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[@themightybagle99]

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[@ewaysrevenge]

This game was never going anywhere. Has the writing not been on the wall for awhile? I don’t see why anyone would be surprised at this point, everything they’ve released surrounding the game doesn’t look promising and screams DOA (I’d bet money on it if I could). Especially considering recent superhero games like The Avengers, Gotham Knights, or Spiderman 2.

[@electroshock58]

Nah, I hope you're right. I'm sick, and tired of these greedy ass corporations, shoving their garbage down our throats. They need to be held accountable for their actions.

[@InJeffable]

On the plus side, I'll probably be able to buy it in a few years with all cosmetics for less than $5 right before it's delisted.

[@ricardohoang8452]

It will be another Anthem as this is Warner Bruh 😂

[@heavenlyvirtue8367]

I've known since the day the leaks came out about it being a live service looter shooter that the game was doomed and all of its delays were just delaying the inevitable. So sad to see this as Kevin Conroys' final performance as Batman :(

[@lastsong7159]

I love playing live shooter games that are just reskins of the same games in the genre. My favorite part is when I do the exact same thing I do in another game, except now it's with the super quirky Harley Quinn.

[@sytherwusky]

i think the towering heights of both of the Justice League and the Suicide Squad like the avengers are its biggest downfall for the game

[@joeyoung9596]

The gameplay just looks painful to watch.. is just sad seeing where the current Rocksteady is heading.. Eventhough the previous teams left the company years ago. :(

[@pauperslament3467]

@@lastsong7159 this industry LOVES making "games" for you!

[@Hasan-hm5fy]

@@lastsong7159dc just loves pushing Harley Quinn down everyone’s throat lately

[@thisisfyne]

Oh no, soulless corporate-mandated live-service big IP product will not perform according to unreasonable expected projections Time to mass layoff some artists again then, amiright

[@super_tang0_64]

lmao, modern gaming industry in a nutshell

[@originalscreenname44]

Zaslav is already prepping the furnace for Rocksteady.

[@jigglynorris2559]

This comment needs to get pinned

[@hotrodflame4410]

@@super_tang0_64 It’s every industry right now. Capitalism is failing for the 99% harder than ever.

[@bobtom1495]

@hotrodflame4410 how about you shut your mouth and keep politics out of a games conversation....

[@ORO323]

Just the idea that a group of people with guns can kill the justice league is ludicrous. It makes me curious how the game leads you to kill Superman.

[@fransiskusr.a.8989]

Something something Kryptonite-infused bullet something something

[@LeaveMeAloneFBI]

Martha

[@Yarharsuperpirate]

This. A much better structure would be having the missions leading up to fighting them basically be designed to rig things against them. So when you actually fight them, it makes sense because the justice league are severely weakened and actually possible

[@gameuniverse5973]

Hey king shark is actually pretty broken in the comics but the justice league here are probably going to way weaker than other depictions

[@Takato2527]

Then you find out Kryptonite need 6900 hours of grinding, and then, you realized Superman is just a bullet sponge.

[@DollarDude]

Rocksteady knows how to make a good game. It really feels like Rocksteady was forced to develop this game against their will, and it's just being shoved to market by an invisible hand despite the backlash and negative reactions.

[@pogtuber5146]

I'm sure you will be surprised to hear the director of Arkham Knight left RS in 2020, of course!

[@mightylink65]

It's pretty obvious now why they wouldn't show the UI during any of the gameplay demos. They wanted this game to look like an mmo/esports live service but they didn't want people to know that before launch. The game looks absolutely dreadful and soul sucking, it's absolutely nothing I want to be a part of.

[@e2rqey]

It looks like that "if Elden ring was made by Ubisoft" meme

[@SomeGuy-mt4hq]

The usage of "mmo/esports" makes no sense here. You realize live service is a completely seperate thing than both of those?

[@Julez67s]

Naw, these previews don’t do it justice. IMO I had low expectations going into playing this game. It actually surprised me how much I enjoyed it.

[@StrigidaeStrigiformes-sv6mj]

​@@e2rqeyOh my gawd. My blood pressure is increasing just thinking of that.

[@BlazingOwnager]

From what I've seen here's also why the entire concept falls apart: They don't do anything special to take on the justice league, just show up and fight them. Like the Flash. He should be able to crush every single person there in a nanosecond. Bullets should be hilarious to him. They could have had a whole series of heist like missions around getting the stuff you need to fight the Flash, some way to slow him down or weaken him, leading to a boss fight where he's heavily nerfed. It's shallow and lame execution.

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

I agree. Instead of the boss fight just being about shooting Flash, it should have been more creative about how to take him down

[@gameuniverse5973]

I think it should be that they are fighting the control over them with them trying to limit themselves as much as they can To show their willpower that there strong enough to somewhat fight it and are willing to be killed by limiting themselves so they won't hurt any innocent people

[@gameuniverse5973]

Or they can have reverse flash be a char instead of mister boomerang of all people Only reason why Harley there because of popularity so if rf takes boomerang spot that means it be all rounder:Harley dexterity:Deathshot Power:king shark Fast:rf

[@songogu9]

​@@gameuniverse5973that's sounds supremely stupid though.

[@goochipoochie]

By that logic Flash should beat everyone in the DC universe By that logic Green Lantern contructs should also beat everyone in the DC universe DC is trash so none of power scaling and abilities matter in its storytelling

[@calvinnguyen1870]

Remember that trailer where the Flash, so amused by the squad’s attempts to kill him with mere guns, says “Really? Why don’t you just mail me the bullet?” Yeah, great line. Anyways, here’s a boss fight that involves shooting the Flash to death. But seriously, c’mon. The ONLY reason you’d design a Flash boss fight like this is if you had the creative limitation of needing to be a live service looter shooter. Why not let the player place traps to slow him down? Or maybe even a power-up that lets you temporarily match his speed? Because the game isn’t actually trying to be fun, it’s trying to meet the bare minimum of engagement so they can sell you skins.

