Subutai and the Volga Bulghars, 1223/1224.

Mighty Subutai, great commander of Chinggis Khan, is often described as undefeated in battle in popular retelling. Yet, we know of a few defeats, his most against the Bulghars of the Volga River in 1223/1224. Here, we will discuss not only that battle, but the history and origins of the Volga Bulghars, the interesting presentation around this defeat, and why perhaps, the defeat of Subutai Ba'atar is so little known compared to Parwan and Ayn Jalut.
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The Secret history of the Mongols: A Mongolian Epic Chronicle of the Thirteenth Century. Translated by Igor de Rachewiltz. Edited by John C. Street. University of Wisconsin, Madison, 2015. cedar.wwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.... See page 190.
The ibn al-Athir excerpts are from Zimonyi "Volga Bulghars between Wind and Water," 1992/1993. All Zimonyi's articles are availible for free on Academia.edu.
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Chambers, James. The Devil’s Horsemen: The Mongol Invasion of Europe. London, Cassel Publishers, 1988.
De Hartog, Leo. Russia and the Mongol Yoke: The History of the Russian Principalities and the Golden Horde, 1221-1502. London, Tauris Publishers, 1996.
d’Ohsson, Abraham. Histoire des Mongols depuis Tchinguis-Khan jusqu'à Timour Bey ou Tamerlan. 2nd ed. La Hay et Amsterdam Les fères Van Cleef, 1852. Vol I. archive.org/details/histoired...
Golden, Peter B. “The peoples of the south Russian steppes.” in The Cambridge History of Inner Asia, edited by Denis Sinor. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, (1990) 256-284.
Grousset, Rene. L'Empire des steppes: Attila, Gengis-Khan, Tamerlan. 4th edition. Paris, 1965.
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Jackson, Peter. The Mongols and the Islamic World: From Conquest to Conversion. New Haven: Yale University Press, 2017.
Mako, Gerald. “The Islamization of the Volga Bulghars: A Question Reconsidered.” Archivum Eurasiaie Medii Aevi 18 (2011): 199-223.
Man, John. The Mongol Empire: Genghis Khan, His Heirs and the Founding of Modern China. London: Transworld Publishers, 2014.
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McLynn, Frank. Genghis Khan: His Conquests, His Empire, His Legacy. Boston, First Da Capo Press, 2015
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Zimonyi, István. “Bulgars and Ogurs.” The Turks. Ankara: Yeni Turkiye, (2002): 569-578.
Zimonyi, István. “The Towns of the Volga Bulghars in the Sources (10-13th Century).”In: Huzin F Š(szerk.) Srednevekovaia Kazan': vozniknovenie i razvitie : materialy Mezhdunarodnoj nauchnoj konferencii, Kazan. Kazan: Master Lain, (2000): 134-140.
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[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

The most detailed medieval description (really, the only description of any detail) of the first encounter between the Mongols and the Volga Bulghars comes from Ibn al-Athir, writing over the course of the 1220s: ""The report of the returning of the Tatars to their king from the country of the Russians and the Qipchaqs. Having done to the Russians what we have mentioned and having plundered their country, they turned back from it and headed for Bulghar at the end of the year 620 (A. H.). When the Bulghar heard of their approach, they put up ambushes for them in several places and marched against them. They clashed with them and drew them after themselves so that they went beyond the ambush positions. Then they attacked them from behind, they (Tatars) stayed in the middle and sword took them from every direction. Most of them were killed, none but only a few escaped. It was said they were about 4000 men. They went to Saqsin returning to their king, Chingiz-Khan. The territory of Qipchaq became empty of them and whoever survived of them returned to this country. The road was cut: the Tatars had entered it and nothing arrived from them from fox, ermine, sable, etc. of what is carried from these countries. When they left it (road), they returned to their country and the roads was uninterrupted and carried the goods as before" -Ibn al-Athir, from Zimonyi, "The Volga Bulghars between Wind and Water." A few other mentions of the battle, such as from Julianus or indirectly from the Secret History of the Mongols, are also noted by Zimonyi. You can find his articles for free on Academia.edu. Patreon: www.patreon.com/jackmeister Jebe and Subutai: Pursuit of the Shah and the Caucasus: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h17Ze4iVmK6cgpI Jebe and Subutai: The Kalka River, 1223: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqa8nZl-qs-rh9E Jebe and Subutai: Great Raid vs Conquest, kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4CmnmttoNWfnpY

[@AnnhilateTheNihilist]

Hey buddy. I’ve got a great idea for your next video. I’m shocked u haven’t done it yet. Get back to me if u want to know what it is. If u don’t, I might do it. But you would be better. Just saying.

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

The Jackmeister: Mongol History Thanks for your video about Bulgar Turks

[@ashfaqurrahman9134]

Are you a Mongolian?

[@olumluhayatbugunvarsinyari1326]

Population genetic analysis indicated that Conquerors had closest connection to the Onogur-Bulgar ancestors of Volga Tatars. www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53105-5 hizliresim.com/stAHqu (Bulgar genetic proximity) Thus supporting the view that Tatars may be descendents of ancient Bulgars. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22520580/ Onogur-Bulgars had been part of the Hunnic people, and after the death of Attila’s son Irnik, European Hun remains fused with the Onogurs. www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/250688v1.full However, given the common Turkic genetic background of the Bulgars and Khazars, these ethnicities may be difficult to tell apart either archaeologically or genetically. www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2019.12.15.876912v1.full.pdf Most Tatars trace their descent to Volga Bulgars, a medieval Turkic people who have inhabited the Middle Volga and lower Kama region. online.ucpress.edu/search-results?page=1&q=Bulgars Caucasus as the first Turkic peoples (Avars, Bulgars, Huns, Khazars, Pechenegs) arrived. www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Exile www.readcube.com/articles/10.1002/9781118455074.wbeoe009

[@ogniankamenov481]

@@olumluhayatbugunvarsinyari1326 The only genetic studies on proven proto-Bulgarian samples from the 7th, 8th, and 9th centuries are conducted by Bulgaria in cooperation with Italian genetic labs. The results have shown that the proto-Bulgarians were almost 100% West Eurasians with no presence of C-haplogroup (Mongolian), Q (Turkish), and N (Ugro-Finian). Second: the proto-Bulgarians are one of the major components of the modern Bulgarian nation together with the Thracians. The Slavic R1a1a is only 17%. The presence of Q and C haplogroups is negligible in modern Bulgarians. Third: All remaining proto-Bulgarian words in the modern Bulgarian language do not relate to any Turkic language. The names of the proto-Bulgarian rulers (Kubrat, Asparukh, Kotrag, Alcek, Kuber, Telerig, Kargam, Krum, Omurtag) are not related to any ancient or modern Turkic language. Third: the identity of the European Hunns is very disputable. There is no information about their language. The anthropological studies of Hunns show that the vast majority of Hunns were Europeans (face restorations conducted by prof. Gerasimov). The names Attila and Bleda are neither Turkic nor Mongolian. As a royal hostage in Rome for 10 years, Attila was assumably fluent in classic Latin and highly educated.

[@Man-nx4ig]

As a Bulgarian-Cuman, who has talked to you in the past, I approve! Well done!

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

I am very glad to have met your approval! It is my great pride that people all over the world can enjoy my work when it talks about their distant ancestors!

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Really ?

[@dominikkorzatkowski4184]

What does it mean bulgarian-cuman? I know there were cumans in bulgaria in 13th century but what does it mean today?

[@ambit877]

Greetings from a Slav-Bulgarian! :)

[@sultanmomenofzenata177]

How do you know that your a descendent of The Bulgar ?

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Here's also the playlist of all my videos on Jebe and Subutai's expedition: kzbin.info/aero/PLPsdXcXIMVm0y7k9t6KT2NeIMFiO82Xja

[@EvgeniTomov-tv1bb]

Thanks for the video! This is the best video about this battle that I have seen! Greetings from Bulgara!

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Very glad you enjoyed it! Best wishes, from Canada!

[@wt1611]

Great topic. Great information. Loved the discussion. Great channel. Thank you.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Thanks for your support! I am glad the discussion is appreciated!

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

This is apparently from D.S Richard's translation of the appropriate volume of Ibn al-Athir, taken from Wikipedia: "Account of the Tatars' return from the lands of the Rus and the Qipjaq to their ruler After the Tatars had treated the Rus as we have described and plundered their country, they withdrew and went to the Bulghars in the year 620 [1223-1224]. When the Bulghars heard of their approach, they laid ambushes for them in several places. They then marched out to engage them and drew them on until they had passed the ambush site. They emerged behind their backs, so that they were caught in the middle. They fell to the sword on every side. Most of them were killed and only a few escaped. There is another version, however. They numbered about four thousand and they set out for Saqsin on the way back to their ruler, Chingiz Khan. The lands of the Qipjaq became free of them and the survivors returned home."

