado in a manaforged setup. I.E. frenzy-manaforged-PCoC-CoC-Tornado-culling strike, but the coc/tornado does take up two links which could be used for a curse setup, blind, hydrosphere, etc.

[@reality657]

LA has even better clear, especially due to Vengeant Cascade but does require some aiming and has slightly less damage from the lack of shotgunning effect. The 50% convert to lightning makes it subpar at abusing hatred aura effect.

[@JTD472]

@@reality657I don’t see how you can say LA has better clear. Just as good, maybe. I’m nitpicking but yeah :)

[@WebnewsCelebrities]

that "ugh" at 0:46 connected to my brain. Also, tornado shot ftw. also yes

[@SuperLPGaming]

I never have the patience to reach this level of powerhouse, but i do love see these content!!

[@jakubmucha6629]

If you only show us, noobs how to start this journey from 20-30 Div only - I'm in. Plus: I'm super happy to see PoE stuff back on your channel!

[@Pharmeca]

he did say watch Fuzzy, he has low budget build there

[@decodiazHD]

Don’t know about for this league cuz I haven’t had time to play due to work but last league fuzzyduckzy had a guide starting at 10 div I used it to farm all the way up to 100 ish divines investment into the build with 50 or so spare that I was saving for a hh that ended up never happening

[@satibel]

a friend leaguestarted as tornado shot, it's actually fairly good.

[@deleno7290]

you are wrong about getting additional secondary projectiles from +proj modifiers. TS explicitly stated, and you can check the poewiki, that modifiers to projectile count only apply to the initial primary arrow. while overall yes you get more secondary proj in virtue of having more primary projectiles, each primary projectile still only shoots out 3 secondary projectiles. this is why the +1 (+2 in standard) secondary projectile helmet enchantment is so good, it helps increase the consistency of the skill on single targets by making it less likely the secondary projectiles will whiff and all miss the enemy (it goes from a larger radial angle between secondary projectiles to a smaller angle as they are shot out equidistant from one another). it's also why bigger enemies tend to take significantly more damage from TS on average, because if aimed correctly it's physically impossible for all secondary projectiles from a given primary projectile to miss, especially with the helmet enchant.

[@subtractem]

Sorry yeah that was just a misspeak as I was talking about it, had just come off a conversation with a friend about barrage and +proj and fumbled my words. I'll pin a comment with the correction!

[@deleno7290]

@@subtractem no worries, just didn't want new players to get confused over TS's mechanics and expect it to be obscenely good at low investment. barrage scaling off additional projectiles is another thing entirely, it's kind of wild how it doesnt lose aps per projectile compared to the support gem.

[@Bartoc1988]

To think that havy strike is a skill gem as well... There are worlds in between them.

[@GetArkd]

I think this series would be vastly improved by showing various expectations of this build. E.g. "this is what the build will look like at the end of the campaign", "this is what it should look like in white maps, yellow maps, red maps" "here's the chase build" etc. People watching this video are likely not going to see one mirror let alone several, so seeing this will just forever make the viewer dissatisfied by their own build. Just a thought

[@subtractem]

I do that for builds that Im explaining or going out of my way to recommend. This is just me exploring a very well known build, not even explaining all the mechanics or how to make it.

[@ArnoldsKtm]

I have always loved TS and it was rough that it was so bad for YEARS. Glad to play it again.

[@Psycoholic2008]

Yes, please do a video on the skill best known as "Jesus Take the Wheel".

[@skuamato7886]

The only thing I need to mention here is that bow skills do have the one downside that you cannot afk. If you're not shooting, you're not dealing damage which means looting while clearing the map can be a little annoying. Also you usually die if you stop shooting. The stutter step Playstyle is also something you have to get used to a little. Just my 2 cents, I love TS, I just think the caveats should be mentioned

[@lootmaster1337]

Deaths oath + bows is still my fav build because of that even if ts smashes the dps by a lot

[@twitchcompilarino8744]

With that much damage, you can comfortably change a support gem from TS with Mirage Archer. That helps with the dying part when you stop shooting.

[@alexzephyris1455]

And that's why I play HoT

[@Harry44SC]

Hold up, you can have multiple smaller clusters with both streamlined and repeater?? I thought it wouldn't add more after getting the first cluster?

[@supmikey123]

how do you possibly find a synthesised ring with those stats? lol

[@wh0reb0t]

Good video Mr. Streamer would enjoy more stuff like this

[@Wilzekify]

You couldn’t kill Massier around 9:00 because he spawns only after you get closer to him (pass through that „gate” probably), not when you enter the arena.

