Sufficient Evidence for the Supernatural | Billy - Austin, TX | Atheist Experience 20.45

The Atheist Experience episode 20.45 for November 13, 2016 with Matt Dillahunty and John Iacoletti.
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[@wickedchef]

Lesson to Billy: Don't argue for intelligent design, when you have no intelligence yourself.

[@AntitheistHuman]

Pretty fair, but also to make the very argument of design you have to be a bit deadheaded, they don't undestand that argument comes with an infinte loop of a god creating another god until infinity because in their argument if the universe is complex it needs something even more complex to create it (here comes the imaginary god) but again, the very thing that is complex needs a former creator which had to be even more complex, so god has a creator god and the creator god of the creator has a creator and so for, intelligent design is debunked and dead long ago

[@chefdsal1]

This caller is a perfect example of a person who waits to talk instead of listens during a convo. Its a Passive form of ignorance.

[@DrPommels]

he is much worse than passively ignorant.....

[@TrippyKenpachi]

@@kentonbaird1723 Exactly that.

[@jasonspades5628]

I used to do that. It was a bad habit. But it was more because I always thought I was right, and they would agree when they heard me. My ability to debate at that time was of poor quality

[@mralan5743]

He wasn't even waiting his turn.

[@coffeetalk924]

Absolutely!

[@TheBeatle49]

My sixth grade teacher said, "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing." This caller has made that abundantly clear.

[@WKDPOWER]

"God and farting pixies are the same thing" - my favourite theist comment of all time!!!

[@lucasfrazier8882]

Mine too. Neither one exists.

[@mgenetos]

He also said: “there’s no evidence for god.”

[@johnb2649]

I remember that God instilling the breath of intelligent was named, “Divine Afflatus”

[@tannermcateer1463]

I liked " I don't rule things out; I rule things in."

[@jamesfetherston1190]

@@lucasfrazier8882 I dunno. I suspect some of the members of The Pixies farted every once in a while.

[@dasuberkaiser6]

"BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY'RE FARTING!?" -Billy, 2016

[@donaldmartinez7428]

That shit had me rollin..

[@47and28]

because the universe smells of cheese.

[@Jett-King]

I know dude, how dumb do you have to be to honestly ask that question.

[@vsperatos]

🤣🤣🤣

[@doctorwhy6504]

or because it stinks to high havens

[@TheWidowmaker430]

Talking about farts with a straight face is true professionalism.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@xeyex The good holy spirit is a warm dry fart.

[@zilmore5712]

@@xeyex farting isn't funny when your over the age of 10

[@daltsu3498]

I'm no biologist but when I fart...

[@zilmore5712]

@@xeyex calm down it's a joke

[@starlaminde3113]

@@xeyex thanks for the chuckle 🤭

[@lalmuanpuiamizo]

He finally admits that his god is the same as farting pixies. Good one

[@RonLarhz]

Anything will do to stay in the cult.

[@geralddecaire6664]

Apparently, no one here even understood the point about farting pixies. I'll give you a clue: A rose by any other name smells just as sweet

[@wetyewruyrtsutrdhjfg]

@@geralddecaire6664 And a turd by any other name smells just like shit. However, it doesn't make sense to write a book about farting pixies and attribute stuff to said pixies in other to get others to obey you.

[@jollytemplar3670]

Gerald DeCaire That was less of a point and more of a way to dodge the question tbh

[@ralfhaggstrom9862]

And give you MONEY ! ..................@@wetyewruyrtsutrdhjfg

[@sumo1203]

I’m always shocked by Billy’s aggressive ignorance, no matter how many times I listen.

[@nagranoth_]

Yep... still shocking

[@jimmorgan21]

"I don't rule thing out, I only rule things in!" 🤔 Sounds like a genius.

[@jasonspades5628]

That's actually what you're supposed to do..lol..

[@michaelfox2433]

@@jasonspades5628 That's how theism works but not reality.

[@jasonspades5628]

@@michaelfox2433 No its not how reality or theism works. It's how science works. You don't prove or demonstrate claims to be false. You demonstrate them to be true, or you don't. You can't prove a negative without demonstrating the truth of its logical negation.

[@michaelfox2433]

@@jasonspades5628 You might want to retake that 5th grade science test again but make sure you study cuz right now you would fail.

