SubZero Rogue VI 30" SCALE BARITONE GUITAR - Unboxing and First Impressions

[@KeyanHoushmandLive]

Sorry for the re-upload guys! There was an editing mistake, luckily I caught it not too late. Would you guys try a baritone guitar?

[@IAMUNTRVE]

i am currently looking for my options to buy one :) gotta go low

[@bleakduskaudio570]

it's the natural next step after a 6 string and a 7 string haha

[@Martinarroyou]

I have a 28' baritone and I'm really happy with it 👊🏻🔥

[@riffforge-guitar]

I'm currently looking for a baritone for Drop A I don't really plan on going lower

[@eclipsekitsune4837]

I'm thinking of getting a Chapman baritone, since it's just a baritone version of my current Chapman guitar.

[@mitchellburns2999]

LOATHE is single handedly driving the market for this guitar

[@dylanrice9740]

There's no lie here

[@songbird8842]

Literally

[@floridawilldrown]

Mine will be here tomorrow 🥵

[@muskydum]

Exactly why I’m buying this guitar 👍

[@escapegulag4317]

bought mine without knowing Loathe. Bought my 30 inch for the scale length and quality for the price.

[@jakepavey9487]

loathe covers right this instant please

[@timbtimb822]

i see where this leads to. subzero already made their prices more expensive and at some point they will struggle to step-up the quality. i really hope someday Fender will make a new squier baritone jazzmaster.

[@LafBoi]

Yeah when they are in their beginning preorder stage it’s usually like 300 something then halfway it goes up, then if they have any in stock it’s a bit more. I really hope they get their stuff made in a better factory.

[@EXSENTRIX]

My exact thoughts too

[@MrNotYet1]

im so sad i missed out on the squier jazzmaster baritones :ccc

[@NeoRichardBlake]

If you're looking for something like this, Harley Benton at Thomann Music has one called a GuitarBass. It has 3 single coils instead of the 2 humbuckers, but is otherwise very similar to this. I'd post a link, but they must be sold out right now, because nothing comes up in a search there right now. The Squier Bass VI is also similar. Those seem to be a bit harder to find though.

[@timbtimb822]

@@NeoRichardBlake I don't know where you're coming from, but here in Germany I can only find the squier classic bass VI on thomann. :D I'm really looking forward to buy one of these.

[@escapegulag4317]

Just got mine about a week ago and I couldnt be happier with it. Subzero is G4M now btw. The Subzero stuff they sell now is the last that they produced under that name. Got my Rogue/638 in white. Its amazing. The quality so nice, especially for the price. If someone handed me this guitar and asked me how much I think it costs I would assume 700/800 ish. My frets are ALL completely smooth. No rough edges. A tiny glue spot but that even happens with 1k and up. I am positively surprised.

[@noahzappia6144]

Got mine in the black and white. Same QA issues as yours. But still been loving the double drop D destruction.

[@SexFuneral]

That's about where my 8str warlock feels most comfy........and angry :3

[@JimboLodisC]

It exists! Looks and sounds good! Wish I bought one back when they were just $260, price seems to be increasing every day

[@millenliam]

Thanks for this video. Very interesting. I’d love a 30” baritone / Bass VI but being left handed means the Sub Zero range isn’t an option for me. Also I think it’s very easy to forget (or not even realise) that with premium guitars you’re not just paying for better pickups / hardware / wood but also workmanship and QA which this video demonstrates well. Nothing worse when buying a brand new guitar when it already feels well used...

[@drumorrison7625]

Schecter Hellraiser C-VI comes in lefty but is also 3 or 4 times the price. But very nice.

[@millenliam]

@@drumorrison7625 There's also the Revelation RJT-60 B which is very similar to the Rogue VI (in both design and price, as well as availability unfortunately) which I've currently got on pre-order.

[@phobos7176]

@@millenliam thank you! I’ve been searching for an alternative to the SubZero for us unfortunate lefties for a while now, emailed numerous companies who either ignore you or fob you off with the typical supply and demand excuse... gonna see if I can pick a used one up for now

[@millenliam]

@@phobos7176 they’re really hard to find both new and used right now (believe me - my one has been on preorder for almost a year now, and only seen one come up second hand in that time which I wasn’t quick enough the grab). There is apparently new stock coming here into the UK next month, so worth hitting up some revelation guitars retailers.

[@phobos7176]

@@millenliam thanks man, yeh a quick google search pretty much gave as much away! Loads of eBay listings that as soon as you click on them say item no longer available! How much did you pay if you don’t mind me asking?