[@charlesdeleo4608]

2:52 This is the one era of the Volga Bulgars’ history that I know extremely well, when the Khan of the Volga Bulgars requested aid from the Abbasid Caliphate in return for converting to Islam. This led to the scholar, Ibn Fadlan being sent up north to aid in the transition, when he also encountered a group of Rus’ Vikings that set up camp to trade along the Volga River. And this is where we really get a true firsthand account of the Vikings from a non-Christian perspective. This is useful because the Vikings themselves were a largely oral culture, and this account is considered the best firsthand account we have of some Viking customs, but it’s also important to take into account that what Ibn Fadlan recorded may not have been observed by all Vikings. Yet the most famous custom from this account is undoubtedly the Viking ship funeral.

[@mihailangelospantouvakis2779]

Can you make a video about the relations between the 2 bulgarian kingdoms???

[@AnnhilateTheNihilist]

bro - just 'found' this channel... u are awesome! do u do ur own art? mad. i lk it!

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Thank you! Yes, all art is done by me unless I state otherwise. It helps make the channel stand out visually, and means I can show whatever I want instead of relying on the same few images. Just a matter of making it, whihc takes time!

[@wahnfriedvonmannteufel1574]

Hi Jackmeister Two minor corrections: 1. Sube'etai is the more correct spelling of his name since this is the translation from the middle-mongolian (secret history). Subutai is the translation from the chinese. 2. The only source we have about when he was born is the Yuan shi. It says he died in the year Wu-Shen when he was 73 yrs old. Since the year Wu-Shen lasted from January 28 1248 bis January 15 1249 it is far more likely that he was born in 1175, even though most secondary sources say 1176. (1175 seems to be the only point about Sube'etais biography an early life that Richard A. Gabriel seems to be right about. ;-) ) I just finished a german Wikipedia article on Sube'etai, maybe you are interested to check it out de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sube%27etai

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Hallo! I definitely agree with you in regards to transliterating his name. However, for whatever reason, Subutai is the most popular form it has taken on the internet (I'd imagine as much of anything due to ease of spelling) so I use it for sake of accessibility. It is serviceable and recognizable, and at least has the historical basis of coming from the Yuan Shih's spelling of it, unlike the more mangled Genghis which is so popular in English. You have a good argument on 1175 vs 1176: I have overwhelming seen 1176, but none who actually care to note specifically how it relates to the Chiense calendar system. Gabriel's book I find very similar to James Chamber's "the Devil's Horsemen,": good story telling, but not very good history. I've been in contact with historian Stephen Pow who has written on Subutai, and the amount of popular myths about Subutai which can be found in those books is quite shocking! Vielen Dank fuer der Artikal! Ich werde ihn sehr praktisch finden!

[@wahnfriedvonmannteufel1574]

@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory Good to hear you are in contact with Stephen. I'm too. I pointed your videos out to him, when you made the vid on the pronounciation of Jebes name, but he possibly was allready aware of them. He also agreed with my argument on the birth date. No idea why even the most reliable of authors (Atwood, Buell, Sverdrup etc.) give 1176... And I think Subutai is the most popular writing of his name because it is "keyboard user friendly" (Pow) and also seems to be easy to pronounce. I understand why you prefer Subutai and it makes sense, especially on the Internet because nobody will search for "Sube'etai". I agree on Gabriel and Chambers. Very readable, but in the end they are quite damaging for the popular image of Subutai. A lot of the myths that are widespread, arise from those books being used as sources. At least when it comes to Sube'etais early life and biography. I always say the reliability of Gabriels book can be seen by the fact that he didn't use either Sube'etai or Subutai but named his book after a character from the Conan movie...

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Stephen has offered me some great advice, and even a few sources, and as per his suggestion I'm actually looking at applying to CEU because of him. As he is also from Canada, he's dealt with much the same problem I have: how to continue your studies in the topic of the Mongol Empire as a Canadians, and the truth is it is very difficult to do here in Canada. CEU looks to offer far more promising programs for me in this area. The topic of spelling also bleeds into pronunciation. I reached out to a Mongolian speaker to see how Mongols pronounce Subutai, but then he also raised another good point as he also provided me (approximately) how it would have been pronounced in the thirteenth century (an extra, almost two, syllable). So then we have the question of not only what is the better spelling, but is it "more accurate" to try to approximate the medieval way to say it? Or try to use what is most recognizable to a larger audience?Another commentator urged me to try for the thirteenth century pronunciation of Jebe likewise. For Mongolian this is often a difference of extra syllables, but this can also differ quite markedly for Chinese, which I have been told can differ markedly from the modern pronunciations. Then I will have to determine how to best approach that, since my Chinese is decidedly weak.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Stephen has offered me some great advice, and even a few sources, and as per his suggestion I'm actually looking at applying to CEU because of him. As he is also from Canada, he's dealt with much the same problem I have: how to continue your studies in the topic of the Mongol Empire as a Canadians, and the truth is it is very difficult to do here in Canada. CEU looks to offer far more promising programs for me in this area. The topic of spelling also bleeds into pronunciation. I reached out to a Mongolian speaker to see how Mongols pronounce Subutai, but then he also raised another good point as he also provided me (approximately) how it would have been pronounced in the thirteenth century (an extra, almost two, syllable). So then we have the question of not only what is the better spelling, but is it "more accurate" to try to approximate the medieval way to say it? Or try to use what is most recognizable to a larger audience?Another commentator urged me to try for the thirteenth century pronunciation of Jebe likewise. For Mongolian this is often a difference of extra syllables, but this can also differ quite markedly for Chinese, which I have been told can differ markedly from the modern pronunciations. Then I will have to determine how to best approach that, since my Chinese is decidedly weak.

[@timurlane4004]

@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory Subedei baatar. I don't understand why you guys use baatar instead of hero. Because it means hero . And some people mistake baatar as knight but in Mongolian knight is huleg baatar. Meaning hero with horse or horse hero . Love your content btw ;)

[@calilamennan8435]

Can you make a video just about the history of the crimean tatars? I know some people say they arent related to the mongols, and I'd like to know more about them, since I can't find any good history sources.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

I actually did a brief video on the matter of the Tartars and the Mongols over a year ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnOym2mrp76LsKc It doesn't look specifically at the Crimean Tartars though (the focus was more on the matter of why people often called the Mongols Tartars), and frankly those older videos I don't consider up to the standard of research (or presentation) that I do now. If I were to do that video today, I would have used sources much more specific to the topic: when I made that one, I didn't have access to some of places I do now for finding sources, so they're a lot broader (and also less!) than I use now. If you like though, I could take a bit of time to try and find some better, more detailed sources to send to you. As for a video, I will definitely be doing one in the (far!) future on the Crimean Tartars, but that wouldn't not be for quite a long while. However, I can say this: there was definitely Mongol lineage among them, as the Giray dynasty of the Crimean Khans considered themselves descendants of Chinggis Khan (through Jochi's son Tuqa-Temur I believe, but I could be wrong on that. Jochi had a lot of sons (at least 14!) so it isn't easy to keep track of them all). However, the Mongol population of the Golden Horde was always a minority among many, many Turkic peoples, even during the 1240s when they first invaded. Mongol political customs (i.e Kuriltais, the Khan must be a descendant of Chinggis Khan) remained important throughout the Golden Horde and its successor states, but Turkic languages replaced Mongolian and the Khans and their men converted to Islam in the early 1300s. So within a few generations due to intermarriage and assimilation they were not really 'Mongol' like their cousins still in Mongolia, but that component was always there as a part of their ancestry, identity and political structure for several centuries. Without the Mongols, I don't think you would ever see a Crimean Khanate, and Crimean Tartars, as I we know them in history and today. But that presence of 'Mongol-ness' gets diluted obviously, over the course of eight centuries, and considering the 'russification,' which had occurred since the 1700s when the Crimean Khanate fell to Tsarina Catherine, it is understandable that there would have been some efforts to remove that memory and conform to Russian standards and ideals. But I don't know enough about Crimea in the Russian Empire to comment further on that.

[@zalmorxis4736]

Crimea is the name of the Cimmerians, children of the Amazons. The Amazons are children of the Thracian god Ares. The Cimmerians lived according to Homer on the Ocean River. Apollonius of Rhodes writes that the Ocean River is Ister. Ister is the ancient name of the Danube.The Treri in the Balkans they are also called Cimmerians - important fact! The Huns are the children of the Thracian Cimmerians (Massagets - Moesians and Getae).

[@kinhsenpai3675]

to be fair the volga, mongolia, the caucasus, crimea, and other places on the steppe were home to the turkic people and mongols to say

[@aykhanimran1362]

True in some extent they assimilated and replaced nomadic schytians, sarmatians and etc.