[@minutemansam1214]

@@jasonspades5628 This is incorrect. Science doesn't demonstrate something to be true. It actually tries to prove things false. The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is not 'truth'. It's a tentative explanation for the observed phenomenon we call evolution. When we test the theory, we're testing it to prove it false, not true. If we can't prove it wrong, the theory of remains as the best explanation. But if we prove it wrong, we make a new theory to explain it. Like Newtonian Gravity. Newtonian Gravity has been shown to be false, and was replaced by General Relativity.

[@bjornfelle]

“But how do you know they’re farting?” - asking the important theological questions

[@redonk1740]

It always amazes me when people can see a flaw in an argument, and then use that same flawed logic to support their own. Mental gymnastics - must take years of training.

[@ralfhaggstrom9862]

Thorough BRAINWASH ! ..............

[@ralfhaggstrom9862]

@Bob Rabbins And they are good at LYING ! ................

[@dadaseyi]

Actually, it takes years of a lack of training....in critical thinking.

[@JohnVC]

Billy is a living version of argument from incredulity.

[@LenHazell]

"How do you know they are farting?" LMFAO 😂😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😝😵😵😵🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉😂😂😂😎😄

[@lawrenceatkinson5884]

I love the fact the Catholic church considers superstition to be a sin.

[@AntitheistHuman]

Superstition is the origin of god making and magical thinking which is religion, how are they still alive now it's a mystery

[@Famin999]

“God and farting pixies are the same thing” -The Prophet Billy

[@KRooster]

wow, billy needs to improve his listening skills. That felt like talking about acorns with a squirrel on cocaine.

[@SnakeladyGreta]

Kevin Duncan Right? Chatter chatter chatter (STFU!!!!)

[@ralfhaggstrom9862]

That squirrel is HIGH on " GOD " ................

[@robertcartier5088]

Like the squirrel on RedBull in "Over the Hedge"! ;-)

[@robertbrotherton2541]

I love how people call in, try to redefine a term, and then base their argument on the new definition. It never works but they keep trying. As we say in the south, bless their hearts.

[@truerealrationalist]

@Leroy Boone It is an amazing feat, isn't it?

[@88mphDrBrown]

That's Jordan Peterson's m.o. , it's always "well it depends by what you mean by x" then redefine x to the point it's lost all intent or known meaning. I saw him answer the question "do people need God to be happy?" by redefining "God" as "whatever someone cares about the most". He literally said to a lot of people their children are their primary motivation so their children are "God" to them and "people need God to be happy". All of the comments were fawning over his genius of his answer even though his fans would never accept that sort of blatantly dishonest rhetorical device from one of his interlocutors.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@88mphDrBrown That tactic is also called dishonesty.

[@John_Demarco]

"God and farting pixies are the same thing." - Billy, Austin TX Just when I thought I understood the bible...

[@isaacpriestley]

"How do you know they're farting" so classic

[@brianjoe1425]

This is the “dude” guy. Has called many times. Drives me crazy.

[@markhepworth4804]

One of the better finishing monologues from Matt there,bravo.

[@Multi1628]

~ Three years later, and the theists keep on coming. 2019 and TAE remains interesting, important, and viable. Cheers, DAVEDJ ~

[@ED-le1pr]

Congratulations Billy you’ve become that one caller that I like to listen to when I want a good laugh

[@thekububeach]

Yup, I just finished the binge-watching

[@THEJayRrr]

Oh god.... I had just crossed the Rubicon to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but it was the Universe Farting Pixies all along!!! If only I had all that money I sent Robert Tilton... *weeps*

[@brucebaker810]

Ask for a refund. It's worth a shot. After all, you can return all the PastaPoints or whatever.

[@ralfhaggstrom9862]

The money is already spent on hookers .................

[@Dragonblaster1]

@Jay Rrrr My son, the Flying Spaghetti Monster appears to the faithful in many guises, that may well include universe-farting pixies. In the name of the Farfalle, the Conchiglie and the Holy Spiralini, Pasta without end. Ramen.

[@stephenland9361]

Here we go. Did I hear the caller say, "We don't have to define God or describe God. We can't. We have no evidence of (?) that." But he's happy to accept the existence of a supernatural designer.