[@hannahw7023]

The Heimdall fight in GOW Ragnarok is sooo perfect for something like Flash. Heimdall can foresee your attacks so you have to use the duplicating Draupnir Spear to place traps in the arena. And if you throw the spears at him directly, he will sometimes catch them and you can detonate the spears while he is holding them to do damage. But that only happened because the game's narrative involved Kratos receiving that very specific weapon. In a looter shooter where your only weapon is guns, you can't pull that off.

[@Pointman11111]

You mean the device we'll get to slow down Flash? Lol

[@killerqueenisthebeststando4381]

​@@hannahw7023ironic since The Flash has the same voice actor as Heimdall😂

[@fernandofaria2872]

@@hannahw7023 which still doesn't make sense at all. If he can predict the future, why can't he predict the traps, duplicating spears or the exploding ones? -.-

[@ravenger5672]

The modern gaming industry, at least the stuff with any money behind it, is nothing but this corporate analytics garbage. They make more money giving these “service” games away for free. That’s how many mindless consumers eat up this service game garbage. Now even Rocksteady is getting in on it. This industry is doomed if it keeps going this way. We’ll end up like Hollywood and their pipeline of pure sht.

[@WeAreN1nja]

I think the biggest issue is the disparity between the subject matter and the type of game they're shoehorning it into. Superhero movies/games are meant to make you feel powerful. Looter shooters are meant to make you feel weak and encourage you to grind until you're strong. Superheroes have distinct signature powers and abilities, so their power levels are somewhat pre-determined. Grindy looter mechanics completely undermine that and makes the characters feel generic, and their "big names" feel disingenuous. .

[@diestormlie]

The Superhero Shape goes in the... Live Service Looter-Shooter hole?

[@MrProdigy810]

I think that’s why they didn’t make you the super heroes

[@WeAreN1nja]

@@MrProdigy810 Superhero, anti-hero... Similar archetype in a lot of media.

[@MrProdigy810]

@@WeAreN1nja Not necessarily. Anti-heroes are often written as less powerful counterparts to their far more powerful accomplices and adversaries. If you have the power to be on top, you often wouldn’t need to be written as an antihero. For this in particular I look at this game and it reminds me of the Boys if you’ve ever seen that show.

[@WeAreN1nja]

@MrProdigy810 There are plenty of powerful antiheroes. Spawn and Black Adam immediately spring to mind. In the case of KTJL, I think a varied, extensive build system does a disservice to moderately popular/well-known characters with well-defined traits and power sets. Looters are better suited to characters designed specifically for the in-game systems/world, or created characters designed with the game world in mind.

[@JamezGrimm]

At this point. We should stop labeling things as “AAA” and should just now be corporate trash. Since it’s far more likely you’re going to get poor thought out cash crabs from them than you will from the true “AAA” developers, Indy developers.

[@pvshka]

We should pronounce like Dankpods does. Screaming. Screaming in terror of what new atrocities corporate game design brings.

[@Mystipaoniz]

yes you're right. The definition of AAA has shifted from "best of the best with loads of money to develop" to "soulless poorly thought out corporate garbage cash grab".

[@pianospawn1]

This should be the top comment

[@qinlongfei]

Sterling did say the A in AAA stand for Ass.

[@prestonmccoy7097]

What?! People didn’t see this coming?! Do tell. I saw this coming from a mile away and I’m a HUGE RockSteady fan. I just could always tell that this wasn’t the game for them. Wonder what the story will be when it bombs…

[@WolfyRagnarok]

"Astronauts weren't bored when they landed on the moon."

[@JonTheVGNerd]

2024 is really off to an awful start for gaming.

[@Macrochenia]

People saw this coming, they were just hoping that somehow Rocksteady would manage to turn things around after the game's delay from last year.

[@Skater6453]

Oh you can bet it will be everyone but their faults. We will all just be bigots, racist, sexist, etc. All the good old classic modern excuses to not have to take responsibility for crappy decisions and their head in the sand while also claiming victim points.

[@expendablegaming8215]

Same story as it has been for a while now; WB are greedy fucks who ruin almost everything they touch. Obviously Rocksteady isn’t innocent, but WB has a horrible track record of stuffing its games full of FTP level micro transactions. The difference is that people overlook it in MK is because the core gameplay is engaging, which doesn’t seem to be the case here

[@sharpester7277]

Well, so much for honoring Kevin Conroy.

[@shalindelta7]

The game was already gonna be a live service esque game before he died, it is what it is and he obviously read the script and knew what he was getting into.

[@LPSKYWKR]

​@@shalindelta7yeah well he trusted Rocksteady after he was treated with great respect with the Arkham games, this ain't it

[@shalindelta7]

@@LPSKYWKR this ain't the same Rocksteady, different people at the helm.

[@shadowbyname2802]

It was Warner and DC’s mentality of the past ten years, “our sales are down and people like edgy garbage, so just have all our characters die for the um-teenth time. Arkham Batman and Kevin Conroy who? We need money and we need it now damnit!” I’d be less angered about this if it wasn’t Kevin Conroy’s last performance. They knew what they had, they knew what they were making, and when Kevin Conroy passed they just decided to go ahead with it anyways. Really, they should’ve just cancelled this outright. It would’ve been far more respectful to Kevin Conroy’s memory and everyone else’s time.

