Succession HBO: Roy Family - Logan Dinner Singing scene, S4E10

[@williammccormick984]

They were always just the 'kids outside his office playing."

[@danielninkovic1074]

Yesss and they thought by earning his position they'd earn his love

[@Pyrethryn]

Well said. They were never invited to the adult table.

[@frankie3010]

No, they played that game with him before. Shiv can even guess what he's gonna say.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

We never see each of them (besides Connor) really working at their office. Mostly, they like to walk around, on the meeting, critizise people, and them making chaos. While we see Tom and Greg are mostly on their office tables, working, looking at their computer, typing, checking on the data or whatsoever.

[@tonyluong6732]

​@@frankie3010 until Gerri starts her verse and they realize they never heard that part

[@bigdingus5359]

Shows a side of Logan that his kids could never see. Logan surrounded by a group of “serious people” (and Conner)

[@JoelTrujillo]

Conheads arent gonna like this comment.

[@bruhmoment11111]

​@@JoelTrujilloThe thing about Connor is he knew he wasn't "serious" and never jockeyed for position. That's part of why he didn't have any big conflict with his dad until he tried a serious presidential campaign.

[@ryanneale6501]

I mean Shiv makes it seem like he's done that with them before, saying "I'm surprised he still remembers it".

[@bigdingus5359]

@@ryanneale6501 that implies that she herself hasnt seen him sing it in a long time. She may have not been privy to many of the times where Logan loosened up like in this scene.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

So, Kerri is serious too?

[@gracecalis5421]

Ironic that the apparent "cast-out" of the family, Connor, is the only one of the four siblings to have experienced a side of Logan that the other three have been coveting their whole lives. Honestly, good for him

[@Timburton_4]

Ellos lo llamaban así yo creo que envidiaban en el fondo la conexión padre e hijo que ellos jamás experimentaron ni con su mamá también la ignoraban se creían más inteligentes que todos

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Whenever we see Connor and Logan are interracting, it's watching casual Son and Father interracting. Connor also treats him with respect and even calling him "Pa" or "Pop". Deep down, Connor still hurts for Logan's neglicence and also for putting his mom on asylum and also makes him being alone since he was a kid. But, Connor learns how to survive with no love for years. Even he said that if Willa doesn't truly love him and just leave him whenever she wants, he's ready. It's also surprising how Connor doesn't go to dark path like being a criminal or even being a drug addict like Kendall with that kind of life.

[@roychen5235]

Connor was better at accepting logan's love or lack thereof. He was born before Logan became Uber wealthy, and seemed to like, until he got old and has a midlife crisis and wants to be president, content with just being a rich playboy. The other siblings seem to not value money at all. And logan seems to largely not be capable of love except through being a provider.

[@its_elkku135]

This scene was actually insanely good. I don't think we've ever seen Logan acting anything like that in this show before. It puts so much in a new perspective

[@soroushm2498]

It’s because we always saw him from their perspective and not from an objective viewpoint Logan wasn’t a monster like we all used to think…he was just….a person

[@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ]

​He was indeed a monster. This is a man who did an incredible amount of abuse and crimes without facing the consequences. Let's not pretend he was normal or grey because he had a scene in which he sang. ​@@soroushm2498

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Also, Logan is always refused to tell his personal life to his kids because he's ashamed of it until Ewan spoke the facts on his funeral. Logan has too much dignity and pride, he's so out of touch for reality. He's even abandoning his kids to his company because his real kid is the company, his real baby.

[@80ki68]

​@@soroushm2498 He definitely was a monster. The kids weren't deluded, he absolutely did abuse them, and he also abused the people that he was vulnerable around - especially Connor. The kids in this scene are seeing the humanity in their father that he basically never showed to them, but every monster has humanity. It's not a case of Logan being redeemed through his softer side, its a case of the kids seeing what they never had.

[@chad5770]

This is when they realized they were outsiders...

[@leandromadeireira8840]

I keep thinking, if we have succession but in the eyes of Gerri, Frank and Karl, how much would we hate the siblings, except for Connor.

