Sugar Capitalism in Colonial Indonesia

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[@moldytexas]

I sometimes forget that this channel is not only about semiconductors.

[@samsmith9764]

same, i'm like this isnt a lithography video??

[@ThomasThomas-be4sn]

It's Abt Asia.. economy..

[@westrim]

I sometimes forget that this channel has an emphasis on semiconductors.

[@Alexzoidberg458]

It's just so happen that the modern Asian economies is linked with semiconductor

[@Deeplycloseted435]

Same story, different spoil.

[@dikaarianto1988]

This history of sugar empire of java is rarely mentioned in Indonesian School. Fun fact some of the sugar factories are still operating to this day, just a mile from my home and it is completely true that the area near Dutch sugar factory tend to be more advance than the rest of the island. During dry season (when the sugar harvested), the road is completely jammed by massive trucks transferring sugar cane to the factories and there is always at least one accident of these truck every year (which made the traffic worse).

[@honor9lite1337]

Daerah mana kak? 🙄

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

​​@@honor9lite1337di malang masih banyak. pabriknya di krebet (disini yg suka macet). dulu ngangkutmya pake "lorry", sekarang pake truk semua.

[@dikaarianto1988]

@@honor9lite1337 Malang Kepanjen

[@jfv65]

The Dutch didn't just 'leave', they were driven out. Google 'Bersiap' and 'politionele acties'. The Dutch were pressured by the United Nations to stop this kolonial war of oppression and were basically forced to sign the Indonesian declaration of independance. Not very long ago the Dutch King formally expressed regret and offered appologies for the colonial time when the Dutch ruled over Indonesia.

[@FrozenDrone12]

​@@jfv65they deserve that Bersiap tho

[@maverickkhofanda3539]

In today's Indonesian schools, the "abusive local elites" part do not appear in our history books, and the word "sugar" only appear

[@ulogy]

In fairness, can't have folks figure out why the wealthy are wealthy. Also the US gave them a lot of free distraction.

[@zend666]

INDONESIA MENTIONED

[@arveanturtelcontar6138]

Thats because the current ministry of education its only concern about workforce, not about proper education

[@ankokunokayoubi]

Putting all blames to foreign colonizers, but forgot there are elites who sell their own soul and their own people for personal profit, and this still happens until now.

[@yohannessulistyo4025]

If you scour the internet historical literature of Indonesia, you will see a lot of "sugar lords" of Java, especially from Central Java. What happens after independence is why they disappear from our textbooks: the government confiscate them all and deny them old riches of Dutch East Indies citizenships. One of the surviving family of these ancient Indonesian sugar lords is Adrian Zecha, the founder of hyper exclusive Aman Resort group (of Aman Jiwo and other Aman resorts all around the world - but for obvious reasons a lot of them are located in Indonesia.)

[@davidferris4563]

I love this channel. I'm 65 and enjoy learning about all of the different things that i knew little or nothing about... Thank you Jon for broadening my horizons.

[@RIZFERD]

Aside drawing Indonesia too small on purpose since Mercator projection 1569 (world map is inaccurate since then, in reality Indonesia is Huge as Russia even much richer than the rest of the world) till today the Dutch are still teaching false history about Indonesia at formal school. Including about Coffee they claimed they brought into Indonesia which is also native to Indonesia since the beginning aside native to Africa. Really Europeans, Middle Eastern, North Africans, Indians and the surroundings are too filthy scamming the world for too long. How filthy they still are even after hundreds of years building Europe, USA, etc with Indonesia's unlimited wealth, even VOC was much richer than any today existing richest companies combined (much richer than Apple, Google/Alphabet, Microsoft, etc combined), research by yourself, still today Europe, USA, etc are so poor, so backward. I notice that everywhere even till today since I return home in Indonesia the last 13 years after 7-8 years The Netherlands and surrounding countries and many other years many other places and countries. Of course I am fluent in Dutch too, aside Formal Arabic, and many other languages since birth as a complete multiracial multilingual living around the world all alone since childhood royal descendant of original old Indonesia. Their Endless Karma is Paying Off. #aquarius #plutoinaquarius

[@Paulkjoss]

Ditto 😊

[@aaronjudesaldanha5688]

So glad to hear that. So many of us get insular with age!

[@AlphaWhiskey_Haryo]

from my father's side, I am one of the descendants of Sentot Alibasyah Prawiradirdja, Diponegoro's last commander to surrender to the Dutch. he was forced to surrender bcs the Dutch was threatening his family. so he gave in, as long as the Dutch staying clear from his family, then the Dutch gave his family some land called "tanah perdikan", means "free land". even until now, my family still managing these land, which now already turned to paddy field by my grandfather.

[@Jim_Colbert]

Lol..sentot was traitor that led diponegoro to gave up...😅😅😅

[@AlphaWhiskey_Haryo]

@@Jim_Colbert whatever man, that's already a history

[@Jim_Colbert]

@@AlphaWhiskey_Haryo well..yes..you're descendant of traitor...

[@pustakarileks7404]

​@@AlphaWhiskey_Haryosudah jangan dibawa hati, mereka orang barat itu ga mengerti dinamikanya kehidupan

[@AlphaWhiskey_Haryo]

@@pustakarileks7404 yupp, none taken 🤙

[@Dfathurr]

Other impact regarding sugar plantation affect Javanese cuisine. Since most of sugar planted on central Java, most of their cuisine tend to be sweeter there because they use Kecap Manis (sweet soy sauce) with sugar from such factories. Compared to their eastern and westerm counterpart which tended to be spicy

[@adiabd1]

And speaking of sweet soy, I wonder, is it possible that its rise was because back then it used molasses that was the unprofitable part of sugar processing

[@RIZFERD]

Aside drawing Indonesia too small on purpose since Mercator projection 1569 (world map is inaccurate since then, in reality Indonesia is Huge as Russia even much richer than the rest of the world) till today the Dutch are still teaching false history about Indonesia at formal school. Including about Coffee they claimed they brought into Indonesia which is also native to Indonesia since the beginning aside native to Africa. Really Europeans, Middle Eastern, North Africans, Indians and the surroundings are too filthy scamming the world for too long. How filthy they still are even after hundreds of years building Europe, USA, etc with Indonesia's unlimited wealth, even VOC was much richer than any today existing richest companies combined (much richer than Apple, Google/Alphabet, Microsoft, etc combined), research by yourself, still today Europe, USA, etc are so poor, so backward. I notice that everywhere even till today since I return home in Indonesia the last 13 years after 7-8 years The Netherlands and surrounding countries and many other years many other places and countries. Of course I am fluent in Dutch too, aside Formal Arabic, and many other languages since birth as a complete multiracial multilingual living around the world all alone since childhood royal descendant of original old Indonesia. Their Endless Karma is Paying Off. #aquarius #plutoinaquarius

[@wenderis]

most traditional Kecap Manis brand uses palm sugar instead. Probably the big industrial brands use some sprinkle of cane sugar but not significant compare to palm sugar %.

