Sugrue's Thoughts on the Origins of Science MD1 - Open Class for Medical Workers and Doctors

This is the first talk on the origins of nature and natural science for the Doctor’s course. In Science 1.n, mythphysics, the world was personified with spooks and spirits and the distinction between subjects and objects was not yet clearly developed. The world’s first Scientific Revolution happened in Ionia about 600BC. A similar Scientific Revolution happened in China about 300 BC with Tsou Yen and the school of naturalists. A demythologized observation based account of the world without supernatural non sequiturs was necessarily revolutionary. In politics, art, ethics, law, and religion, everything had to be rethought. One of the applications of this new thought was the emergence of a new techne: Hippocratic medicine.
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And these are also easy to understand, even though the topics might be complicated...

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[@thattimestampguy]

0:00 This video and the series of videos are Dedicated to the Medical Professionals 🏥 0:26 Go fix something that’s not working right ❤️‍🩹🩺🏥 0:44 “I wanna teach once a month for a year.” 1:00 *Reading List* 📑 📚 1:26 2:16 Texts to be read in this series of videos for Medical 🏥 Workers who took care of America during the Covid Pandemic. 3:27 Pre-Socratics 3:32 Some of the viewers of these videos are Michael Sugrue’s Own Students (! Wow!) *The Short Readings* 📖 4:00 Punishment For Murder 5:14 Punishment For The Owner of The Murderer. 6:03 Categories separate Humans and Animals. 6:37 Intention, Freedom. 7:04 Conception of Nature. Primitive Account of The Physical World. 8:00 Objects vs Subjects. 9:34 Calendar, Inexactness, Modification. 10:13 Ancient People are Not stupid. They have the hardware. 🧠 11:09 The demands being made on 11:25 _You’re only as good as your presuppositions._ 11:57 Scientific Revolution in Ancient Greece. 12:57 Story of Good and Bad Spirits. Rivalry. Disgruntled Anger. 14:24 A Statue Was Prosecuted For Murder in Ancient Greece. 15:32 15:43 Persian Emperor Xerxes. 16:44 “The wrong answer is stupid people doing stupid things.” 17:22 They are limited by the culture and the software they have running. 18:07 A set of Narratives, Epic Poems. 18:52 Science might have began with the 21:00 Every Time A Scientific Revolution Happens. 23:52 Sci 1.0 “What was that?” Sci 2.0 “What is that?” 25:00 What do you gesture at? 26:06 Thales “All Is Water.” 27:13 “If I can’t see it in the world, I don’t think it’s there.” 29:15 The Unbound. *Heraclitus and Parmenides: Change and Permanence* 32:25 Change. 37:04 Monism breaks down. 39:25 How is that possible? 40:07 40:39 Earth, Air, Fir, Water 42:56 Roundness vs Sharpness 44:08 45:17 Why Greece? why now? *The Sophists* 47:49 Sophists. 51:10 Protagorist 52:20 Thersemicus 53:36 Gorgias 55:46 “Nothing Exists” 56:55 “Uncommunicable” End of this video 58:02 Love to his Former Students. 59:39 Bye 👋🏻

[@cheri238]

The might be harder than I thought. Anyway, I love challenges. ❤️

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We got timestamp guy on this!! So we know it's legit content! Lol!

[@Dino_Medici]

Thank you so much for these bro

[@austinmackell9286]

Not a doctor but I am watching anyhow and you can't stop me.

[@cheri238]

I agree!!!

[@LightningBoltJpS]

Love the content, but would also love detailed instructions for how to sign up for everything. Please post! If it’s still possible.

[@historicusjoe121]

Good luck with that. See my post.

[@josephasghar]

Great to see and hear you again, Dr Sugrue.

[@roniteam]

Awesome sir.. From a guy from Pakistan who would have never been interested in taking subject of Philosophy in a Pakistani University is now listening to the greatest professor of one of greatest universities quite regularly is such an amazing experience. You are a Gem sir.Thanks for sharing this knowledge for free.

[@vincecascio4095]

Is That The Great Dr. Michael Sugrue ? MAN, HE HAS CHANGED ! I used to watch his video's back in the 90's when I was in college. What happen to the trademark thick rimed glass's ?

[@KRAU5555]

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[@ssmot113]

Thank you for these accessible lectures. I feel I have been born in the right age to be able to listen to these....

[@BTLM1917]

Love the opening. Thank you again professor.

[@TheWidgeon23]

The smile in the video thumnail made me so happy. You daily nurture my curiosity, sir. Thank you.

