sum of Riemann zeta(s)-1

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The Riemann Zeta function is very similar to the p-series that we learn in calculus 2. And I think this is a great introduction to the Riemann Zeta function for calculus 2 students. Some of its special values are the sum of 1/n^2 which is pi^2/6, sum of 1/n^3 is called the Apery's constant, sum of 1/n^4 is pi^4/90 • Sum of 1/n^4 (Fourier ... . We will find the series of zeta(s)-1 and it turns out to be a double summation problem. See here for another example of changing the order of a double summation: • Changing Order of a D... . We will end up with a geometric series and then a telescoping series! Note, the limit of zeta(s) as s goes to infinity is tricky. Be sure to do it carefully.
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@jeeaile5835
@jeeaile5835 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video 😉
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the nice problem. I actually have not thought about it before.
@MathSolvingChannel
@MathSolvingChannel 2 жыл бұрын
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@beautyofmathematics3399
@beautyofmathematics3399 2 жыл бұрын
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@numberandfacts6174
@numberandfacts6174 2 жыл бұрын
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@tusharjawane9056
@tusharjawane9056 2 жыл бұрын
I have known this series as a higher mathematics problems but as soon as you switched the order of summation I got goosebumps just seeing how easily it can be solved
@MichaelPennMath
@MichaelPennMath 2 жыл бұрын
Nice shirt! We should do a t-shirt trade....
@sonkim6876
@sonkim6876 2 жыл бұрын
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@MathSolvingChannel
@MathSolvingChannel 2 жыл бұрын
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@MultiCarlio
@MultiCarlio 2 жыл бұрын
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@rickdoesmath3945 2 жыл бұрын
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@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
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@GoogleAccount-if6pu
@GoogleAccount-if6pu 2 жыл бұрын
I have a quick question about the non-trivial zeros of the Riemann Zeta Function...
@BizVlogs
@BizVlogs 2 жыл бұрын
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@kjl3080
@kjl3080 2 жыл бұрын
I’m just gonna assume it’s always 1/2 + iC
@aoughlissouhil8877
@aoughlissouhil8877 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@matthewbertrand4139
@matthewbertrand4139 2 жыл бұрын
you're kidding, that's nuts dude. i love this. one of my favorite things is when a problem produces a completely nonintuitive result that you really have to dig to understand.
@johandittmer8902
@johandittmer8902 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the effort you put into making all these videos. I've started to really like maths in general thanks to you :)
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
I am glad to hear. Thank you.
@AliKhanMaths
@AliKhanMaths 2 жыл бұрын
What an interesting video, very well explained! Videos like these inspire me to share my own maths content!
@siddhantkumarroy1917
@siddhantkumarroy1917 2 жыл бұрын
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@michaelempeigne3519
@michaelempeigne3519 2 жыл бұрын
switching order of summation is a discrete version of fubini's theorem
@dudono1744
@dudono1744 2 жыл бұрын
what is fubini theorem? does it allow switching integrals?
@michaelempeigne3519
@michaelempeigne3519 2 жыл бұрын
@@dudono1744 with some conditions.
@e1lg537
@e1lg537 2 жыл бұрын
Its more interesting to get 1 actually... Since most infinite series are oscillatory in nature... To take a random infinite series and end up with a whole number is much more fascinating.
@MaximQuantum
@MaximQuantum 2 жыл бұрын
Me who only just learnt derivatives of trigonometric functions: *Ah yes, a fun video for me!*
@rosiekan6308
@rosiekan6308 2 жыл бұрын
started watching your videos a few years ago. I love it, but I am just also surprised that you still exist on youtube. Did not realize that this many people actually like to watch someone talking about college math.
@Chess-ks8lk
@Chess-ks8lk 2 жыл бұрын
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@yakov9ify
@yakov9ify 2 жыл бұрын
It's actually much easier for the last part to use the sum convergence test, since you just proved that the sum of zeta(s) - 1 converges that must mean the limit of individual terms goes to 0 and so zeta(s) goes to 1.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
True!
@dudono1744
@dudono1744 2 жыл бұрын
seems easier to just notice that 1/n^infinity is 0 for n>= 2
@yakov9ify
@yakov9ify 2 жыл бұрын
@@dudono1744 Swapping that limit with the sum require some justification, that justification is actually equivalent to the sum argument.
