Suing Valve Over a VAC Ban: What the Jamppi Lawsuit REALLY Says

[@THEWILLY417]

If he was already a pro and there was suspicion that he cheated in Minor qualifiers etc. sure give him a lifetime ban but for an alt account that probably hacked in MM and that's vaguely connected to him by his parents CC card? That's streching the term cheater a lot. Also Valve forces you to buy a new account but then does not let you play because of an old account? How does that make any sense, and again he wasn't even in FPL when this account got banned.

[@swattoolblaastoose1761]

The dude had bought an account which then hacked. The rules say he can never play in a major. Sucks that a friends decision to hack would cost him so much but you can’t argue. If they don’t take a 100% hard line with known cheating the rate of hacking will skyrocket at every level of play

[@Wow55579]

Swat tool Blaastoose There’s hard line then there is commons sense, a alt account he didn’t cheat on when he was 14? Before his pro career? What a joke. Lots of pros must have vac banned alt accounts from years ago

[@HaloNeInTheDark27]

@@swattoolblaastoose1761 u think doing this to him help against cheaters? LOL

[@CGoody564]

It isn't vaguely connected to him through his parents credit card; it's directly connected to him through his parents credit card. Even his claims reinforce this. Do you not know what vaguely means?

[@CGoody564]

@@Wow55579 the law knows no common sense

[@mayankbudhwani3277]

"We have a zero tolerance policy against cheaters".. that cracks me up

[@xxbr0txxx529]

Johnny Barron and? what should they do? hardware ban you? i dont even know if thats legal

[@MultiFuckme22]

@Johnny Barron Its in a legal greyzone. Tbh any game ban is in a Greyzone, since you paid for a product and a permanent ban makes it so that you didnt get your product. There have been plenty of such legal cases

[@nahu4870]

"we have a zero tolerance policy against cheaters" yet our anticheat only scans for sigs, rarely detects hooks, doesn't have any proper checks, and it can be bypassed by almost any c+per skid

[@markvincentcocjin]

What cracks me up is that if you cheat and got VAC banned and make another account, you can get away with it. Until you one-in-a-million turn pro and Valve finds your history. That cracks Valve up. Cracks me up too.

[@thme6413]

@Johnny Barron anyone can bypass hardware ban, every possible ban is bypassable with effort.

[@nikolamilicevic5811]

Valve: zero tolerance to cheaters Also Valve: csgo free to play

[@StrajaStra]

@TSA So you see a video on youtube and you're suddenly full of expirence?

[@SuchanOriginal]

Csgo free to play is better

[@diemyfriend]

@@StrajaStra rootkits aren't that hard to understand, its pretty simple what they refer to

[@kitfisto2347]

Nikola Milicevic lol is free to play and doesnt have cheater issues

[@kokkelikissa]

? You’re speaking the truth man, i play league aswell and have never been against a scripter

[@IgKravenchenko]

CS GO: we have zero tolerance to hackers also CS GO: we know that every match is swarmed with hackers so we're making it free to play

[@codykeane6107]

There is zero reason for you to not have prime/high trust factor unless you've been caught cheating before or are completely toxic/smurfing, maybe look at your own behavior because I haven't ran into a cheater in genuinely at least 2 years.

[@davidkoller9160]

cody keane never cheated, 4k hours, 2400 elo on faceit and i can't play mm normally because my trust factor is red. The only reason it's red is because i got reported often. Maybe u should think about wtf ur writing instead of generalizing that much

[@dylanrussell4158]

"We have zer tolerance for cheaters" Meanwhile in MG-LEM Matchmaking....

[@mobbdeep615]

who cheats in mg lol

[@Kuneho]

Nova 4 is a red zone

[@LS5D]

@@sedystic1032 that is so bullshit. I play in supreme myself and I would say that in maybe 10 games you get one cheater. People are good. Some of them have 8k hours in those ranks. Cheaters arent that common. People just suck and look for excuses.

[@mememts]

@@LS5D cheaters are that common. i just stopped because of the cheater problem. out of maybe 100 games i played since november/december i got matched against atleast 20 cheaters.

[@AtaraxyVAL]

@@LS5D if you have good trust factor you're good to go, if you've been slightly toxic, you will meet cheaters in every single global game. I'm supreme rn, my last game contained 3 spinbotters (not joking or lying) and 2 blatant aimbotters, trust factor makes a big difference

[@me-tf9pn]

Does anyone actually have proof that he didn’t actually cheat and his friend did? Because without that I don’t see Valve doing anything sadly

[@nitthewizard6991]

ChangedName here’s a watermelon 🍉

[@Etherion195]

I guess so, but also valve has to prove that someone cheated on that account, right? Other than that, the entire story doesn't make any sense. You can buy and gift games to other steam accounts. So the "friend" just had to make a steam account and install the gifted game, then jamppi wouldn't even be associated with anything. Nontheless, steams regulations are utter bullshit in regards to VAC bans. You can't even use all features of a game as a REGULAR player (i think in csgo it was the broadcast function or something like that), if you have a VAC ban, NO MATTER how old it is. So you get access blocked to some features for a thing that might or might not have done 10, 15, 20 years ago, which is absolutely ridiculous. I mean, what the hell, even MURDERERS get condonation at some point, yet cheating is a grave sin somehow.

[@thekevae1127]

@@Etherion195 that one is pretty easy for them i guess... but for someone who bought an account to proof he wasnt using it is way harder to proof

[@timbraska6750]

@@Etherion195 The account that the cheating happened is associated with Jamppi. That's more than enough prove to ban him. When he can't prove it wasn't him that cheated I can only say: Okay bye.

[@Tinskap]

Doesn't seem like there's any solid proof that would prove his innocense if he really didn't do it and because of that it's hard for me to see valve letting this go. Most likely the story is true and it was his friend that cheated but since he can't prove that it doesn't matter. Sucks to be Jamppi

[@xinyinkuang1447]

That’s also what happened to QZ a Chinese player. He got banned because he shared a account with a korean guy because before china can’t buy the game on steam and the korean dude got the account banned so valve banned him from playing.

[@crysisbai]

now he became the biggest csgo streamer/entertainer in China, at least

[@carlbea]

who?

[@chupasaurus]

Morale of both stories: use gifts, not accs.

[@xinyinkuang1447]

Shaemin85 QZ he play with tyloo back in the days.

[@carlbea]

@@xinyinkuang1447 what happen to him now does he still play competitively?

[@pkpckls]

Those shelves scream "This is how my shelves always looked before I started working from home, what do you mean?"

[@mlalbaitero]

There are some people who do that

[@madmartigan4429]

He explained in one of the first videos after they went into self-isolation/quarantine that originally he had the bookshelves on two different sides of the room but he put them together to have a nice backdrop for videos.

[@leonid7332]

Bro, he explained this whole thing in Finnish in his stream a couple days back. What he said was that suing Valve and going to court was never an option, the suing Valve part is to get their attention, to talk to them directly. After many failed attempts, this is the last attempt to get their attention. the video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKvPfoR5g9aWf5I

[@adityarawat8193]

@momo71 Is this true? Any clips of his stream where he specifically says what you claim?