[@gumi_twylit2605]

@@shalindelta7 welp, all the respect get flushed down to the toilet 🚽🚽🚽

[@nyyfandan]

It seems like people are afraid to admit the game looks bad just because it's Rocksteady. Let's call a spade a spade. It's very likely this is going to be Avengers 2.0. The writing is on the wall here.

[@to_the_vo1d]

Characters looks good tho

[@reggie9595]

Bro, nobody expected this game to be any good bffr now

[@J64866]

They'll just play it for a couple months then quietly quit it lol.

[@user-x7dc2pq7n]

I wish there were more game journalists who just were honest. No sugarcoating

[@istrumguitars]

What would’ve been cool for the flash fight is to have one player use the environment to stop him from running around while the others attack-and to make him learn from his mistakes so you can’t use the same strategy twice, sort of like the Mr. freeze fight. So maybe, using a construction truck carrying hot tar to glue his feet to the ground, using King Shark to lure him underwater, even knocking over a banana cart to make him slip… that would be kinda humorous. And from the sounds of this, it’d better than what we’ll be eventually getting 😬

[@brianm.595]

I'm shocked this game didn't get canceled. Who asked for another live service game? One that looks terrible at that? It has never looked like a good game.

[@Manjawline]

The game literally looks like Borderlands, Fortnite, Crackdown and Saints Row combined but with DC characters and setting

[@lutsurugi]

but borderlands is fun. like, really really fun. this looks just super boring.

[@SaucyAlfredo]

A tradionally single-player studio making a live service multi-player game has never worked out as far as I know. This is going to be extremely generic and heavily focus on the live service MD not on the fun

[@originalscreenname44]

It's almost as if this exact same thing happened less than 12 months ago to disastrous results.

[@CyborgSelZero]

*stares at Redfall*

[@SaucyAlfredo]

@@originalscreenname44 and yet people still act like it might be good

[@Inquisitor_Jeff]

The nerd in me was always puzzled how the writers thought this group is supposed to take on the entire Justice League when Batman alone has beaten Harley and Deadshot multiple times.

[@billybob7135]

According to Rocksteady, the answer is "GUN'.

[@angel_of_rust]

Sweet Baby: "Fuck your lore. We're doing millenial writing and hecking diversity baby!!!"

[@diestormlie]

Doesn't matter how deeply the writers have actually thought about it. The story must simply be contorted around the base mechanics of the game, as well as its function: Sell MTX.

[@KingKFool-kp9ts]

If there was actually a need in you, you would know that the Suicide Squad is all about impossible odds and that no character in a comic is unkillable

[@sojouner_-1363]

Yeah I feel like this has the same issue as the suicide squad movie with Will Smith, this is mission is more for superheroes not the suicide squad. Why do they always want them to save the world instead of doing a Blackops mission like Assault on Arkham

[@edmundmondo1682]

I will simply enjoy watching the story cutscenes on youtube. It's the only and best way to enjoy this game and you don't even have to give them a dime!! Win win situation with nothing to lose, let others do the grind, I'll only take the fun!

[@businessdawg2]

Dunno how u going to have fun with cut scenes tbh but u do you😂

[@joeyortiz7359]

​@@businessdawg2You don't spend a dime on a trash game lol that's the fun part and if the cut scenes/story sucks you had fun NOT BUYING THE GAME. It's not a hard concept lmaooo

[@hamzahussain7794]

Neat idea! Thanks! I'll just watch the batman cutscenes to see what they do there.

[@benrogencamp258]

It's genuinely so upsetting that this was Kevin Conroy's final performance as Batman. A legitimate lengend of voice acting goes out in a fizzle, makes me really sad.

[@riffhousestudios96]

Arkham Knight was his swan song, change my mind. 🎉

[@tessabakker662]

@@riffhousestudios96 For me, the end will always be Knight.

[@Knightmare-vc8qg]

Kevin deserved better, he was a great actor and a good guy. RIP Kevin.

[@kendonl.taylor5111]

@@Knightmare-vc8qg Rocksteady CAN'T KEEP GETTTING AWAY WITH THIS!!!!

[@carlosfred8673]

I’m gonna go ahead and say this one doesn’t count.

[@0taku912]

Let's be honest the real reason they lifted the NDA was because of all the negative press the past few days and were hoping testers would say "it's not that bad"

[@edgeworth097]

The majority of testers are, though, at least. What I played was genuinely a lot of fun, and the majority of other testers share that opinion

[@TheGravityShifter]

It's a combination of Sweet Baby's involvement, predatory monetization, and boring cookie-cutter gameplay we've all seen before, oh and that fetish where Sony games tend to have characters who don't know when to be quiet... The brutality is justified.

[@jesusisking3722]

Sweet baby inc needs to be talked about more. It's a deep hole of figuring out who funds them

[@BertMagurt]

Sweet baby? That a company?

[@niallreid7664]

What is Sweet Baby?

[@renon1946]

Sweet Baby Inc is a company created in 2018 in order to water down the video game i industry with slop stories, though their website will butter you up with cuter language. Make no mistake, Sweet Baby is here to destroy the writing g and characters of any game they touch.

[@Jza-GZa40k]

@@renon1946 So they are pretty much extremist wokes

[@HJDSimon]

Really feels like a case of the publisher pushing a popular framework that they think is most profitable (which is sadly often the case) onto a recognisable IP, rather than letting the developers decide what type of game it should be. That said, it still doesn't really excuse the fact that the different characters don't feel individually unique to play. Just because it is the same studio, that doesn't mean the same talented employees are the ones making it, it was 8-9 years since Arkham Knight, much of the talent behind that series has probably moved on.