[@ZRisyad]

First time I see this guitar, my mind goes to LOATHE

[@motoxjosh29]

"i under-estimated how long this was actually going to be" - Thats what she said....

[@LarryLooseman]

In 2003?

[@calmdown.7646]

can't relate. more like 2:18

[@brotherterrence]

Man these things sold out so quick. I've been eyeing one for ages.

[@justinhill1337]

ngl ive watched this like 20 times just for those riffs and dat heavy tone

[@thebunn]

Nice! You crush this machine! Hahaaa!

[@KeyanHoushmandLive]

Thanks dude!

[@davidhollowelljr949]

Fancy seeing you here, Bunn. Ha!

[@hglenn2k]

can’t wait to see what you do with this

[@jackyrachman233]

The sound is so good, I wish to have one of that someday

[@mtempz3165]

QC Aside, this is a gorgeous model. Solid review brother

[@053DAX]

Just got mine today. Pickups sound great imo!!

[@justevan877]

YES I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THIS!!!!! Also great job on cranking out all of this new content!

[@Knosferatu]

Id love to hear how it would sound with say 12 -70 gauge strings in Drop G. Thick string sounds so muddy. Amazing video and playing as usual bro. So glad I found this channel.

[@DravenZord]

I think it would sound super boss too. Currently I have a 30" scale in drop F# 16-80 strings on it.

[@DJENTISNTNOTAGENRE]

Mine was packaged even worse. The outside box was all smashed up and part of it was missing lol. The guitar was fine, though, thankfully. I can't wait to hear how those Impulses sound in it! I put a Seymour Duncan Pegasus in mine and it's brutal 🔥

[@end_evr]

Was curious about these, thanks! 😎🤘

[@allenfertgus354]

I soooo wanna hear this beast through some distortion like a tube screemer or something more grindcore application. I just might have to throw on this this year to piddle around with. My gaud does this already sound amazing just here.

[@teniejc]

Yeah, i love the distort tone he used at the end but its much more metalcore-y

[@TheTeaTVI]

try a band called fromjoy :(: , they pull off this vibe pretty well

[@willh9104]

They need to make more, can't get my hands on one of these!

[@BEERANID40k]

I have a VM Squier VI and was wondering about one of these as a 2nd someday but, yeah, I’m seeing used versions of the Classic Vibe for around $100 more than these without the obvious QC issues. These are actually really expensive for what they are imo. TLDR thanks for posting.

[@justaamateur6533]

Id say the construction on these is just better suited for metal. Tune o matic instead of the janky ass brudge of the squiers, 2 humbuckers instead of the 3 singlecoils and rhytm circut

[@ianskelding5493]

I had the rogue vi, it's mistakenly termed as a baritone, in fact it's a bass vi tuned the same as a standard tune an octive lower

[@sp00g37]

i love the differences between baritones and 7 strings. 7 strings just go lower, baritones are 6 strings designed to be in lower tunings. granted i think they have tone differences, but i like the differences.

[@diogodomingos6615]

Can't wait for mine to arrive!

[@chrausis]

Sounds sick, I need one of these in my life

[@worlddivides3794]

Cant wait to hear it with the bareknuckle and in a full mix

[@Xatrian]

Looks nasty! Cannot wait for the future upgrades, that guitar will demolish galaxies.

[@perryrodent]

I seem to have gotten one from the same lot: Ordered in december for February Album Writing Month, received on March 1st. You made me aware of the rough headstock backside, haha. Also the tuners pointing down makes tuning pretty awkward. But overall I'm happy with the instrument, for 250 EUR you can't go wrong.

[@mardvkmedia3159]

I think the sweetspot for low tuning is drop A. anything tuned below G# or G starts to sound reaaaal muddy to my ears, regardless of gauge/tension/scale length. probably something to do with how the high gain affects frequencies below that threshold

[@g.koch.]

Same for me

[@Eyeyamgod]

neither of you know what you're talking about. Tuning down To G, F, or Double Drop D with proper scale lenght like on 7 and 8 strings guitars and up with the proper string gauges 80 ,90 and up and it will not sound muddy at all. IM on drop F# and it sounds crispy and bright.

[@g.koch.]

@@Eyeyamgod good for you, I have a Prs Baritone 27" with .64, a Bass VI 30" set up with an .99 and a converted 26.5" 7 String to Tenor in F# with an .80 on the bottom. In my ears it just sounds not good deeper, thats where I agreed, A is for me the limit. I avoid distorted my upper E frets on the VI, clean I'm fine with it.. it's just not pleasing to hear for me and not means I have "no idea what I'm talking about" it's just a preference of the Notes, simple my own opinion and not a "no knowledge of the materia" situation. Just as I don't favor cheese 😉.