[@kinhsenpai3675]

@@aykhanimran1362 correct if the turks never exist the schytians and sarmatians rule the steppes

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Bulgars were Onogur Turks with Oghur language,stop lying bulgarian troll

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Bulgars are Onogurs not onogur-sarmatians according to this logic sarmatians are turco-iranians lol :))))

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Bulgars came from Eastern Kazakhstan,and there were no sarmatians in this area,Bulgars destroyed sarmatians

[@crowold3025]

At first, the Mongols were hostile to the Tatars and slaughtered them, but they had the same facial features as the Mongols and spoke similar words. And above all, they were tougher than the Mongols, so they eventually stopped slaughtering them and made them their own. Westerners seem to confuse Tatars and Mongols.

[@soumyadiptamajumder8795]

Please make seperate mega documentaries on Golden Horde, Ilkhanate, Chagtai Khanate and Khanate of the Great Khan(Yuan Dynasty)!!!

[@Flow86767]

It would be interesting to learn more about the Volga bulgars, and how they changed from the bulgars in the Bulgarian empire.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

The Volga Bulghars are unfortunately difficult to get good information on (we can thank the Mongols in part for that!) so much of what we know comes from outside sources. The Volga Bulghars did have writing, but I don't know how of what they wrote survives. There are a couple early Arab accounts from the 10th century on them (I believe there is a channel on KZbin which shared an excerpt from ibn Rusta or ibn Fadlan on them?). Most of the works I know about them (which I looked at for this video) mainly deal the topics of their origins (in relation to the Danube Bulgars) or religion. Since I will be returning to them for the Mongol conquest of their state in the 1230s, I may do a bit more showing in detail their actual state. But again, I don't know what kind of information will even be availible on that. For instance, the Volga Bulghars were Turkic, but to what extent did they intermarry with the local Finno-Ugric peoples they ruled? Were they a majority or minority in their kingodm? Or what was the effect the Qipchaq-Cumans had on their kingdom? All questions I can't answer at this moment, but I would to explore in future in greater detail.

[@Man-nx4ig]

@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory Careful when you say they were Turkic. In contrast to all the propaganda that Bulgarians are Slavic (they are not) - the truth is that modern Bulgarians descend ONLY from the MANY Bulgars who went to modern day Bulgaria. From all the latest genetic tests, it turns out Bulgarians are genetically neither Slavic or Turkic (pm me for the sources if you want). The mainstream idea that only 10k Bulgars founded modern day Bulgaria is completely false and impossible, reports state they were in the millions. So if Bulgarians dont have Turkic genes in them, and since Bulgarians descend directly from Bulgars, how then could the Bulgars be Turkic? The Bulgars were not Turkic, I dont know what they were, clearly nobody knows, but Turkic they were not. Some researchers make a strong link to the Indo European Yuezhi and Wusun, as well as various Iranic and Sarmatian tribes. This academic bias that they were Turkic in spite of mounting and huge evidence to point otherwise is the same type of bias that the pyramids are only 4000 years old in spite of clear hardcore geological and astronomical evidence that they are at least 10k -12k years old. Even the Egyptians themselves said the pyramids were there before them. Same thing is happening with the Bulgar issue. It is very easy to fall into the trap of accepting mainstream concensus if you dont know much about a particular tribe when you are just startng out to research, but dont do that, rather read both sides of the story and make uo your nind independantly, which is not practical for you since you are not Bulgarian so you will never have the same interest in it or drive as someone who is, and also not practical since you cant spend too much time on one tribe as then you will neglect studying, researching and making videos about other tribes. So thats a difficult one

[@sanchez231996]

@@Man-nx4ig can i see those scientific papers about modern bulgar genetics.

[@bobsun90]

@@Man-nx4ig The truth is we were always in the lands were modern day Bulgaria is and have nothing to do with Mongolians nor Iranian people or any Asian country,we are descendants of the thracians,and we were traveling as far as modern day Iran,but we never came from there as many people think, so now you know my friend.

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Catalytic Nomad Bulgars spoke a Turkic language,

[@YUSKHAN]

The Volga Bulgarians cousins Crimean Tatars defeated the Mongols

[@zalmorxis4736]

Without Tatars! Balkar and Bolgar have nothing in common. Tatar too.

[@EzraBenKhazar]

Nice video!

[@notluzzy6008]

I'm wondering how badly the Mongol's could have lost since they marched south right afterwards and immediately subdued and conquered the city of Saqsin, defeating the kipcheks there. Sounds like a bit of exaggeration on ibn al-athir's part

[@jiritichy7967]

For those of us, who were mainly exposed to European history, it is fascinating to see how rich events happened elsewhere. What always interested me was where these people came from and who they were. For example, todays Mongolia has over a million people - where did the history Mongols get the people to form one hundred thousand armies?

[@rekoken2911]

2:33 music name?

[@seidSR71]

Great ending

[@sabih-f15]

Ibn Al-athir pronounce in Arabic as th in think not like ch and thanks

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Thanks for letting me know: sounds like I was closer in pronunciation in previous videos then.

[@EvilSmonker]

Bulghar is me :) (probably not volga tho)

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Volga Bulgar language 6-7 : elüvvi berekâtlu mün suvvâr yâli... ‘ali hovvâce awli atrac 8-9 :hovvâce awli abü-beker hovvâce awli alıp hovvâce belüwi kü 10-11 :dunyâran kövvecrüvvi târiha ciyeti cür sekir câl camâdi-l-u 12 :la ayhi cirim ekiş küvven eti

[@zalmorxis4736]

From which century? 🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😋

[@Gotse.Delchev.Reborn]

Lying Turkish troll. National Library of Medicine (US Government) - "...the Y-chromosome gene pool in modern Bulgarians is primarily represented by Western Eurasian haplogroups with ∼ 40% belonging to haplogroups E-V13 and I-M423, and 20% to R-M17. Haplogroups common in the Middle East (J and G) and in South Western Asia (R-L23*) occur at frequencies of 19% and 5%, respectively. Haplogroups C, N and Q, distinctive for Altaic and Central Asian Turkic-speaking populations, occur at the negligible frequency of only 1.5%...".

[@AllahCat7889]

apperantly a mordvin prince named Purgaz took part in the battle and he would continue to resist the mongols until 1239 after an apperant defeat. Another mordvin prince, Puresh was forced to fight with the mongols invading europe. Purgaz would die in legnica either in battle with the polish or being executed under the orders of subutai. The info is conflicting but i guess maybe the former is true or atleast its more detailed. i read this from the history section of this wikipedia article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mokshas

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

So this is the first I've heard of Mordvins taking part in the battle on the Volga with the Bulghars against the Mongols. It is not impossible, but I've seen the historical accounts of this battle; they are all very limited, and don't mention Mordvins. The wikipedia article you link mentions that the Mordvins were allied with the Volga Bulghars against the Rus'. However, the rest I know is true. There were two Mordvin principalities in the 13th century; one of them was closer in influence to the Rus', and one with the Volga Bulghars (an alliance/vassal relationship). When the Mongols came in the 1230s under Batu and Subutai, one Mordvin principality submitted to the Mongols peacefully and provided troops (who did fight in Europe, though I don't know if their prince is named). The other principality (the one allied to the Rus') tried to fight the Mongols, and was quickly conquered. I don't know if the names of any Mordvin princes are recorded, as I have never looked into them specifically.

[@AllahCat7889]

@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory iirc the ones who resisted the mongols were allied to the volga bulgars, we know their names through the mordvins themselves since Purgaz, the prince who fought against the mongols was mythicizied alot, theres also quite alot of art about him nowadays. Anyway thanks for responding, i just wanted to share a bit of knowledge about the mordvins. Im not an actual historian :D

[@AllahCat7889]

i don't think the sources state their names though.

[@kaybevang536]

Can u do how the mongols forged weapons like swords and arrow tips from metal And as Nomads

[@timurlane4004]

Hmm

[@timurlane4004]

As an mongol myself the weapons of mongols were not amazing or super skilled. Because they were nomads. Only later they mastered iron after defeating the song dynasty. We just used mongol ild or saber and composite bow and round shield . We heavily relied on cavalry and hit and run tactics . And using ambush we won.

[@dragonrykr]

Whenever I see the name of this guy Jebe, I chuckle Maybe because, in my native language, it means "(it) fuck(s)" lol

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

That's very funny! I'm curious, which language is that? I love trivia like that (and perhaps a good thing to clarify if I am ever presenting on this topic outside of Canada!)

[@IlianNachev]

@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory Any Slavic language.

[@HZTV1]

I am lazy to watch video but did you mention about genghis khan lose 1223 first and last defeat

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Ghabdulla Celbir of Volga Bulgaria defeated him

[@HZTV1]

@@papazataklaattiranimam your point is?

[@anonimus1642]

@@HZTV1 battle of Samara bend

[@r3dum877]

Bulghar+Qypshaq +Mongol =modern kazan tatars. *mainly

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Even though the Mongols destroyed the Bulghar kingdom in the 1230s, their city of Bulgar would become very important under the Golden Horde for trade. The renewed importance of the region (and the founding of Kazan) made it the centre of its own politics again when the Golden Horde's unity collapsed after Emir Temur.