[@user-of8gd2ix5i]

Thank you Professor ! Have a great weekend.

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My good Professor, look up when Erwin, TN had a jury trial for an elephant who killed a man, the elephant was convicted, and they brought in a crane and HUNG the elephant. All that aside, truly wonderful people and part of America lol. Glad to see you are still providing your services for all of humanity, I was getting worried about you. 🙏

[@mtsbrz]

I've missed your classes professor Sugrue. I am glad you are back

[@joshbeierschmitt4820]

Without question, you are my favorite professor. You and Dr. Staloff have given me such a gift: an education I would otherwise not be able to afford.

[@dantweeton]

Philosophy, the great equalizer even in healthcare. Glad to be participating in this.

[@MySonicEuphoria]

Great lecture! Sugrue has chops. Thanks for taking the time to make this 👍

[@poopslappa1661]

Hey Dr. Sugrue! I'm in the process of med school applications, so this couldn't have come at a better time! It's amazing how much insight you hold. I also really appreciate your emphasis on not pretending humans of the past are dumb! I'm excited for the next 11 videos (: hope you are well!

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Worth every penny.

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You are awesome, Professor, I hope to be able to communicate and teach one day as well as you did these past decades consistently.

[@tinfoilhatscholar]

Excellent. Just excellent. You're as sharp as ever professor ❤

[@grndragon7777777]

Hey just wanted to say thank you for the lectures

[@jorgemoreno2804]

Thanks!

[@corqMcc]

I’m not a doctor but I’m here. Thank you so much for these talks.

[@jg8484]

"You are only as good as your presuppositions" beautifully put, and very Socratic. I am a nurse, thank you for your content; I have learned a lot from you.

[@TubbyDubby]

You da man!

[@joshbeierschmitt4820]

I was thinking of voodoo when you were speaking of the statue being persecuted (voodoo presupposes a relationship between subject and object). Also, culture as software and our minds as hardware: brilliant. "Science begins with the criticism of poetry." I regurgitate your stuff all the time (giving you credit of course). Thanks for the mind bending/fish-hook-in-brain lectures.

[@trent797]

I really enjoyed this lecture. I am finishing The Republic so I can watch your other recent lectures, but now I want to read the Pre-Socratics, too.

[@girirahula7578]

Dear Sugrue, I learnt a lot from the lectures of yours. I am a young professional, started teaching 'nature of science' to MA students. This talk is very close to the course I am teaching. May I request you to share some references of this talk 🙏

[@iExamineLife]

Thanks for the class Mike and amazing at always! was expecting "world history" this weekend but lecture in advanced most welcome! 🙂 Also, for "world history" coures, which books and chapters are you refereing please? >November 18 - Gobekli Tepe and Homo Religiosus - Cauvin >December 16 - Ancient Greek and Chinese Physics - Lloyd >January 20 - Ancient Greek and Chinese Technology Thanks and look forward to the Q&A tomorrow 🙂

[@Sulla5279]

This was great!! Thank you. Curious you mention Gorgias is your favorite sophist…I’ve studied the sophists too but my favorite is Isocrates. What are your thoughts about him?

[@SyvilMedia]

Love this channel... Do you have any videos about Fyodor Dostoevsky?

[@ronethegreat9]

Even if this isn't exactly philosophy, really happy to see this!

[@casteretpollux]

Imo yes it is philosophy. Pre Socrates not much distinction between science and religion.

[@casteretpollux]

Great idea. Looking forward to this. However it may be the case that stories anthropomorphising natural phenomena - the sun, storms and lightning, the moon, the sea, the earth - were always known to be allegorical. Humans were not stupid. In early days of domestication of animals, culling of particularly violent animals must have been part of the process. Decapitation of engineers who loused up also not entirely illogical. And which of us has never kicked an inanimate object in frustration ?

[@jamessheffield4173]

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[@jaydenwilson9522]

google - virus ontology - sir pretty amazing that its still up for discussion whether it is its own living entity or not. also i'd LOVE to hear your thoughts on the debate of Henri Bergson vs Einstein

[@cheri238]