[@randomreal3228]

Memang di Jateng (ane daerah Magelang) gulai sapi/kambing aja manis... dari dulu selalu kepikiran masa jenis kaya gulai aja mesti manis.. 🤣

[@agailham8476]

Javanese cuisine already using coconut sugar (gula kelapa) for the sweetener before the introduction of sugarcane (tebu). Ada juga yang pakai gula aren atau gula siwalan (lontar), tapi yang dominan tetap gula kelapa. Aren dan lontar dipakai buat bikin tuak (legen kalo yang non alkohol).

[@lolololowbx280]

Multatuli real name is Eduard Douwes Dekker

[@pakkarim]

I read about him in SMA at Jln Diponegoro, Jakarta

[@RIZFERD]

Aside drawing Indonesia too small on purpose since Mercator projection 1569 (world map is inaccurate since then, in reality Indonesia is Huge as Russia even much richer than the rest of the world) till today the Dutch are still teaching false history about Indonesia at formal school. Including about Coffee they claimed they brought into Indonesia which is also native to Indonesia since the beginning aside native to Africa. Really Europeans, Middle Eastern, North Africans, Indians and the surroundings are too filthy scamming the world for too long. How filthy they still are even after hundreds of years building Europe, USA, etc with Indonesia's unlimited wealth, even VOC was much richer than any today existing richest companies combined (much richer than Apple, Google/Alphabet, Microsoft, etc combined), research by yourself, still today Europe, USA, etc are so poor, so backward. I notice that everywhere even till today since I return home in Indonesia the last 13 years after 7-8 years The Netherlands and surrounding countries and many other years many other places and countries. Of course I am fluent in Dutch too, aside Formal Arabic, and many other languages since birth as a complete multiracial multilingual living around the world all alone since childhood royal descendant of original old Indonesia. Their Endless Karma is Paying Off. #aquarius #plutoinaquarius

[@MM-vs2et]

Many, if not most writers have pen names. Usually tailored to be more local and relateable. Eduard was his real name, but history, and his contemporary readers know him as Multatuli.

[@matjojo1000]

Cool video! Being dutch I've read Max Havelaar, (as has every high school student here) but I've never really learned about the scope of the system. I didn't choose to do history in HS, but still it seems like a very important part of our history. Great video.

[@gillsejusbates6938]

lekker boeiend

[@RIZFERD]

Aside drawing Indonesia too small on purpose since Mercator projection 1569 (world map is inaccurate since then, in reality Indonesia is Huge as Russia even much richer than the rest of the world) till today the Dutch are still teaching false history about Indonesia at formal school. Including about Coffee they claimed they brought into Indonesia which is also native to Indonesia since the beginning aside native to Africa. Really Europeans, Middle Eastern, North Africans, Indians and the surroundings are too filthy scamming the world for too long. How filthy they still are even after hundreds of years building Europe, USA, etc with Indonesia's unlimited wealth, even VOC was much richer than any today existing richest companies combined (much richer than Apple, Google/Alphabet, Microsoft, etc combined), research by yourself, still today Europe, USA, etc are so poor, so backward. I notice that everywhere even till today since I return home in Indonesia the last 13 years after 7-8 years The Netherlands and surrounding countries and many other years many other places and countries. Of course I am fluent in Dutch too, aside Formal Arabic, and many other languages since birth as a complete multiracial multilingual living around the world all alone since childhood royal descendant of original old Indonesia. Their Endless Karma is Paying Off. #aquarius #plutoinaquarius

[@newbabies923]

Why you dutch doesn't acknowledge of what you guys did in the oost? Why you all hiding it

[@robox91]

Ik ken niemand die Max Havelaar heeft gelezen

[@YataTheFifteenth]

​@@newbabies923 National shame, probably. Like most colonial overlords. No one wants to know the atrocities their ancestors did, only the cool stuff.

[@dennis8196]

Worth looking for a book Called White Debt, by Thomas Harding. It's about the British colonial slaves after the UK made it illegal to use or own slaves in the British Isles, neglecting to include the colonies. This book covers the slaves that never get spoken about in the Caribbean islands farming Demerara sugar.

[@MrCalls1]

You may have misremembered some of the book, because slavery hasn't been legal on British soil/the home islands since the 1100s. To such an extent that an American slave sued for his freedom and the court determined he had become free as soon he breathed British air.

[@dennis8196]

@@MrCalls1 from the book summary : When Thomas Harding discovered that his mother's family had made money from the slave plantations worked by people of African descent, what began as an interrogation into the choices of his ancestors soon became a quest to learn more about Britain's role in slavery. It was a history that he knew surprisingly little about - the myth that we are often taught in schools is that Britain's role in slavery was as the abolisher, but the reality is much more sinister. In White Debt, Harding vividly brings to life the story of the uprising by enslaved people that took place in the British colony of Demerara (now Guyana) in the Caribbean in 1823. It started on a small sugar plantation called 'Success' and grew to become a key trigger in the abolition of slavery across the empire. We see the uprising through the eyes of four people: the enslaved man Jack Gladstone, the missionary John Smith, the colonist John Cheveley and the politician and slaveholder John Gladstone, father of a future prime minister. Charting the lead-up to the uprising right through to the courtroom drama that came about as a consequence, through this one event we see the true impact of years of unimaginable cruelty and incredible courage writ large Captivating, moving and meditative, White Debt combines a searing personal quest with a deep investigation of a shared history that is little discussed amongst white people. It offers a powerful rebuttal of the national amnesia that masks the role of the British in this devastating period and asks vital questions about the legacy we have been left with - cultural, political and moral - and whether future generations of those who benefitted from slavery need to acknowledge and take responsibility for the white debt.

[@M1DLGRadioStuff]

​@@MrCalls1I keep trying to reply and KZbin deleted the message every time. My facts are 💯 correct. Just do a search for the book and you will see it's correct. The British isles enacted a ban, but not in the colonies. This was after America was formed.

[@thelakeman2538]

​@@MrCalls1The comment is about the colonies not the British isles themselves. Slavery was only abolished in British colonies in 1833, even then it was a gradual process going well into the 1840s to actually free all the slaves, British India only abolished it in 1843 and even there practically slavery like conditions through bondage and indentured servitude continued into the 20th century.