[@nomad7480]

DNA result of Kazan Tatar kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4Kch2qYZ9CDh6M

[@kolsveinnskraevolding]

My ancestors :D

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Artem Falcon Kazan Tatars descend from bulgars

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Artem Falcon Harvard saying this

[@denkapeneva2018]

Gettings from danube Bulgaria to my volga bulgar brothers 🇧🇬❤️

[@jugdertemuujin4014]

Ye if Subedei lost at Bulgar then he come back with Bath han and no more bulgars any more and Tatar’s welcome! It isn’t ye tell me thnx

[@woutkoopman]

Something I never get about these discussions is that it really doesn't matter if he was beaten once or twice, what's important about subetai is that he died of old age in the empire that he build, that was almost at the height of their powers. Name me one other great general that fought their whole lives, hunderds if not thousands of battles, and died of old age in the empire that he build. We know from sources that Subetai was not a general that was hiding somewhere during the battles, he would've been there on the battlefield, exposing himself to the enemies. He would have been commanding the troops himself deep into old age. He is not simply the most skilled and genius of all the generals that ever lived, he is also the luckiest, and luck is a metric that every student of military history will agree is not accidental. You can talk to me all day about Napoleon, who fought 60 battles in 20 years and lost 7 of them. Or Julius Caesar who had his first command at 42, fought about 20 battles, lost at least 2, and died a little over 10 years later. I think Subetai should not only be refeered because he concquered the most terrain, beat the most diverse enemies and very likely won the most battles, but also because he was on campaign for practically every day of his life until he retirement, in the empire that he himself build. He is one the only one that I know of who died of old age fighting his whole life in such a succesful way.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

It is not so much to disprove the reputation of these individuals, but to study them from a more serious approach and what actually happened in their careers and lives, rather than empty platitudes of "who was the most bad-ass" that tends to permeate such discussions on the internet. To me at least, it is very interesting to see where a highly successful general meets his limits and gets pushed back, and to try and understand "what went wrong," rather than just dismiss thing.

[@tariqrahman6918]

Didn’t he also get defeated by the kwarazmian prince jalaludin??

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Yeah

[@Beatusable]

Bulgars are greatest warriors. Period.

[@Nomadicenjoyer31]

Great Turk warriors

[@anonimus1642]

@@Nomadicenjoyer31 Turkic*

[@DimitarFCBM]

Bulgarian*

[@srinjoyroychoudhury7034]

Except they were defeted by Basil, the Khazars, Rus, Avars, Magyars, Mongols, Seljuks, and Ottomans.

[@user-rq6oe2ee4x]

@@srinjoyroychoudhury7034 when did Bulgars fight Seljuks?Also each nations you pointed out above except seljuks were defeated by bulgars as well

[@Nomadicenjoyer31]

Volga Bulgaria (Tatar: Идел Болгар, Chuvash: Атӑлҫи Пӑлхар) or Volga-Kama Bulghar, was a historic Bulgar[2][3][4] state that existed between the 7th and 13th centuries around the confluence of the Volga and Kama River, in what is now European Russia. Volga Bulgaria was a multi-ethnic state with large numbers of Turkic Bulgars, a variety of Finnic and Ugric peoples, and many East Slavs.[5] The very strategic position of Volga Bulgaria allowed it to create a monopoly between the trade of Arabs, Norse and Avars.[6]

[@ogniankamenov481]

proto-Bulgarians were not Turkic. Show me the evidence.

[@yenidenturktarihtezi]

@@ogniankamenov481 If Volga Bulgars were Turkic then Proto Bulgars are automatically Turkic too 🤦🏻‍♂️ dumbass

[@Gotse.Delchev.Reborn]

@@yenidenturktarihtezi The Bulgar tribe was proto-Ukrainian from the lands northern Sea of Azov. Kubrat and his son Asparuh were buried in their homeland Ukraine. Tatars are an ethnic group established in the 13th century, 600 years after Asparuh and the creation of the First Bulgarian Kingdom. Volga Bulgars were not part of Asparuh's tribe. Their homeland is Kazakhstan and the North Caucasian steppes. National Library of Medicine (US Government) - "...the Y-chromosome gene pool in modern Bulgarians is primarily represented by Western Eurasian haplogroups with ∼ 40% belonging to haplogroups E-V13 and I-M423, and 20% to R-M17. Haplogroups common in the Middle East (J and G) and in South Western Asia (R-L23*) occur at frequencies of 19% and 5%, respectively. Haplogroups C, N and Q, distinctive for Altaic and Central Asian Turkic-speaking populations, occur at the negligible frequency of only 1.5%...".

[@tamaszlav]

So many inaccuracies

[@geser21]

Часть 1. От протохуннов вышли Хунны, протомонголы и протокийтацы. Хунны делились на: 1. Северных Хуннов - это Якуты. Это D- язык Хуннов, это протоязык Хуннов, т.е. прото Тюркский язык. 2. На западных Хуннов, которые родили - Гуннов - Сувар, от которых пошли Авары, Хазары и Булгары - это сегодня единственный из рода Биля-Сувар и Ас-Сувар - Чуваши. Это R - язык, это протоязык, т.е. прото Тюркский язык. Потом были еще две волны, одна волна западных Хуннов смешанная с Уграми - это Угро - Гунны, а потом была третья волна, смешанная с протомонголами - это имперские Авары, которые были властелины и владыки Азии и Сибири. 3. Также были южные Хунны. Это Z - язык, это протоязык Хуннов, который смешался с другими языками: протомонгол, монгол, восточных Хуннов и др. народов и стал Современным Тюркским языком. Южные Хунны смешались с протомонголами и дали род Тюрок из Великого Тюркского каганат, который потом поделился на восточный и западный Тюркский каганат. Восточные Тюрки - это были протомонголы, восточные Хунны, Угры и др. народы, в т.ч. Иранцы из Средней Азии и Сибири (это Динлины, т.е. отюреченные Кипчаки - Сарацыны, которые сегодня проживают в респ. Татарстан и Куманы - Кипчаки - Кумыки, которые проживают степях приморского Дагестана). Языки Восточных Тюрок - это были смешанные языки с разными народами. А Западные Тюрки - это Огузы, они сохранили Z - язык и до 13 в. и 14 в. понимали языки народов R- языков, т.е. Булгар, т.к. сохранили общие прото Хуннские, т.е. прото Тюркские корни языка. Пока, Огузы не смешали его с народами Монголо-Татар и после этого перестали понимать R- языки западных Хуннов - Гуннов, Булгар и Хазар. Огуз со средней Азии выгонят Иранские племена Кипчаки, которые уже частично говорили на Тюркском языке - это племя Динлинское - прото Иранское. От них пойдут Саки, Хорезцеймцы и Кипчаки. Поэтому Саки, Хорейзмецы и Кипчаки не были Тюрками, а были ими отюречены. Часть Огуз они выгонят в Закавказье - это Азербайджанцы, а потом выгонят и Турок - Туркоман, Сельджук и Осман. Туркмены уйдут в горы Туркмении, а Огузы - Половцы в сторону Руси. Кипчаки: Сарацыны и Куманы займут их земли до границы Дона и приморского Дагестана, дальше им не дадут пройти. Тюрки смешались с монголами и восточными Хуннами и дали современные народы Тюркские народы. 4. А восточные Хунные - это Y и S языки. В основном вошли в народы Южных Хуннов, Тюрок и Китайцев. Северные, Южные и Восточные Хунны никогда не были западными Хуннами и Гуннами, а также Булгарами, Хазарами и Аварами. Как Кипчаки: Сарацыны и Кумыки никогда не были Хуннами, Гуннами, Тюрками, Казанскими Татарами и Булгарами - это сегодня псевдо Казанские Татары. На земли Казанского ханства и Нухрат Булгарии - Хазарии их переселяли волнами царская администрация России и церковники в период с 1783 г. по 1940 г. и к сословию Казанских Татар -Суваз и Булгар (Волжской и Нухрат Булгарии), они не имеют никого отношение.