[@iloveads123]

​@@leandromadeireira8840Gerri,Frank and Karl were working in the company since the kids were kids, at least since the 90s Karl repeatedly says They meritocratically speaking deserved it more than the kids That is why Tom is perfect for the CEO,a trucker liver out of the mud who by himself reached the top society where he meets Shiv, without having anything at the beginning unlike his wife and brothers

[@leandromadeireira8840]

@@iloveads123 yeah true, something that this series had taught me is that, this rich people are not different, or intellectual people, that they want us to believe, shure some may actually have earned they keep, but a lot are just sons of dads and mother's, that the only reason they know so much about finances and etc..., is because they could buy the education for it. This series explained to me why we sometimes saw some ceos doing stupid stuff like in Unity for example, before i though it must have a more complicated reason they don't won't show the public, but now, i know, they just made a stupid mistake. I wouldn't say Tom is perfect, but definitely a better choice than the kids, he doesn't have this ego and will of controlling the company like the others, he will obey the shareholders, and he is actually competent, unlike Romam who fired Gerri, one of the best and most competent works, because of feelings, and Kendall thinking this was a good idea.

[@medb8882]

Logan was being so disrespectful by interrupting a Celtic song being sung during late night/early drinks

[@margarethmichelina5146]

When you think about it, his kids could be the reincarnations of the old guards. Kendall as Frank, Roman as Karl and Shiv as Gerri. But, sadly, none of them fit the criteria of the old guards and all of them are always disrespecting them. Roman always rude to Frank despite Frank is his mentor to be COO and also sexually assaulted Gerri, Shiv is always rude to Gerri despite Gerri is her Godmother, Pretty much all of them always being rude to Karl. But, Kendall is mostly respecting Frank despite all of his flaws.

[@nickatwork]

Connor and Logan getting along and Logan being able to take a joke shows such a different side to him

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Too be fair, whenever we see Logan and Connor are talking, we see the bond between Father and Son and they talk casually like son and father. Meanwhile, Logan treats his other kids mostly like his co-workers and the kids are trying to be polite but they act like smartass most of the time especially how Kendall can be aggresive and cocky, Roman talks dirty and Shiv mostly talks whatever she wants and being too direct. Meanwhile, look at Connor talks to him, he mostly being casual, chill, relax and even calling him "Pa" or "Pop" and Logan mostly way relax with Connor rather than his other kids.

[@ty814]

Conor and Logan always talks like Father-Son scenario.

[@nullakjg767]

@@margarethmichelina5146 except when hes begging for money for his stupid presidential campaign

[@camauinga]

"For Kendall, Roman, and Shiv, it must feel like a slap in the face. Who is this man? Why did they never see him? What kind of relationship, really, could they be said to have with their father?"

[@cameronschiff132]

What is that from, the screenplay?

[@sun.sneezer]

This may be my favorite scene of the last season. Here is Logan's humanity distilled. He's appreciating a simple folk song, a song of the common people, that could not be farther from his monstrous legacy, entirely back to his boyhood roots. There is nothing in the tape to suggest any typical Succession dynamics. There is no power play, no motive, no angle. Kerry rests her head on his shoulder. He is in the moment, present, appreciative as he can be. I think the siblings weep not just for their father but for themselves -- in their eyes I sense a hollowness... when was the last time any of them appreciated a song, or sang just to sing, or engaged with anything creative or nurturing or supportive of others? As much of a monster Logan was he was also deeply human, but in the end could not pass on the humane aspects to his children -- maybe Connor, but all the Roys grew up blinded and ultimately crippled with gilded promises.

[@asapdammoh8272]

Great insight and analysis

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Also, you notice every time Logan and Connor are interracting, you see a casual Father and Son bonding? Logan mostly always smiling and relaxing whenever he talks with Connor and Connor even call him "Pa" or "Pop". Connor deep down still resents him for neglecting him but he has growing up with no love for years, he's very used to it. He's even said if Willa leaves him for real, he's ready. Meanwhile, for the rest of Logan's kids, all they want to get is his approval. They become aggresive if he doesn't do what they want and throw him under the bus. They all are still children inside adult's body. They are all the kids who's playing outside their dad's office. They also don't like rejection, instead of taking it like real adults, they rebel against him. Connor is the only one who takes rejection kindly but he's never giving up and keep going like how his weird campaign for being the president fail, he later wants to expanse his business on Slovenia.