[@RIZFERD]

Aside drawing Indonesia too small on purpose since Mercator projection 1569 (world map is inaccurate since then, in reality Indonesia is Huge as Russia even much richer than the rest of the world) till today the Dutch are still teaching false history about Indonesia at formal school. Including about Coffee they claimed they brought into Indonesia which is also native to Indonesia since the beginning aside native to Africa. Really Europeans, Middle Eastern, North Africans, Indians and the surroundings are too filthy scamming the world for too long. How filthy they still are even after hundreds of years building Europe, USA, etc with Indonesia's unlimited wealth, even VOC was much richer than any today existing richest companies combined (much richer than Apple, Google/Alphabet, Microsoft, etc combined), research by yourself, still today Europe, USA, etc are so poor, so backward. I notice that everywhere even till today since I return home in Indonesia the last 13 years after 7-8 years The Netherlands and surrounding countries and many other years many other places and countries. Of course I am fluent in Dutch too, aside Formal Arabic, and many other languages since birth as a complete multiracial multilingual living around the world all alone since childhood royal descendant of original old Indonesia. Their Endless Karma is Paying Off. #aquarius #plutoinaquarius

[@XanderDDS]

i love the tech videos, but the two most emjoyable videos overall are this one and the japanese pearl industry. cheers!

[@ThePhiphler]

It's interesting how all the European colonial projects faced stiff critcism during their time from their own peoples, and only a really small group of Europeans ultimately benefited from the systems.

[@frazzleface753]

This is true, but it doesn't advance certain modern day narratives if you limit guilt and shame to a very small group of people who died centuries ago.

[@youcantata]

Sad but fascinating story of colonial Indonesia. Well-studied and more informative than many history KZbinrs which repeats well-known political or war history of Western, Arab or Chinese. I admire your passion for the down-to-earth history of less-known countries and industries.

[@RIZFERD]

Aside drawing Indonesia too small on purpose since Mercator projection 1569 (world map is inaccurate since then, in reality Indonesia is Huge as Russia even much richer than the rest of the world) till today the Dutch are still teaching false history about Indonesia at formal school. Including about Coffee they claimed they brought into Indonesia which is also native to Indonesia since the beginning aside native to Africa. Really Europeans, Middle Eastern, North Africans, Indians and the surroundings are too filthy scamming the world for too long. How filthy they still are even after hundreds of years building Europe, USA, etc with Indonesia's unlimited wealth, even VOC was much richer than any today existing richest companies combined (much richer than Apple, Google/Alphabet, Microsoft, etc combined), research by yourself, still today Europe, USA, etc are so poor, so backward. I notice that everywhere even till today since I return home in Indonesia the last 13 years after 7-8 years The Netherlands and surrounding countries and many other years many other places and countries. Of course I am fluent in Dutch too, aside Formal Arabic, and many other languages since birth as a complete multiracial multilingual living around the world all alone since childhood royal descendant of original old Indonesia. Their Endless Karma is Paying Off. #aquarius #plutoinaquarius

[@oil_rich]

Fun fact : Mainly railway build in Java during Dutch collonization is to transporting export commodity.

[@BlaBla-pf8mf]

What the dutch used in Java was corvée (forced labor) that at the time was also used in France, the Austrian Empire, the Balkan states and many other places. In China corvée was practiced in rural areas until the 1990's. Usually corvée was used to build and maintain public infrastructure like roads, canals and fortifications but the dutch and the javanese elite used it and abused it to boost cash crop production.

[@hc3d]

So it is like being constripted, as is nowadays often the case in the event of a national emergency like an invasion. Except this was not war and not an emergency. Correct?

[@RIZFERD]

Aside drawing Indonesia too small on purpose since Mercator projection 1569 (world map is inaccurate since then, in reality Indonesia is Huge as Russia even much richer than the rest of the world) till today the Dutch are still teaching false history about Indonesia at formal school. Including about Coffee they claimed they brought into Indonesia which is also native to Indonesia since the beginning aside native to Africa. Really Europeans, Middle Eastern, North Africans, Indians and the surroundings are too filthy scamming the world for too long. How filthy they still are even after hundreds of years building Europe, USA, etc with Indonesia's unlimited wealth, even VOC was much richer than any today existing richest companies combined (much richer than Apple, Google/Alphabet, Microsoft, etc combined), research by yourself, still today Europe, USA, etc are so poor, so backward. I notice that everywhere even till today since I return home in Indonesia the last 13 years after 7-8 years The Netherlands and surrounding countries and many other years many other places and countries. Of course I am fluent in Dutch too, aside Formal Arabic, and many other languages since birth as a complete multiracial multilingual living around the world all alone since childhood royal descendant of original old Indonesia. Their Endless Karma is Paying Off. #aquarius #plutoinaquarius

[@margaastajaya]

The worse impact is the hate towards chinese descendants that still exist today. The Javan worked so hard on the field, while the chinese collaborated with the european. And they got rich off it. On one occasion, the dutch asked the chinese to collect land taxes from the Javan. This bolted hate towards them untill today.

[@honor9lite1337]

For whatever reason we human are in need some sort of common enemy, it could satisfy our dissatisfaction toward unfairness and inequalities in our life. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ChairmanMo]

The Chinese were used by the Dutch too. The Chinese did not deliberately go out to be colonial exploiters. Many Chinese migrated to Indonesia and became sugar processors because they had the know-how, technology and did what they did to survive. In the 1800s, China had pretty much collapsed thanks to the British and French during the Opium Wars; millions of Chinese left in order to look for new opportunities or else they die from Civil Wars, starvation and etc. Some Chinese got rich but most Chinese only ended up be moderately prosperous. People should not paint the Chinese with a broad brush. Raping Chinese women and burning down Chinatown like in 1997 or during the establishment of the New Order does not balance the scales of Justice and Karma. If you want to fight for justice, teach people the real history just like Asianometry. Hold everyone equally accountable.

[@gorgonchang7352]

This is what Suharto era propaganda like to propagate. You still stuck in the past by parroting it.

[@margaastajaya]

@@ChairmanMo come on, read between the lines. The only side I blamed was the Dutch.

[@ChairmanMo]

@@margaastajaya My thing was a general message.

[@maidenheaven5014]

As an indonesian and specifically javanese, i can saying your explanation is almost perfectly accurate. iam not fully blaming the dutch as the colonialism,but sometimes they can conquest on my homeland is because the problem with gap prosperity between local civilization and the land owner. on the past while this condition happen, there is so many conflict between regional figures on many villages. the dutch always has the intel and they can correctly know whose group is the strongest among those who are fighting. the intel isn't just the european,but sometimes is also from native javanese. we called them 'londo ireng' means the black dutch. This nickname was given to a local person who was known to be a traitor who sided with the Dutch

[@the-quintessenz]

I wonder if those plantation workers were much worse off than the average coal miner in Europe of the same time.

[@rogerc23]

It’s nothing like the Chinese have done to Indonesia in turning it into a corrupt slave nation. The Chinese have done similar to Thailand and Malaysia.

[@rogerc23]

And the Marxist leftist censors at KZbin ban my comments again. Can you believe the people that purport to be the liberal and free who want to fight for the poor slaves 200 years ago use even worse tactics then the colonists to ban and censor free Thought and speech. Then when they are slaughtered they will cry and say they were only doing good. That’s how all leftists must pass.

[@ldl1477]

We're not allowed to make such comparisons.