[@hannes1734]

@@g.koch. Of course a tuning below G won't sound good on such a short scale guitar. You really need that 28" or longer scale for anything below that to really sound good.

[@g.koch.]

@@hannes1734 like stated above, I just personal don't favor the tone that comes out deeper than an A..a Bass VI is 30"

[@inhertombbythesoundingsea]

11:10 that's Black !

[@ricardonikolac8524]

I can't wait for the video with the bare knuckle pic up on it!!!

[@AzureNightsMusic]

Got mine 2 weeks ago. Relatively happy overall with it. But going to need to take it to a tech

[@justevan877]

hope you use this in some new vids!

[@SaintCharbelMakhlouf420]

Riff at 9:00 - original idea or from a song?

[@alexanderroman5441]

What are the string gauges?

[@coralismmusic496]

Do you think you could use this guitar as a bass guitar in other genres? As well as the low tuned heavy goodness

[@bdlvck5205]

Hi! Thanks for the video. Could you recommend a string set to tune to drop E1? I'm having issues finding such set. For now I just combined strings from a bass set and a guitar set from Ernie Ball. They are 13-80 the 80 is a bass string and I would prefer something more like 78? Is there such set anywhere? :) Thanks in advance for the answer!

[@BaresEatBeats]

“Even the low D... it’s pretty much been sat in place the whole time, and I’ve been beating the crap out of it.” 😏

[@chusamusic1409]

I have one just like that but I can't get the anything close high gain growl from it and my MT15

[@danielsgrunge]

It looks badass

[@goldon88]

Hey what's that riff at 9:09?

[@EightPenguins]

After 8:34 I almost started crying

[@FlorenciaE]

Very cool guitar where did you order this from to Australia?

[@voidabstraction]

Anyone know the string/pole spacing for these? Can't find it anywhere... ordered the guitar and looking to get some Seymour Duncan pickups to swap.

[@strafer1871]

Was gonna pick one of these us but went with an actual Bass VI instead but hoping to put himbuckers in someone

[@JarrodKTkach]

Where can I buy one? When I Google them no retailers have them for sale. (us)

[@syukridoesmusic927]

sounds like a fking beast for its price damn 😍😍

[@domagojoinky8262]

Gretsch baritone or Squier VI, which one should I get ?

[@drumorrison7625]

Schecter Hellraiser C-VI. Not as frugal though.

[@sludgeon]

what about Schecter Hellcat VI

[@megatyaesree]

Amazing!

[@joeschmitt3881]

What gauge strings do you use on it in that double drop D? Obviously, it would require the proper setup.

[@kodaavkin_music]

How is the string action on that? I like mine really low since this thing is only 350 I'm worried about the quality.

[@Forest_V19]

What’s the actual tuning used in this? I know it’s drop D but like what is each string tuned to?

[@NeoRichardBlake]

Usual drop D is DADGBE, this is just an octave lower like a bass. Drop tuning, as opposed to standard tuning, implies that you're dropping the low string an extra step down, so that power chords on the low strings can be played just by barring the three strings at the same fret. Std tuning: EADGBE, drop D: DADGBE

[@Forest_V19]

@@NeoRichardBlake Thanks! Say I wanted to tune this guitar to that tuning, would I be able to do that with the stock strings?

[@NeoRichardBlake]

@@Forest_V19 Yes. It's already tuned to EADGBe, you would just be detuning the low string a bit.

[@matttuttiett6741]

What gauge strings are you using in this vid?

[@StebioVods]

I have this guitar and it's so sick

[@trunks828]

I’ve owned this guitar for about a year now. My package came the same way. It came good but the neck started to crack in time out of no where that was fixed but one thing to keep in mind and it’s important this instrument does not like climate change at all! I’ve had fret end stab me twice so far since I’ve own it. Also my pickups came loose I changed mine for a Duncan jazz in the neck and a Duncan distortion in the bridge also a good 500k pot made this thing sound way better it’s one of my main guitars Locking tuners also.

[@PaulMabenMusic]

Can we also get standard tuning with regular light gauged strings ?

[@Dampzombieslayer]

I believe you can

[@ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy]

The entire concept of a Bass VI is low E-Standard, so that is the factory tuning. Although a lot of people tune it UP to Drop-E.

[@kennethsmith2738]

He starts playing at 7:13

[@alexwr]

Thank you!