[@VDA19]

Connor really won. He's the only one who has a happy memory with their dad and parted on good terms, despite always being the 'outsider' in the 4 sibling group.

[@ryanevans8566]

Score one for the first pancake...

[@dirdib69]

As much as Logan treated his business inner circle like crap, he also respected them. They had earned their place, in a way that the kids never could.

[@Timburton_4]

Si me di cuenta cuando Gerry le grita con lo del FBI el solo aceptó lo que dijo no le gritó devuelta jamás y se molestó con Román por mandarle sus cosas a gerry

[@medb8882]

He was disrespectful to interrupt the Scottish song as it was being sung during drinks, but I suppose it’s a cultural difference in the states that you can do that

[@roychen5235]

​@medb8882 It makes sense, logan is still a rude dick, it would be weird if he was a completely different character in his inner circle. But yeah, he has an affectionate side which explains why the old guard are still so loyal to him even though he treats them like crap.

[@saahwn1871]

The song that Karl sings is a Robert burns song, who is perhaps scotlands most famous poet. In essence the song is about living simply and taking pleasure in things while you can. Interesting to watch Logan’s reaction to this song-so much to unpack

[@nathane6972]

Man, this was so powerful. The entire show you're told that Connor was the forsaken child. Then here, at the very end, you see that Connor and the Waystar vets were closer to Logan than Ken, Roman, and Shiv could ever hope to be

[@billybatts8283]

His first born was his favourite.

[@diamondsprince]

fuck thats so sad. They dont ever act like that when the kids are around

[@margarethmichelina5146]

In the end the kids are just the kids who are playing outside of their dad's office and also playing toy soldiers. They treat the company as their playground until adulthood.

[@livvw]

This scene is devastating for the kids, they were never part of Logan's world.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Except for Connor because Connor has survived of Logan's neglect for a long time and he's not as depressed as the other 3.

[@LORDSPOOKY]

@@margarethmichelina5146 Also connor is literally there in the video

[@gabrielangulo4764]

The siblings “where was that kind man 30 years ago?”

[@ibzy1211]

i loved this scene so much, they were all crying out of joy to see their father experience happiness but crying out of sadness because they never experienced that themselves as children

[@nonono9681]

Or as adults, they were the real outcasts

[@margarethmichelina5146]

I bet for their entire life, they never have a private time with Logan to relax and fun like Connor who mostly always talking with Logan casually in non business situation. You notice every time Connor is babbling to him, Logan is always smiling even just a bit? Meanwhile, with his other kids, it's about business, arguments and also conflicts. This scene is like a huge slap in the face for them because they never see their father act like this in their entire life. They mostly catch for his love but he's never give his love to them because they are not mature enough.

[@RipJaws1]

This scene was everything. I was laughing, I was crying, I was blown away. This is probably my favorite scene from the finale

[@dirdib69]

"He kept us outside, but he kept everyone outside. When he let you in - when the sun shone - it was warm. Yeah, it was warm in the light." This was doubly painful - they'd had glimpses of this from Logan, but only glimpses. A window, a keyhole, a screen - they were always looking in from the outside. Logan didn't know how to be a father, he only knew how to be a boss.

[@JeffreyGillespie]

Roman getting off on Gerry’s limerick 😂

[@BohemianRaichu]

The internet has not yet provided me with a stand alone video of Connor's Logan Roy teapot impression, and I'm struggling to understand why.