[@jonathanmerritt8712]

I think coal mining conditions in England were pretty bad even in the 20th century. I never got to ask my coal-mining grandfather what he thought about it, since he died from mining-related lung disease before I was old enough to think of the question, but my grandmother said it was pretty bad.

[@AC-jk8wq]

Manual labor without protection is tough on the worker’s health… Not having a job is even tougher on the non-worker’s health… Working in dangerous environments without PPE (personal protective equipment) used to be normal…. Today, working on your own house’s roof without being tied off, is considered dangerous… In the modern USA, the workers have rights and protections… OSHA is a government organization that does a pretty good job of protecting the worker. Counting the number days without an incident, is a whole lot better than counting the number of people killed each year….. It was normal for people to smoke two packs of cigarettes each day, if they had the money for it…. When asked if they knew how dangerous it is to smoke…. Heart attack in their 40s, cancer in their 60s…. A typical response would be, you have to die from something, leave me alone. Often, having a family ensured somebody would be there to feed you if you lived so long…. Making it to 30years old, people considered you at your half-life… you were over the hill! Making it to 60 meant you were living on borrowed time… Healthcare has improved tremendously… the chances of surviving a heart attack or cancer have improved tremendously… and people have really avoided smoking cigarettes… 😃

[@epicmetod]

The Dutch barely exist in 1500s First voyage is 1595 and just a ship landed in Bantam/Westmost of java, not even on Jayakarta main port This 1:42 Jayakarta circa 1605, before VOC set their trading bases (from the description in wikimedia, its repainted of original work from 1605)

[@DBGE001]

Excellent work!

[@cv990a4]

Relevant recent video from History Matters channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2qXoYd6q8-Znas Subject of video - why did the UK give back what is today Indonesia to the Netherlands at the end of the Napoleonic Wars? Netherlands were captured by Napoleon early, at which point the UK took over the Dutch colonies. At the end of the war, they gave most of the colonies back to the Dutch, with the exception of South Africa, which was viewed as strategic for UK shipping to the Far East, since the Suez Canal was not yet a thing. The Brits gave the Dutch East Indies back, essentially to ensure that the Netherlands remained a healthy buffer state. Which is kind of remarkable. Imagine a colonial (then) future in which the UK also controlled today's Indonesia, as well as India. As if the UK wasn't powerful enough already in the wake of Napoleon's defeat.

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

UK also had malaysia and burma.

[@ChairmanMo]

The UK are not stupid, if they had grabbed all of the colonies, including all of Latin America, the Europeans would have put Napoleon back on the French Throne and then all ganged up on the UK. The UK realized long ago thanks to PM Pitt, that economic power via colonization built up slowly and gradually was the road to domination. Blatantly grabbing Indonesia would have messed things up.

[@RIZFERD]

Aside drawing Indonesia too small on purpose since Mercator projection 1569 (world map is inaccurate since then, in reality Indonesia is Huge as Russia even much richer than the rest of the world) till today the Dutch are still teaching false history about Indonesia at formal school. Including about Coffee they claimed they brought into Indonesia which is also native to Indonesia since the beginning aside native to Africa. Really Europeans, Middle Eastern, North Africans, Indians and the surroundings are too filthy scamming the world for too long. How filthy they still are even after hundreds of years building Europe, USA, etc with Indonesia's unlimited wealth, even VOC was much richer than any today existing richest companies combined (much richer than Apple, Google/Alphabet, Microsoft, etc combined), research by yourself, still today Europe, USA, etc are so poor, so backward. I notice that everywhere even till today since I return home in Indonesia the last 13 years after 7-8 years The Netherlands and surrounding countries and many other years many other places and countries. Of course I am fluent in Dutch too, aside Formal Arabic, and many other languages since birth as a complete multiracial multilingual living around the world all alone since childhood royal descendant of original old Indonesia. Their Endless Karma is Paying Off. #aquarius #plutoinaquarius

I can really recomend the boardgame Indonesia by Jerouen Doumen and Joris Wiersinga. Perfect if you want to see if you could do it "better".

[@RIZFERD]

Aside drawing Indonesia too small on purpose since Mercator projection 1569 (world map is inaccurate since then, in reality Indonesia is Huge as Russia even much richer than the rest of the world) till today the Dutch are still teaching false history about Indonesia at formal school. Including about Coffee they claimed they brought into Indonesia which is also native to Indonesia since the beginning aside native to Africa. Really Europeans, Middle Eastern, North Africans, Indians and the surroundings are too filthy scamming the world for too long. How filthy they still are even after hundreds of years building Europe, USA, etc with Indonesia's unlimited wealth, even VOC was much richer than any today existing richest companies combined (much richer than Apple, Google/Alphabet, Microsoft, etc combined), research by yourself, still today Europe, USA, etc are so poor, so backward. I notice that everywhere even till today since I return home in Indonesia the last 13 years after 7-8 years The Netherlands and surrounding countries and many other years many other places and countries. Of course I am fluent in Dutch too, aside Formal Arabic, and many other languages since birth as a complete multiracial multilingual living around the world all alone since childhood royal descendant of original old Indonesia. Their Endless Karma is Paying Off. #aquarius #plutoinaquarius

More of these colonial history video essays please. Great work!

[@XxXenosxX]

The fact that ceo pay is more unequal now than in the 1800s is ridiculous

[@bobroberts2371]

So why are YOU not a CEO giving 90 % of your salary to the workers?

[@hydrolifetech7911]

​@@bobroberts2371begone bootlicker

[@alpsalish]

​​@@bobroberts2371 Wut? Why 90%? You didn't comprehend the OP did you?

[@bobroberts2371]

@@alpsalish The OP complained that a CEO gets paid too much. My solution is for him to become a CEO and give 90% of his salary to the workers as this is the most direct route to equalizing the pay gap. Also, if CEO's were getting paid too much, don't you think that the share holders would be calling for a pay reduction?

[@alpsalish]

@@bobroberts2371 No, and your point makes no sense. 90% is something you pulled out of your ass. In any case, do I think Jensen Huang should be worth to the tune of 69 billion? Nope. Shareholders, shareholders, shareholders, care little about CEO pay as long as they see some return they expect. Shareholders also wouldn't mind a greater slice.

[@fauxest4846]

Hello Asianometry! Loved your vid on this one and your best one so far, Im currently doing my own research regarding the Cultivation system (Cultuurstelsel), If you dont mind is it possible to get a chance at viewing the resources for the making of this video?

[@szurketaltos2693]

I think his newsletter may have those if he's still making it?

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

it is very similar with "food estate" program by current indonesia governmemt.