[@butterflysrage]

"this thing is absolutely stupid, I love it" Can't think of a better reaction.

[@mountainstepper]

I'll definitely be picking one up at some point, shame about the headstock, not the prettiest.

[@burritoranosaurus2704]

So would you recommend it for someone who wants to figure out if baritone guitars are something for him? (Like me for example)

[@LarryLooseman]

Will you do anything else to it? Change pickups or whatever?

[@alexlawley2059]

I've got one, it arrived completely out of the interior box and has all the same QC issues yours has. Flagged them to G4M and they said it was unusual but looking at other people's videos its standard for these. Shame, but they are sick for the price.

[@SstalkerS]

What kind of string gauge does this thing need?

[@boarderking133]

can i get that nameless preset?

[@ryanmekkes5239]

Does this guitar intonate?

[@GodOfWhine]

So I take it 1-5 fret stretches are a no go on a 30"?

[@Finch_Martin_]

I play a 37” and I can stretch from 1-4, you should be able to on a 30” just fine. Shouldn’t be any harder than doing that on an 8 string

[@JuanEsquivel-ex8nv]

@@Finch_Martin_ what kind of bass is 37"? That shit has to sound nasty

[@TinkerToneworks]

@@JuanEsquivel-ex8nv dingwall maybe?

[@JuanEsquivel-ex8nv]

@@TinkerToneworks hey, by any chance are you on agufish's discord? Also didn't know dingwalls were 37' when i commented this lol

[@TinkerToneworks]

@@JuanEsquivel-ex8nv yep

[@Карательшкур-н4ю]

What kind of strings?

[@bizzle_cs]

so its a regular six string right? am I just hearing the tones of the baritone? Just thought it was a bass at first

[@Ramble1234]

EADGBE but down an octave.

[@hansentwins9738]

slappp!! davie would b proud

[@siegfriedstrauss]

2:55 "That's what she said!"

[@BrayanAndrew1]

dope!

[@thb219]

Put thicker strings on it. The 84 for the low E ist just not thick enough for double drop D.

[@jaywright33]

That Thornhill hoodie though

[@KachZz]

Now that we're done ripping QC to shreds... Joke's on you mate, they don't have any quality control haha. But to be honest SubZero and Hartwood are amazing guitars for the price. I don' t know how the actual physical quality holds up in a long run, but tone is great for the instrument in that price range.

[@anonymouswolvenclaw536]

What string gauge is on the thiccest string?

[@Asyouwere]

90

[@reneebear3641]

I don’t know why I expected him to play djent in drop D1 tbh.

[@reneebear3641]

Never mind, I didn’t hit 8:50 yet.

[@angriboi704]

Maaan did you see the white one??

[@ZL1LoVeR]

2:46… yup 😂

[@asherplatts6253]

Everyone uses these as Loathe or Meshuggah style djent guitars or tiktak bass guitar, but nobody demonstrates what it would sound like as a bass. So... what does it sound like when used as a bass?

[@rordrom3234]

Wow. That sound great for a cheap bass VI!

[@LafBoi]

Yeah I’m buying like 4 of these.

[@justus4684]

Has anyone bought it? Have you noticed quality issues etc? Please tell me😊

[@053DAX]

no issues at all. going to upgrade the tuners only. pups sound naaaasty

[@justus4684]

@@053DAX Thanks😊

[@GaryHiebner]

Welcome to Bass VI World. You can go stupid low on them. I took my Jazzmaster 30 inch dow to A0. Ebjoy the guitar. Cant wait to hear some stupid low riffa from you.

[@NickTheSickDick]

What string gauge were you using for that low A?

[@leobury7724]

How did it sound?

[@AaronMorgan666]

@@NickTheSickDick I'd assume .090 or a guitar string 105. I only specified guitar string because people sometimes use bass strings which is dumb because bass strings are double wrapped and have a way thicker core. .090 is preferred 105 is way too much

[@NickTheSickDick]

@@AaronMorgan666 All strings that thick are double wrapped. The .72 in my custom stringjoy set is double wrapped too , it just has to be, with a single layer of wrapping at that thickness the string would be way too stiff.

[@AaronMorgan666]

@@NickTheSickDick i had no idea. O guess that makes sense because of the tapers. But I still would not use a bass string when you can get a guitar string for pretty much any gauge.