[@leonid7332]

Aditya Rawat Well if u understand finnish i can link it to you

[@leonid7332]

@Aditya Rawat

[@leonid7332]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKvPfoR5g9aWf5I

[@ICEMANZIDANE]

Tbh, the sentence „i gave my account to a friend and he cheated“ we heard that 1000 times on the internet. It was a lie in almost all cases and in fact, in famous cases we even witnessed that the player who once said „my friend was it“ later admitted it was him who cheated. Seriously, as long as he doesnt have proof, he should simply stop trying its hilarious

[@OnBrandRP]

So he gave his alternate account to his friend for money, his friend hacked to win a 1v1. So Jamppi broke steams tos by selling a account he owned?

[@kaplislemesis4789]

gave and sold are 2 very different things.

[@MartinLuna98]

@@kaplislemesis4789 He gave him the account in exchange for money. I believe the technical term for that is called "selling".

[@RizzyWow]

EU regulations allow recycling of licenses. As long as you're not stealing or making duplications he's 100% entiteld to whatever he wants with the license.

[@TheRealDr.Mabuse]

@@MartinLuna98 Technically selling is a business transaction with an incentive to make money, where some sort of profit is involved. Acting proxy for friend with funds for a short time of period is to be considered as a lendig as the money practically are being borrowed. Specially if the item never been used by the buyer.

[@MartinLuna98]

@@TheRealDr.Mabuse No it's not. The definition of selling is literally "to give or hand over something in exchange for money". You don't need to make a profit on it for it to count as a sale. If I sell a car I bought from a dealer, I won't get the same amount I paid at the dealer. That doesn't mean I haven't made a sale.

[@Wow55579]

The same zero tolerance policy which invites you to make another account and play the game on once banned?

[@Terision]

+1 lmao

[@makadoz]

exactly valve makes no sense

[@Methamphetamineist]

bro like wtf, like why would they not make money on dumb hackers? take the cash and never let them play in pro league. That is pretty legit. Fk hackers

[@EvilLaughter16]

In that sence we should not ban any cheaters because it prevents them from playing again

[@Finlandlion]

Exactly, they would have option to ban specific ip, motherboard, phone number or credit card (I know you can go around these), but they dont because of MONEY MONEY MONEYYY!!!!

[@TheBoredPersons]

Lets not all forget when VAC was spewing false positives for over 4 years to people having dual gpu configs of different generations, but that casually got snuffed from forums and those accounts all got unbanned mid 2019 after being abandoned such as my first cs:go acc. 🙄 Shocking.

[@jkl3937]

That wasnt a false positive though in that case teh ban would have been revoked

[@TheBoredPersons]

@@jkl3937 how is that not a false positive it registered a second display run by a seperate gpu as a fucking cheat lmao. They revoked all the bans years later when the bitching was enough. I had 700 dollars in skins on that account that i recently just got back 2 years after a ban because i had a second GPU for workstation related work running a separate display and because it was running it registered as some form of cheat. Why idk but i'm just glad i got my account back, but fuck valves shitty anti cheat lmao. So many better anti cheats exist.

[@fingmoron]

@@TheBoredPersons I got a vac on my oldest account for cod literally like ten years ago for joining a modded lobby (tons of bans were handed out due to this). I remember messaging steam a bunch at the time as I did nothing wrong and it made me look fishy on other games (got banned on a bunch of cs1.6 and gmod community servers n shit) long story short I abandoned that account and I'm pretty sure it still has a ban, actually fucking aids I had quite a few games on that account too. Valves support are dreadful.

[@celestialcolosseum]

@@fingmoron I heard valve removed those false positive modded lobby cod bans and gifted some games to make up for it too. If you haven't checked out that account in a while, you might want to check it again. The ban may be removed.

[@breckr1121]

@@TheBoredPersons lmao ur fault you spent 700$ on a video game.

[@MKVD]

Screenshot at 1:30 leaks peoples social security numbers, you should fix that quick.

[@Im-the-greatest]

Already wrote it down

[@wesperkins290]

Big oof, is that why it went private?

[@Lawbase]

Lawsuit against the channel will be the next video

[@wesperkins290]

@@Lawbase if they showed ssn then yea

[@jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjja]

Haze The Space Commie LOL

[@jvisscher]

Forsaken: "I never put those exe file on my desktop"

[@duck8280]

I don't know the whole story, but can we just say valve takes this way too seriously for having a cheater infested game.

[@abh5729]

Seriously. I have to pay a freaking monthly fee for ESEA because Valve is so bad at dealing with cheaters. They don't care enough to deal with cheating more seriously, but they can't even let some kid fulfill the dream of going pro? I hope Valorant is actually good enough that Valve has to rethink how they manage CSGO.

[@duck8280]

@@abh5729 My thoughts exactly!

[@nopeyep2542]

@@abh5729 I actually got banned due to Overwatch basicly for no reason. So yeah, fuck cs

[@Rayftw72]

Abh SERIOUSLY like how was I still getting in hacker lobbies in supreme with high trust factor, taking a break for now and moving to wz, valve need to fix up

[@evan129]

@@nopeyep2542 i was too and I just spam valve and they unban me, one prefire on MM and you get reported and overwatchers say "its wh for sure "

[@panfuncio8016]

Adam Sandler with a mustache hehe

[@endthewhat8294]

Unsee... Unseeeeeeeeeee

[@ripjjjsphrbggsk6292]

whyyy, now we cant unsee until he cut those stache

[@nattobaby]

more like that guy from arrested development

[@martinyzfr]

Im gonna sue you if you wont delete this comnent

[@qi5017]

WAHAHAHAHAHA ROFLMAO

[@doriii7301]

Well he is lucky that valorant is coming out this year. Swag as an example didn’t had the chance back in the days.

[@tim2307]

Brax got signed to T1 as Valorant pro player and fps manager

[@doriii7301]

resquelkr I know but he had to play t2 CS:GO for years. I hope jamppi‘s Talent won’t be wasted like that

[@Ket0cs]

there is a big difference between cheating in young age and matchfixing as a professional player (even tho brax was young). in my opinion vac bans shouldnt be treated like that, i mean yeah... they wanna make a statement to all their players, but even players like n0things have stated, that they cheated before. alot of players have in their life. i would even understand if you would treat it like that if you play in any league or ladder system. But for real, you cant call valves shit 64 tick matchmaking nearly a good system.

[@ziriware9798]

swag did but he fucked up big time lol

[@themachiavelli884]

But brax was banned for other reason not cheating.

[@connor3784]

#1: Olofboost.

[@DJ-tw9ty]

Goddamn it not now Olof! Hahaha

[@Ijustlost1]

You mean he should be banned for the boost on overpass!?

[@Masheen]

skOsH They were consistent. You probably never watched nor played csgo back when the match happened so I don’t blame you. In the quarter finals of Dreamhack winter 2014 both LDLC and Fnatic were using a so called “pixel boost”, which btw wasn’t against the rules at the time. Despite both of the teams using pixel boosts Fnatic were the ones to get backlash because their boost was better. Valve decided to replay the match however Fnatic forfeited. So in conclusion, nobody broke any tournament rules. Both the teams did the same thing only Fnatic did it better.