Thank you, Dr. Sugrue. (I will have to go over this thoroughly and slowly.) The first talk on the origins and natural science for the doctor 's course. This is an extensive overview of these earlier philosophers and writers, which is complex but with great merit. We all should be grateful to have these writings of importance to human cultures and civilizations. Lucetius, a roman poet and philosopher of the 1st century B.C. As you know, very little is known about his history---in fact, in fact, only work---is in an essay in verse on The Nature of Things. Lucretius was a very earnest component of all religious faiths and all beliefs in supernatural power. The highest good for him was a calm and tranquil mind. The creation out of nothing he held to be impossible, neither can anything be destroyed. Life mind, soul, etc., as merely as we should say are merely functions of the body and will perish with the body. All knowledge derives from our senses, which are the only test of truth. All phenomena can be explained by natural causes and, thus, no ground in the supernatural. There is decidenly a modern flavor among some of the doctrines of Lucretius. For example, he explains contagious diseases by flying out in the air of minute particles, germs as we call them, and injurious to life; and again, in his account of the various animal life, as they successfully appeared on the earth, we almost have an anticipation of the Darwinian theory of evolution.

[@dr.michaelsugrue]

Lucretius is wonderful, I should attend to this

[@cheri238]

@@dr.michaelsugrue Thank you, Dr Sugre. I do appreciate your lectures and I hope you are feeling better. Understandably, I might not be the brightess of your students, but I do have the ability to read.

[@mentalitydesignvideo]

Real origins of science: Trepanation causes less scandal if, while making a hole in somebody's head, you say "For science!"

[@nethengwemakaveli1823]

Thanks for the lecture 🔥 @Michaelsugrue Can you do a lecture on camus

[@dr.michaelsugrue]

Yes, but not gladly. There are student lecture notes from a class on Camus on my Substack.

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How can I sign up for this live classes?

[@rahulanand8257]

Same question!!!

[@cheri238]

I tried 😪

[@3rd_POV]

Same question

[@historicusjoe121]

You can't. I did, bought the books from Amazon as suggested and then heard nothing from Sugrue.

[@cheri238]

@@historicusjoe121 I had most of the books. and i don't like Amazon 😞

[@davidconroy8554]

Do they not have the word Logos?

[@cbs8585]

Convergence ALERT: Sugrues & Vervaeke

[@davidconroy8554]

The Hermetics said everything is mind, do you agree with this or what is your interpretation of it?

[@grapeshott]

40:04 My note

[@thegeordierambler4373]

Well.. I cannot but love Elvis..a learned gent would get the slant..Darren ..well just might ..and this is it.. From Arthur..now he hated noise…so perhaps this this a little of me..’ If I can dream’

[@thegeordierambler4373]

Arthur tells me.. bated breath for the book that you have been writing? He tells me… it must be finished..and preferably in your lifetime! He tells me systematic, coherent, and with a goal in mind. Michael.. I hated Hegel..But please don’t leave it open to criticism you cannot answer?? Put it out there..for my objection?

[@thegeordierambler4373]

He says he is finding a hard word in the German language for criticism? I do not understand this? He tells me you must respond in Latin or Greek?

[@thegeordierambler4373]

He keeps mentioning Democritus ?? Your knowledge, he says, would let you explain this?

[@kaimarmalade9660]

I got into Galen after hearing about him from you and Darren. To my great disappointment every doctor I try to geek out with over the great differences between Greek Hippocratic doctors and Roman battlefield surgeons I basically get a, "oh yeah that's all pretty neat man." Mildly disappointing. Perhaps randomly approaching doctors on the street is a bad strategy for making intellectual friends.

[@davidconroy8554]

Is the dollar a myth that holds society together?

[@Reda-0086]

if x becomes y and no longer x, that's because they share the same essence .. if z to become o and no longer z, it means for z to be o & not y its because it shares the essence of o and not y , for x & y are one ..

[@JB-ru4fr]

The new “church and state” is business and state. Corporate myths are the glue of modern society.

[@davidconroy8554]

I'm sure you are aware of the story of Phaeton and the sun chariot? That seriously impacted on my life. Did my ego exceed my ability? Absolutely. It took this realization for me to adapt the Stoic way, " a little better every day." Then you won't crash and burn.

[@SubEthaEngineer]

why doctors and not engineers? doctors are generally the mechanics. the machinery they work on may be heaven sent, but the true divine inspiration lies with engineers, who actually create the standard which doctors attempt to use for the healing arts. maybe i'm a grumpy old engineer, but it irks me greatly

[@theoneand0nly874]

wasn't the origin and reason of scientists and science itself to find a way to live forever, drinking gold and attempting all sorts of stuff before the hypothesis became a thing.

[@dr.michaelsugrue]

I think you're talking about alchemy, which is much later and only a small part of natural science.