[@nazgullinux6601]

And all it takes is a JeNebu synth mirrored bow hitting for 1000+ average damage with +2 arrows fracture. You know, something over 99% of all bow players will never have.

[@subtractem]

This bow was very specifically not from tft.

[@GiffMeChakraMagic]

he got a point, a show of the power of this skill with 10mir gear is unrealistic. Explaning the mechanics was nice but the power comes from the gear. You can swap in iceshot and everything dies no matter the skillgem@@subtractem

[@nathanfay1988]

Once you experience Tornado Shot...

[@hardwolf_yt]

Man, thank you very much for your work and content. You explained the tornado shot in great detail, maybe I will make it the main build in the 3.22 league. Thanks again, you are the best! ♥♥♥

[@MarcosAraujo-ps3od]

Now I feel like playing Tornado Shot next league. I was going to play it this league, started as LA AB, but didn't change the build because vengeant cascade was really fun.

[@tracev9381]

min-maxer's budget secret: you can get 11 additional primary arrows from sniper's mark :)

[@YeesuJeju]

couldn't agree more! tornado shot is one of most valuable skill ever!

[@kronos6460]

If you make this a series you should do KB next. TS, KB and Worb are the top 3 skills of all time until they gutted Worb.

[@JuusGod]

Would it be possible to see the DPS differences of the tornado shot lab enchants? I could swear the flat 40% damage increase is the most dps? Is this the case?

[@subtractem]

The additional projectile enchant allows additional arrows to hit a single enemy, dramatically increasing your DPS. It is always the correct option.

[@modernkennnern]

The +1 can be up to 33% more damage by virtue of having a 33% more chance of hitting with each primary projectile, while the 40% increased damage is just that - a flat 40% increase (which is probably just like 5% more damage)

[@tarael86]

This video feels like those "motivational" investment KZbin shorts with some dude talking about how he made 20 million dollars out of a "small" investment of 1 million dollars. I want to try this build, but I don't have 5 mirrors lying around to build it lmao.

[@subtractem]

You can do it!

[@tarael86]

@@subtractem How?

[@JakeWol]

Yes! Would love to see this as a series

[@alekx9111]

Hey, amazing video and in depth explanation about the build! Thanks you! I have opened the PoB and on the helm there appears to be a 6 link, can someone explain to me how is this done, I don't understand how is this possible for this helmet specifically?

[@YamashitaPhilippines]

Hi I am a newbie in POE, can I try that on fresh build?

[@KaldwinUnderscore]

Watching this video with 17c in my stash "I should make a Tornado Shot character"

[@totallynottrademarked5279]

Dumb question but your POB has 6 spells in your helmet. which are you supposed to actually use?

[@bogdanmilen300]

is there a link to the build ?? I would love to try and do this...

[@MintCubaN]

Hey noob question here how do i get to that golden place at the begining of the video? 😁

[@jakkrit6910]

i don't know if new support is a hint that they will change returning arrow from annoitment or not but if it is lighting arrow will be less exciting to play . maybe ill try tornado instead.

[@keithleybalao5125]

can someone explain to me why the helmet in his PoB 6linked? or why is it have 6 gems in skills tabs

[@dighno89]

Literally this Video explains best why I love to play this skill to farm up a mirror item and swap to an even better build that I have more fun on

[@aoffydosy1530]

Does Focal Point ascendancy increase number of arrow splitting as significantly increase mark effect?

[@subtractem]

It does yes

[@chandlerstlouis8110]

so tornado shot can be like this but gladiator is gladiator still checks out

[@qlas1981]

Maby league start/budget of hmmmm 10 div version?

[@fancymeai]

This deserves more views

[@5ean5ean22]

Like me and storm brand. The skill just has such a good foundation. Not that much is needed to make it work.

[@ricken21]

Meanwhile Cobra Lash cries in the corner.

[@makar_halaman]

Big part of popularity those bulds is RMT, not forget about that

[@kennaee]

just lol

[@mamcrostie]

what two gems are in your right mouse button please

[@PunisherX29]

came to check out bow builds because of the returning projectiles support announced

[@lumpiiNOR]

Is this 100% Phys to cold? If so, how is that achieved ?

[@kernergades]

Could this be converted to a specters build??

[@Sherudons]

One of the few volume of fire abilities that clears stupidly well and can functionally become a mega shotgun with snipers mark and VC, you don't even need a major investment to get it to work well... it's also not melee, the thing GGG seems to hate.