[@AdonanS]

Sounds like they're stuck between a rock and a hard place with the Flash. On one hand, I'm glad to see someone actually making a speedster seem fast and annoying. On the other hand, that looks like hell to flight.

[@TheMustardisbad]

I love how youtubers can come up with better fight ideas in 15 seconds than an entire game studio.

[@Mystipaoniz]

yes, and knowing that, it shows how much respect these studios give to the players. But people still buy. Why would they change their recipe? They do what they do for money. If they have it, why change? It just works!

[@onkarlally]

@@MystipaonizI don’t think people are gonna buy this thankfully.

[@crashzone6600]

They deserve everything coming to them, seeing as they were warned well in advance of what players didnt want. They still went ahead with exactly what people were telling them they didnt want. They were more interested in getting as much money as possible, and because they didnt listen, they are gonna not even get what they want.

[@AkasagiPhan]

Who were “they” that you were referring to? Developers deserved none of this, it was the decision from the out-of-touch executives that caused this.

[@crashzone6600]

@AkasagiPhan see if I had pinned it down to one group, someone would just say "it's not their fault" and simply pass the buck. I think everyone at the company deserves what's coming because everyone was apart of it, so everyone is responsible for the product that is produced. That's what a team does, they succeed or fail as a team. As a developer, you know what kind of product you are producing and you can actually get the fuck out or come up with an exit strategy because you are in a dead end project. I'm not gonna feel sorry for devs even if they aren't the ones making the decisions because at the end of the day, they are the ones producing the product and know exactly how that thing will turn out, even before the people making the decisions. The devs who don't believe in the project should be been reassigned to another project, or gotten out already. Everyone at the company is to blame, and while some hold more responsibility for it, everyone is still guilty for the product that was produced.

[@AkasagiPhan]

@@crashzone6600 you are speaking like either a kid or a person who never work for a company. You think changing your job is that easy? Especially if you have a family to provide for? And with all that layoffs in the industry? Not to mention if you have a personal attachment to your co-workers? With your logic should Kevin Conroy be blamed for voicing Batman as he helped with producing the product too?

[@crashzone6600]

@@AkasagiPhan There are a few caveats, to what I said. If you are under contract, you are exempt, because frankly you have no choice. If the devs are contracted, then they hold no blame. They were doing what they must. Let me ask you then, by your own logic and justification, only officers and high up leadership are responsible for what the nazis did correct? Even the common soldiers arent responsible for what they were doing in concentration camps correct? Or would you like to backtrack? In the case for nazis, I would actually agree with you in that yeah not all nazis were bad, because simply put, soldiers are forced to do what they did, either by draft or gunpoint, and even for the sake of their families. Most voice actors are independent contractors, and arent actually apart of the studio. They arent actual employees so they arent actually apart of the team, or even apart of the company, so they have no blame. It would be like pointing to the plumber and saying is this person responsible, too? Most voice actors have no clue what the project is because they arent actually apart of it. They arent actually a part of the team. Atleast for video games that is. It becomes a little different when it is associated with like a motion picture or an anime, and you are working with a script. Unless they only give you a partial script, with only your lines, then you know exactly what the story you are telling with the script alone.

[@mikev8746]

Yeah, time to learn the hard way. Money lost, jobs cut. Let it sink in. Keep it inside.

[@AegixDrakan]

Harley getting a weird purple magical double jump just feels... So weird. A lot of this just feels like they had a system designed, then just slapped the DC supervillain aesthetic on top of it even though it didn't fit. :(

[@tazman5129]

I feel it would have been more interesting if they separated Metropolis into districts, each controled by a justice league member. In each district, you have to do a series of missions to 1. Find the hero's lair, and 2. Setup a way to rig the final confrontation in your favor so that beating them is actually possible. Doing missions in a district could fill an unseen "danger" meter, and as it goes up, the more likely that hero is to come after you. If RNG combined with the danger meter decides that they come after you, it is them at 100% and they are basically unbeatable. If you trigger them, you have to escape. If they kill your squad, it sets back your progess in that district. You can lower the danger meter by spend8ng time outside of the district or doing missions in other districts. This would incentivise jumping from target to target instead of just focusing one down. It would also help to give that feeling that you sre fighting THE Justice League and that you are always on the back foot.

[@mst3kharris]

The moment you step onto Batman’s territory, it’s night. Even if it’s noon.

[@conspiracypanda1200]

​@@mst3kharrisPerfect! And there should be occasional swarms of bats that fly out of alleyways and sewers when you enter them, even though it's still Metropolis!

[@e2rqey]

that's just a multiplayer far cry game with worse combat and superheros

[@tazman5129]

@@e2rqey I didn't say it was perfect, just more interesting.

[@jonbodhi]

Congratulations on giving this more thought than the developers did (although they probably didn’t want to make this game anyway!)

[@actually-will1606]

They should have just made the superman game they were planning on making. How far rocksteady have fallen.

[@badlandschugsnumber1fan123]

Uh I think it’s too late for that

[@crookim]

Nothing like a good old live service game 😂

[@johnniewolf133]

This isn't Rocksteady's fault at all. WB and David Zaslav are to blame since they're the ones forcing a lot of WB game dev teams to make live services. All he cares about is money, the Devs just want to make a damn video game.

[@SandTiger42]

Agreed. Why does anybody want to play B-rate powerless villains when there could be the option to play the heroes.

[@Darknessof1001hearts]

Blame WB. Rocksteady wanted to do Superman or possibly a Justice League game. WB made them put this shit out.