[@fauxest4846]

@@szurketaltos2693 I think he still makes those, but honestly this is all very new and interestingly especially for an Indonesian to view. Wonder how many more facts and quite open secrets that were not taught to us

[@RIZFERD]

Aside drawing Indonesia too small on purpose since Mercator projection 1569 (world map is inaccurate since then, in reality Indonesia is Huge as Russia even much richer than the rest of the world) till today the Dutch are still teaching false history about Indonesia at formal school. Including about Coffee they claimed they brought into Indonesia which is also native to Indonesia since the beginning aside native to Africa. Really Europeans, Middle Eastern, North Africans, Indians and the surroundings are too filthy scamming the world for too long. How filthy they still are even after hundreds of years building Europe, USA, etc with Indonesia's unlimited wealth, even VOC was much richer than any today existing richest companies combined (much richer than Apple, Google/Alphabet, Microsoft, etc combined), research by yourself, still today Europe, USA, etc are so poor, so backward. I notice that everywhere even till today since I return home in Indonesia the last 13 years after 7-8 years The Netherlands and surrounding countries and many other years many other places and countries. Of course I am fluent in Dutch too, aside Formal Arabic, and many other languages since birth as a complete multiracial multilingual living around the world all alone since childhood royal descendant of original old Indonesia. Their Endless Karma is Paying Off. #aquarius #plutoinaquarius

[@youxkio]

You could have mentioned that village leaders still persist today with some level of competitive authoritarianism, reminiscent of colonial dictatorship and decentralized power, where it was identifiable. Today, Indonesian village chiefs are socially biased and expand clientelism, tasked as party brokers and elite co-opted accomplices of bribing with major family-owned private companies extracting resources with redundant middlemen, all connected, independently of the political party preference.

[@honor9lite1337]

betul3x 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@causewaykayak]

A very interesting comment. Thanks .

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

i dont think its true in my place (malang, easy java).

[@eleinaedelweiss6215]

Ah yes have you seen the apdesi demonstration now thats what you call the true culprit of why Indonesian corruption run rampant. I mean 6 years and 3 terms and they want more damn that would be 18 years dude thats already awfully too long

[@youxkio]

it is mostly where the power is decentralized. Acer, Molucas, and West Papua.@@rizkyadiyanto7922

[@PvtSchlock]

The village headman selection reminds me of Scott's "An Anarchist History of Upland Asia".

[@sunfvalley]

8:19 the great grandson of one of the betrayers of pangeran diponegoro is now running for presindency

[@fawwazzaini115]

Dutch Agriculture in Colonial Indonesia was so massive, even when Indonesian govt nationalize the industry somewhere in the early 60's, it was split into 20-ish companies. I think 14 remains until 1998 financial crisis, nowadays it is united under one holding company.

[@burneraccount900]

Love your videos man. Clean and informative.

[@RIZFERD]

Aside drawing Indonesia too small on purpose since Mercator projection 1569 (world map is inaccurate since then, in reality Indonesia is Huge as Russia even much richer than the rest of the world) till today the Dutch are still teaching false history about Indonesia at formal school. Including about Coffee they claimed they brought into Indonesia which is also native to Indonesia since the beginning aside native to Africa. Really Europeans, Middle Eastern, North Africans, Indians and the surroundings are too filthy scamming the world for too long. How filthy they still are even after hundreds of years building Europe, USA, etc with Indonesia's unlimited wealth, even VOC was much richer than any today existing richest companies combined (much richer than Apple, Google/Alphabet, Microsoft, etc combined), research by yourself, still today Europe, USA, etc are so poor, so backward. I notice that everywhere even till today since I return home in Indonesia the last 13 years after 7-8 years The Netherlands and surrounding countries and many other years many other places and countries. Of course I am fluent in Dutch too, aside Formal Arabic, and many other languages since birth as a complete multiracial multilingual living around the world all alone since childhood royal descendant of original old Indonesia. Their Endless Karma is Paying Off. #aquarius #plutoinaquarius

[@The_Red_Off_Road]

I just read an article about emeralds in the July 1990 issue of National Geographic. I didnt realize that emeralds are second only to rubies. So, I'm here to ask for a video on rubies yet again. Is the subject of emeralds of something of interest? Would love to see where we stand in 2024 compared to 1990.

[@honor9lite1337]

Interesting. M

[@SukacitaYeremia]

Speaking of emeralds, The Dutch East Indies was known as the Emerald of the Equator

[@thethirdjegs]

I always love the History class (or A.P. in the philippines, but has a different meaning) but it was hard to appreciate the economics side of history. But with this video, i realized that i know too little about philippine economics during spanish colonization to make a good comparison with javanese or indonesian economy of the same period. Just some tidbits. In the 18th century, a royal east indies company was established in the philippines and they focused mainly in tobacco. Some of the tobacco plantations still exist in northern philippines. But the 19th century economics was characterized by opening to world trade in many philippine cities starting with manila in 1834. There are still plantations in the philippines that has continously been operating since the spanish period but i cannot remember if the spanish were forcing us with a single cash crop. It seems none, especially when in the case of my home province, agriculture is diversified. So the dutch has a good reason to retain java at least but why is spain clinging to its farthest colony, with unsure economic benefits. Its galleon trade with china has been cut off around 1821 with mexican independence. Philippines, a colony so sparsely settled compared to the former latin american colonies. The colony was also sparsely defended. Less than 9000 troops in 1871 if we consider that figure from the film Gomburza (2023) as true. I would to believe that the philippines was starting to industrialize in this period but there is a lot of contradicting evidence. Although, the country is remarkably more advanced than other asian countries, compared to the newly and long colonized and compared to the remaining independent ones. My questions on philippine history have just increased by watching a video about indonesian history.

[@canismajoris3910]

Can you please do a series/episode of Opium Capitalism in Asia? Or how Opium trade got into Asia?

[@stevengill1736]

Another example of how we benefitted from the industrial revolution, as sucrose sugar is now one of the cheapest purified carbohydrates in the world...

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

cheap because there is even cheaper alternatives made from syntetic alchemy.

[@pan2aja]

Because it's now made from corn

[@hailexiao2770]

Sugar beets played a bigger role in this one, since even with 1810s technology sugar could be made from beets in temperate and cold climates at far lower cost than imports from the tropics.

[@regexgenerator]

Love this thank you for all the hard work.