[@abrahamblackmore3115]

Another reason it's so popular is because it has no price limit or price ceiling. You can invest in it all league and still not be at max power.

[@dragonofthesky9999]

so does this work with nemis? like could that be better then whatever op ring u got?

[@Spankedellic]

Nothing even comes close in terms of offscreen clear??? what about KB?

[@sir.torantino]

Can someone tell me how I get Denoted service of 7737 dekhara in the akhara of Asenath Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh Historic ? Last one is 7741 in PoE trade. It's my first time with Timeless Jewel.

[@zelo8027]

Hi..iam new to poe and have started to build my tornado shot ranger..but my problem for my tornado shot is, max i can get only 7 secondary projectile even with all passives tat give extra projectiles(no ascendancy yet)..can anyone tell me how i can increase the number of my secondary projectile?

[@marlongarado5051]

how can you use a 6L on a heatshiver?

[@jordiwijaya2126]

you should do a series like this, love this kinda content.

[@AkuroShano]

Hi hi I have a question i built a deaeye tornado shot and i got Occupying Force and Endless Munitions on the avs3ntion tree , for my next two notables whoch ones do u think i must get ? Im thinking of far shot and focal point , but idk if those added damage numbers really give me that pernetage or damage or lower in actual dps .

[@lenandov]

...because you don't get to play what's on screen, you have to play the edge of the screen because they are targeting you from two screens away?

[@subtractem]

That's not how the game works no.

[@t0mbr1d]

What is the cost of getting this build to the point it can map farm? ran a RF league starter and want to try a few different mapping builds in practice for next league (thinking spark, EK or this)

[@alewis514]

i played this build in sanctum league a lot, it was lots of fun and i always succeeded in sanctums thanks to how much offscreen damage it dealt. Haven't had that "1 resolve run" thing drop even though I racked up 38 challenges in that league so i settled for other hard mode sanctums and still nailed them every time. Stuff like SIM30 was out of reach though, the build is too squishy and SIM's bumrush you with monsters. I did SIM30 deathless with RF Juggernaut. Kosis with a fire resist mod was painful though, if that shit spawned on wave 29 or 30 i just rerolled and opened another SIM.

[@visionofgrey]

Hi I’m new to the game. How come your tornados are bigger and have a purplish aura? Same with another content creator using Caustic Arrow.

[@visionofgrey]

Also, how do you get additional arrows? I’m a Dualist so no Archer ascendant skills.

[@mocsimocsi8319]

i would say almost any decent build can do this with that much currency,but this might be more fun.

[@C_Ghost]

How much is the budget for this build

[@felipefaturi5082]

Those build showcase videos are awesome! Would be nice if you did a melee, phys damage or slam focused one!!

[@viktorhhh1]

but they are not popular? except boneshatter

[@jordywillaert-rt9qt]

ewwww melee

[@felipefaturi5082]

@@jordywillaert-rt9qt it was my first season, ok... I didn't know better haha

[@NathanKlemick]

How can I get this skill? Still kind of new to POE

[@minhquangthai6818]

So how to build bow on league start ?

[@ricardoplakmeijer9867]

How u get gear like u have?

[@yanda3323]

So cool seeing the very pinnacle of power in this game

[@N00BorBR0]

I think we could all use a TS Guide!

[@impero101]

Flicker Strike fan here! Please do one with Flicker Strike. :D More than half the leagues I've played, I've been playing Flicker Strike for the majority of the league.

[@Lee-jw9mm]

Would you like some more prodge with your prodge?

[@Awakened2001]

I am become death, bow-er of worlds

[@rdoggo9801]

has Tornado Shot gotten better as a league start skill? remember starting it couple of years ago and wasn't having fun with the campaign using it.

[@kronos6460]

It used to be high investment only. When ballista came out that helped a lot but still not enough. Only when they added extra proj on the tree this league in combination with successive power creep over the years does it now feel good at low investment levels. Still not a starter imho, more something you transition to in low maps at most.

[@petri1698]

Wow what a bow & ring you have there!

[@JohanCardel]

You are using the single best TS bow in existence, though. So if it wasn't godly, it would be disappointing, hehe. But you are on point, TS is the best with the right gears.

[@marc-andreblais5818]

this looks amazing, now i want to do it next league, what is the minimum budget i would need to get something going that feels pretty good?

[@subtractem]

You're really going to want to be at least in the 50 divine+ range for TS to start popping off. Pricing it so variable that prices like this can't be taken too literally but that's usually the general consensus. After that, the sky is the limit!