[@MKB07]

My expectations reached zero when they said it was online and saw the gameplay.

[@DanielMether]

A cool mechanic would be some in game device that made you as fast as the flash but sapped your health as you used it because as a nonspeedster you were tearing yourself apart by moving that fast. Then you would have to carefully choose when to engage him and make those engagements count.

[@adityawidarma3803]

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[@BlazingOwnager]

I know I for one couldn't wait to play with the iconic power sets of these characters. Which is having a jetpack, and using a gun. Right? That's what they are all famous for?

[@gameuniverse5973]

I mean they have no really iconic stuff I can only think of stuff that might make sense to give to them but it be weird Harley:joker gas,mr freeze gun,some sort of item from poison ivy,whip from catwoman,firefly flame thrower and jetpack,and fear gas Captain boomerang:all the stuff that from the crew he in like mirror master mirror King shark:gains Aquaman trident after beating him Dead shoot:I can't think of anything

[@ironboy3245]

@@gameuniverse5973 im fine with deadshot being gun mcgunman, son of gunman, but the others really should have more differentiation

[@conspiracypanda1200]

​@@gameuniverse5973Deadshot could be the area lockdown guy. Throw down shielding, tripwire/laser traps, different ammo types for Deadshot's player thatcan perhaps be distributed to allies and earned based on interaction with special points in the environment and/or engaged enemy types.

[@SuperFlik]

Considering how fast The Flash is supposed to be to begin with, designing a boss battle *against* him feels like it would be an uphill battle to begin with, regardless of what type of gameplay is used

[@hannahw7023]

That's absolutely true but usually when a villain beats Flash in a fight (or at least makes Flash struggle), they're usually A) another speedster, or B) someone who outsmarts Flash. Justice League Doom is a great example. Flash is tricked into equipping a heart-rate monitor. He is then told that if his heart-rate decreases, a bomb will go off in the city. Flash is then forced to keep running until he either finds a solution or his heart explodes. God of War Ragnarok also has a great boss battle against an untouchable foe. Heimdall has the power to foresee attacks, so the player must use a duplicating spear to set up traps in the arena and detonate them when Heimdall isn't paying attention. Or, they can throw the weapon at Heimdall, forcing him to catch it, at which point it can be detonated while he is holding it. So while it definitely takes some creativity to create an encounter against Flash, it can be done without making it feel cheap. Either find a way to nerf his abilities, or outsmart him during the bossfight. I fully believe the staff at Rocksteady are capable of coming up with creative bossfights. But trying to fight Flash with a gun is just conceptually stupid.

[@blushingralseiuwu2222]

Bro, just freeze the floor

[@conspiracypanda1200]

Distractions. Gasses. Sub-zero Temperatures. Enclosed Spaces. Electrical Barriers. Flash can vibrate out of most things but if you put the fight in a severely booby trapped arena and have him made vulnerable only when you trigger certain unique set ups you can justify a more balanced encounter. It'd be like the fight against Mr Freeze but with the guy zipping around at x10000 speed while half your team distracts and the other half set up the next traps to lure Flash into.

[@blushingralseiuwu2222]

@@conspiracypanda1200 bro, just put banana peel everywhere

[@Bred-vz2py]

I mean no offense but if characters like the flash and superman were not so cartoonishly overpowered they would probably have better media especially video games. These characters feel like they were made by that one kid in the playground who changes the rules every time they lose.

[@MyAteSpiders]

When IGN isn't willing to shine the knob, you know there is something wrong

[@stevesmith1383]

I don’t even have any real desire to “kill the Justice league” lol

[@adad87821]

i dont count it as conrys last performance arkham knight is more deserving of that

[@nman551]

Mean either

[@Suirano]

Can't wait for the obligatory " This did not meet expectations" followed by an apology or blaming the community for not buying it.

[@Charleyyy678]

Game companies never learn.

[@megamanmegamanmegamanmegam8725]

What with you deleting that new video of yours yongyea?

[@arcadeportal32]

I think he realized Steam had a good reason to take down both games. I'll be honest I am even surprised it is getting ANY official updates and player count it is getting at all. TF2 at this point is a really old game, especially for a live service. Most of these kinds of games are long discontinued updates, almost fully unsecured & are fully community server maintained at that point. TF2 is even older than the original Xbox 360 COD Modern Warfare by a month or so. TF2 Source 2 Mod was already on indefinite hold due to coding issues....and with Portal 64..... No one wants to risk a mess with the Yakuza that is Nintendo's Legal Team. They would sue a rock if it they even got wind it made a Fan Game or something remotely not made by them using there IP.

[@Haykal.]

Misleading title and I guess the video too (could be wrong), and also because of @arcadeportal32 said.

[@megamanmegamanmegamanmegam8725]

@@Haykal. That can understandable

[@megamanmegamanmegamanmegam8725]

@@arcadeportal32 Yeah true team fortress 2 is too old at this point and it pretty much gives no reason to even play that online game anymore. Since newer games come and take you away from this game and it comes to this in our minds why would you want to play such an old and outdated game? When there are tons of newer games? which I can see why valve decides not give the game newer updates since they would want to move on to something else Which I can agree on what you say though and even I can see how valve wouldn't want to have such a risk with that fan game because of nintendo.

[@arcadeportal32]

@@Haykal. TF2 even added the ability to play 100 player community servers YEARS later including bug fixes. For a game this old it is almost unheard of. It is like Bethesda adding official updates to Oblivion at this point, or what Valve just did the Half-Life 1 which WAS unheard of. They added modern resolution support and everything on the original codebase including FULL Steam Deck support. It even STILL supports OG mods from the late 90s with all the updates. It is very hard to hate on Valve with their very pro-sumer stances. When you have to compare them to the likes of Activision. Edit: I will be honest 100 Player matches in TF2s already small maps like 2-Fort are absolutely bonkers. It feels like you're on the beaches of D-Day or something.