@funkmaster39
@funkmaster39 2 жыл бұрын
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@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
😆 thanks!!
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@user-wu8yq1rb9t
@user-wu8yq1rb9t 2 жыл бұрын
Finally! Thank you so much
@pacome_f
@pacome_f 2 жыл бұрын
this is truly amazing
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@AnakinSkywalker-zq6lm
@AnakinSkywalker-zq6lm 2 жыл бұрын
Such a good explanation I didn’t need calc 2 to understand
@duckyoutube6318
@duckyoutube6318 20 күн бұрын
This comment should have more likes.
@ethannguyen2754
@ethannguyen2754 2 жыл бұрын
Finally, an approximation for 1
@Videogamewrestling22
@Videogamewrestling22 2 жыл бұрын
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@edoardoferretti5493
@edoardoferretti5493 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful piece of math
@FisicoNuclearCuantico
@FisicoNuclearCuantico 2 жыл бұрын
You did a good job.
@Jaajsuke1
@Jaajsuke1 2 жыл бұрын
This video pops into my recommendations just after I learn how to solve the exact same thing for my tomorrow's test !
@koenth2359
@koenth2359 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful!
@explainingphysicsandmathematic
@explainingphysicsandmathematic 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video...👍☺️
@julianociaramello2150
@julianociaramello2150 Жыл бұрын
I tutor math. Have an honors precalc student that got this exact question (without mention of the Reimann zeta function) on a worksheet. I recognized it as the infinite sum of zetas immediately, and I'm thinking "how the heck is this kid, who JUST got introduced to sequences and series supposed to do this!? I'm not even sure how to do this!" Thing is, it was presented as zeta(2)-1 expanded on one line, then zeta(3)-1 expanded on the second line, etc... and, if you add VERTICALLY, the first term of zeta(2)-1 = 1/4, the first term of zeta(3)-1 = 1/8, the first term of zeta(4)-1 = 1/16... THEY'RE INFINITE GEOMETRIC SEQUENCES! Each of which we can take the sum of using good ole (1-r)^-1 So, yeah, solved it that way, as an nice alternative that doesn't require you to know anything about the Reimann zeta function.
@hacker5483
@hacker5483 Жыл бұрын
I have discovered same thing with the sum but with Euclid's series not by these substitutions and that was kind of interesting too!!!
@duckyoutube6318
@duckyoutube6318 20 күн бұрын
Equal to 1.... my god, its been a while since my mind has been blown that hard.
@User-gt1lu
@User-gt1lu 2 жыл бұрын
You can also try this for just even values of s in the Riemann Zeta function. And if you have done this, you can just subtract the value from 1 and you get the sum for odd values of s. I have done this in the past, try it, its really worth it!! (Btw: Michael Penn also did some great videos about sums of the zeta function using generating functions)
@laxminarayanbhandari855
@laxminarayanbhandari855 2 жыл бұрын
What exactly do you mean by your first paragraph?
@User-gt1lu
@User-gt1lu 2 жыл бұрын
@@laxminarayanbhandari855 I mean first you sum zeta(2)-1+zeta(4)-1+zeta(6)-1… and then you take the value (S) this sum converges to and calculate 1-S and then what you get is zeta(3)-1+zeta(5)-1+zeta(7)-1…
@laxminarayanbhandari855
@laxminarayanbhandari855 2 жыл бұрын
@@User-gt1lu according to Wolfram Alpha, the second sum is divergent. I checked till 300 terms, but the sum doesn't go above 1/4, which is expected value according to your method. Don't know what is going on.
@ryugakishatu6372
@ryugakishatu6372 2 жыл бұрын
I saw Penn’s videos about generating functions, he even used that method for some trivial proofs. That guy is awesome
@MichaelPennMath
@MichaelPennMath 2 жыл бұрын
The Riemann zeta function videos I made are still some of my favorites!
@yashprajapati8857
@yashprajapati8857 2 жыл бұрын
This is amazingly cool! Also what would be the product of the zeta function of all the integers from 2?? :)
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a cool question! I just checked on WFA and got about 2.29. Not sure how to get that tho.