[@VanHalenIsolated]

One of the frustrating things, besides Billy’s ignorance, is when he kept trying to butt in when the hosts are talking on THEIR show. I see this all the time with religious folk who call the The Atheist Experience. I keep yelling out loud, “Shut the f@&k up and listen!” I know you’re trying to hold on to your delusions Billy, but shut up and learn something. Lastly, ANYONE who calls into the Atheist Experience: it is their show and therefore, be respectful of the fact that you’re calling in to find out answers from the hosts…not to question them to death, not to preach (I really hate that one), and not to butt in every time they are in the middle of talking on their show. It just shows that you’re not listening and just waiting for your turn to talk/preach.

[@Gremriel]

KZbin is on a roll recommending Billy videos today.

[@deanc2000]

Is there anyone else as good as Matt in these shows? He such a superstar with dealing with these people, I only watch if he's on.

[@DaviesMartinezBeats]

Billy gave it a go, but bored the arse off of me, and probably both presenters as well. I've watched over 100+ of the Atheist Experience and no caller has even come CLOSE to proving their is a God. Not one..... God is exceptionally good at hiding if there is a God, or there is more than one of them.....

[@themask706]

God dont do promos any more, only private functions

[@versesquared4945]

3

[@Julian0101]

I remember when he (god) called and promised matt and someone else (i dont remember who was) hair in exchange of their belief, this is the time that the promise goes unfullfilled.

[@HeWentThattaway]

True. You would think this possessive, vain, demanding, righteous, fear-inspiring god would have gotten pissed off with this show and smitten down one of the hosts by now.

[@Skindoggiedog]

*there Also, don't use "off of."

[@kenchristiansen2080]

If there is no evidence for something (or alternative something) the answer is I don't know. Not claiming claiming an intelligence (which we have no evidence for) did it.

[@RonLarhz]

Only normal ppl do that. These sheeples r too far gone to be intellectually honest.

[@mowflexthesubnegro1846]

Hence why I love being an Agnostic.

[@hippocrates1297]

Hey billy, so you know, the the fallcy starts when you say "Because we have ruled out X it must be Y" Until you can demonstrate that we are stuck with just those two options and therefore that one being wrong implies that the other one has to be right you cant make that argument without encountering a fallacy.

[@GroundhogRoy]

Billy called in again yesterday and got ripped to shreds over his views on simulations 😂🍿

[@demonshaz]

"How do you know they're farting?!" 🤣😂🤪😂🤣🥴😭

[@davids11131113]

‘It’s hard for me to grasp how things work, and it scares me that I don’t have the explanation for things, so I’m just going to settle on ‘God’ which explains nothing in reality but now I feel comforted and not scared anymore’

[@SusiPineapple]

"But you don't know that they're farting though" - I'm dying here lolol

[@richardhedd3080]

I smile every time I hear a theist use quantum mechanics to justify their position.

[@notreallydavid]

ditto 'healers'

[@christianosminroden7878]

The first grave misconception was the idea that supersymmetry had been disproven. It hasn‘t. It has just not been proven by experiments that according to certain strains of string theory should have been observable but weren’t. That surely was a setback for those particular strains of string theory, but even for those, it was a mere „call for refinement“, not a death sentence. And even string theory as a whole class of models isn‘t the only hypothesis that’s being discussed, and there‘s no way of telling whether the correct answer might be yet another naturalistic model we just haven‘t even come up with. In short, those experiments found that certain strains of a certain class of models were not viable in their current form. That’s hardly what I would call a „disproof of any natural cause“.

[@LiniousRHoliday]

Got to luv the universe farting pixies.😅

[@ghettofreeze]

I love 'em too. Years from now Matt's UFP's will rank among his most important contributions to the theist-atheist debate. The fact that they are just as possible as any other supernatural hypothesis reveals the silliness of believing in the universe-farting god of Christianity and Islam.

[@abc456f]

One of my favorite bands!

[@briangak8815]

“Arthur conan doyle fallacy” funny I always interpreted that as a warning not to dismiss possibilities just because they were improbable and actually conclusively rule it out rather than a viable way to reach the correct answer.

[@martynjones8560]

Damn those opposable thumbs and our ability to clutch at straws like this caller is doing. And what a sermon by Matt at the end!

[@pdute1]

The Farts are Strong in Billy from Austin

[@SnakeladyGreta]

Kishiruキシル May the Farts be with you!