[@skxlter5747]

Hopefully, this will inspire them to go back to basics, and that's a story driven single-player game, like Red Hood. I think the ending for the game will reboot the arkhamverse with flash running back to the past to redo the events of braniacs doing, thus rebooting the timeline and having a new batman to continue the arkhamverse.

[@Slitheringpeanut]

Of course it dowsn't feel like the original Arkham devs. They've all left. Most of the ones that did the real work, the code monkeys NO ONE mentions, they were fired after the FIRST game was done. Same with City. The leadership is also gone now. What did you expect??

[@Daveed2D]

I was curious to how they would do Flash. Putting Flash in the closed beta or any of the justice league boss fights at early access was a bad idea to begin with, it really sets a tone for what to expect when it comes to gameplay and other boss encounters.

[@gihans97]

This is not a surprise but it also sad to see a great game creator went to hell because of a greedy publisher

[@Zathren]

It's another third person looter shooter. It doesn't matter if it's the same team that made the Arkham series. They're not perfect, never have been, people didn't love every choice they made with Knight. The reality is that their fan base didn't want a live service game. So best of luck to them for pulling people away from Fortnite and Warzone I guess.

[@meteor22]

What a complete disrespect this game is going to leave on Kevin Conroy's name. The last thing he was involved in.

[@iaqh]

Can you guys please give it a chance? I aIready pre ordered the deIuxe edition, I can't wait to pIay as HarIey in her classic suit, I need this game to perform good since I already bought it so please give it a chance.

[@thedarktyrant]

Yeah, it's not like he accepted the role. Kevin was very selective about what he did. He chose to come back for this game because he saw something in it. I don't see it as disrespect, he took the role himself.

[@TanThighsYum]

@@iaqh You are the problem and why these companies keep releasing garbage. Shame on you for pre ordering and giving them money before the game is even released. What is wrong with you?

[@renzbolado153]

@@iaqh perish

[@kenroyforrester156]

​@@iaqh Why did you even do that?

[@Astaticembrace]

The fact that characters feeling too similar and not like their character should being one of the main fears and complaints after the reveal still hasn't been fixed is proof how hard it is to turn a video game around when it's been designed from the ground up (or close) for a live service model is a BAD IDEA

[@reyntime1950]

'Buying' a digital version of a WB product through Sony? What could possibly go wrong?

[@noahortega1994]

The studio might be called Rocksteady but it probably isn’t anymore. It’s the people that make the studio and a lot of developers, leadership, and talent left.

[@Xfushion2]

How could have guess that making a game that people didn't want would lead to poor interest?

[@mikev8746]

Yeah weird huh how most people dont spend their money and time recklessly to allign with the wet dream of investors and CEO’s 😂

[@asteria9963]

Chasing trends is a sign of incompetence. This is why the market oversaturates and terms like "live service" turn into red flags. I won't even think about giving this game a fair shake, simply because I am sick and tired of live services. I gain nothing from it. Do you really think I will return to an old game several months later, after all the hype has died down and I am completely out of it? Yeah, right... As if I didn't have a thousand other games I could play instead. The freaking egos of these companies, I swear...

[@skte2die]

Imagine what years of this development could’ve done for a single-player focused game….

[@rjmiggins5296]

It's between them losing creativity & corporate 🤷🏿

[@gigabilly1160]

Superhero genre killed itself in every possible media

[@RokushoTheRavager]

Everyone should just go play X-Men Origins: Wolverine, Spider-Man, The Arkham Trilogy, inFAMOUS 2, [Prototype 2], Marvel vs. Capcom 3 Ultimate, & The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction, etc. if they really need that superhero video game fix.

[@JwhateverJ]

I haven't watched or played anything in the genre for a decade. I have no idea who is eating that shit up. It's ruined the entire entertainment industry.

[@kyoshifrostwolf]

I am legitimately looking forward to watching this game crash and burn. The sheer hubris on display from WB is hilarious. They are already planning at least up to four seasons, for a game that they do not know if it will be successful or not.

[@nathank2289]

The real crime is that this is Kevin Conroy's last in-person Batman performance. RIP

[@jakepurmals3902]

The release date was the final nail in this game's coffin for me. It drops the same day as Persona 3 Reload so I know which game I'm getting. With FF7 Rebirth dropping later in the month my dance card is full. Tough luck Cucksteady, see you in the bargain bin XD

[@mikev8746]

Cucksteady 😂😂😂😂 WB is about to feel the harsh lesson called value and consumer interest. Getting whacked between Persona 3 Remake and Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth. Ooooof

[@hero_bat8823]

Weirdo

[@nsreturn1365]

i snacked all batman games and that new trash justice game, on humble bundle for 10€, i would never pay for, especially when all i wanted where the arkham games.

[@thelastbro1710]

I really hate that this is the last thing that kavin conroy worked on

[@chanep312]

"Will it killed justice league (literally) or the whole dc universe all together (literally) find out on 'suicide squad'"

[@stevegomez232]

I played the beta test and honestly it was fun but I did come to realize that it is very average and I felt like for a full length game it would be very repetitive. Also its definitely a game designed around multiplayer and I find it hard to think it would be fun to play-through solo.