[@djsleeper]

here u go yo! kzbin.infob8ziqA_SjIQ

[@tilck1987]

It breaks my heart to see Roman's soul die when he Gerry does her bit. I feel your pain

[@mchi6621]

1:57 noone want to talk about who that is in the background? I swear thats him LOL

[@garretthaslam3869]

I mean probably not. But that's such a cool, creepy theory

[@racatkns9977]

Either Logan suddenly grew luscious blonde locks or it’s Willa

[@klina7645]

In the final office scene, when Kendall, Shiv and Roman were screaming at each other, it also looks like Logan casually strolls by in the hallway 😂.

[@klina7645]

@@racatkns9977 Willa's standing behind Connor in the dining room. But it looks like someone standing further back in the doorway.

[@universalpower419]

​@@klina7645isn't it greg? He was there too I believe

[@thisisthemactan]

It’s hilarious that Logan, who lived and died a Catholic, still calls Al Smith “of the Vatican”

[@marykay7878]

What does that mean ? I am Catholic but didn't get it

[@thisisthemactan]

@@marykay7878 Back before Kennedy proved that Catholics could win national office a common attack leveled at Catholics running for national office was that they would be loyal to the Pope above America, so it’s funny to hear the Catholic Logan Roy saying basically the same thing about Al Smith, who was the first Catholic to win a major party’s presidential nomination

[@sithersproductions]

​@marykay7878 He was a catholic candidate for President in the 20s and lost because of bigotry

[@Aelcyx]

Kind of runs counter to Connor's line after learning his father passed away. Unless Connor just said what he thought his siblings wanted to hear. Or because he was insensed about Logan missing his wedding...

[@ryanneale6501]

He wanted to make him proud, and I believe he believes he did not.

[@vicvega5971]

I think he was ok spending time with Connor, but you don't have to like someone to spend time with them, only tolerate them. Logan didn't respect him, or thought highly of him, he simply tolerated his presence because Connor wasn't trying to prove himself worthy of him.

[@Aelcyx]

@@vicvega5971 fair point but he really exposed himself at those dinners. It seemed to be for some inner sanctum

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Also, Connor is the only one who knows Logan really is. He knows that Logan is just a power hungry man who lost his humanity and neglect his children. Look at how his half siblings are, they are act spoiled, arrogant and also compete with each others. Logan brainwashed all of them to be battling with each other and be petty. Connor even said that if Willa doesn't want him anymore and leave him for good, he's ready. Also, Connor ends up being the kid who is happy to do whatever he wants as he didn't become the president, he still wants to expanse his business at Slovenia. While others have no purpose anymore.

[@lugie69]

The kids probably only saw this side of Logan a few times in their lives, and have been chasing it ever since. By being in the business, they only deprived themselves of what little genuine warmth he had to give. This show about narcissists eating themselves and each other is the saddest and most human work of art in the history of television.

[@GraverGames]

Yeah, cried pretty hard watching this scene today during yet another series rewatch. Just like it hurts for the kids to never get these rare moments with their father again (they did exist, such as in the Thanksgiving episode), it hurts me that this show has come to an end and that these characters' stories are finished. I truly never wanted it to end, even though it was absolutely the right decision...

[@ryanhodor1833]

Roman’s face at 2:49 is absolutely devastating

[@aeh5109]

That's why I think Connor is the smartest sibling

[@jcnom6606]

i truly do believe that Logan (as much as is possible for him) was acting out of the best interest in selling the company and ending "the game" so he could reset the family dynamic before his death

[@joepagram8287]

I think that’s definitely part of it. Him hoping the end of the family owning waystar would allow the siblings to find their own paths which would be more suitable for them and make them happier. However it’s also about Logan’s need to dominate and fucking win! So I like to think it’s a bit of both as this scene showed there was humanity there.

[@roychen5235]

​@@joepagram8287 I think Brian Cox mentions in an interview. He does love the kids but he doesnt know how hes just incredibly stubborn and wants things his way.

[@joepagram8287]

@@roychen5235 personally I think that might just be how Brian as an actor wants to humanise his character more but that’s just my opinion. If that had come from the show runner or the writers I’d be more convinced. I think perhaps he loves his children like only a narcissist can, as reflections of himself physically and mentally. Trying to make them more like him while also not allowing anyone of them to eclipse him.