[@jonerickson2358]

Had a LONG debate about the resurrection with a fundy. He had the book "Evidence that Demands a Verdict". I listened to his explanations of not drugged Jesus, Roman guards, no stolen body, etc. When he finished I said, "You missed one possibility of why the body was gone!" "What was that?" he asked. "Fast Maggots!!" Guy never talked to me again.

[@ma2i485]

lol

[@cyansloth1763]

"God and Farting Pixies are the same thing" - Billy

[@elainejohnson6955]

"Universe farting pixies" had me laughing so hard I was crying! Thanks!!!

[@iUseVegas]

"Where is your evidence that they're farting?"

[@kreiskhaos8516]

@@jishnuprasad8790 wait, I fart during meditation. Am I doing it correctly?

[@brucebaker810]

@iUseVegas They're not farting any MORE. OBviously. They farted the universe into existence. It's now on autopilot. Or...maybe they're still farting. Maybe they're not. We dunno. And they're mysteeeerious. Or...they might be. @Jishnu Prasad Cosmic Background Miasma?

[@CharlesB-NGNM]

"God and farting pixies are the same thing." -Billy This is an object lesson in why we, as a species, are doomed. There are many, many more Billys than there are Matts.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

There's a movie out now about them.

[@knine1652]

Billy's a dangerous combination: strung out on drugs, and sooooo sure of himself and his knowledge. He reminds me of that character on In Living Color that strings together big words into meaningless sentences. Matt bitch-slapped him good.

[@nelsrinden510]

Billy is also dangerous because he seemingly has a lot of knowledge but almost no understanding of that knowledge. Knowledge without understanding is about as useless as a fart in a spacesuit.

[@Authenticallyathena]

Lol... nice

[@bigskye606]

Never thought I would hear a theist equate his God with farting pixies ;)

[@fatmaramadan6928]

Breaking -wind- news: god reveals himself as a universe farting pixie through the prophet "billy".

[@humanormachine2936]

How can you listen to your entire argument being destroyed so thoroughly to the point where you assist in its destruction, and still not accept that you're wrong, but continue to bicker about it?

[@TheTruthKiwi]

Matt's talk from 8:16 is brilliant

[@jaymorgan7728]

Billy always sounds like hes about to burst into tears.

[@robertcartier5088]

Damn! Dillahunty sneaks up from the past, and ups the ante on his ability to blow my mind! ;-) Well done!

[@ImStayGold42]

What's a shame is that Bill didn't learn anything after this call was made. He's still an advocate for "Intelligent" Design.

[@markheron2608]

There have been times where I've been watching these videos and I'm screaming in my head helplessly, because I know why the caller isn't understanding and what the hosts should be saying to make them grasp the concepts and points being expressed to them. Sometimes it's just noticing an issue like the caller missing a fundamental fact that the hosts haven't driven home, and that the call is pointless until the caller realizes and accepts that fact. For example, Billy's reasoning leads me to believe doesn't grasp that to claim something has been demonstrated to an empirical standard, like the universe required an INTELLIGENT creator, that it's not good enough to appeal to philosophical possibility (something is possible because it hasn't been shown to be impossible), you have to actually show that it's empirically possible. If Matt drove that point home and wouldn't permit Billy to move on until he showed he understood that concept and accepts it as necessary, then either Billy would admit his "argument" and "proof" are fallacious, or he'd stubbornly refuse to give up his biased belief and Matt could save more time by telling Billy to go fly a kite. There needs to be more emphasis on not giving these dickheads the time of day if they're not going to accept the superior and demonstrable standards of logic, reason and empirical standards over feelings and "personal experiences". If they're just gonna stick to the lazy and narcissistic notion that their demonstrably fallacious opinions and "arguments" are equal/reliable to truly credible methods, then they don't deserve attention & validation and go enjoy the echo chamber of talking to other theists and charlatan apologists until they give up their biases and agree to give up their inferior ways of reasoning. Some opinions are objectively fallacious and shouldn't be tolerated. I refuse to allow any theist to get away with the cultivated appearance of being rationally justified, because they aren't and don't deserve respect and veneration. Sure it's a form of elitism, but dammit if we let the bar be lowered by these chumps, then it becomes harder and harder to keep the well free of poison. Compromising and allowing people to comfortably hold irrational beliefs is a contributing factor to why there's anti-vaxxer medical PROFESSIONALS and strong support that Creationism should not only be taught in schools, but in SCIENCE classes. They and their ridiculous beliefs are a cancer to academia and respectable thought and it's high time we stop indulging and force them to comply with proper standards. If they refuse, they don't get to participate in any science and medical fields. Which is fine by me because they don't deserve to be there. I don't subscribe to the polite idea that everyone is entitled to believe whatever they want. If I have to share a world with you, then you are not permitted to comfortably hold irrational beliefs, and you are especially not permitted to express them out loud without being challenged to properly justifying them. I would expect nothing less from myself and actual scientists/scholars, so there's no fucking way I'm giving these lazy and ignorant turds a pass.