[@jkl3937]

@skOsH nope , he is making fun of the score who has the olofboost in so many different vids

[@Masheen]

Faranox What you’re saying is incorrect and this has been debunked many times. Yes, what you’re talking about was the written rule that they were accused of breaking. However they never glitched any textures. You can simply go watch a replay of the match and see that they are boosting over a wall, not looking through bugged textures. I don’t even know why you brought this up. What they did was in no way against tournament rules it was just viewed as unfair.

[@infinitejaze2402]

6:25 I'm pretty sure we can't enjoy csgo competitive matchmakings anymore since the "VAC" is supposedly gnna ban all cheaters and yet they don't do that. Even jampi which didn't even cheat. Bruhhhh

[@Tewi_Inaba]

truth be told, I've been cheating on an alt for many a month, still not VAC banned. But this guy gets banned from tournaments from something that he may or may not of done several years ago. That makes me mad.

[@dj7oya]

I've had a VAC ban a year and a half ago, I guess. No clues why. Never cheated, I suck at the game. Always a silver. I sent them a complaint, they sent me a sorry message and told me they would cancel the ban. Still banned to this date. Valve sucks.

[@paunopauno1225]

On 1.30 u have Jamppis like invormation like "finnish person id" shown that can be used many thins it should be blurred cuz its private information Edit: Social security number and they fixed it

[@CGoody564]

It is not private information; it is public information. Your name is not private... It's literally what you are referred to by in public for most people. Nothing about it is private.

[@FataIAnoxia]

@@CGoody564 he meant social security number, And that is NOT public information

[@brycedaugherty9211]

@@pzzz1270 there's a social security number? I didn't see one. Only public info

[@chalermlab8925]

@@brycedaugherty9211 yeah. didn't see anything

[@Shawn-tp9bu]

@@CGoody564 Moron

[@Heibe]

I feel like the mistakes made when you are 14 really shouldn't impact you for the rest of your life. Account sharing or cheating.

[@BmrGould]

Exactly. They are punishing an offense that a minor (may have) committed with a life-time punishment.

[@mrmidnight32]

Rest of his life? It’s 4 years later.... You act like he’s 60 and still paying for it 😂

[@boneo9552]

I think otherwise, you cheat you get a ban, killing someone being 14 is still killing someone.

[@reznov3942]

Really? 14 year olds can't identify cheating? Some 14 year old sees a non-goalie pick up the ball with their hands and can't tell that that is cheating? Or downloading aimbots? I find that hard to believe. The difference here is that Jamppi never cheated. It's not his fault his friend downloaded cheats on his own. It's not his mistake that he genoursly gifted his friend a game.

[@seanpyle3752]

@@mrmidnight32 Does it matter how long it's been? It will be for the rest of his life.

[@xf667]

Well i mean, if he can play really well, does it matter? Not to mention the fact that this VAC ban is 4 years ago almost 5 years, forsaken got ban for 5 years using cheats in a tournament, i think it is fair for jamppi to play still

[@4zzz4]

forsaken did not get vac banned he only got an esl ban thats 5 years. he can still play any other tournaments if he wants to

[@blipblop5757]

@@4zzz4 He is VAC banned as well.

[@varunvaid7858]

@@blipblop5757 he was not vac banned he was caught using cheats vac ban is different

[@alexarbor4917]

this situation is the real world equivalent of your friend cheating off your homework in highschool while you use the bathroom, unaware of them doing so. they get caught and the teacher implicates you in it. Instead of listening to you or having an appropriate measure taken such as losing a letter grade for the course (as the teacher cannot readily prove that you are telling the truth), you get permanently blacklisted from every big name, reputable college/university (assuming you wanted to go). Jamppi's situation speaks to the growing problem in esports: there is this strange pattern that accountability is often a permanent punishment. This wouldn't really be much a problem if the following conditions were satisfied: 1. The party/parties involved fully understand the ramifications of their actions and are mature enough to readily understand the impact their decisions have on their futures and have the wisdom to think things through 2. The actions committed would have permanently impacted the other players if not discovered (For example, cheaters in tournaments winning money that truthfully would've been won by someone else had it not been revealed such as forsaken cheating at a CSGO major, not losing an online public match to someone aimhacking), or are so extreme/egregious that a lifetime ban is warranted (Former Boston Uprising Mouffin's situation of sexually harassing and preying on underage girls, according to KhaleesiBB). 3. The intent by said party/parties was thoroughly malicious. It's not necessarily that Jamppi shouldn't be held accountable. He should understand that you really should not account share regardless of how close you are with your friends as it will be your name on whatever actions they take with it. But is that something most people would really think about and understand at the age of 14, when all you want to do is have fun with your friends? No. Most players are worrying about having their items stolen or traded away when account sharing at that age. Does that warrant a lifetime ban from your aspiring professional career because your friend cheated with it? No. It's the same with FaZe Jarvis being permabanned for a silly content video about cheating through demonstration. It's the same problem with players being locked into these often predatory contracts at ages of 14, 15, 16, 17 that heavily affect and restrict their future, but goes unnoticed and not-fully-understood in the heat of the moment of wanting to go pro (FaZe Tfue). It's the same with there now being upward of a billion dollars in an industry where the majority of the professional playerbase is under 25 (for example, League of Legends avg age rose from 20.94 in 2014 to 22.45 last year according to Riot Games). There is clearly a disconnect between the maturity and wisdom of game developers, company heads, org leaders, etc *who are mature adults* and the youthful playerbase that wants to go pro in their games and this industry. Players should be held accountable, but perhaps this industry needs to really rework what accountability looks like as many of the lifetime bans that we're seeing just feel wrong and somewhat worse than not punishing the players at all. Perhaps there needs to be more resources for young players/gamers to help transition them into understanding how to think about the long term effects of their actions so that they really understand that contract they're about to sign or that video they're about to make or that bad decision they're going to make by using cheats. Perhaps companies like Valve/Epic Games need to reanalyze their policies and stop handing out often draconian punishments to players that make mistakes because of youth and naivety, and save them instead for the players who intentionally cheat at actual major tournaments such as Forsaken at a CSGO Major or XXiF/Ronaldo during Fortnite World Cup (if those players should receive lifetime bans at all). Perhaps companies should really start paying attention to the context in which crimes-against-their-code-of-conduct occur and ask if the player satisfied the three above conditions (which are by no means an end all be all) to warrant a lifetime ban. Perhaps there should be a three-strikes-you're out system. I'm not against punishing cheating. I feel that cheating is a scourge in esports and instantly ruins games and there should be a punishment for those that do it. But I do not think a "No-Tolerance, Lifetime Ban" approach to cheating without really hearing and analyzing the context in these cases is appropriate/the right answer, especially when it comes to esports' titles and the typical age group in question.

[@aryanpilley1919]

one question: WHERE IS THE "FRIEND"?