[@spookyzeta]

Logan had vast wealth, but moments like these were his real treasure. In the end, maybe their memories together were the greatest gift Logan's company ever gave them.

[@maki9396]

At the funeral Kendall said "my two siblings", and the camera never showed Connor's reaction. Connor probably didn't even flinch. He's been on the outside of his siblings, but inner circle with dad the whole time

[@TonyFromSyracuse101]

This speaks to any of us who have lost parents… And you come across something new from them you had no part of…. And you somehow wish you could’ve been there.

[@concernedspectator]

Connor sitting off to the side, quietly taking care of them as always in Logan’s absence

[@rnadomj]

For a brief moment they weren’t looking at the great business and political tyrant that was the simultaneous antagonist and guide of their lives. For just this small moment, all they saw was their dad and they missed him.

[@SmileytheSmile]

Funny how the most touching moment of the series was instigated... by Karl.

[@dirdib69]

I wonder if Kendall reaching out and holding Shiv's arm was in the script or spontaneous.

[@454ffv]

Why did Conor say he doesn’t know how long ago this was when he’s in the video 😂😂

[@dr.wolfstar1765]

Oh the conheads are not going to like this question

[@Arwenpii]

He said he doesnt know how many weeks ago. Which means it was recent-ish but he can't remember exactly.

[@hiduck8247]

​@@Arwenpiiwhich kinda implies that stuff like this happened more often

[@goldoriak3659]

@@hiduck8247 Or that his father's death, the campaign and everything else kinda messed with his time perception.. but yeah, maybe that stuff happened more often than we could think

[@Narokkurai]

There's a sadness to the way he sings that last line: "The finest hours, that ere I spent, were spent among the lassies, oh." I think he's remembering a very dark moment. Remember the Wolf Pack?

[@asapdammoh8272]

All the kids deserved their Emmys

[@dicenqueeresantigua6415]

There's a huge difference between this little friend gathering and his arrenged birthday parties!

[@Mosstrades]

the shot where the three of them are fighting back tears and holding onto each other made my stomach lurch. they really got the way this sort of thing feels. it's unbearable

[@malduf]

If any one scene from the entire series can be said to capture the genius of Jesse Armstrong, this is it. It is a wrenching scene: the kids suddenly get a glimpse, but only through time and on video, of the tender side of this hard-nosed Scotsman. The filming, the acting and direction are flawless. The choice of song is the absolute cherry on the cake. Robert Burns preceded the emergence of Scottish industrialists but he would known the type. He was politically radical, a socialist, and a supporter of American independence. As a poet he knew men without women are hollow things and we got to see Logan's "lasses," gathered together by Caroline at his funeral. I've never cared so much for characters I didn't like. Succession set the bar impossibly high.

[@strangerrrrrrr]

logan jumping a bit lol

[@Navi0076]

So how I see it...... Frank, Gerri, and Karl were a reflection of ken, shiv, and rome if the children had just cooperated about whos in charge. Connor was always respected by logan because he never threw him under the bus and maybe that's why he's at the gathering (who knows how many there were like these ones), the kids were never present besides Connor which we all know why..... I think logan saw Frank, Gerri, and Karl more as his children fit for business than his other 3 brats.

[@roychen5235]

I don't think Logan respected Connor at all. But he certainly trusted him because he was content with just being a rich playboy, and didn't embarrass him until the presidential race. And he doesn't really respect the old guard that much either, as we see in the show. I think this is just Logan loosening up around people he trusts.

[@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ]

Sad. They all realised Logan was capable of humanity. But he forsook it in favour of nothing.

[@roychen5235]

To be fair, it is Logan's fault he filled Kendall, Shiv and Roman with dreams of taking over, and seemed like he was grooming him to be until sometime just before the start of the series. The siblings can't change how they were raised just because Logan changed his mind later about how they should be.

[@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ]

@@roychen5235 True.

[@alooncnej4696]

Only great scenes this season

[@andrewreece7312]

Such a beautiful scene