[@cj1871]

"You don't know that they're farting though"

[@Lance_Thorpe_Esq.]

Classic Exchange....WELL DONE!!!

[@Simon.the.Likeable]

The supernatural is the result of a word game. The words "beyond," "time" and "space" exist prior to the commencement of the game. The player assembles the words into a sentence. The player may then claim the sentence reflects reality without proof.

[@bobs182]

God is beyond time and space. Action occurs through time which means God can't do anything and has no place to do it if he could.

[@timhallas4275]

It's just another one of those, "If I don't understand it, then how can it be so" arguments.

[@AlexanderNash]

I like how the caller doesn't realize that the whole point of Matt's analogy is point out the flaw in the callers thinking and the caller keeps pointing out the flaw.

[@timp5048]

this has to be a world record for number of times you got a christian to say farting pixie

[@darkone1968]

This was an educational session. Brilliant!! 👍

[@Ozone280]

Science never rules things in, it rules things out

[@markusallen5634]

It's people like Billy who believe that 'they' have the answers, and that everyone else should just agree with them without question, and if we 'do' question them, they get hostile and defensive, of which then, they shut down any ability to communicate, because they aren't willing to consider ALL of the possibilities that don't include the supernatural. It's their way and that's it. The facts and reason be damned.

[@lnsflare1]

Yet again, the argument is,"things have physical properties that interact with one another in consistent ways, therefore GAAAAAAWD."

"You don't get to say that it has to be intelligent design if you simultaneously acknowledge that it also could be farting pixies" Okay, that's my favorite quote for the year so far.

[@davosholdos1253]

God is the hide n seek champ for 13.6 billion years.

[@bryand999]

The desperation in the callers voice.....just sad.

[@Gwaithmir]

Why is it that most theists who call in simply don't argue well?

[@zoranocokoljic8927]

When you eliminate impossible, what's left, no matter how incredible, must be POSSIBLE, but it doesn't have to be true.

[@user-ln9vh4ej5q]

Oh my god, this talk is what let to Billy's syllogysm in "Talk Heathens"! 😂

[@dukeemzworth3005]

William Mills aka Billy from Texas makes a fool of himself every single time.

[@geraldammons5520]

This person never listens. Every time I have heard him, he is talking continuously while the hosts are talking.

[@pussygalore5947]

The Giant Tortoise Holding Up The Universe Theory is looking better and better

[@jimperry4108]

One of my favorites from you guys. Problem though: how do I present the Sherlock Holmes comments to my Christian Sherlock Holmes loving mom? been agonizing over that since I first watched this one a week or so ago. lol

[@pdav1285]

Billy almost always gets hung up on because he starts with some idiotic premise and refuses to change his argument even slightly throughout the call.

[@BuildingPersephone]

Why am I seeing an ad for the Israel institute of biblical studies on this video?!?!

[@nicosteffen364]

Like i see gasoline car commercials before watching an electric car channel!

[@p.bamygdala2139]

It's possible that religious organizations place their ads on atheist shows in hopes of attracting the undecided.

[@gepisar]

yeah, i get those on AronRa vidz... i jus let them play out and help the content producer get a little bit 'o that (not so sweet anymore) ad revenue.

[@BuildingPersephone]

The thing is I've disabled ad profiling on KZbin, so I only get the default ads for everything. Only related to the content. Seems like the default has an agenda.

[@johnlopperman2161]

"Popping IN and OUT of existence seems supernatural" Like light popping in & out of existence, by means of a light switch?

[@jaymeanderson5121]

I blew out the candle. That makes me supernatural! OMG, I'm a witch!

[@JohnVC]

Technically popcorn pops into existence. When it's a kernal, it's not popcorn. But add heat, then pop! It's now popcorn that didn't exist before.