[@geser21]

Часть 2. Из истории: Первая волна западные Хунны еще 5 тыс. лет назад была увлечена Арийцами при Великом переселении народов в Индию и в Каспийский Туран. Это была первая волна западных Хуннов, которая известна, как Савияры - Сувары, потом они продвигались в сторону Афганистана, Ирана, Ближнего Востока, Малой Азии и на Кавказ и были известны, как Субарейцы, Субарту - Сувары, Савары - Савиры - Сувары. Поэтому у них культура была Арийско-Иранская, Шумеро-Ассирийско-Хурритская и Кавказская и отличается до сих пор от Тюркских народов и народа Кипчак - Сарацын Поволжья. Это сегодня культура народов Поволжья, Камы и Вятки - это культура народа Булгар, как и культура Русских, Украинцев и Белорус и народов Балкан. А у Татар - Кипчак Поволжья ничего нет близкого с культурой народов Булгар к сожалению нет. И язык их современный, относящийся к смешанным языкам древних южных и восточных Хуннов, протомонгол и Иранским - Сакских - Хорезмейских племен. Далее, потом была вторая - Гуннская - Угорская - Иранская, которая известна, как Великое переселение народов в Европу. А последняя волна - это имперских Авар, которые были властелины Средней Азии до 6 в. Их как раз выгонят их же рабы Теле и протомонголы, и назовут себя Тюрками. Слово Тюрк означало живущие по закону предков Хуннов и данное слово никогда не был этносом. Слов Тюрк - это слово западных Хуннов, а не Южных или Восточных, закон у них звучит по-другому. Тюрки в основном были Монголами, Уграми и часть их была южными Хуннами, а не Восточными Хуннами. Одним из предков Тюрок являются Угры - это Тюрки - Маджары, которые в союзе с Баршилами, частью Сувар - Савир ,которые увлекли собой Авары с Кавказа на нижние Поволжье, где они в месте с ними создают Хазарский каганат рода Ашина. Это и были Хазары - Тюрки - Маджары - это они были Хазарами из рода Ашина. А сегодня псевдо Казанские Татары -Кипчаки спорят с Башкирами и Мишарями, кто из них больше Тюрок. А на самом деле Казанские Татары - Кипчаки - это не Тюрки и не Булгары. Далее, Хазары - Тюрки - Маджары в период с 7 в. и по 9 в. будут активно контактировать с Кавказскими Булгарами - Суварами - Савирами, а потом вместе уйду с Кавказа в Лебедии и в Ателькузу. Где одна часть Тюрок - Маджар уйдет в Паннонию и примет Булгарский этноним Венгры, т.е. Вуннгуры - Оногуры, а другие будут известны, как Черемисы - Марийцы, Мишари и Башкиры. Другие Черемисы - это Билярцы - Чуваши и горные Марийцы. Сегодняшние Казанские Татары - это продукт Советской власти, они не Казанские Татары и не Булгары и до 1940 г. отказывались становиться Татарами. Это Кипчаки - Сарацыны, т.е. из рода Динлинов, которые потом стали Саками и Хорезмейцами - это Иранцы Сибири и Средней Азии, которые были отюречены Огузами и каким-то протомонгольским народом, а потом завоеваны монголами-татарами, где им даже не дали сословие Татар, а их называли просто мусульмане.

[@zalmorxis4736]

Хуните идва от кимерийците, скитите, амазоните - бог Арес роден в Тракия, със старо име Ария. Хуните също са познати като маса-гети (мизи и гети), а кимерийците още като трери (тракийско племе). Затова българите (БогАрите) са наричани - мизи, мирмидони, пеони, кимерийци, царски скити. Единствените засвидетелствани хунски глоси (думи) са: Медос, Камос и Страва. А те са тракийски. Славяни е старото име на гетите, наричани още - гето-склавени. Славяни е екзоним за тракийските племена наложен от Екатерина Велика през 18 век. 😉

[@witalian1]

Why are you misspelling them? They are not bulghars. They are bulgarians.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Generally, the people discussed in this video are called Bulghars for two reasons: to help distinguish them from the Bulgarians of the Danube, and because this is what the historical sources do. Even their capital city was called Bulghars (sometimes spelled Bolgar, Bulgar, etc. They had another capital called Bilar, and some argue this was the same city) It's pretty uncommon in English language scholarship to call them Bulgarians, but you will on rare occasion in early twentieth century works see "Volga Bulgarians." The naming conventions I use in my videos is always based off what I find in academic works of historians and specialists.

[@witalian1]

@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory The distinction in english between the words bulgars and bulgarians is completelly contrived. The old bulgarians called themselves bulgari and the modern bulgarians call ourselves bulgari. The name has not changed. Using two different names in english implies that the name has changed which is deceiving. We may argue whether the people have changed and how much but the name is still the same and using two different names is not correct. If you want to distinguish between old bulgarians and modern bulgarians just call them old bulgarians and modern bulgarians. No need to invent fake names and introduce unnecessary deception.

[@witalian1]

There are people in modern tatarstan with bulgarian identity and they also call themselves bulgari/bolgari which is the same name us danube bulgarians

[@witalian1]

So my point is if in english modern day danube bulgari are called bulgarians all other bulgari should also be called bulgarians in english. Otherwise you create the wrong impression that they have different names when in fact all these groups identify with the same name.

[@witalian1]

This criticism is not for you specifically but to all anglo academics.

[@mohamedkirgliz261]

Long live Bulgaria 🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🏹🏹🏹🏹🏹🏹🏹🏹🏹🏹🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬

[@precursors]

To be clear, ğresent day bulgarians have nothing to do with Volga Bulgars

[@backpressure123]

looking forward to seeing how he lost against Manjus.

[@TrooperDan_262]

So if Bulgarians want to be closer to their ancestors they must start learning the Volga Bulgar language which is closest to Tatar today? Even Islam will bring them closer to their Bulgar ancestors as they adopted it as their state religion.

[@Gotse.Delchev.Reborn]

The Bulgar tribe was proto-Ukrainian from the lands northern Sea of Azov. Kubrat and his son Asparuh were buried in their homeland Ukraine. Tatars are an ethnic group established in the 13th century, 600 years after Asparuh and the creation of the First Bulgarian Kingdom. Volga Bulgars were not part of Asparuh's tribe. Their homeland is Kazakhstan and the North Caucasian steppes.

[@TrooperDan_262]

@@Gotse.Delchev.Reborn another theory yet again. Full of theories you lot. The Bulgar language was a Turkic one, the Bulgar religion was a Turkic one. The Bulgar lifestyle was a Turkic one. History and records say one thing, you Bulgarian nationalists say another. Accept your past it is no good to spit on your ancestors.

[@Gotse.Delchev.Reborn]

@@TrooperDan_262 Nice Turkish propaganda and lies. 😂 The Turkic origin of the Bulgar tribe was debunked long time ago by US, Spanish, Serbian and even North Macedonian historians and geneticists. National Library of Medicine (US Government) - "...the Y-chromosome gene pool in modern Bulgarians is primarily represented by Western Eurasian haplogroups with ∼ 40% belonging to haplogroups E-V13 and I-M423, and 20% to R-M17. Haplogroups common in the Middle East (J and G) and in South Western Asia (R-L23*) occur at frequencies of 19% and 5%, respectively. Haplogroups C, N and Q, distinctive for Altaic and Central Asian Turkic-speaking populations, occur at the negligible frequency of only 1.5%...".

[@Gotse.Delchev.Reborn]

@@TrooperDan_262 Do you find it difficult to do a simple research on your own? I can't post links here but you can type in Google "Kubrat grave" and "Asparuh grave" and go to "Images" section.

[@hazemm440]

Excellent channel. I’m going through all your videos. Beautiful! Very well done. But May I add a word of advise and give you my opinion…. It seems that you’re usually side stepping the fact that the mongols were one for he world’s worst genocidal people. These guys killed 10s of millions of people - you can’t possibly have a good reason to do that. We often, if not always, portray Hitler as bad. But in fact, Hitler’s death machine would be a primitive infant to what the mongols did. This isn’t to reduce the value and quality of your videos. Not at all. Super beneficial. But I think it’s important to recognize the genocide and “holocaust” these Mongols did on a daily basis. They do seem to have been “tamed” abut after their massive conversion to Islam; though there remain pockets of cruel Mongol descendants. When I say cruel, I mean really genocidal. So it is important to mention that and put them in the same boat as Hitler and other death machine maniacs

[@menniemint7772]

Subeedei not Subudai baatar! Svbeedei was Urianhai Mongol ( Tuva ) !!! Not bulgar!!!!!!

[@stanbatakarata6081]

Brother Sabutai attak Bulgarian people .What Bulgarian is Sabutai 😂

[@atillaturk3986]

SUBUTAY was an URANHAY ( TUVA TÜRK........)........He wasnt müslüman...........but, pure blood TÜRK.........

[@odgiiv1]

Nope he was uriankhai from mongol.

[@GoogleUserOne]

He didn’t lose that battle. Plus he saved Batu

[@menniemint7772]

Wrong history!!! Mongols is Mongols not bulgars not turkic, not ungern not hazar!!!!’

[@Aliyodb]

Cheers to our brothers from Türkiye 🇹🇷♥️🇰🇿♥️🇲🇳♥️🇭🇺♥️🇧🇬

[@stanbatakarata6081]

Bulgarian people is Bulgarian people .Kubrat is yours Father for all.Greeting from Bulgaria 🇧🇬 all Bulgarian peoples brothers and sisters ❤God Blasse all Bulgarians

[@MrAnonymous3333]

Volga Bulghars are Turks?

[@ogniankamenov481]

Bulgars (Proto-Bulgarians) spoke ancient east Iranic language. The name Kubrat, Asparuh, Kotrag, Kuber, Bayan, Alcek, Telerig, Krum, Kardam are not Turkic. The DNA of proto-Bulgarians is European (Eight proven cases were DNA analyzed). DNA of modern Bulgarians doesn't contain Y-haplogroups Q (Turkish) and C (Mongolian).