[@bobbyknuckles6380]

In the 40 page lawsuit

[@lonedemon]

He lives in Canada. You wouldn't know him.

[@HerbaceousM8]

Clare

[@robf4512]

send me money and i'll be the "friend" that takes the blame for almost anything

[@jmsiapno]

i dont think valve allows transfering of accounts or selling accounts in the first place. so that lawsuit is a no go if valve actually decides to defend it.

[@Karppaguy]

That's irrelevant in the EU, as digital ownership can be transferred in the EU. Just because they don't allow something doesn't mean it's not legal in different countries.

[@augustocezargerber3185]

But that would not count as a ban, is another punishment. Something like, he sold something robbed, did not robbed it actually

[@jmsiapno]

​@@Karppaguy That argument can go both ways, just because its ok in EU dsnt mean its ok in usa. Valve dsnt allow selling/transferring of accounts per TOS (to which he agreed to), that is why there is a gifting option in the first place. hes story dsnt add up, and as far as i know, he isnt banned from playing in tournaments. just from Valve events. (if its your event- u get to make the rules)

[@ikkas00]

@@jmsiapno Well it doesnt matter what the US regulations are if the EU courts can enforce EU consumer protection laws. The lawsuit is in an EU court so EU laws apply.

[@jamrah8713]

Jmikerz yeah but then he’s essentially fucked because no org would want to pick him up except some online teams

[@jeremypetro6991]

Well have fun being a pro Valorant player Jamppi lol.

[@yq7760]

LMFAO IMDED

[@awen4784]

lol

[@dvlx8453]

come back here when the kid wins the case

[@amzngsenpai]

Or siege?

[@Logan-su2yk]

shubham chaudhary There is no way he is taking them to court. He probably did it to get their attention and show how serious this is to him.

[@sontang5621]

360p gang where you at Nvm it's back to normal quality now.

[@Meidri9292]

why is this only 360p?

[@wistual]

yup

[@yowennalcachupas9559]

*laughs in 240p*

[@dixonyamada6969]

"to foster a fair game that all players will enjoy." then why is your anti-cheat so bad valve? why dont you force players to download an anti-cheat like faceit and esea? you can if you want to. I have NO idea why u just dont do that. it would almost instantly force a lot of cheating services out of business because they cant currently provide cheating services on faceit and esea. i swear half the playerbase is fuckin cheating and are getting away with it cos the report system sucks.

[@Ok4y94]

If valve would force us to dowload anticheats like the faceit anticheat, there would be a lot of critics. Because the only reason why faceit and esea anticheats are better than vac is, they are more invasive in your system. The anticheat pograms are like trojans.

[@-AnGeLuS-]

THIS! This is exactly what I was wondering when I read that line. Valve are just a bunch of arrogant pricks laughing their asses off because people are buying skins for over thousands of dollars. That's all. CS back in the day was a community thing, customizing your own servers etc. We can't even do that anymore. It's about the money, and the cheaters with money that keep spending said money. They just don't give a flying fuck.

[@3mKay]

and suffer a performance loss, get critics blaming Valve and Valve need to pay companies for those license ? which games are you playing that cheats ? havent met a CSGO and Dota ever throughout the years. Say what you will but if you cheat and got caught, VAC ban is fair. You can still use mods and cheat on private servers, but not Valve's hosted servers.

[@ExtrusionXDesigns]

u dont have prime? is ur trust factor low? it has been a year since i met any cheaters

[@swagboss]

If Valve claims that they concluded after investigation that the account was under Jamppi's control when it was banned (which it didn't have to be according to their policy), then doesn't that mean that they had some sort of proof that it wasn't actually his friend using it? I would imagine they could just pull up the IP logs for the account and it would be linked to him.

[@crippysteps6273]

0 tolerance for cheating... smh that’s why matchmaking is such a joke for new players tryna get into cs go

[@yashs9502]

When I played matchmaking in the start it was shit experience and it still is I don't play this game anymore

[@nopale6565]

Full of cheaters also 64 tick servers lmao. If you're new to fps, better wait for valorant. Except u want to waste your time on limited community servers

[@renss5801]

@@xJhPx not really, any MM u play has 50% chance of getting a cheater and u wont even know if he is cheating or not

[@renss5801]

@@xJhPx legit cheaters are evolving af i have 4k hours and sometimes i cant even differentiate legit and non legit, legit cheat can be very very minimum and almost non visible. So yea

[@renss5801]

@@xJhPx maybe ur region I'm currently DMG with a medium trust, i meet cheater on maybe 4/10 matches. Im on the SEA region which has much more cheater than NA EU

[@nukavictory9666]

Last time I was this early, Jamppi wasn’t banned

[@otakurt1149]

He needs proof it was his friend and not him, and with that the only foreseeable i can see him having is his friend's testimony in court

[@rikko_]

FlexHatred valve doesn’t log ips I think

[@Boxsteam]

by that logic, valve would need proof that the account is associated to Jampii, which they dont

[@pyrotricks1168]

@@Boxsteam Well they do. I'm on Jampii's side but the evidence is that his main account and the banned account are connected via the purchase of CS:GO with the same credit card

[@Boxsteam]

@@pyrotricks1168 that's not really sound logic though. If my mom bought me and my brother a copy of CsGo on our computers and my brother cheated and got banned, how does that make it fair that I'm also banned too?

[@Atari8888]

I bet ip addresses could help this situation out, ips or HID's(hardware identifications) could help determine whos pc the account was on

[@TheJoBlackos]

Let me give you another example of how dump this rule about the relationship between accounts is. I am 43 years old and almost 18 years ago I purchased my first Counter Strike, only few months before the release of the Source version. I was a big fan of the game, never played anything else, I also worked for a while for ESL Bulgaria as Admin and never used any of the hack in-game, it was common to start hack while reviewing video from a game, but for me, there is not fun in playing with hacks and I never used them in game. Fast forward 15 years, I have a wife and a kid. He likes the video games and his uncle buys him a copy of CS:Source as a birthday gift in order to let him play with us, my son was 12 years old at that point. I have setup the account and added my phone number in order to protect the account with the Steam Guard. He had no phone at that point so I had no other option but to use mine. Two years after, my son used some hacks with some of his friends and get his account banned, obviously I was the first one to let him know it was well deserved, but a day after I found out my account was also banned because it had the same phone number as the one my son had. I tried to explain the situation to Valve but quickly enough understood they are not interested on knowing if I was playing on the second account and for them the simple fact I own both account was enough, to which I just said that 15 years ago we actually bother to know if someone cheated before we ban them but seems like things are now different. So yeah, I can relate to this case, never played a Valve game since then and never will.

[@brodomagee7941]

"How do VAC bans relate to phone numbers? VAC bans are applied to all accounts sharing a phone number at the time of the infraction. For this (and many other) reasons we do not recommend sharing your phone number or using another user's phone number on your Steam account. Accounts sharing the phone number that do not own the game the VAC ban is for will still receive a VAC ban and will not be able to purchase the game moving forward. There are no restrictions placed on phone numbers that were on an account when the account was VAC banned; phone numbers can immediately be used on new accounts." So really its just a money thing for valve....