[@marc-andreblais5818]

perfect, thx a lot, definitely gonna try it out@@subtractem

[@Fourside__]

its a great skill, considering how great im sad they gutted vaal spark and vaal fireball. those were the dayyys

[@optiondezzo1513]

i tried building ts deadeye last patch but couldn't get it to work properly mainly because the bow is a PITA to craft and too expensive to buy. the build only becomes nice to play at around the 50 div mark whereas other builds like RF becomes smooth once you get explode corpses at around the 10 div mark. you may be off screening mobs and whats not but you are still going to die to one shots like eldritch altar meteors etc. its a cool build to play but unlike other low entry level builds, many ppl give up half way with TS because it requires so much investment. its kind of worst than COC FR when it comes to investment.

[@thorcall]

You don't league start ts, you convert to it once you have a good omni setup. If you try something like lightning arrow before the 50 div mark its gonna be very different :) .There is also way cheaper variant (less effective ofc but perfectly fine). A decent tri element bow for exemple is easy to craft.

[@undo8558]

It's simple, it trivialises content and makes people feel good about themselves.

[@jogadorjnc]

flicker strike best skill will be very happy when that video drops

[@stylianosmountzouris8422]

JUST IN TIME! im in the mf side of ts for a long time and wanted to change in smthng like that immidiatle!

[@the_gengar_master]

I just gotta say, i am really impressed by your content this league! Videos like this is everything to me right now. This was the first league ive farmed myself a Mageblood and its just as amazing as I dreamed it to be. I wanna get even better to obtain one even faster next league. It only took me like a month and a half. 😂 Preplanning is key though. That way your not worrying about rolling your maps / invitations and you can just blast. (Where the fun is)

[@nater8410]

I remember tornado shot was op/popular since delve league (i was playing and starting to understands builds then)

[@fnoef9952]

How do i downlaod build

[@thomasgrimm1664]

Is it viable to league start with a bow character and scale it all the way into high end tornado shot? Or would it be more efficient to use a different starter and make a new char after getting some currency?

[@MrGazoch]

U can leaguestart with a bow character. Lightning arrow is way easier than ts but you can transition easily

[@thomasgrimm1664]

@@MrGazoch Thanks, I'll look into lightning arrow for my next starter!

[@arkaitzgodoy4945]

wheres the baby ts build. please :D

[@ayelmao42069]

Would be cool to see reviews of any skill gem why they aren't popular or why they suck etc.

[@exotic5304]

You should make it a series

[@dillanpickett9023]

My friend is in love with you So i'm subbing for the cause!

[@MortesNoize]

If i had a Bow like that i'd play TS aswell xD

[@watermelon58]

god bow for sure absolutely insane stats

[@PitPlay]

Your build is insane. I can't get those suffixes and prefixes :c

[@kakefisk]

Thats why the build costs multiple mirrors. The bow took close to 300 mirrors to make for the guy who crafted it.

[@Ultimatestrife]

Never tried it before, might give it a shot in the next league. Haven't played a league since the mirror lake.

[@_snake__4117]

Elemental tornado shot is so fun, with omni (personally dont like MF so any build with mf is out of my thoughts, since i tried snoobae poison tornado shot, and lightning arrow mf with HH, it feels so awful). If in a league my first character is ranger, 100% when i have enough currency i would go for omni tornado shot, it just feels too good, dont need aiming like lightning arrow/ice shot, although kinda squishy but hey, if you delete them first they cant delete you.

[@ExCell3nTCsGoMore]

idk why i am even watching those videos. budget 6 mirrors like who the fuck has 6 mirrors im at 9 divines lel and im at 34 challenges XD

[@j.d.6915]

It's the closest thing to UE Multishot from D3.

[@sephrinx4958]

How many mirror is this?

[@subtractem]

Minimum 5-ish probably, this is about as high end as it gets! Much of this gear loaned from a viewer that wanted me to try out TS and talk about it.

[@sephrinx4958]

@@subtractem that shits crazy. When you just insta phased Maven I was like God damn... Truly playing a different game. I'm happy with my 10 million dps cold dot set up :)

[@daedalus6433]

Really wish I could ever get a build that deletes bosses that fast

[@taylon5200]

No you don't. Makes the game boring af when you're THAT powerful after about 20 minutes. It's only fun to use to earn currency fast enough to start making alts builds viable.

[@richard2mitchell]

i know people dont level with TS...what is the point where people go ts?