[@khanusmagnus577]

No , we are Volga Bulgarians not turko-chinese

[@merketarif126]

@@khanusmagnus577 you are slavic, absorbed the bulgars and took their name.

[@merketarif126]

@@khanusmagnus577 My name is arabic and i am turk. the iranian influence was big in ancient time. this does not mean they were iranian. so a southafrican or ugandan guy named John, who is black, is for you because of his name an indoeuropean?

[@Nomadicenjoyer31]

@@ogniankamenov481 according to who kid🤣🤣🤣

[@evgenihristow3309]

Всех русских исторических дураков Баба Ванга сказал: Волга снова будет течь в Болгарии Два клана болгар объединятся, и тогда Бог поможет тем, кто их разделяет Русские знают, какие силы поставлены на карту и что с ними будет

[@YushaKozaki]

What are your thoughts about the theories of Bulgar origins of the Cossacks?

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Accelerated Bulgars and Cossacks(Slavized Cumans)are Turkic

[@ogniankamenov481]

@@papazataklaattiranimam Bulgars (Proto-Bulgarians) spoke ancient east Iranic language. The name Kubrat, Asparuh, Kotrag, Kuber, Bayan, Alcek, Telerig, Krum, Kardam are not Turkic. The DNA of proto-Bulgarians is European (Eight proven cases were DNA analyzed). DNA of modern Bulgarians doesn't contain Y-haplogroups Q (Turkish) and C (Mongolian).

[@HZTV1]

@@papazataklaattiranimam Gay ottomans are bulgar people

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Ankku ottomans and bulgars are turks :))) Btw Ottomans captured Bulgaria from Cuman rulers😂😂 Which bulgarian ruled bulgaria,i don’t even know there is 0

[@sanchez231996]

So actual bulgaria is a mix of turkic/slavs and turkish (oghuz origin mixed with greek, armenian and arab people??) ? The dynamics of population in this zones (as well as in the caucasus) is so confusing for me...

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Somewhat: the first Bulgarian Empire's ruling class, and much of their military, would have Turkic and Turkic ancestry (but not Oghuz at this point though) which gradually assimilated, through intermarriage and cultural adoption, into the local Slavic population, while Christianity was adopted through close contact with the nearby and influential Byzantines (and the local Greek speaking population which fell under Bulgarian rule). But definitely a process much more complicated than some popular narratives suggest. The best advice I tell people in regards to learning about ethnicity in empires before the French Revolution, is to forget about the idea of nation-states and borders as hard, uncross-able lines, as both are irrelevant to discussing medieval and ancient kingdoms and states, with rare exceptions that only somewhat fit the mold. Generally speaking, the name of the empire ('Bulgarian Empire,' 'Roman Empire,' 'Mongol Empire') is going to more often than not refer to the background of the ruling class, rather than the identity of the subject population.

[@x-power6830]

Bulgars are Thraco-Scythian(Slavic) people. We Bulgars not are stupid Turgay nomads.

[@sanchez231996]

@@x-power6830 then what happened with the hordes of turks that form the famous kaganate that give you the name of your nation. What happened also with the ottomans that occupied your lands for more than 250 years

[@x-power6830]

@@sanchez231996 Bulgaria has never had khans or khagans. Until 913 Bulgaria is the principality, headed by a great knyaz (KANAC UBIGI in Greek). In 913 he declared himself the emperor (tsar) of Bulgarians and Romans. Y-DNA studies of Bulgarian funerals from the 7th-10th centuries indicate that burials are between 172 and 190 cm in height and belong to haplogroups I2a, R1a and J2e and belong to the Pontid phenotype. Al Biruni writes about the language of the Volga Bulgarians: "They speak not in Arabic, but in their own language, mixed by Turkic and Khazar" The Ottomans were only one dynasty, supported by a Turkic horde of about 30,000 people, but most died in the wars. The management elite was mainly of Persian and Arabic origin. The original Ottomans have disappeared around the 17th century. This is also seen by modern Turks, who have only 2% Turkic background.

[@sanchez231996]

@@x-power6830 can i see those studies? I have a degree on molecular Biology. No kagans? So what was krum or omurtag? You country is plenty of monuments of those two kagans.

[@Nomadicenjoyer31]

Nice Turkish history 👍

[@user-er2qn3sm6o]

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Bulgars called themselves as Onogurs,a Turkic tribe. Also Khazar sources saying Bulgars are Turks like avars and khazars.

[@Gotse.Delchev.Reborn]

Lying Turkish troll. National Library of Medicine (US Government) - "...the Y-chromosome gene pool in modern Bulgarians is primarily represented by Western Eurasian haplogroups with ∼ 40% belonging to haplogroups E-V13 and I-M423, and 20% to R-M17. Haplogroups common in the Middle East (J and G) and in South Western Asia (R-L23*) occur at frequencies of 19% and 5%, respectively. Haplogroups C, N and Q, distinctive for Altaic and Central Asian Turkic-speaking populations, occur at the negligible frequency of only 1.5%...".

[@x-power6830]

You have a lot of wrong information. 1. Bulgars are not Turks 2. The term Bulgar comes from the Latin Vulgaris mean "the masses" and is the name given to Bulgars by the Romans, before they were called Moesi. 3. Kutrigurs, Onogurs and Saragurs are Bulgarian tribes 4. Old Great Bulgaria is located north of the Danube River to the north bank of the Kuban River

[@fakofakooglu7460]

Bulgars were Turkic people of Oghur group. Volga Bulgarians accepted Islam but stayed Turkic while Danube Bulgars accepted Christianity and later Slavicized.

[@x-power6830]

@@fakofakooglu7460 Shut up, Arabian gay.