[@s.achannel3699]

THANK YOU FROM INDONESIA❤

[@coastofkonkan]

Excellent. Great book on this is Amitav Ghosh' The Nutmegs Curse

[@jwdevine]

And a byproduct of sugar production makes it into the semiconductor supply chain. Oughta be the follow up video! 😊

[@RIZFERD]

Aside drawing Indonesia too small on purpose since Mercator projection 1569 (world map is inaccurate since then, in reality Indonesia is Huge as Russia even much richer than the rest of the world) till today the Dutch are still teaching false history about Indonesia at formal school. Including about Coffee they claimed they brought into Indonesia which is also native to Indonesia since the beginning aside native to Africa. Really Europeans, Middle Eastern, North Africans, Indians and the surroundings are too filthy scamming the world for too long. How filthy they still are even after hundreds of years building Europe, USA, etc with Indonesia's unlimited wealth, even VOC was much richer than any today existing richest companies combined (much richer than Apple, Google/Alphabet, Microsoft, etc combined), research by yourself, still today Europe, USA, etc are so poor, so backward. I notice that everywhere even till today since I return home in Indonesia the last 13 years after 7-8 years The Netherlands and surrounding countries and many other years many other places and countries. Of course I am fluent in Dutch too, aside Formal Arabic, and many other languages since birth as a complete multiracial multilingual living around the world all alone since childhood royal descendant of original old Indonesia. Their Endless Karma is Paying Off. #aquarius #plutoinaquarius

[@hc3d]

An interesting topic. Certainly deserves more in depth analysis. The video certainly piques ones interest in how such a systen could function. There is footage of the colony in later years on youtube. To my surprise they had electric trams, surprisingly developed. But until independence, there was a two class system of course.

[@ariewijaya1679]

For the next topic maybe you can cover Indonesian aircraft industry

[@adiabd1]

I did read about the local elites took wealth from working together with the Dutch government, like the wages to construct The Great Post Road in entire length of Java that was believed not fully given to the workers. But to hear the numbers about the wealth they got compared to their peasants, I'm baffled at how corrupt they are. Well they ruled the peasants, did they not really think of the peasants wellbeing?

[@RENO_K]

As an Indonesian, Thankyou for making this video

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

Maybe it's just because i dont see it or understand the language, but it surprises me how you seem to hear pretty little about slavery done by the Netherlands, Portugal, etc, compared to the US. The way some people talk about it, you would think slavery was invented by the British colonists in America.

[@bobweiram6321]

Neither of those countries profess to be founded on liberty and justice for all. Their citizens also don't try to excuse and downplay their role in slavery as you have just done.

[@tylerhernandez5978]

The Dutch constantly downplay and excuse their role in slavery.... Look on any forum and you'll see "gekoloniseered" everywhere like it's some sort of joke, irl they seem to love blatant racism. Tolerant but not accepting.@@bobweiram6321

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

@bobweiram6321 how is what I said in any way downplaying US roles in slavery? How does what the US professes about its founding principles impede on other countries talking about their own history with slavery? Nothing that I said suggests the US should necessarily talk less about its involvement with slavery, more like why do other countries seem to talk so little about there's? Their citizens don't try to excuse or downplay their role in slavery eh? Yeah, they seemingly just don't talk about it at all. I already pointed out that it might be more talked about than I know since I'm only fluent in English. I'm guessing I'm dealing with a self-loathing American here, so no surprise at this reply.

[@greatwolf5372]

Nah people talk about it a lot just not as much as the Anglo slave trade. What no one really talks about is the Islamic slave trade of both blacks from Sub-Saharan Africa and whites from Eastern Europe. In the West, half are constantly apologizing for their "original sin" of slavery, and the other half just downplay it but in the Islamic world many are actually proud that their ancestors were the "strong" conquerors and enslavers not the "weak" defeated and slaves. 😂

[@greatwolf5372]

​@@chickenfishhybrid44You can't win an argument when you already accept 95% of your opponent's worldview and premise. You are just quibbling about minor details.

[@user-pe4zu7rc4g]

Thanks.

[@Napoleonic_S]

I laughed out loud at that "chadbourne plan" pronunciation...

[@ulogy]

...wait, the Dutch killed the dodo? Huh.

[@dogodogo5891]

nowadays sugar industry monopolized by cartel rumored consist of 7 taipan mainland descendant supposedly, some said one of those taipan own sugar plantation size of small province

[@roc7880]

Please make all these docs on unknown or unstudied issues, college courses on economics only teach a model without history.

[@Old_Jack_Ketch]

Well, that was dark 😮

[@ricardokowalski1579]

Solid content

[@arveanturtelcontar6138]

The legacy is still strong in ex vorstenlanden area

[@brunowckful]

You should do a video about the rise and fall of the Brazilian rubber monopoly. The city that Ford built to produce tyres and how biopiracy end with the monopoly.

[@tanyushing2494]

The dutch are still very proud of this empire. Unbelievable.

[@blugaledoh2669]

It was part of the Dutch golden age where they free themselves from the Spanish king and it was the founding of their nation.

[@pjacobsen1000]

Perhaps in the same way that many Indonesians are proud of their great archipelago, even though there are islands and regions that have sought independence for decades, and who are suppressed. Who is to say what is just and what is unjust?

[@werren894]

@@blugaledoh2669 then why not enslave the Spanish instead? This is so unrelated. The Netherlands killed many kings in this archipelago tho they had no politics with Spain.

[@blugaledoh2669]

@@werren894 you asking why the Dutch are proud of their empire. My point is that the empire coincided with the Dutch Golden age and independence from the Spanish.

[@werren894]

@@blugaledoh2669 so is that also the reason for Japan's favoritism? why southern states are not allowed to join the VOC lobby like Japan? because it coincided with spain? the reason why racism is such a word is that this shit keeps going until ww2, we don't even know that voc has fallen, japan become modern, and even the world totally changed, seeing planes and shit breaks us.

[@wangseng-gn3cc]

di kampung saya pabrik gula peninggalan Belanda masih beroprasi hingga sekarang walaupun kapasitas produksi sudah jauh menurun tidak seperti dulu, dan sekarang pabrik tersebut di jalankan pemerintah nasional...

[@ashariariya6516]

Read: Child of all nation, Buru Quartet Pramoedya Ananta Toer

[@dnitisastra]

9:48 skimming is an understatement

[@stupidminotaur9735]

Good video

[@yogurt3572]

Love you

[@pakkarim]

75 years ago I used to visit Petojo where a friend who went to SMA Santa Trisula lived. We are old now. Sorry there was a typo. It is 55 I'm 75

[@davismichaelwayne7646]

But you seem young in spirit, my friend!

[@pakkarim]

@@davismichaelwayne7646 Thank you for correcting my mistake.

[@memofromessex]

I'd love to hear more about Stamford Rafflles. For all the imperialists I have heard about he seems to be generally well regarded, they're still putting up statues of him in SG.

[@werren894]

his wife and family graveyard still exist today in bogor, indonesia. www.nlb.gov.sg/main/article-detail?cmsuuid=182463ee-0e0d-4b85-97e2-4693fedf90f5

[@gorgonchang7352]

Not in Indonesia. But SG, well, that country still has long way to go to extract itself out of its colonized past. Strange as it may sound, they do worship the Brits to this day.

[@jamestang1227]

Raffles in Java was a fool. His "enlightened" system of land taxes (modelled off the system in Bengal which killed a tenth of the population by famine) forced arbitrarily high taxes on Javanese peasants. This immiserated them and forced them into indebting themselves to Chinese moneylenders. There was famine on the island. Even though all his schemes were to make money for the EIC, he made so little money from his Java adventure that the EIC forced him to leave in disgrace. He has since been mythologised by PR after his death and the success of modern Singapore, of which he was only one of many British administrators who founded the colony. Near his death, he asked the EIC for a pension, they gave him he debts he still owed the company.