[@t_mmey]

if it's really his friend's fault i don't wanna be his friend atm LOL

[@Qira7beats]

5:26 this is completely incoherent.. it's like putting two diff arguments together and claiming cause and effect when it just isn't there.

[@hopps3206]

"No more CS:GO" that doesn't sound too bad to be completely honest.

[@woahflamingo]

fancy seeing you here

[@supertilapia]

Wait, the video has only one quality choice. It only has 360p

[@CitySwimmah]

That reselling of a game should not be a problem as it is against European law and if Steam wants to operate in Europe they must comply to the EU laws. Valves claims about a "subscription service" is also already rejected by the court. We'll see what they will do

[@PrismHeartOfficial]

I literally heard the word "Ok," in my head before even starting the videos lol someone please make a comp. of all their intros where they start with "okay"?

[@michaelbrockwell7979]

Was on a team with him a few years back, he was always a huge talent, it would be a shame if he was VACced

[@silvrIsley]

Didn't you watch the video? He is banned...

[@silvrIsley]

@VeR My comment doesn't make sense but I think I was confused as to why he said "It would be a shame if he was VACced".

[@Michael-de3ty]

well, what if I ask the question, what's worse 10 cheaters getting away with it or 1 innocent being banned?

[@ronildoshi5998]

michael Luo 1 innocent being banned

[@allentey6870]

10 cheater getting away with it in point of view for company. 1 innocent for commoner.

[@nopeyep2542]

10 Cheaters getting away and still 1 innocent ban

[@ddman27]

How shit of a anti cheat software does it have to be that 10 cheaters even get away

[@acex222]

with VAC 10 cheaters are still getting away with it

[@guilepro]

Can we please have a follow up video? I mean if there is a lawsuit you should be able to provide us with info about the actual outcome of the lawsuit !

[@codykeane6107]

Did he not bother to read the terms of service before spending money filing a lawsuit? It clearly states "you may not share or otherwise allow others to use your password or account" and "any use of the account is deemed made by you and you are responsible for it" and "valve is not responsible for the use of your password or account" and "you may not sell or otherwise transfer your account. Even with the family sharing option where you can share games across accounts if someone is VAC'd on your copy of the game you also get VAC'd for allowing it. There is no way in hell he wins the lawsuit, he's in way over his head.

[@Foxign_]

he be pulling a Clara card here.

[@ursucuak2906]

Lol, that reference

[@d4yzr3kt40]

Only the real ones know 😂

[@kujala1633]

@@d4yzr3kt40 wdym "only the real ones know" it was 2 years ago. Everyone knows that.

[@YoutubeModsAreSnowflake]

Damn it Clara

[@d4yzr3kt40]

@@kujala1633 imagine not getting the joke

[@7GamesUnlimited7]

Im really against this. If the guy is actually good why even care about an old acount that he had when he was 14. Just let him play the game.

[@Wunked]

You can't make an exception for one person, especially as how when he downloaded Steam, and bought CS, he agreed to Valves terms and conditions. Should've read closer, he breached the terms.

[@m4ch3te]

@@Wunked Well yeah, but remember, if he was cheating, he was 14. He was just a child toying with a game, on a level he didn't even know about. That's just stupid and outraging, that Valve is punishing Jamppi for something he did as a child. I repeat, as a CHILD. It's like punishing for life football prodigy for something he did as a child. It's sad that many people say that he should be banned. In bigger sports players receive less punishment for cheating (doping). If that happened to football player the whole world would crush FiFA for being unfair

[@Wunked]

@@m4ch3te they get suspended or banned from the games for doping. Also these are Valves terms and conditions, it doesn't matter what other companies or competitions do what

[@m4ch3te]

@@Wunked Yeah, they are supsended. ADULTS are getting supsended. In this case, a CHILD is getting a lifetime ban for something stupid he might not even done. I don't care about terms of service when they are just pure bullshit and need to change. I'm not saying that cheating is good, I hate it, BUT they should have disclaimer about the age and where somebody was cheating. It's really a difference when child wants to cheat to just have fun with friends, and when adult use cheats on tourmament to gain advantage over opponents. And I will repeat myself. ADULTS that earn millions get only supsended for some time, when they are cought cheating for the first time. It's esport not a fucking third reich.

[@uaintme6419]

@@Wunked find me one 12 year old who reads the fucking terms and conditions of everything they accept

[@SaintedPIacebo]

a 14 year old shouldnt be subject to a lifetime competitive ban, period.

[@spilledbeansrecords5685]

true

[@duncanbotchlet4902]

Even if he did cheat himself, the kids was 14-15 years old, like seriously just then he has started thinking for himself and theyre going to bar him forever? Shit, adults in clear mind rapes one person and theyd get less of a punishment ffs

[@RGD-Audio-Repairs]

if the accounts were purchased using his parents credit cards etc... Ownership proof is the receipt of purchase... They are legally his parents accounts, Not his... and being under 16-18 years old (depending on country), You cannot legally sign/commit to a legal document.. or in this case, Steam UELA... as its a licensing agreement, Which is classed as a legislation document... My girlfriend was pulled by police in a car that i had bought her, they were adament it was stolen and wanted to arrest her.. I spoke with the police myself and told them that the car is hers, the papers are in her name... i was told by a high ranked enflorcement officer "Name on papers is not a legal proof of ownership, the sale receipt for the purchase IS"... so i showed them the receipt and proof that i purchased it, and told them very clearly that she has permission to drive it, therefor, she hasnt stolen it, because she has permission from the legal owner.... Their hearts sank, because they were asshole police that really wanted the arrest... but failed miserably :)

[@yorzengaming]

No one: 360p Quality: Sue KZbin

[@lordgregy]

Wait forsaken was Vac banned? Wasn't he cought cheating on Lan...

[@eddief60]

well ESL banned him and so did optic

[@nevil6833]

He got 5 year banned sentence so bssically he only got 1 year left i think in order to play at esl

[@nevil6833]

@@PolskiYoshi it was basically ESIC's fault for allowing players for bringing their own setup :/

[@MrTrisomy21]

@@nevil6833 Lol what kind of logic is that? Its their fault he was a scumbag?

[@ignacioiglesis5593]

@Terraform Thats like saying... Men they let that robber bring his gun to the store... how the hell they want to not be robbed if nobody checks people at the door if they brought a gun. (With your argument you could defend anything from drugs in sports to almost anything o.o)

[@MajorStarHog]

Gets banned for using cheats when playing 1 on 1 vs. a friend. Oh my god, if that was my friend I'd be roasting him for life :)

[@JonasNeumann6]

Even if he is innocent, him being unbanned would become a precedence case for all people, who want their account unbanned. there are some banned accounts with 100k skin inventories out there that are just waiting for jamppis case to end with valve unbanning him. So for valve it is easier to keep him banned and not have to deal with 1000s of other banned players telling them a similar story as an excuse and demanding an unban

[@Advocatz]

What pisses me off is that Valve banned this innocent guy while possibly thousands of other cheater in-game doesn't even being taken seriously from Valve.