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

X-Power Bulgar language Connected to: Turkic languages Bulgarian language Language family en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgars www.britannica.com/topic/Bulgar www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsEurope/BarbarianBulgars.htm ospreypublishing.com/armies-of-the-volga-bulgars-khanate-of-kazan From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Bulgar Region from Central Asia to the Pontic-Caspian steppe, the Volga, and the Danube, and Southern Italy (Molise, Campania) Extinct by the 9th or 10th centuries on the Danube and by the 14th century in the Volga region Language family Turkic Oghur (Lir) Bulgar Language codes ISO 639-3 xbo Linguist List xbo Glottolog bolg1250[1] Bulgar (also spelled Bolğar, Bulghar) is an extinct Oghur-Turkic language which was spoken by the Bulgars. The name is derived from the Bulgars, a tribal association which established the Bulgar state, known as Old Great Bulgaria in the mid-7th century, giving rise to the Danubian Bulgaria by the 680s.[2][3][4] While the language was extinct in Danubian Bulgaria (in favour of the Slavic Bulgarian language), it persisted in Volga Bulgaria, eventually giving rise to the modern Chuvash language.[5][6][7] Mainstream scholarship place the Bulgar language among the "Lir" branch of Turkic languages referred to as Oghur-Turkic, Lir-Turkic, or, indeed, "Bulgar Turkic" as opposed to the "Shaz"-type of Common Turkic. The "Lir" branch is characterized by sound correspondences such as Oghuric /r/ versus Common Turkic (or Shaz-Turkic) /z/, and Oghuric /l/ versus Common Turkic (Shaz-Turkic) /š/.[2][4][8] As was stated by Al-Istakhri "the language of the Khazars is different than the language of the Turks and the Persians, nor does a tongue of (any) group of humanity have anything in common with it and the language of the Bulgars is like the language of the Khazars, but the Burtas have another language.".[9] The only surviving language from this linguistic group is believed to be the Chuvash. Omeljan Pritsak in his notable study "The Hunnic Language of the Attila Clan" (1982)[10] concluded that the language of the Bulgars was from the family of the Hunnic languages, as he calls the Oghur languages.[11] According to the Bulgarian Antoaneta Granberg "the Hunno-Bulgar language was formed on the northern and western boSlavonicrders of China in the 3rd-5th c. BC."[12] Bolgar Turkic language LANGUAGE THIS IS A DIRECTORY PAGE. Britannica does not currently have an article on this topic. LEARN ABOUT THIS TOPIC in these articles: characteristics In Turkic languages: Linguistic history …early on, Common Turkic and Bolgar Turkic. The language of the Proto-Bolgars, reportedly similar to the Khazar language, belonged to the latter type. Its only modern representative is Chuvash, which originated in Volga Bolgarian and exhibits archaic features. Bolgar Turkic and Common Turkic differ in regular phonetic representations such as… READ MORE Bulgars (< Turkic bulgha- ‘to mix, stir up, disturb’, i.e. ‘rebels’) A Turkic tribal union of the Pontic steppes that gave rise to two important states: Danubian-Balkan Bulgaria (First Bulgarian Empire, 681-1018) and Volga Bulgaria (early 10th century-1241). They derived from Oghuric-Turkic tribes, driven westward from Mongolia and south Siberia to the Pontic steppes in successive waves by turmoil associated with the Xiongnu (late 3rd cent. ... ... www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780198662778.001.0001/acref-9780198662778-e-820 curiosity.lib.harvard.edu › cat... Web sonuçları Bulgars (Turkic people) - Harvard Digital Collections Creator/Contributor: Ramzī, M. M. (Muḥammad Muḥammad)., creator رمزي، م. م. ( محمد محمد). Creation Date: [1908] 1908; Subjects: Tatars--History Kazan Tatars-- ... curiosity.lib.harvard.edu/islamic-heritage-project/catalog?f%5Bcreation-date_ssim%5D%5B%5D=1908&f%5Bsubjects_ssim%5D%5B%5D=Bulgars+%28Turkic+people%29--History books.google.com.tr/books?id=Esz2vwNkzNMC&pg=PA134&lpg=PA134&dq=wusun+language&source=bl&ots=rokQrWgzsq&sig=ACfU3U2QsCFNGIrucOAnF1fmv_zgqnok7A&hl=tr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjBsPeIjPvkAhXkxoUKHSKOD6gQ6AEwC3oECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=wusun%20language&f=false www.names.org/n/kubrat/about www.historyfiles.co.uk/FeaturesEurope/EasternBulgaria_Kubrat.htm Background During the time of the late Roman Empire, the lands of present-day Bulgaria had been organized in several provinces-Scythia Minor, Moesia (Upper and Lower), Thrace, Macedonia (First and Second), Dacia (south of the Danube), Dardania, Rhodope, and Hemimont, and had a mixed population of Romanized Getae and Hellenized Thracians. During the Hunnic Invasions of Central and Eastern Europe, Turkic groups named Bulgars settled in the region. Several consecutive waves of Slavic migration throughout the sixth and the early seventh century led to the almost complete slavicisation of the region, at least linguistically. www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Bulgarian_Empire Linguistic History The Turkic languages are clearly interrelated, showing close similarities in phonology, morphology, and syntax. Historically, they split into two types early on, Common Turkic and Bolgar Turkic. The language of the Proto-Bolgars, reportedly similar to the Khazar language, belonged to the latter type. Its only modern representative is Chuvash, which originated in Volga Bolgarian and exhibits archaic features. Bolgar Turkic and Common Turkic differ in regular phonetic representations such as r versus z and l versus š-e.g., Chuvash śer versus Turkish yüz ‘hundred’; Chuvash śul versus Turkish yaš ‘age.’ Chuvash and Common Turkic are not mutually intelligible. Of the Common Turkic languages, Khalaj displays a greater number of archaic features than any other language. ADVERTISEMENT The linguistic history of the Turkic languages can be followed in written sources from the 8th century on. Attempts at interpreting earlier materials as Turkic (e.g., the identification of Hunnic elements in Chinese sources from the 4th century CE) have failed. The Uighur, Oghuz, Kipchak, and Bolgar branches were already differentiated in the oldest known period. www.britannica.com/topic/Turkic-languages The Bulgars, a Turkic nomadic people,[3] originated in the 5th-century Hunnic confederation and considered Attila their first ruler. Upon Attila's death, the tribes that later formed the Bulgars had retreated east into the Black Sea-Caspian Steppe. The western Bulgar tribes joined the Avar Khaganate, while the eastern Bulgars came under the Western Turkic Khaganate by the end of the 6th century.[4] Theophanes the Confessor called him "king of the Onogundur Huns".[5] Patriarch Nikephoros I (758-828) called Kubrat "lord of the Onuğundur"[6] and "ruler of the Onuğundur-Bulğars".[7] John of Nikiu (fl. 696) called him "chief of the Huns".[6] D. Hupchick identified Kubrat as "Onogur",[4] P. Golden as "Oğuro-Bulğar",[6] H. J. Kim as "Bulgar Hunnic/Hunnic Bulgar".[8] According to H. J. Kim the Onogundur/Onogur were evidently part of the Bulgar confederation.[9] www.wikizeroo.org/index.php?q=aHR0cHM6Ly9lbi5tLndpa2lwZWRpYS5vcmcvd2lraS9LdWJyYXQ

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Artem Falcon Bulgars are Turkic but bulgarians are slavic

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Artem Falcon Chuvashes are Hunnic origin

[@BG-du2on]

Bulgars were never turks or tatars! In the matter of fact mongol-tatar hordes devastated the old Bulgars state!

[@Nomadicenjoyer31]

Volga Bulgaria (Tatar: Идел Болгар, Chuvash: Атӑлҫи Пӑлхар) or Volga-Kama Bulghar, was a historic Bulgar[2][3][4] state that existed between the 7th and 13th centuries around the confluence of the Volga and Kama River, in what is now European Russia. Volga Bulgaria was a multi-ethnic state with large numbers of Turkic Bulgars, a variety of Finnic and Ugric peoples, and many East Slavs.[5] The very strategic position of Volga Bulgaria allowed it to create a monopoly between the trade of Arabs, Norse and Avars.[6]

[@Anzai66]

@Mert Gümüs Bulgarians are not Bulgar? Go back to school turkish troll

[@Gotse.Delchev.Reborn]

@@Nomadicenjoyer31 The Bulgar tribe was proto-Ukrainian from the lands northern Sea of Azov. Kubrat and his son Asparuh were buried in their homeland Ukraine. Tatars are an ethnic group established in the 13th century, 600 years after Asparuh and the creation of the First Bulgarian Kingdom. Volga Bulgars were not part of Asparuh's tribe. Their homeland is Kazakhstan and the North Caucasian steppes.

[@mitkodimitrov8396]

our bulgarian history before bulgaria is full with so many bullshets we dont no wat is true wat is not

[@khanimran7465]

THE GREAT TURKIC EMPIRE'S

[@zalmorxis4736]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Beatusable]

Bulgars are not Turks and are much OLDER. Turks are not the Huns. If Bulgars were Turks, then they wouldn´t be called Bulgars. Bulgars are Bulgars, and Turks are Turks.

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Bulgars are part of Turks just like Pomaks are part of Bulgarians🤣🤣😅 or Hamamshens are part of Armenians

[@Nomadicenjoyer31]

They are Turks

[@zalmorxis4736]

Look at the proto-Bulgarian rune signs and compare with linear A and B! 😉 The Bulgarian language has always been Thracian. Huns (Massagets - Moesians and Getae). The chroniclers called the proto-Bulgarians 1000 years: Moesians, Myrmidons, Peons, Cimmerians (Scythians), Huns. 😉 Attila was a European Hun (Moesian - Thracian). He was looking for a sword of the Thracian god Ares. The words registered with the Huns are: Medos and Camos, which are Thracian. Not Turkic, of course. 😉 Pro-Bulgarians and modern Bulgarians are 100% Thracian. 😉 The name BogАriаn (Bulgarian from Latin) means: Bog - God and Arian - Thracian. Thrace has the old name Aria. A Thracian is an exonym of the Greeks Danaus from Ethiopia. 😉 Slavs is the new name of the Getae. See - Theophylact Simocatta! 😉 The modern Turks really want the Bulgarians and the Huns to be Turks? 🤣 Attila too... 😄

[@Anzai66]

So delusional

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Lmao

[@TrooperDan_262]

Anyone can write anything they please these days. The internet is truely a marvellous place 😂

[@Gotse.Delchev.Reborn]

@@TrooperDan_262 National Library of Medicine (US Government) - "...the Y-chromosome gene pool in modern Bulgarians is primarily represented by Western Eurasian haplogroups with ∼ 40% belonging to haplogroups E-V13 and I-M423, and 20% to R-M17. Haplogroups common in the Middle East (J and G) and in South Western Asia (R-L23*) occur at frequencies of 19% and 5%, respectively. Haplogroups C, N and Q, distinctive for Altaic and Central Asian Turkic-speaking populations, occur at the negligible frequency of only 1.5%...".

[@ogniankamenov481]

Volga Bulgaria was founded by kanas Kotrag, son of Kubrat, brother of kanas Asparuh, founder of Danube Bulgaria. The Bulgars (or proto-Bulgarians or ancient Bulgarians) were not Turkic people. Bulgar DNA is almost 100% European. There is not a single evidence that the Bulgars spoke Turkic language. The Russian history-twisters must stop to produce faked historical papers about proto-Bulgarians (Bulgars) and thus must stop to insult Bulgarian people. Look at the faces of Volga-Bulgarian (Tatarstan) people today. Only 10% of them show some Mongolic facial features. I would say that Volga Tatars are mixture of 50% Bulgars + 40% Ugro-Finians + 8% kipchak +2% Mongolians.