[@werren894]

@@jamestang1227 the only good thing about raffless is botany and anthropology, every european is bad at economy that is why exploitation exist.

[@2istedanimator]

Can you make video on sugar & colonialism in C++ pls?

[@edreeves6440]

These days the "bupati" as heads of the "kabupaten" are fully elected officials, some even "perampuan", so it's a mystery to me why in English we still call them "regents", heads of "regencies". Mind you, the lure of unearned wealth by some of the bupati still lingers, several are in jail, convicted of bribery and/or corruption. I hadn't realised before watching this video just how great a loss of life occurred during the uprising led by Prince Diponegoro, but the loss of life due to disease and starvation was probably far greater. In another video it was said that the forced cultivation of indigo led directly to starvation because it was done on fertile soils the "petani" had always used to grow their rice.

[@wenderis]

Ironically, sugarcane are native to the eastern part of Indonesia. Well maybe not that ironic since most of the lucrative spices are also native to the colonialized lands, i.e. India, Indonesia. For millennia there were already free and largely peaceful trades in the Indian ocean and China, that is until the Portuguese, Spanish, and of course the Dutch set foot.

[@jimurrata6785]

Sugar/banking dynasty in the Philippines. Ossorio's Victorias milling and north negros cane fields. The banking side saw quite a bit of tax problems in the US, where they didnt have all the pull they did in PH This too fell apart afte ther 7 dec Japanese invasion of Manila

[@wonkagaming8750]

yes more indonesian video pls

[@draggador]

17:17 > unfortunately, the chadbourne plan didn't go as planned ..

[@harkonen1000000]

Considering it inspired Leopold II's Congo Free State, it looks relatively humane.

[@gillsejusbates6938]

Hallo allemaal, wees gekoloniseerd!

[@qdpqbp]

zeg makker

[@ydid687]

india company really was something wasn't it, fortunes of trillions possible because of it though i wish my india had fared better through it and especially after it (the incumbent management of today is pathetic to another degree) i wish for betterment

[@ihl0700677525]

Thanks to gold and silver from Spanish American colonies (Google "Potosi silver mine"), the immense wealth that put Mansa Musa to shame. This inflow of precious metals to Europe help funding their colonization effort. The Dutch, which, at that time, was under the Habsburgs, the ruling dynasty of Spain, benefitted greatly from it.

[@thewatersavior]

Great look at another system of enslavement. Did they have a caste system within Java? Would be good to hear a bit more about their culture

[@danreed7889]

I've got some sugar cane syrup. Excellent in coffee.

[@snubbelbuff1471]

@11:58 The more things change the more they stay the same

[@regexgenerator]

Thanks!

[@KilanEatsandDrinks]

Central Java cuisine is notorious for being overtly sweet, so much so that even other Indonesians from outside the region would have a hard time adapting to the food there. I always make fun of one particular friend of mine from South Borneo who has to eat at a Padang restaurant (that serves Minangkabau food from West Sumatra) place every time he goes to Java for work because he just can’t take the sweetness. I’m going to show him this video 😁

[@lordr1800]

love history, love learning about these events away from Western hemisphere

[@greatquux]

And now i finally know what molasses is

[@oaktadopbok665]

But, money! I love money!

[@HungVu-ec3jk]

I listen to this guy in the shower

[@lakrids-pibe]

Today, 4% of Denmark's GDP comes from medicin for diabetes and weight control. Just kidding. I don't know the exact number. But Novo Nordisk is making a lot from Wegovy and Ozempic .

[@MatthewDoye]

I find the economic history and failures of western empires fascinating. It serves to prove that the only way they could be profitable for the state was by exporting the cruelties and exploitation that was no longer acceptable at home.

[@pjacobsen1000]

If there was money to be made anywhere in the world, they took that chance. Not much different from today. It's only the social development that has changed.

[@gillsejusbates6938]

no that doesnt prove thats the only way, it proves that is A way. Average people and their conclusions are truly fascinating!

[@MatthewDoye]

@@gillsejusbates6938 Depends how one defines proof. I cannot think of a single successful European colonial project from Greenland to New Zealand that did not involve cruelty to its indigenous inhabitants. The least cruel ended up a massive drain on the colonial power's coffers and regained independence within a hundred years. There is simply no succesful alternative model. I suggest you don't call people average when you know so little about them.

[@Maria-ig1bd]

Andrei, you must think ranting is bad, or something... Dude! I'm stating facts too 🤣 You DO rant, but most of us are here to hear your rantings. C'mon!

[@levinb1]

Aren’t all Colonial Empires built upon the forced/coerced labor of either original inhabitants or the imported slave labor?

[@rudysmith1552]

Many of them were built on a trade Monopolys and tribute I don't think many African colonies in Europe ever fully governed the natives

[@liquidpatriot4480]

Most empires throughout history infact. Humans suck😅

[@JoseLopez-hp5oo]

Not much has changed, companies still profit from taking advantage of poorer people, be it using temporary foreign labor and/or exporting to jobs to locations with less lack of labor/safety laws. It seems there is nothing more profitable then taking advantage of others.

[@ericburton5163]

I think that's the point. On some corners of the internet sometimes Dutch colonialism is held up as a model and a positive force for good while French, Portuguese, Spanish, and especially British colonialism are seen as pure evil. To me what I got from the video is that Dutch colonialism is more like it's European counterparts than many online like to believe.

[@levinb1]

@@ericburton5163 Yes! 💯

[@honor9lite1337]

Any other Indonesian here? #mantap 👍🏻

[@ridhohikamabdillahbassani9936]

Until now Indonesia addict to sugar

[@umarmars47]

Next: Malaysia Rubber plantation and who controls it

[@havencat9337]

nothing new told here...

[@mackbedunduk1305]

European colonialization over this archipelago especially java island..has started and educated the local indigenous to what so called "the need of massive deforestation era"

[@newbabies923]

Wrong. Dutch never wanted to educated the native

[@scarymonster5541]

Wrong

[@sullivan6661]

Source : dude trust me 😂

[@harukrentz435]

The Culturstelsel period has often been forgotten as people are more focus on 3.5 years of cruel Japanese occupation.

[@wawanmuldiantoro7159]

The first conglomerate in South east asia was Oei Tiong Ham from Semarang. He was a sugar king and owned many sugar mills in Java and also traded many Dutch east indies crops worldwide. In Singapore a park and road were named after him.

[@jonr6680]

I've come to realize humans are worse than animals. Plus (despite education) my ignorance of history and geography is terrifying, plus amnesia, plus deliberate propaganda... So this video and channels like this are vital.

[@dann5480]

Not really, it's the colonial machinery instituted by the western powers that did this. Currently we see the same thing happening in the middle East.