[@engiturtle65]

how is he inoccent?

[@Advocatz]

@@engiturtle65 don't you watch the whole video? He literally states that the account was technically his friend's and to that I think there's nothing wrong with him personally

[@engiturtle65]

@@Advocatz then how did HE get banned then? if the accounts are connected and one person cheat then both will get VAC, duh

[@Advocatz]

@@engiturtle65 yeah that's what Im trying to say. You can literally get banned from csgo if ur brother / anyone who's related to u cheats. I know valve says that they give "zero tolerance" against cheater, but if so then why am I still seeing blatant spinbotters in OW?

[@engiturtle65]

@@Advocatz thats how it is, noone of us can change that, just deal with it

[@realkilju]

"Installed cheats to beat friend in a 1v1 game" Lmfao, couldnt make up a better excuse?

[@femimark5021]

That's probably one of the most common reasons for cheating other than just ego boost

[@shahmeer32100]

I mean people actually dumb shit like that

[@retard6690]

I've done this, this is a valid excuse if true imo. The fact that you get vac banned from private games is kinda bullshit

[@Beep_Beeps]

That's how HvH servers work without banning everyone instantly. And yes I know there still is a chance of getting banned but my point is that you can run a private game with VAC disabled

[@retard6690]

@@Beep_Beeps I learned this too late, and i wasnt trying to make it obvious that i was cheating. It was all in good fun and now i'll be getting a vac ban in the next couple years.

[@RedBikelane]

Kill a person: around 10 years in prison Cheat as a 14 year old: "Sry kid you're banned for life kekekekek"

[@largepoodle6036]

Terrible comparison lol

[@LassiY]

Valves vac bans can really break dreams.

[@cjbeast1998]

The fact that a vac ban from when you're in middle school can change you're whole career boggles my mind. Kids do stupid stuff cuz they think it's cool/fun. Even if it were him having I say let him play, he was obviously much younger when this occured and realized it's not okay

[@kell3r271]

+1

[@cartridge9698]

i wonder if there Is a age restriction for that game in his country ? ... anyways the fact he can still play csgo online in competetive game modes on new accounts , but arent allowed to go Pro are stupid. Even if you do doping in sports like Football on high level or athletics on olympic you can continue your carrer , after some years of ban. The Fact that Valve provites Gambling (and violent content) to Kids is a mess too.

[@614BlueBerry]

The people saying "but can he prove to not be the one cheating etc" the parents bank statements are in the "proof" section of the lawsuit and it shows that they did indeed buy atleast 10 copies of the game withing a few minutes of each other. He also has statement from friends.

[@XVegeraX]

"I didn't hack when you caught me, my friend did who wasn't me, honest"🤣🤣🤣

[@ferdinandsijabat1647]

theScore esport can u make the rise and fall of happy from csgo. he win 2 major but 2016-present he is never talked by csgo player

[@blyzz2031]

People saying "He knew what he was doing" are so clueless. He was 14, I guarantee you he had no idea that he would ever have the chance to go pro, therefore he figured there isn't really a risk to it.

[@steviejrr]

oh he can just go murder someone at 14, oops he made a mistake because he got scared let him get away with it.

[@orbit2636]

@@steviejrr That's probably the worst analogy I've ever seen in my life, a vac ban isn't even close to murder

[@cdimitr0v]

@@steviejrr A) the punishment for murdering someone at age 14 is different than if you commit murder as an adult B) did you just compare murder to cheating in CSGO?

[@steviejrr]

@@cdimitr0v yes that's how u braindead kids think these days he knew it was wrong like an adult cheating would know oh this is obviously against the rules, yet he did it now he pays the price

[@romaliop]

@@steviejrr An under 15 year old cannot be criminally charged under Finnish law so yes, he'd basically get away with murder. Of course the social services would get involved and so on.

[@nyx211]

So, the guy gets caught hacking, blames an imaginary "friend", and now he's crying because he's being punished? Good! Fuck hackers.

[@mmokoz]

Let me get this straight. Allegedly he had a friend who cheated on an account 5 years ago at a lan party. Since he's the one that made the account and bought the game he gets banned for it? Then on his new account that has no vac bans, no records of cheating, and a potential pro csgo career is stopped short by this. This seems kind of suspicious. Valve needs to drop this ban, even if he was the one hacking. I guarantee most kids at 14 years old or younger were loading up some form of cheats in games.

[@MrVilburi]

First of all, by creating an account and purchasing games off Steam, you have accepted the terms and conditions, which clearly states what cheating will result in. Valve is a business afterall and they have the right to choose their customers. You are on thin ice if you're trying to battle against the T&S. Second of all, the point in the video which stated that Jamppi wasn't cheating himself, but sold the account to a friend who then hacked without Jamppis knowledge is wrong. Here in Finland (not sure about elsewhere), a sale is NOT a proof of ownership change. So therefore, having sold that account to his friend, he still legally owned that account. I'm sure that Jamppi and his layers etc are aware of all these things, but what I'm seeing here is underdog trying to fight a massive corporation with a very thin chance of actually getting what they are looking for. Though I'm genuinely interested to see what happens, this might even chance Valves policies on VAC's for the future.

[@spilledbeansrecords5685]

Is there proof that HE bought it? Was it his parents? WHO owned it? 14 year old kids rarely have credit cards.

[@ohnosmoarlulcatz]

You shouldn't be sharing your account in the first place. You might have a better chance if it was one of those massive ban sweeps that some games do once in a while and don't care how wide of a net they cast. Destiny 2's super wide one was ironically what killed the game at launch on the PC.

[@nitthewizard6991]

Kevin Li here is a watermelon 🍉

[@BirjolaxewsChannel]

It wasn't really account sharing though. The account was always intended to belong to the friend. The only reason Jamppi is involved with the account is that he was the one who had a credit card (y'know, since they were 14 and all). I've bought games for friends plenty of times over the years - if my boss approaches me at some point and fires me because someone I bought a game for ended up cheating, I'll be pretty pissed.

[@TheGraveyarder]

it doesnt seem like account sharing for this case but more like he bought separate steam accounts for his friends to play csgo with but it was under the same name because of the credit card they used to buy the game

[@ViewsOverMillion]

"Being Vac banned in csgo is like a death sentence to a player"

[@brother7238]

Yeah its like you couldnt make new account in 5 minutes and not even pay for the game

[@blackwod9576]

'pro' player... the 'pro' in there is verry important

[@Solitide]

It's always a friend or a long lost cousin

[@ynk69]

Wait but doesnt the EULA says that owner of an account is not allowed to share his account in the first place?

[@paradoxinraindrops141]

If this is totally one hundred, then I hope he can prove his case & earn clemency because if not it’ll be just another talent crushed under the heel of Valves overkill that’ll turn them away to another game.

[@narru6425]

Not really talent crushed since there's other FPS anyway unless this kid's talent only works in CSGO.

[@paradoxinraindrops141]

@@narru6425 And if another game picks him up & he pops off there, it's all at Valve's loss if he telling truth that this actually was his friends doing on a copy of the game he gifted him. In a way, that's shooting the messenger. And if he can prove this then it should be on Valve to allow him to compete.