[@olumluhayatbugunvarsinyari1326]

The Turkic languages are clearly interrelated, showing close similarities in phonology, morphology, and syntax. Historically, they split into two types early on, Common Turkic and Bolgar Turkic. The language of the Proto-Bolgars, reportedly similar to the Khazar language, belonged to the latter type. Its only modern representative is Chuvash, which originated in Volga Bolgarian and exhibits archaic features. The Proto-Bulgarians had a somewhat eventful history prior to their arrival on the Balkan Peninsula. The earliest written sources indicate that they inhabited the region to the north of the Caucasus in the 4th century A.D. and had close contact with the Georgians and Armenians. They belonged to the Turkic ethno-linguistic group and their language resembled that of the Huns, Khazars, Avars and other tribes. (How the bulgarian state was founded-Dimiter Angelov) The Oghur, or Onogur or Ogur[3] languages (also known as Bulgar, Pre-Proto-Bulgar,[4]or Lir-Turkic and r-Turkic), are a branch of the Turkic language family. The only extant member of the group is the Chuvash language. The first to branch off from the Turkic family, the Oghur languages show significant divergence from other Turkic languages, which all share a later common ancestor. Languages from this family were spoken in some nomadic tribal confederations, such as those of the Onogurs or Ogurs, Bulgars, and Khazars.[5]Some scholars consider Hunnic a similar language[6] and refer to this extended grouping as Hunno-Proto-Bulgarian.[7] The only surviving language from this linguistic group is believed to be Chuvash.Harvard Professor Omeljan Pritsak in his study "The Hunnic Language of the Attila Clan" (1982)[10] concluded that the language of the Bulgars was from the family of the Hunnic languages, as he calls the Oghur languages.[11] According to Antoaneta Granberg : " the data is insufficient to clearly distinguish Huns, Avars and Bulgars one from another" - introduction, the second paragraph Bolgars are still Turk in Volga region.Mahmud al kashgari wrote bulgar language in his diwan lughat al turk before 1000 years. Even ilovelanguages made video about bulgar language(volga bulgar poet from Diwan Lughat al Turk)

[@olumluhayatbugunvarsinyari1326]

Population genetic analysis indicated that Conquerors had closest connection to the Onogur-Bulgar ancestors of Volga Tatars. www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53105-5 hizliresim.com/stAHqu (Bulgar genetic proximity) Thus supporting the view that Tatars may be descendents of ancient Bulgars. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22520580/ Onogur-Bulgars had been part of the Hunnic people, and after the death of Attila’s son Irnik, European Hun remains fused with the Onogurs. www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/250688v1.full However, given the common Turkic genetic background of the Bulgars and Khazars, these ethnicities may be difficult to tell apart either archaeologically or genetically. www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2019.12.15.876912v1.full.pdf Most Tatars trace their descent to Volga Bulgars, a medieval Turkic people who have inhabited the Middle Volga and lower Kama region. online.ucpress.edu/search-results?page=1&q=Bulgars Caucasus as the first Turkic peoples (Avars, Bulgars, Huns, Khazars, Pechenegs) arrived. www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Exile www.readcube.com/articles/10.1002/9781118455074.wbeoe009

[@olumluhayatbugunvarsinyari1326]

As the number of evidence of linguistic, ethnographic and socio-political nature show that Bulgars belonged to the group of Turkic peoples.[36][24][26][30] The Bulgars (also Bolgars or proto-Bulgarians[40]) were a semi-nomadic people of Turkic descent, originally from Central Asia, who from the 2nd century onwards dwelled in the steppes north of the Caucasus and around the banks of river Volga (then Itil). en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Bulgaria Bulgars (< Turkic bulgha- ‘to mix, stir up, disturb’, i.e. ‘rebels’) A Turkic tribal union of the Pontic steppes that gave rise to two important states: Danubian-Balkan Bulgaria (First Bulgarian Empire, 681-1018) and Volga Bulgaria (early 10th century-1241). They derived from Oghuric-Turkic tribes, driven westward from Mongolia and south Siberia to the Pontic steppes in successive waves by turmoil associated with the Xiongnu (late 3rd cent. ... ... www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780198662778.001.0001/acref-9780198662778-e-820 Many Slavic tribes lived within the boundaries of the state, together with the proto-Bulgarians, a tribe of Turkic origin that had settled in the Balkan Peninsula at the end of the 7th century. www.britannica.com/biography/Boris-I The Bulgars were a Turkic tribal confederation that gave rise to the Balkan Bulgar and Volga Bulgar states.The ethynonym derives from the Turkish bulgha-,”to stir,mix,disturb,confuse.” books.google.com.tr/books?id=c788wWR_bLwC&pg=PA354&redir_esc=y&hl=tr#v=onepage&q=Bulgars&f=false (Harvard University Press) The Volga Bulgars, a Turkish tribe then living on the east bank of the Volga River, ... the laws of Islam to the Bulgars, who had recently converted to the religion. www.bookrags.com/research/ahmad-ibn-fadlan-ued/#gsc.tab=0 Eastern Bulgars , Bulgars Ancient Turkic people originating in the region n and e of the Black Sea. www.encyclopedia.com/environment/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/balkan-states Volga Bulgaria was a northeastern European Turkic state that formed during the 9th century and continued into the first four decades of the 13th century. www.readcube.com/articles/10.1002/9781118455074.wbeoe009 www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/social-science/cultures/other/bulgars-eastern referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/encyclopedia-of-slavic-languages-and-linguistics-online/*-COM_031941 referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/encyclopaedia-of-islam-3/bulghars-COM_23726 www.thefreedictionary.com/Proto-Bulgar+languages encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Bolgars xn--80ad7bbk5c.xn--p1ai/en/content/brief-history-suvar-bulgars bulgarizdat.ru/index.php/book1/article1-1 Bulgars, Eastern bŭl´gärz, -gərz [key], Turkic-speaking people, who possessed a powerful state (10th-14th cent.) at the confluence of the Volga and the Kama, E European Russia. The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia, 6th ed. Copyright © 2012, Columbia University Press. (Cambridge University Press) books.google.com.tr/books?id=Ylz4fe7757cC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=proto+bulgars&source=bl&ots=vvGsuu2J3g&sig=ACfU3U2YuPKKdgVQKhoUi2fyDiC99n4N_Q&hl=tr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiRqIaDlNvmAhWM-yoKHW38DDI4FBDoATAAegQIBRAB#v=onepage&q=proto%20bulgars&f=false Population genetic analysis indicated that Conquerors had closest connection to the Onogur-Bulgar ancestors of Volga Tatars. www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53105-5 hizliresim.com/stAHqu (Bulgar genetic proximity) Thus supporting the view that Tatars may be descendents of ancient Bulgars. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22520580/ Onogur-Bulgars had been part of the Hunnic people, and after the death of Attila’s son Irnik, European Hun remains fused with the Onogurs. www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/250688v1.full However, given the common Turkic genetic background of the Bulgars and Khazars, these ethnicities may be difficult to tell apart either archaeologically or genetically. www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2019.12.15.876912v1.full.pdf Most Tatars trace their descent to Volga Bulgars, a medieval Turkic people who have inhabited the Middle Volga and lower Kama region. online.ucpress.edu/search-results?page=1&q=Bulgars Caucasus as the first Turkic peoples (Avars, Bulgars, Huns, Khazars, Pechenegs) arrived. www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Exile www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.2307/2849381?journalCode=spc www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.2307/2853091?journalCode=spc brill.com/view/book/edcoll/9789047423560/Bej.9789004163898.i-492_006.xml The Turkic languages are clearly interrelated, showing close similarities in phonology, morphology, and syntax. Historically, they split into two types early on, Common Turkic and Bolgar Turkic. The language of the Proto-Bolgars, reportedly similar to the Khazar language, belonged to the latter type. Its only modern representative is Chuvash, which originated in Volga Bolgarian and exhibits archaic features. www.britannica.com/topic/Turkic-languages According to Antoaneta Granberg : " the data is insufficient to clearly distinguish Huns, Avars and Bulgars one from another" - introduction, the second paragraph : www.academia.edu/683028/Classification_of_the_Hunno-Bulgarian_Loan-Words_in_Slavonic Both names are best explained as corresponding to Onogundur, an old name in Greek sources for the Bulgars. www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/khazars www.yourdictionary.com/bulgar whc.unesco.org/en/list/981/ www.academia.edu/1902427/The_Islamization_of_the_Volga_Bulghars_A_Question_Reconsidered More Sources: 1drv.ms/w/s!ArU3juYblIHghhn2C4hh-bLC8FRi

[@thracian2072]

Such a stupid claim, and I've heard this before. Why would the Russians make up a false lineage for the Bulgars? And your own claim that it is somehow an "insult" to be part turkic shows your own prejudice and insecurity.

[@ogniankamenov481]

@@thracian2072 Ask yourself stupid troll

[@Nomadicenjoyer31]

Bulgars🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷

[@YUSKHAN]

No Bulgars are not Turds

[@Nomadicenjoyer31]

Bulgars are Turks

[@TheTeodorsoldierabvb]

Go claim something else so we don't spank you again like at Pleven, Odrin and Bulair :)

[@Tatkovi-px7mx]

Much love to our brothers in Volga Bulgaria from Bulgaria we love you and we do not forget family we are one ❤

[@mohamedkirgliz261]

Bulgaria belongs to the Volga Bulgars