[@andikafabian]

The Netherlands should pay compensation to Indonesia

[@andikafabian]

@@d1g1tvl-0hretor1c for all atrocities they had done

[@Kaasschaaf1991]

Not gonna pay, forget about that.

[@shaheenadibi959]

"...Real talk the Chinese entrepenurs did not like the sugar business..." 😂

[@nareshjoshi123]

how Indonesia become majority Muslim , hope you make video on this subject

[@EmilNicolaiePerhinschi]

2%, 4% of GDP ... so considering the expenses to keep others from taking those colonies they were actually losing money and only subsidizing the companies who operated the colonies :-/

[@ridhobaihaqi144]

Indonesian things appears

[@nomadhgnis9425]

I find it interesting that today the world focus on the slavery of the europeans. No one seems to focus on the pre-colonial slavery by the very people that are slaves. In india there was great slavery of other peoples (ramayan and mahabharata wars). Indians in india are proud of the ancestors committed by their for-fathers. Very deep history. I find it hypocritical of non-europeans claiming injustice when their ancestors committed worse atrocities. The reality is that throughout history there were great ancestors committed by many civilizations. No one should be blaming nayone because everyone has a history of injustice. Its time people wake up and own up to their own hypocritical beliefs.

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

Slavery in these wars? What you talking about. This video has clearly made you go on whataboutery

[@nomadhgnis9425]

@@ShubhamMishrabro you very well know these wars. India has a history of slavery long before the europeans came. Go and read history. These are facts. Even the hindu epics document the slavery in it. Read the actual books and you will be shocked at the evil things done in india by the gurus. India should not lecture anyone about righteousness because their entire belief system is based on unrighteousness. These are pure facts.

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

@@nomadhgnis9425 but where is any indian lecturing European. You seemed to be offended by this video. You know who this channel is? Or you're just here to rant about European being shown in bad light. How is colonialism video offending you? And did i said india or any country don't have bad things? I'm not offended if someone talks about it

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

@@nomadhgnis9425 and gimme any references to the slavery please?

[@nomadhgnis9425]

@@ShubhamMishrabro There are many more references. One is sufficient to prove my point. Mahabharata 4:72 (p.127) "...And Krishna gave unto each of the illustrious sons of Pandu numerous female slaves, and gems and robes"

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

My paternal grandfather was the plant engineer of a sugar mill in central Java, from the 1920s until WWII, when the Japanese put him into a prison camp. He was the only grandparent that I ever met, as all the others predeceased my birth. He was well off, and owned a half dozen cars, when even in American, most people didn't even have one. My grandfather passed in 1970, when I was 11. Jobs and pay were scaled by your ethnic group. Top positions and pay to Europeans, and the least pay, and crappiest pay to the indigenous population. People always point to "Jim Crow" laws in the US, and apartheid in South Africa, but the colonies were in the same boat.

[@huypt7739]

Arent natives like honey bees?

[@chintham2861]

Jews who were expelled from Spain ended up in the Netherlands, Morocco, Turkey, etc. Amsterdam seemed to built with canals as the houses in Amsterdam were trading posts and used the canals for their ships. Most of the traders were Jews. When Portugal successfully circumnavigated around Africa thus bypassing the Ottoman stranglehold on European-Asian trade, they set up trading ports all over the Indian Ocean countries and armed them as pirates were prevalent in those days. The individual Dutch traders had no chance competing with the Portuguese Imperial ships which were warships with armed soldiers and fortified ports. So The Dutch decided to form a consortium. The Dutch East India Company was formed. As it needed a large capital the Dutch East India Company was a joint-stock company. A joint-stock company was basically a stock market for one company and the Bank of Amsterdam handled the stock. The Dutch East India Company or VOC was so successful that the Bank of Amsterdam became the biggest bank in Europe and the North Sea was cordorned off with a dam and land reclaimed from the wetlands.

[@honor9lite1337]

It's actually the biggest company in the world, even Amazon/Apple hasn't came close to it.

[@DenUitvreter]

What a load of BS. The jewish community was small and less than one percent of the traders. The Dutch had more merchant ships in the huge European trade than all of the others combined. The Dutch Republic was only early in the 80-years war for independence and religious tolerance with Spain and Portugal. The VOC was founded to attack the Portuguese Asian income and pay for it with it's own trade, it was given a monopoly East of the Cape for that reason. The stock was handled by the chambers of the VOC, which werer spread out over several cities to make it a national war entreprise. After the first succesfull trade missions, the VOC saw a lot more opportunity than just robbing some Portuguese ships and buying some silk, and profit needed to be reinvested. Since many shareholders were very ordinary people who couldn't wait long for ROI, they were offered the opportunity to sell their share at the De Keyser exchange and most shares ended up with the rich who had the patience and the maids and carpenter investors had their ROI in cash. Again, the Bank of Amsterdam had nothing to do with it. The Amsterdamse Wisselbank was the biggest in Europe because it made money reliable and functioned as the first central bank. It was in the biggest trading hub of Europe in the country of by far the biggest traders in Europe. That's also why the Dutch were already filthy rich when the VOC started to pay it's first dividends in 1633, 31 years after it's foundation. The whole VOC with it's lousy 200 merchant ships at it's peak was peanuts for the Dutch economy. Land reclamation had nothing to do with it either. This is really like 'I know (false) only 2 things about the Netherlands so they must be connected'.

[@DenUitvreter]

@@honor9lite1337 Don't believe every YT nonsense video.

[@chintham2861]

@@DenUitvreter The people of the Netherlands sympathized with them for, as Protestants, their common enemy was Philip II. This understanding led, from 1593, to the gradual migration of the Jews to Amsterdam where, in 1596, they were permitted to build a synagogue and practise their Judaism openly. These good tidings, through the usual mysterious channels, reached Spain and Portugal, and immigrants poured into Holland where they immediately discarded the uncomfortable cloak of Christianity which they had worn. Among the immigrants came a youth, Menasseh ben Israel who, later in life as the Rabbi of Amsterdam, was destined to be the prophetic messenger who petitioned the Lord Protector, Oliver Cromwell, to permit the Jews to return to England. Holland had been an exceedingly poor country. The wars with Spain impoverished it still more. The capital, therefore, which the Jews brought into Amsterdam became particularly welcome and made possible the organization of great trans-Atlantic companies and the equipping of trading expeditions. Reference:nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/t

[@jimurrata6785]

Interesting that you use "Taiwan" when at the time it would be Formosa. I guess people think it odd when i talk about being in Rhodesia...

[@gillsejusbates6938]

well, Rhodesians never die

[@jimurrata6785]

@@gillsejusbates6938 Just visiting. OMW from SA to Kilimanjaro

[@JasperKlijndijk]

Cultivating part of your lands for tax and keeping the rest for yourself doesn't sound that bad. Sad how greed always seems to overdo exploitation.