[@Anarcaeful]

I think this kid is going to lose this legal battle, when you purchase a game you agree to t&cs and if you entrusted that to another person, it's the owners duty to make sure that they participate with the t&cs. This kid should be suing his friend rather than valve. Valve are protecting the community

[@tavianarmstrong974]

@Reginald Holt they say that very thing on steam dude.

[@Anarcaeful]

@Reginald Holt the only reason this guy is suing valve is because their the ones with any money. Valve didn't do anything wrong to ban him, he can't prove his friend had used the account and even if he could, it's up to him to make sure they behave with the correct conduct. The claim is redundant and he's going to lose.

[@thisisbunnygaming8921]

So... Magically he decides its easier to enter his card and pin on 3 4 5 different computers rather then on his own 1 time and send csgo as gifts to all? Kinda not buying that

[@anthrax3404]

Actually, it would be easier as you could just pass around the credit card and each person enters it.

[@bigbuttfarmpants1319]

back in the day you couldnt add friends or play with them until you spent like 5$

[@Masheen]

The same people who introduced the R8 are the same people in the hands of pro players bans.

[@najoog]

Actually no

[@RizzyWow]

Even if Jamppi cheated, he was 14 - it's silly to punish someone that harshly at that age. He should win this case quite easily, the European courts will eat Vavle for trying to punish Jammpi for something he did as a 14-year-old.

[@robf4512]

Win this case? LMAO. Playing is a privilege, not a right. Actions have consequences, and hes learning that the hard way.

[@RizzyWow]

Rob F You’re acting like a 14 year old would understand that. The European courts will embarrass American courts once again and prove how backwards your system really is.

[@mikkoruuska2018]

Imagine being that friend of Jamppi who cheated and ruined his career.

[@chrhadden]

and you ended up stealing his gf who you are happily married to with kids

[@grolg4793]

Really unfair. What 14 y/o kid would ever think himself being a pro in 4 years. He was just a kid having fun with his friends. GIVE HIM A SECOND CHANCE!

[@revisedcandy4295]

nah bruh

[@allentey6870]

Yo i am 14 year old and getting a vac ban. But i have aspiration to go pro in next 4 year. I am global elite and have sick clip. Can i have the account unban valve? If jamppi can, so do i !

[@grolg4793]

allen tey ok good for you

[@Pomfer_]

Ahhh, the old "it wasn't me, was my little brother/cousin/friend" excuse. Glad to see people still using this time tested gem.

[@aarorantanen3317]

Look at the lawsuit he filed. It proves 100% of his story

[@Fremmy]

@@aarorantanen3317 it really doesn't. It's circumstantial at best that it proves his friend cheated on the account. No hard proof.

[@aarorantanen3317]

@@Fremmy Well he did prove that nobody has logged into that account from his home ip + the only ip found was his friends.

[@NyanLama459]

I believe him, my first account is banned because I accidentally left a half-life 1 script open and played CS:S. Valve could at least provide access to information on the details of VAC bans so it can be argued on a case by case basis. I didn't even play a round with the "hacks" open before I was banned.

[@KTSamurai1]

i feel like there should be elevated levels of account restriction for players who are trying to reform so that they can at least attempt to re-integrate into a community without being hard locked out of it. in situations like this, even if he was the cheater himself, he was basically a kid when it happened and deserves at least 1 chance to redeem himself, play clean, and endure the scrutiny he'd be under in a professional org. i guess the problem there is what would consitute a "elevated levels of restriction". in an extreme case, you could agree to have VAC scan more of your computer, or perhaps something as simple as much quicker, harsher punishments the second time around could be enough to let a player keep their nose clean while they play. i wonder what kinds of things you could do to mark an account as a previous offender so that repeat offences lead to quicker action?

[@sergiofiliks8142]

Gj valve. Matchmaking full of cheater and you focus on 1 innocent guy

[@Ultra289]

So when a non pro player does the same mistake as this Guy nobody wants to remove his ban,but when someone IS pro, suddenly all ppl are like uhhh this is unfair All ppl should be treated in the same way to be fair... His account,his responsability.period

[@chiranthgowda8386]

dude he was 14!!!

[@awen4784]

@@chiranthgowda8386 who care there is alot of 14 years old cheating not getting unbanned

[@y4playiny4self]

@@chiranthgowda8386 Old enough to go to jail...

[@existentiallamp]

Awen478 Most other 14 year olds don’t go on to become professional players

[@getawayfromme44]

He didnt cheat, so he shouldnt have been banned. Random guys also get banned falsy, and they shouldnt be banned either. Its not ok when anyone is false banned.

[@natebattista3552]

Switch to Valorant Jamppi! A super similar game, a fresh account - it's his time to shine.

[@nesstar1]

yo

[@natebattista3552]

@@nesstar1 yo

[@CatOfSchroedinger]

What many people seem to forget is the fact that the Bosman verdict changed UEFA and FIFA regulations as well as conduct. IF Valve plays this wrong - as they seem to do - they will not only have a Jappi verdict to worry about as this escalates to EU courts, it will also trigger an investigation by the EU Commission. (After all, they lost a court battle against consumer protection in Australia, didn't they ?) This again will finally end up in huge fines against the major corporations as well as a plethora of regulations. As the regulative power of the EU is unsurpassed on a global market scale this does not bode well for anyone. Does any gamer want the EU to regulate his game ? Does any of the product managers of companies like Valve/Steam, Wargaming, EA etc. (to name a few from different countries) want new regulations to threaten their business models or retroactively punish them with epic fines (oh, I forgot Epic) ? My plea to Valve and others is: self-regulate fairly and in unison or be regulated and make this lawsuit go away or face the grueling consequences. There is too much money involved by now and too many kids affected by this industry. If there is blood in the water politicians will jump at the chance to be seen as effective, protective and tough. So, Valve. You got 2 billion $ in revenues ? Great. That will be 500% in punitive damages then (taken from typical GDPR and transport logistics fines). Thank you. (Sorry for being so alarmist but I really hope someone finally reads this.)

[@Harley147]

Valve: You live in my house, you are at my place. So you must follow my rules

[@robf4512]

Exactly. Using steam or playing one of valves games' is a privilege. He or someone he trusted violated that agreement, and now he has to pay the price. TLDR actions have consequences. Welcome to the real world kid.

[@fr4me.01]

@@robf4512 Yep. Exactly.

[@lasfierbinticraciun]

Kid: does something good for once Valve: banned

[@ReijinKage]

Forsaken legendary huh, India represent 😂💯

[@Louis-qr8cf]

So, where is he now, does he still play csgo

[@ReijinKage]

@@Louis-qr8cf he kinda disappeared man. He had a instagram page but it was obviously put on private and had very less uploads. I mean if the only thing you are known for is cheating and that too at such a big stage, I am pretty sure you will also hide from everything.