@laxminarayanbhandari855
@laxminarayanbhandari855 2 жыл бұрын
Well, I checked on MSE. No closed form exists. The product can only be approximated.
@dudono1744
@dudono1744 2 жыл бұрын
so it's a whole new constant ?
@canaanie
@canaanie Жыл бұрын
Pretty cool !!!
@bubunsaha4120
@bubunsaha4120 2 жыл бұрын
Nice sir ...
@babajani3569
@babajani3569 2 жыл бұрын
Do you think that you could perhaps do a STEP 3 question in the near future. They are quite more fun than the STEP 2 that you attempted earlier. It is fine if you have other plans through.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
Check out J Pi math. He’s done a few STEP problems on his channel.
@babajani3569
@babajani3569 2 жыл бұрын
@@blackpenredpen thank you.
@mcNakno
@mcNakno 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome.
@qweasd5761
@qweasd5761 2 жыл бұрын
Hello! I was messing around in Wolfram Alpha with the harmonic series, but instead of the usual sum from n=1 to inf 1/n, I decided to plug in i, the imaginary unit into the numerator, and see what would happen if I played around with it. The series which I wanted to share with you is the following: sum from n=1 to inf (i)^((n+k)*pi/2)/(n). o if k=0, it converges; o if |k|>=1, it diverges; o if 0
@Dreamprism
@Dreamprism 2 жыл бұрын
6:36 I don't see the thing about switching order of summation in the description.
@neilgerace355
@neilgerace355 2 жыл бұрын
1:50 "Don't go yet" hahaha
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
😆
@pranavjoshi9372
@pranavjoshi9372 2 жыл бұрын
Please upload some tricks of integration and different forms of integration 🙏🙏
@youssefaly7067
@youssefaly7067 2 жыл бұрын
So cool
@jarikosonen4079
@jarikosonen4079 2 жыл бұрын
Is the infinity then multiple of pi? Looks like cool, but can't see what it means.
@Mathematician6124
@Mathematician6124 2 жыл бұрын
Sir please solve my doubt. Is w(x. lnx) =ln(x)? Here w is inverse of x.e^x. Lambert function
@sabinrawr
@sabinrawr 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a bit curious to know why, in the last step (before the ad break) the 2 was inserted in one denominator but not the other?
@darbyl3872
@darbyl3872 2 жыл бұрын
yes, I too
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@deancoleman3294 2 жыл бұрын
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@donwald3436
@donwald3436 2 жыл бұрын
@blackpenredpen Your channel name used to have your birthdate in it, right? I thought you looked familiar.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
No. I never put my bday in my channel name before. This channel has always been “blackpenredpen”
@gregoired.4660
@gregoired.4660 2 жыл бұрын
Maaaaaan this result is huge :OO
@dudono1744
@dudono1744 2 жыл бұрын
1 is a small number
@NonTwinBrothers
@NonTwinBrothers 2 жыл бұрын
Daamn just 1, that's so cool lol
@RSLT
@RSLT Жыл бұрын
Very Cooooooooooooooooooooool!
@itsME-dc4vm
@itsME-dc4vm 2 жыл бұрын
Nice ;D
@JesusDC22
@JesusDC22 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, cool question but I did not get satisfy with the answer
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@jeewekanayake7133 2 жыл бұрын
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@the_nuwarrior
@the_nuwarrior 2 жыл бұрын
the values of zeta on N\{1} is just a partition of 1 ,cool
@Timeflow_X
@Timeflow_X 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if it would be possible to do this kind of thing but instead of a series of zeta functions it would be a product, since z(∞)=1 it might converge
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
It does conv as I checked on Wolframalpha. Not sure how tho.
@Timeflow_X
@Timeflow_X 2 жыл бұрын
@@blackpenredpen I remember somewhere that a product converges iff the sum of the logs of the terms converges, maybe there's something there
@user-wu8yq1rb9t
@user-wu8yq1rb9t 2 жыл бұрын
What about the odd numbers?! Is it possible, if I subtract the upper limit (I mean when s approaches to the infinity ♾️) and even numbers to obtain the odd numbers? (it means: 1 - Zeta(even)= Zeta(odd) )
@laxminarayanbhandari855
@laxminarayanbhandari855 2 жыл бұрын
Nope. It doesn't work like that.