[@alexanderweddle3948]

I hear this all the time. Instead of making arguments based on accepted common definitions, we'll just redefine terms to fit our arguments. Also, instead of presenting evidence, presenting something, ANYTHING, and calling it evidence.

[@truerealrationalist]

If I say, "a meteorite will crash into the room you're in 30 seconds from now," is that a falsifiable claim? Why or why not?

[@lnsflare1]

In all fairness, Sherlock Holmes flat out says that his record is far from perfect, and that he's annoyed that Watson only ever writes about his most sensational cases (the narrative framework of the entire series), which he's usually able to figure out (and even then he's still occasionally unable to catch the culprit).

[@ronniecortex4936]

8:30 "..it can't be said to be impossible... (a pix farts).

[@neologian1783]

Billy is a classic example of someone who has seized upon any number of arguments based on bad or fallacious reasoning and is utterly baffled when those flaws are pointed out rather than passively letting him proceed. He gives the distinct impression of someone who has never heard the arguments against his supposedly clever arguments and thus has few tools other than becoming agitated when he encounters them. My favorite part is when he points out error in Matt's argument and thus why his reasoning is invalid.....all while failing to understand that Matt's argument was HIS OWN argument turned back on him. This is what happens when you are so convinced of your own cleverness that you lose the ability to listen.

[@ramospk]

I think the Supernatural by definition does not exist for one reason: if you demonstrate a supernatural event , like, say, telepathy or telekinesis, and your demonstration is real and true, you just moved those phenomena into the natural world, so they are no longer supernatural, even if we can't explain them yet.

[@jwsanders1214]

Agreed , The Beginning of the universe can never be demonstrated or understood by Human minds.

[@truerealrationalist]

Bingo! I refer to this is retroactive naturalization. Without an all-encompassing defintion of what is "natural," it isn't possible to provide an example of anything supernatural. Because science evolves by design, upon being researched, literally any hypothetical event or phenomenon will be deemed under the conditions that allows or causes it. The result is a built-in moving goalpost.

[@bobs182]

@@jwsanders1214 And it can never be demonstrated that it had an absolute beginning.

[@GarethLazelle]

Bloody Sherlock Holmes... "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?" That one quote pretty much explains the single biggest fallacy creationists use...

[@JayMaverick]

"It's flawless." -Billy, 2016.

[@SimonFD]

Why is he still calling? Hasn't he been humiliated enough in his previous calls ?

[@jimwade2045]

It all comes down to the deep brown beans

[@nitrofan917]

Just when it starts to get funny Matt hangs up on them.

[@joshporter5205]

The cluck and gobble is strong with this one.

[@saywhat1078]

There are multiple AXP videos with Billy if you can handle them.

[@Asa...S]

I want Billy go to his church with his quote "God and farting pixies are the same thing!" on his shirt.

[@burningmisery]

Billy is a glutton for punishment. He's been debunked by every host almost twice, yet he keeps coming back for more... despite never learning anything. Bless his simple mind.

[@pauldhoff]

Trying to talk fast is often a sign of being wrong.

[@Alwaysdoubt100]

"I don't know what a fallacy is". That's why I am a believer.

[@shelliecarlson7015]

R'Amen brother!

[@fr33525]

Wow, this conversation has deteriorated into loud gaseous noises.

[@nucflashevent]

And I do not understand why people are so damn bothered by the idea that we don't know everything? What the hell kind of world would this be if there was **nothing** for us to discover? I'm absolutely fascinated by the study of black holes, sky surveys in general (speaking to SETI and the more prosaic scans where you are just looking for things not visible in the normal visible light spectrum, etc.) I'm fascinated by the study of Nuclear Physics, both for energy production and just in understanding how the fundamental laws of the microscopic work, etc. The reason these things fascinate me is BECAUSE we don't know every fucking thing there is to know about them!

[@jacksimpson-rogers1069]

I prefer the idea of a Superintelligent Velociraptor farting out Galaxies.

[@NoProofOfHell]

I’ve heard Craig Lane make this argument. Basically an atheist describes an absurd possible scenario and Craig just says , “ well thats God you’re describing, you’re just labeling it something else”

[@jmaniak1]

Some farts are intentional.

[@davids11131113]

I can verify that yes.

[@elainejohnson6391]

The title of this should be "Universe Farting Pixies are God" I couldn't stop laughing!!!! Thanx, Matt!!!