[@just-inc1931]

I got struggle finding the right string gauge for Drop B / Standard B The 30 inch scale makes the Strings very strong and stable … no bendings or good solo-feeling… runnin now with 13-64 by XL Strings 😂

[@xrainymondayx]

This guitar isn't made for that kind of tuning or playstyle, just like a regular 25.5 scale guitar isn't made for Drop E1. You're not supposed to solo on this guitar, the same way you're not supposed to solo on a regular bass guitar. You *can*, but it's going to be a pain in the ass over a regular guitar. You only lose by tuning this kind of guitar to Drop B / standard B. Obviously do what you want, but for that high of a tuning (which is crazy to say lol) you're better off using a regular scale guitar.

[@mirokontio]

Hard to find this at the moment because if you order this from gear4music you need to wait like next October...f*ck

[@ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy]

I bought one on Christmas Day. The page said "available to order," and the delivery date was the fifth of January. Then, the delivery got pushed back to mid-January. Then, the delivery got pushed back to late January. Then, the delivery got pushed back to early February. That was when I said no, and cancelled my order. The webpage is very misleading. If it is not IN STOCK, it should not say "available to order," because it obviously is NOT available. If the website says "available to order," you had better be able to take one off the wall, and immediately ship it out. In any case, maybe I dodged a bullet. You obviously got a B-Stock, as did Matt from Ratho Quarter. In my own case, me waiting for literal MONTHS for them to ship me a B-Stock, without them telling it IS a B-Stock, that is not acceptable. I probably would have returned it anyway. I don't want to deal with dishonest companies.

[@frederikrose6146]

Kinda the same thing that happened to me. Ordered it when it said it could be delivered Feb. 18th. Got confirmation for Feb 18th. Waited a week or so. Checked my account on the page. Delivery was changed to mid september without notifying me. Got my money back a month after promised.

[@blix4199]

That tuning doesn’t sound like double drop D; it seems to be standard tuning dropped by a whole tone (obviously an octave down). Double drop D would be D A D g b d. Surely you’re tuned to D G C f a d ?

[@ariaahoura1588]

keyhan :D love u from iran :D

[@BLeeMuller]

I ordered this on Jan 3rd and got it in late Feb. My QC was better than yours but still had some issues. Great guitar.

[@michaelbalser7447]

Unfortunately, this guitar sells for 350 euros here in Germany, so pretty much more money than where you bought it. Maybe I'll give it a try anyway.

[@Mark_Williams300]

It's a Bass VI, not a baritone. Basically a 6 string short scale bass. Baritones are typically 27" scale length. They (G4M/Subzero) also do a baritone under the Paradigm name.

[@marijandesin8226]

Basically Shechter Hellcat from from 20 years ago

[@majesticpbjcat7707]

2:30 That's what she said

[@majesticpbjcat7707]

2:55 also what she said?

[@Tyldenfilm]

Confused about the name of the guitar, though. Why call it a baritone AND a VI? Those are not the same. You wouldn't call a Fender Bass VI a baritone.

[@АндрейЧмыхалов-ф8ц]

jeez...where I can buy this one?

[@ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy]

At this point, you cannot. The webpage says October. Even then, don't trust the delivery date. When I ordered one, it said delivery would be the 5th of January. But the delivery kept getting pushed back, pushed back, pushed back. When they finally told me mid-February, that was when I snapped, and cancelled my order. Keep in mind the website told me it was in-stock the entire way through that ordeal. When I cancelled my order, I sent them a VERY lengthy, and VERY angry-worded letter. Almost overnight, the website changed to "not currently in stock," and the date changed to August. Basically, this is a very dishonest company. So, if you order one now, you very well could be waiting until March of NEXT YEAR, just for them to ship you a B-Stock without telling you it is a B-Stock. Of course, you should not waste your time with dishonest companies anyway. You would be better to just buy a Squier Classic Vibe Bass VI.

[@АндрейЧмыхалов-ф8ц]

@@ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy wow..that's a shame... Thank you About squier - Don't really like bass IV shape. SubZero was more like a regular Jazzmaster body, more like an electric guitar than bass.

[@ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy]

@@АндрейЧмыхалов-ф8ц You do make a great point about the Jazzmaster body. The only problem there is the used market (Read: REVERB) has Baritone Jazzmasters selling for more than triple the brand-new price. In other words, you would get scammed coming and going. However, a Squier Classic Vibe Bass VI can be bought brand-new from a music store. No need to get scammed on Reverb. The stupid thing is Reverb has these listed for double the brand-new price, even though you can get them brand-new from a music store, because some idiot on Reverb WILL pay it. So, you have a choice. Get scammed for a Baritone Jazzmaster, buy a Squier Classic Vibe Bass VI brand-new, or wait to see what everyone is making next year.

[@SuicidalChocolateSK]

thorny hoodie