@user-wu8yq1rb9t
@user-wu8yq1rb9t 2 жыл бұрын
@@laxminarayanbhandari855 Thank you for your attention. But why?
@laxminarayanbhandari855
@laxminarayanbhandari855 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-wu8yq1rb9t they are two totally different sums. Try writing zeta(even) and zeta(odd) in their summation form and then expanding them like here: ζ(2)=1/1^2+1/2^2+1/3^2.......... You will automatically realise why I am saying this.
@user-wu8yq1rb9t
@user-wu8yq1rb9t 2 жыл бұрын
@@laxminarayanbhandari855 Maybe the infinity involved odd numbers too. But if I consider the infinity as odd+even, we can subtract
@user-wu8yq1rb9t
@user-wu8yq1rb9t 2 жыл бұрын
@@laxminarayanbhandari855 I'll try it Thank you so much
@steve2817
@steve2817 2 жыл бұрын
Sum in the Thumbnail starts at k=1 but the calculation is k=2!!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
Just fixed. Thanks.
@kjl3080
@kjl3080 2 жыл бұрын
Dude 2!! = 2
@jacobperreault6844
@jacobperreault6844 2 жыл бұрын
I have precalc and that’s it, but ima still watch the video
@shitluna50kgonedogegogogo87
@shitluna50kgonedogegogogo87 Жыл бұрын
function zeta(n){ let zeta=0 for(let i=1 ; i
@omardiaz6255
@omardiaz6255 2 жыл бұрын
Do you know something about the news of the proof of the Riemann Hypothesis? As a phycisist it just go beyond me . Not my major
@guidotoschi7284
@guidotoschi7284 2 жыл бұрын
Do you realize that, having shown that the series whose general term is z(s)-1 converges, you have also proven, as a byproduct, that z(s)-1 tends to zero for s tending to infinity (the necessary condition for convergence) and therefore z(s) tends to 1 in the same limit for s?
@BizVlogs
@BizVlogs 2 жыл бұрын
Yes because 2:47
@238SAMIxD
@238SAMIxD 2 жыл бұрын
6:46 actually it should be "n is bigger than 1" i suppose
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@johns.8246
@johns.8246 2 жыл бұрын
Kind of a boring answer. What would the corresponding alternating series be equal to?
@Mr.plunder
@Mr.plunder Ай бұрын
My stupid ass trying to solve the Riemann hypothesis it is not solvable
@itzani8051
@itzani8051 2 жыл бұрын
I want you teach algebra now, especially probability and permutations
@cbbuntz
@cbbuntz 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of these constants show up in the polygamma functions and after some expermination, I just realized the relationship, and it kind of makes sense because you can calculate finite sums of a harmonic series with the digamma function ψn(1) = ζ(n) Γ(n+1) where ψn is the nth polygamma function The missing constant at n = 1 is the euler mascheroni constant
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@lilyyy411 2 жыл бұрын
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@hmlawdavid2003
@hmlawdavid2003 2 жыл бұрын
Teacher: what is the sum of (zeta(n) -1) from n=2 to infinity? Student: I don't know. Let me guess a number. Shall I start at 1? Teacher: ...
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
Hahaha!
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@mdyasirabrarrupak1386 2 жыл бұрын
Sir, would you please give me a pdf of the total syllabus ofCalculus 1 and calculus 2
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@laxminarayanbhandari855 2 жыл бұрын
Depends on the school. You can get a rough idea from a Google search.
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@shenal8167 2 жыл бұрын
I need to√-a! When (a) is positive integer
@shalinithakur4906
@shalinithakur4906 2 жыл бұрын
Understand nothing But still like it 👍👍
@RSLT
@RSLT Жыл бұрын
13:19 quick note: The inequality is true for s ∈ ℝ . For complex number it's not always true.
@willsayswords3451
@willsayswords3451 2 жыл бұрын
“You just need calculus 2 to understand this video” well shit
@vaibhavcm7503
@vaibhavcm7503 2 жыл бұрын
Lol, I answered that question in quora a few weeks ago.