[@FightingGameDemon]

Who’s prepped to watch all the cutscenes for free online 🍿

[@maugwei]

Guys, WTF was actually looking forward to this game anyways? I had ZERO intention of playing this game at all (one real criticism, why does Harlequin look soo hideous!!?). My eyes truly glazed over when it was shown at any game event or showcase, I intentionally fast forwarded it when ever I could. WHO CARES! Lets talk about how excited we are for Granblue Fantasy Relink and Dragons Dogma II Hell yea!!

[@hispanicguy8028]

The fact that this is Kevin conroys last performance or how we could’ve gotten a Superman game over this. I can’t even, man

[@thejman5683]

Poor Kevin Conroy. I just got into Batman myself, Hell, I'm even doing a let's play of Batman Arkham Asylum in a few days. It breaks my heart that Kevin's Talent in this "Game" Will be the last time his voice will be heard

[@riffhousestudios96]

Arkham Knight was his swan song, change my mind. 🎉

[@longlivethesheet4561]

“There’s been praise for the story…” Based on the story leaks, that sentiment won’t last long

[@Cr0wsMurd3r]

One great disconnect I have with the Suicide Squad as a whole is that they are for the most part not "super", aside from the Sharkman. Sure they may get some gadgets that power them up or some shit like that. But the Justice League are almost god-like in their power, aside from Batman that is. An evil Flash would basically insta-kill just about anyone... He could rip out the heart of anyone in the Suicide Squad ten times faster than they can blink. And then we have Superman, one of the few that even has a chance vs the Flash (and even that is out if the Flash can get a little green rock), and an evil Supes at that... Sure this is mostly ultimate nerd reasons for why the game makes no sense at a foundational level. Then we get all the shit about it being a live-service, and probably stuffed to the brim with greed and mediocrity.

[@themchannel853]

If after all this backlash they're still stubborn on the idea it'll be a success, then they deserve to fail.

[@Captain.AmericaV1]

Preview events are there to get people hyped by witnessing a good game, but seems it had to opposite effect. Hard pass for me. I'm waiting for Dragons. Dogma two, and will get that when it's a few months in when bugs are ironed out.

[@Tengu2k10]

If mainstream jurnos say it's mildy bad, then it must be 10x worse

[@ItsOnlyGenjutsu]

For a fight like The Flash. You could have it where when he hits you via "flashing" and it doesn't send you flying. But, rather connects with a hit to the face (with your characters head getting knocked full-body like in a direction) causing a stagger, and so it doesn't seem like the same move. One stagger could be your character reacting to a face shot like I mentioned, then another being a blow to the chest hunching you over while popping into the air a bit(VA gasping here lol), and one knocking you to a knee indicating a leg or knee shot etc. It would still be him just flashing through you but you would know by your character's reaction. This would make it less frustrating and feeling like you are out of control of the situation/getting lost. But, there are some mixed in that are "cutscene"-like where it shows a connecting hit momentarily. Now, if you have done enough damage to him before that special hit connects, it gives you a chance to react or something... triggering a "downed state" or damage that is significant. This could introduce a pattern players have to figure out. Or, you have to have a friendly near you who does the reaction etc. That way it's not like "Flash took a knee, everyone get him during this clearly given scenario" it would feel like you guys did something to earn that opportunity. Hopefully, what I have in mind got through in these text. You would have to be on guard to react anytime you get hit and you wouldn't know if you reached damage threshold. This way your teamates can flame you when you fuck up the reaction input or miss it entirely lmao.

[@williamg3165]

Game has been a dumpster fire from Day 1 and I’m loving it! I’m praying for a mega flop!

[@JoystickJournalYT]

Man, I really REALLY wanted this game to be good. The idea of flying around with my friends in a big city is such an easy home run. GTA/Read Dead Online don't even have to have things to do in them, just be a vibrant open world for my friends and I to make our own fun. Shame to see them drop the ball because money > fun.

[@icarus372]

Live service should be illegal. Personally i cant think of a single game that was a live service blockbuster. Game gets abandoned after 3 months on average😂, but because its live service all the devs need to do is a add a single weapon/Skin/map and their job is done.

[@Xfushion2]

Fortnite, League of Legends, World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy 14. I don't like any live service game, but the few that manage to retain an audience do make stupid amounts of money.

[@oliverwallace-hartley2867]

destiny 2 is still pretty big

[@luvenpelagius1072]

Live service games can work, but not for single player (and coop) games. This should've been a full blown coop game based on story and character development. Each character should've had their own move set and skills instead of the generic shooting and movement that all feels the same. Imagine Arkham City where 4 friends can play as Batman, Robin, Catwoman and Batgirl without sacrificing the gameplay or story elements. They really could've done that here, but corporate greed won again.

[@MrDeflador]

Path of Exile, vermintide 2, lol, dota 2 ... There are a Lot of success ones that still have a Lot of players

[@aerostrafe1075]

I am still trying to figure out how someone thought a game based around you killing your super heroes would sell well. Why would I want to buy a game where I kill batman, superman, or the flash unless I was just some edgy little shit?

[@littleaussierippa]

It's such a shame that this more -than-likely train wreck was Kevin Conroy's final performance as Batman.

[@Kevin-fy9gn]

rocksteady will now be known as the creators of the suicide game instead of the arkham games...

[@DenickoGames]

smells like an anthem situation

[@thrashwerk]

When even IGN doesn't feel that good about your game you need to rethink everything that you're doing. Have most of the people that worked on Arkham games left Rocksteady? Because a studio name means nothing if most of the people that made it's past achievements are no longer there.

[@Sora2314]

It really comes down to how they should’ve just made it a story-focused game. That’s Rocksteady’s specialty. And they saw how Avengers did, what made them think this would be any different? Shameful

[@Iloverimjobs]

I’m really hoping it’ll be an okay game at the very least.