[@theoneand0nly874]

I thought that they wanted to live forever because they wanted to rival eternal life, like it said in religious texts. @@dr.michaelsugrue

[@thegeordierambler4373]

Well.. not mesmerised..just tickled! AS

[@thegeordierambler4373]

Who introduced tickled? Where the hell does that come from? Well..W2

[@historicusjoe121]

This is all very strange. I signed up for the lecture for September 10th. I bought all the suggested books from Amazon. But never was given the zoom log in. I'm quite disappointed in the logistics and lack of notice and communication from this page.

[@BTLM1917]

This is informal and for personal growth. Accept it gratefully.

[@historicusjoe121]

@BTLM1917 You have no clue what I am referring to. Don't comment when you don't know what you're saying.

[@historicusjoe121]

@cheri238 Who am I? Not sure what you mean by that.

[@louisbrassard9565]

Robots are objects of our making and some people argues they are'nt purely object denies of any intelligence and consciousness. This is a modern case of anthropomorphism. Some people have erotic reactions to sex dolls which is another manifestation of anthropomorphism. We easily engaged emotionally to theatre play or movies although we knows they are pure fiction but we delibaratly engage into them. We delibiratly today as in the archaic times engage in fictions, knowingly so for the same reasons as today which have nothing to do our state of knowledge about the world but because we find some satisfactions in doing so. It is delusional to think we are in this respect any different today than we were 4000 years ago. We are a mythical social animal and this is'nt going to change.

[@louisbrassard9565]

Why the first scientific revolution was made by the Ionians greeks and not by the assyrians, the persians, nor the egyptians? Because they were traders and could not afford to have gigantic libraries and have priest class dedicated to learn to read and write awfully complicated systems and memorise compl;icated trades practices. The writing systems had to be simplify and knowledge abstracted and so simplify and condensed. This is how theoretical mind set invented mathematics, accounting, geometries in a way which were abstact idealisation of the trade practices such as land measurement by rope and rods, etc. The first mathematical theorem was invented by Thales before this land.measurement was based trade trick , not theorems since no proofs can be made in the real empirical world but separating the practice from so-called idealised truth called axiom, then theorems could be invented. Mathematics was thus created by the process of synthetising land measurement empirical truth into absolute truths into an imaginary idealised world which will be called Euclid geometry after many centuries. So the traders could not afford to dedicate an entire class of people to these trade practices so synthesis, abstractions were required which is the birth of sciences and mathematics; it could not have taking place without of thousand of years of development of the trade practices of the first civilisations.

[@tinfoilhatscholar]

Had to pause the lecture to read this comment... That doesn't happen often. Thanks

[@tamiloreolufemi9685]

Where can I read more about this?

[@louisbrassard9565]

This is my own interpretation from large. number of reading. I did not write yet my thought into a book and I do not know a book which elaborate such view.@@tamiloreolufemi9685

[@robharrell-xd2pi]

Appreciate the tone again but fundamentally disagree with such statements as religious interpretations of creation and life as being “imaginary accounts of the world”....”limited by assumptions”. Have you no materialistic assumptions? et. all?

[@patrickskramstad1485]

If any dog bites a human, there is a good chance that the dog will be executed. So I believe we still prosecute animals.

[@dr.michaelsugrue]

This is true, but you are missing the related point, the categories deployed mean the justification is completely different. Today, a government faced with a tree dangerously overhanging a public road would cut it down, but not regard the tree as a malefactor deserving criminal liability. A dog known to bite will be treated the same, as a public danger, not a culpable moral evildoer. Nobody holds trials for non humans anymore, and if a dog is euthanized because of a proclivity to bite, it gets treated like any other dog being put down, not stoned to death like as a murderer.

[@patrickskramstad1485]

@@dr.michaelsugrue great clarification :)

[@davidconroy8554]

I have so much to say about your lecture, I really do feel that it's a little egotistical in that you seem to be of the opinion that the pre-socratics were primitive beings when in fact they were in fact far superior to Homer Simpson, the stereo typical American male.

[@susanralph274]

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[@christinemartin63]

Greeks "inheriting" great ideas, techniques, and theories from Egypt?? You mean like Pythagoras spending 30 years in Egypt and then "discovering" his theories and presenting them as original ideas when he returned to his commune?? Uh ... OK ... if that kind of "truth" is what the West wants to claim as its own, we need to redefine "truth"--or at least recast "inherit" to read "expropriate." Dios mio 🙄!

[@rakkeez]

Any chance we can see you in Instagram? PLEASE?

[@dr.michaelsugrue]

My daughter says no

[@JasSum]

Thanks!