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@generalezaknenou 2 жыл бұрын
why that painting ? i mean "the scream"
@heldertvillegasjaramillo6343
@heldertvillegasjaramillo6343 2 жыл бұрын
I have a question, when you use the geometric series you use the 1/1-r formula that is derived when the series goes from 0 to infinity, but this starts at 2 ¿How's that not a mistake? Thanks for your attention
@yakov9ify
@yakov9ify 2 жыл бұрын
He uses a slightly modified version, in general as long as the sum is infinite and geometric with ratio r the formula 'a/(1-r)' works where 'a' is the first term in the series. This formula works for any indexing which can be easily shown. The reason we can have such a formula is that starting from a different index in a geometric series is equivalent to multiplying every term by a constant.
@jagatiello6900
@jagatiello6900 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed, by reindexing the sum with s=s'+2 then s' starts from 0 and the exponent becomes (s'+2) so you get (1/n)^s'.(1/n)^2. The latter factor is a constant (independent of s') in the numerator.
@juansalvador5946
@juansalvador5946 2 жыл бұрын
Good tutor bro... Make it more deep as close as Chinese students levels...
@samudramitra4900
@samudramitra4900 2 жыл бұрын
When u realize his channel's name is black"PEN"red"PEN" but he uses red and black "MARKERS"...XD
@mastershooter64
@mastershooter64 2 жыл бұрын
now do zeta(-1) ;)
@dudono1744
@dudono1744 2 жыл бұрын
you mean sum of zeta (s) from -1 to - infinity?
@willie333b
@willie333b Жыл бұрын
Telescoping is tricky
@jamirimaj6880
@jamirimaj6880 2 жыл бұрын
How about an infinite series of an infinite series of an infinite series... infinite number of times?!?! o.o
@avikgoswami649
@avikgoswami649 2 жыл бұрын
His beard is the reason
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@anirbanmallick8502 2 жыл бұрын
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@godmaxspeedpot1502 2 жыл бұрын
鬍子越來越長了
@michaelempeigne3519
@michaelempeigne3519 2 жыл бұрын
zeta ( 3 ) = apery's constant
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@Videogamewrestling22 2 жыл бұрын
I FIND CALCULUS INTERESTING
@ritabratasaha4530
@ritabratasaha4530 2 жыл бұрын
So did you get the answer of Reimann hypothesis?? If yes then I guess you will get 1 million dollars for the 7 millenium problems. Pls reply 🙏🙏
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@Marketmasters02 2 жыл бұрын
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@shahjahonsaidmurodov
@shahjahonsaidmurodov Жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for the message, One question: Should they blame the teacher if they fail the exam? Interested for advice
@user-tn4qe9ne9j
@user-tn4qe9ne9j 2 жыл бұрын
We want you to prove, Papa Riemann was true!
@slender1892
@slender1892 2 жыл бұрын
Ok, now *solve for all complex zeros that have a real part of 1/2*
@dudono1744
@dudono1744 2 жыл бұрын
the sum is 0 bruh
@soulsilencer1864
@soulsilencer1864 2 жыл бұрын
challenge: zeta(i)
@laxminarayanbhandari855
@laxminarayanbhandari855 2 жыл бұрын
Well, no closed form exists, due to the fact that no closed form exists for Gamma(s+it), t≠0.
@corentinchabanol9256
@corentinchabanol9256 2 жыл бұрын
Please stop inverting sigmas without telling a word as if it was okay. I know you will not check fubini theorem each time vecause it is boring but just tell a little word that you can do this because we have a friendly sequence
@chessematics
@chessematics 2 жыл бұрын
So in this entire video, you are assuming that s∈ℝ
@vitalsbat2310
@vitalsbat2310 2 жыл бұрын
how can we make n=0? n=0! lol
@cycklist
@cycklist 2 жыл бұрын
Just to let you know mate, when you say things like 'calculus 2', that is largely meaningless to most of the world, being an American concept. What does it mean? Perhaps you could be more inclusive to everyone else - just a suggestion, love everything you do.
@imfriedchicken
@imfriedchicken 2 жыл бұрын
Prove : trillion of a root 2 = million of 5 times of 7 I think only aliens can solve this question...
@Ric4562
@Ric4562 2 жыл бұрын
9:20 - 9:50 wat
@Ric4562
@Ric4562 2 жыл бұрын
​@@eduardvalentin830 ok its clear now
@trueriver1950
@trueriver1950 2 жыл бұрын
All that work for zero
One of my favorite identities.
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