[@chadgunner4403]

It's so over

[@SherwinCeleste-cj7ng]

It'll be fine, as long as it will find it's target audience(the looter shooter audience, not the arkham and single player game fans) and there's the promised constant updates that will happen. They just need to market it to those people rather than try hard to win over their arkham fanbase.

[@Mandalor10]

How hard would it have been to do a suicide squad game with Arkham combat? Between Rocksteady and WB Montreal, what is it about the Batman Arkham games that they hate so much?

[@ryuman757]

Every company thinks they can just make "their Fortnite" where it'll simply funnel them money for years on end. Very sad to see.

[@Ozku9]

You know what else is brutal? The performance of the new english dub of Kiryu.

[@Crovon1]

The previews are just catching up with what the gaming world thought when this was first announced.... "NO THANKS!"

[@shadowflar3]

The Flash boss fight is just unimaginative design, whoever made that does not understand what makes games fun to play. And they decided to push that to playtesters and wanted to showcase it in their gameplay material as if they are proud of that. How? I'm quite shocked if they decide to leave it like that despite all the feedback. Maybe it will happen before the 2-hour mark so whoever bought the game can still file a refund?

[@happytimes8623]

im pretty sure sweet baby inc put their hands on this product also so keep that in mind

[@kevingame3198]

I'm aware of that too

[@redcobra6016]

Yup, on their website it says they worked on “Scriptwriting(Banter, Cut Scenes, Barks, Audio Logs, etc.)” So yeah.

[@happytimes8623]

@@redcobra6016 its dead in the water then

[@zaleost]

I suspect part of the reason why these media outlets are more willing to criticise the game, despite it being a big budget AAA game could be that they simply know that the public sentiment towards the game is already pretty negative. So it would look very odd or even suspicious if they gave it a glowing pass and told everyone to buy it, especially since players are already very sceptical of the reviews they put out.

[@C-M-E]

After all the Metropolis hints in the last Arkham game, this could and should have been a long-awaited Superman game. But no, of course not...

[@HatCHeTHaZ]

WB Games are the ones we should be blaming for this, not rocksteady. They should have made something similar to guardians of the galaxy

[@baki484]

Not this time. Rocksteady never had plans to continue batman or superheroes after knight. They were making an original IP multi-player shooter from the get go it seems.

[@shadowdragon_x7919]

Their making these (Sorry, So-Called) AAA games and charging 69.99 to 99.99 that aren't even worth 39.99... just about every game that comes out now is just money grabs... what happened to the creativity in making games... every year it's the same games.. SAME COD... SAME BATTLEFIELD... SAME MK... They need to come outta their comfort zone (Like how dark souls did and made elden ring) SAME game, but they took it to a totally different level... SAME thing with the last two god of war games totally different from the first 3...

[@1001pierre]

This. I always have to laugh, when I see a 70$ game like starfield next to a 60$ game like Baldurs Gate 3 next to each other on the steam page.

[@XiLock_Alotx]

Can we all take a moment here, and realize that this is more than likely not rocksteady‘s choice. Everything here screams higher ups, decisions

[@nyanko2077]

"A live service looter shooter", this is where I knew this game is not for me lol

[@GruffGames]

Had a bad feeling the second one of the best single player action/adventure devs announced they were making a co-op live service game. Foolish from the start.

[@chadgunner4403]

Oh no who could've seen this coming! Anyways...

[@corvega_joe]

All they had to do was give us a immediate follow up to Arkham Knight. Let us play as Nightwing or Robin or Red Hood and they have to work to find out who is dressing as Batman and using fear toxin in criminals.

[@hurtboychulo7371]

You'd think with all the negativity the gaming industry would change but ig not

[@OmegaIL]

Margot Robbie showed her body once years ago and it still carries the character, fucking amazing.

[@d3athstrok317]

Literally the Suicide squad game should’ve been like a crazy over the top Payday 2 game with too many DC mods. And instead of not alerting guards, you’re trying to not alert the heroes, who would be super difficult to take on unless you prepared properly or something.

[@TheUltimateHacker007]

That requires too much hard work and creativity. Today's devs aren't what they were back in the day. Gotta look at indie or AA games for that passion

[@PrsnmanGaming]

With all its issues aside: at least Marvel's Avengers' characters had unique movesets that felt appropriate for each specific character. Yeah, some of the DLC characters had shared moves, but they felt appropriate for them (i.e Winter Soldier sharing moves with Black Widdow). At least they didn't inexplicably give Hulk an assault rifle 🤷‍♂️

[@bramv7174]

I got burned once because of a live service never again, especially not this one. All those years of development just wasted for a trend chasing DOA game.

[@Cron04]

I played the closed alpha test and honestly..? I enjoyed myself a lot. The movement is what really drew me in. AND I will admit the melee filling your shield is really satisfying for me.

[@K2kGaming13]

But they don't move like that

[@Pointman11111]

​@@K2kGaming13 But Batman moves like that in the comics Jumping 15 ft between enemies to KO them?

[@K2kGaming13]

@@Pointman11111 yeah batman does but not these characters

[@Pointman11111]

@@K2kGaming13 stop the BS haha

[@redohealer2]

I'm waiting to see more of Greta Thunberg's character come release.

[@SandTiger42]

I'd rather play her than the B-rate villains they have in game.

[@takkun169]

It's interesting that this game seems to have the same exact issues as Sqeenix's Avengers game. Boring, sloppy and samey combat, as well as visuals that are so loud and noisy that it is genuinely unpleasant to look at. I really like the way the characters look, particularly Harley's face, but everything else is pug fugly.