[@willisbronze9984]

@@Louis-qr8cf he got banned for 5 years , prob just go to college and find a normal job, his cs go career is technically over

[@Louis-qr8cf]

@@willisbronze9984 yes, i'm just curious bro about pro cs next life after get VAC ban. Example: kqly next life is to be a luxury car rental and sometimes he stream. I'm just curious man haha

[@Louis-qr8cf]

@@ReijinKage ya, thats feel like want to kill myself hehe

[@natew4724]

Poor kid. All he wants to do is hack but VAC is stopping him /s

[@spilledbeansrecords5685]

you never did stupid shit when you were 14?

[@djayt]

you guys didn't even mention the main point of jamppi's lawsuit. the reason why he made it is because valve stopped listening and he wants his voice to be heard. he said this on his stream. he thinks maybe this will finally make valve do something

[@saltylemonz258]

They want valve to pay 290k$ for damages when they jump over the TOS fence in the first place. Kewk

[@mikaelryynanen17]

Well the TOS wouldn't have stopped Jamppi from signing with OG. If he would have signed with them he would have had a monthly salary of 11k which in a 2 year contract makes about the sum that he is suing Valve for. The salary is confirmed by some OG players I believe. He honestly would have possibly made even more money than that from tournaments. And btw going to court isn't the point of this case. They are just trying to get Valve's attention with this and hopefully get to contact with them and try to remove the VAC ban from Jamppi's name so he can compete at the highest level.

[@fml718]

Imagine what jamppi thinks about his friend who got vac

[@guyfawkes8873]

I'm so happy that most of the people in these comments are in no way affiliated with the actual justice system. What a shocking lack of empathy...

[@robf4512]

Empathy? wait...you believed his bullshit story? LMAO. Actions have consequences, hes learning that the hard way

[@6thsense464]

Its always "a friend" that cheated.

[@F3llinger]

Actually I have a vacbanned smurf which I had lend to a "friend". Never gonna do that again

[@juanguilhermearaneda]

That's basically the story of v$m, a brazilian player who was vac banned with 14 years and now it's probably the best brazilian pro player for joining in a great team, but he can't

[@VNTRFilms]

Like mentioned below, Valve is stretching out the "rule" way too far. If he wasn't a pro back then, sure go ahead and play. I call big bullshit if someone here claims that NO OTHER pro players has ever cheated in a source game or any game for that matter. Maybe not recently but before going pro. And if this "Major ban" isnt in the ToS, its a clear case. Besides, the finnish consumer protection act is something Valve cant disregard. A young kid isnt mature enough to understand what he or she is doing and therefore this act by Valve is unreasonable.

[@danielfailed3692]

he has no proof it was "his friend" cheating, hell if I had the chance to go pro I'd blame my friend also lmao

[@ArceusMinion]

unfortunately, he won't be un banned, I have yet to find out why I was banned on MW3 5 years ago, I played on Valve secured servers, never used any third party cheat software, and never lost my anger at anyone in game. Now my email I used to use for steam was closed back in 2012, so maybe they thought it was a bot account and since that was my most played game at the time, they must have thought I was cheating there. Using some method they could not see. It has been 2710 days (at the time of writing this.) since the ban and even after changing to a registered email and verifying it within 200 days, I have yet to be un banned, I can't prove my innocence, and I get kicked from nearly every game where they check my profile. Thankfully, I'm now 19, and to their credit, they had me at 1000 days believing I deserved it, I don't know why but I surely did, I mean, when has a massive corporation ever made a mistake right? I'm the cheating scum that should die in a fire. if any churches still do that let me know in a reply please. I find it funny today, because Valve's shoot first ask questions later policy is one I am so used to after playing Dayz, and I can see why they're biased. Yet if I take the same approach with them, I am still the bad guy. So let me take a breath and calm down. This kid, who has an esport team behind him, money for a lawyer, and the know how to go about it, won't be in the pro scene. Because valve is so headstrong and prideful in VAC, that I don't see anyone thinking he can win. Maybe without the financial claim they might have a better chance, as valve literally just clicks their mouse a few times and boom that's it. They're not losing anything financially so, while they won't learn, the kid might get to live his dream. And people, really think, if you get a vac ban and you don't know it until you try to play that game. That ruins all esport opportunities you may have had. Let's say JW get's one tomorrow for using the r8 and the overwatchers think he's walling. Valve will have to abide by it and say "Sorry JW, even though you made us millions in sticker sales, We have to abide by our policy. Best of luck." And FNATIC have to let him go. No smurf account, no making a new account. He's just gone, we know he didn't cheat. He's played in enough majors to have been detected. But the newer CS:GO players will have the same responses we are having now to Jamppi. When did it suddenly become "Guilty until proven innocent"? Something this career damaging, 1: you should know about it at least, maybe a heads up display on steam saying "SORRY CHEATER SCUM" or something where it flashes "VAC" behind the text or something. 2: There should be some sort of communal hearing, at least an appeal process. Again, if JW got banned, we'd rally behind him because we know he wasn't cheating. And hell, there are people reviewing cheats on youtube, You just have to look. I found one channel, Lucky. To my knowledge the accounts he used in those demonstrations are not banned, he doesn't blur the name in the kill feed, and he gets away with it. Valve will never change, they will always shoot first and ask questions later because who's gonna stop them? Who really can compete with them? not Blizzard, they might be close with Cod games but they just don't make the same financial profits as valve does. Also to anyone wondering, I was born in 2000, 04, 30. So, I was 15, and if they won't do it on a small account where it would not hurt their reputation at all, they won't do it for something major. They are setting an example. Now, if Anyone wants to "Talk with a Vac ban account holder" I am willing to discuss my situation. Though it makes little sense why anyone would want to do that. I am after all, cheater scum that needs to burn in hell for eternity. Isn't that right valve?

[@flatbushzombiejuice]

In my eyes its very simple: you are in any way associated with any cheating activities? Get banned. I dont get how people think there is ok and not ok cheating. like, he installed cheats to beat a friend in a 1v1? Fine, you choose to cheat and therefore you dont deserve anything less than a ban. 0 tolerance on cheaters and people related to cheaters, period.

[@deusvult7344]

Yikes. I would never cheat in a ranked or even in a normal game but man. I love love to tilt my friends in an 1v1 cuz it's fun.

[@Tatox3Skyblock]

Yes what you said is true. If thats the case then the friend should get banned not the pro.

[@privatprivat7279]

i have the same issue.... i play americas army proving ground(free first person shooter) i also play cs go and have acces to 4/5 accounts from friends to play cs go on because i am LEM on my main and i rank them up for them so we can play together. i have one school friend that hes an account with a vac ban from like 16 years ago from an older CS version(i dont even know what i only play cs go) BUT her comes the thing......to play americas army u need to first log on to ur steam account and then open it and also saperated login to americas army... one day (after i played some cs go on hes account) i wanted to play some americas army. so instead of login out off my friends account and logg on to mine i just opened my americas army and logged in TRUE hes account..... so thats what made my Americas army account LINKED to this vac banned steam account....and it will never be remove, so i am now being punished for what my friend did all these years ago now in 2020.... and i never cheated in my life simply because i play on hes account a DIFFRENT GAME .